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View Rob Moore Profile
CPC (NB)
Welcome, everybody, to the Standing Committee on Canadian Heritage.
Pursuant to the order of reference of Wednesday, May 29, 2013, on Bill C-49, an act to amend the Museums Act in order to establish the Canadian Museum of History and to make consequential amendments to other acts, we are now doing the clause-by-clause of Bill C-49.
We have with us two individuals from the Department of Canadian Heritage. From the heritage group, we have with us Cynthia White-Thornley, executive director, and Judith Marsh, senior policy analyst. They are here for our questions, if we have any, but they won't be making a presentation. They're here only if they're needed for some clarification.
As you all know, when we go through clause-by-clause, we usually skip the first clause, which is the short title, and we move that to the end.
In front of you, you should have Bill C-49, as well as a package of amendments. Does everybody have the package of amendments?
An hon. member: Yes.
The Chair: I'm going to very briefly go over two amendments. As you know, we passed a motion inviting members who do not have a party represented at committee to put forward some amendments. Ms. May and Mr. Plamondon are here on behalf of their respective parties, which have put forward some amendments.
As for the way this is going to work, those amendments, pursuant to the motion we passed, are deemed to have been moved, so no one has to move the amendment. I am going to allow that Ms. May or Mr. Plamondon can speak for a minute to their amendment, and then we will deal with the amendments they have put forward. But I'm going to be pretty strict to the one-minute mark, because we do have a busy agenda today.
So I'm going to go directly—
View Elizabeth May Profile
GP (BC)
Mr. Chair, if I may have the floor for a moment...?
View Rob Moore Profile
CPC (NB)
Sorry, Ms. May, maybe real quickly. Do you have a question?
View Elizabeth May Profile
GP (BC)
I just want to put on the record that while I appreciate your invitation, it wasn't my idea. I've been kept to a strict one minute. I'm not allowed to ask questions of the witnesses and I'm not allowed to defend my own amendment. It's an inadequate procedure. I just want it on the record.
View Rob Moore Profile
CPC (NB)
Okay. I won't take that out of your minute for your amendment either, so now you have that plus a minute.
(On clause 2)
The Chair: We're going to go directly to clause 2. There is a Liberal amendment. On amendment Liberal-1, suffice it to say that if this amendment passes, a number of amendments will, by consequence, be dropped. Also, if it is defeated, a number of amendments will drop because there are several amendments that are identical or nearly identical to Liberal-1.
On amendment Liberal-1, Mr. Simms.
View Scott Simms Profile
Lib. (NL)
Yes, I agree. I think this is going to be lumped in with a lot of these, as you can see, with the vast majority of them. It came from witness testimony from the former president—I think that was his title—Mr. Rabinovitch. Basically, it says that it should be called the ”Canadian Museum of History and Civilization”, as opposed to just the “Canadian Museum of History”.
Now, in going through this, as we've pointed out, a lot of amendments have to be made just by this title change alone, so I'm assuming—it's been a while since we've done this here in the heritage committee—that you're going to lump this in with others and that a lot of these amendments will be taken care of in one vote.
View Rob Moore Profile
CPC (NB)
I'm sorry, Mr. Simms. If amendment Liberal-1 is defeated, that means the following amendments will be defeated: NDP-1, BQ-2, Liberal-2, NDP-2, Liberal-3, Liberal-4, NDP-3, BQ-5, Liberal-6, NDP-6, BQ-7, Liberal-7.... There's a bunch of them, because they all deal with the name change, so if this is defeated, all those dealing with the name change will also be defeated.
View Scott Simms Profile
Lib. (NL)
Well, I think all I can say is this. The fact is that Mr. Rabinovitch brought compelling evidence that the Museum of Civilization does carry with it a great reputation, one that is far-reaching around the globe. It's a tremendous title, “Museum of Civilization”, and it has been regarded by other institutions around the world as something that has a great reputation. Therefore, I think it's only logical that it be called the Canadian Museum of History and Civilization.
View Rob Moore Profile
CPC (NB)
Thank you, Mr. Simms.
Mr. Cash.
View Andrew Cash Profile
NDP (ON)
View Andrew Cash Profile
2013-06-10 15:57
Thank you, Mr. Chair. As you know, we've tabled a similar motion. I think it's worth noting that we spent quite a long time studying Canada's 150th birthday. In that long study, we never heard a single witness come forward to suggest or to promote this idea. The government decided to set aside the witness testimony during the Canada 150th study, pursue its own agenda, and then call witnesses. They could do the right thing, and it would be incumbent upon them to do so, because they've sort of done this process backwards. They should listen to some of the witness testimony and respond to it accordingly.
That's why it is important to pass this motion, not just because it's a good idea but because it's part of the democratic process. We invite witnesses in. We want to hear their expert opinions on these things. One reason the NDP has opposed this from the beginning is that the process has been completely backwards on this. This is an opportunity not to right the entire process but at least to indicate to Canadians that we're interested in the democratic process here at this committee. On behalf of my colleagues, I say we'll be supporting this.
View Rob Moore Profile
CPC (NB)
Thank you, Mr. Cash.
Madam Boutin-Sweet.
View Marjolaine Boutin-Sweet Profile
NDP (QC)
Thank you, Mr. Chair.
At the end of clause 8, it says “... people and objects that reflect and have shaped Canada's history and identity, and also to enhance their awareness of world history and cultures”.
History and anthropology are not the same thing. At the moment, the museum is a museum of history and anthropology. However, if we keep the word “history” only, we lose the anthropological dimension. This clause shows a willingness to continue to cover the history of other peoples. As a result, I think it would be important to keep the word “civilization” in the name of the museum, alongside the word “history”.
View Rob Moore Profile
CPC (NB)
Thank you.
Those in favour of Liberal amendment 1 on page 1?
(Amendment negatived)
The Chair: I'm not going to list all the amendments that impacts. If you want, I can do that, but as we work our way through, that will become evident.
Next up is amendment BQ-3 on page 6.
Mr. Plamondon, do you want to take a minute to speak to amendment BQ-3?
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