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Committee Evidence - SECU-42
2014-12-01
Daryl Kramp - 16:11
CPC (AB)
Hon. Diane Ablonczy (Calgary—Nose Hill)
2014-12-01 16:11
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If Mr. Garrison would agree with me, then there's no problem.
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Randall Garrison - 16:11
John Carmichael - 16:12
CPC (AB)
Hon. Diane Ablonczy (Calgary—Nose Hill)
2014-12-01 16:13
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We talk about what we're familiar with.
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John Carmichael - 16:13
Daryl Kramp - 16:16
CPC (AB)
Hon. Diane Ablonczy (Calgary—Nose Hill)
2014-12-01 16:16
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I hate to keep talking—actually I don't—but remember I am also speaking instead of Mr. Norlock in some cases. My observation is this: there's already a mechanism in the bill for a human source to instigate the disclosure of his or her own identity. Why would this amendment be necessary? The human source can already say they want to be identified. I don't know why they'd want to, but they can bring in a friend of the court or some other lawyer to do that. When the source can already do it themselves and can hire a lawyer if he or she wants to do that—and being a lawyer I'm sure he would want to do that—I don't see why this amendment is necessary.
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C-44, An Act to amend the Canadian Secur ...
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Daryl Kramp - 16:17
CPC (AB)
Hon. Diane Ablonczy (Calgary—Nose Hill)
2014-12-01 16:17
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I was looking for an argument from Wayne.
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Hon. Wayne Easter - 16:17
Daryl Kramp - 16:21
CPC (AB)
Hon. Diane Ablonczy (Calgary—Nose Hill)
2014-12-01 16:21
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I shouldn't keep doing this. I would just say only if you could clone the director.
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Daryl Kramp - 16:21
Ted Falk - 16:21
CPC (AB)
Hon. Diane Ablonczy (Calgary—Nose Hill)
2014-12-01 16:22
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[Inaudible—Editor] Are we on NDP-7?
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Daryl Kramp - 16:22
Daryl Kramp - 16:23
CPC (AB)
Hon. Diane Ablonczy (Calgary—Nose Hill)
2014-12-01 16:23
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If you have to get the director's signature on every single warrant application, do you know how many there might be?
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Randall Garrison - 16:24
CPC (AB)
Hon. Diane Ablonczy (Calgary—Nose Hill)
2014-12-01 16:24
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I just don't think that's at all reasonable. He could be a very busy person.
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Daryl Kramp - 16:24
Daryl Kramp - 16:24
CPC (AB)
Hon. Diane Ablonczy (Calgary—Nose Hill)
2014-12-01 16:24
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That's not what it says, is it?
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Daryl Kramp - 16:25
CPC (AB)
Hon. Diane Ablonczy (Calgary—Nose Hill)
2014-12-01 16:25
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Randall, if I got this correctly, it specifies that only the director may make an application for a warrant.
Am I wrong? I'd hate to think I was wrong twice in a row.
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Randall Garrison - 16:25
CPC (AB)
Hon. Diane Ablonczy (Calgary—Nose Hill)
2014-12-01 16:26
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Does the director have to make all these applications himself?
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Randall Garrison - 16:26
CPC (AB)
Hon. Diane Ablonczy (Calgary—Nose Hill)
2014-12-01 16:26
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Okay, but aren't you saying “the Director...may...after having obtained”? It says the director is the guy or the gal who has to do this.
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Randall Garrison - 16:26
Daryl Kramp - 16:41
CPC (AB)
Hon. Diane Ablonczy (Calgary—Nose Hill)
2014-12-01 16:41
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I thought the whole point of this bill, or at least one of the points, was to clarify a question that the Federal Court raised about this, because the Federal Court basically.... I'm trying to find the decision. Maybe other people know. The Federal Court basically said that it was not sure if it could issue warrants for CSIS activities overseas, which I think we all agree are necessary because security risks are highly mobile.
The court said that it was just not sure if it had the jurisdiction to do that, so I thought the whole point of the bill was to clarify that, yes indeed, it has jurisdiction to authorize our intelligence services to pursue sources in other countries. Also, some of these countries may not share Canadian values and Canadian human rights norms, so we're saying that it's our law, which I think we all agree is probably the gold standard in protecting people and in being concerned about rights, that will be the operative law.
If we pass this amendment, we would be obviating one of the key points of having the bill to begin with, which is to clarify for the courts what their jurisdiction is in issuing warrants.
Am I wrong about that?
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Hon. Wayne Easter - 16:43
Daryl Kramp - 16:47
CPC (AB)
Hon. Diane Ablonczy (Calgary—Nose Hill)
2014-12-01 16:47
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I will make three points. One is that just because no other country has done it doesn't mean we can't. Two, I don't think any of us truly believes that no other country conducts security operations in other countries in possible contravention of their laws. We're just going to be more honest about it, so good for us, I would say. Three, there will be countries that would never want Canadian security agents operating in their territory and would be quite happy, if this amendment passed, to pass a law saying no Canadian or no foreign intelligence agencies can go in there, and then our courts' hands would be tied. If there's such a provision in any country—and terrorist producing countries would have a lot of incentive to put that in place—then we have to stop at their border. How does this help keep Canadians safe?
I don't think it's a very practical amendment. I don't think it serves a useful purpose.
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Daryl Kramp - 16:49
Daryl Kramp - 16:50
CPC (AB)
Hon. Diane Ablonczy (Calgary—Nose Hill)
2014-12-01 16:50
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Yes, you do, because if a warrant can't be given and if there's a law in another country that says foreign intelligence operatives can't come into that country, then we're contravening their law. Why would we tie the hands of our intelligence people that way?
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Hon. Wayne Easter - 16:51
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