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2015-06-16 11:25
Thank you very much, Mr. Chair.
Good morning, Gord. It's Ryan here.
First, thank you very much for getting up so early to join us. I know what the time zones are like. Everybody on the west coast who appears before this committee has to get up early, but as they say, “The early bird gets the worm.” Hopefully we've set your path right for the day, so when you're out of here you can go fishing.
Would it surprise you to know that in 2010 there was a report from Environment Yukon, “Status of Yukon Fisheries 2010: An overview of the state of Yukon fisheries and the health of fish stocks, with special reference to fisheries management programs”, which puts the recreational fisheries industry in the Yukon at a $23 million a year benefit and contributor to Yukon's tourism?
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CPC (YT)
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2015-06-16 11:26
I imagine it would be up now because I think there's been some growth in the fisheries between 2010 and 2014.
You say, and I agree with you, that we need to do a bit more to maximize that recreational fisheries opportunity.
Do you have any ideas or suggestions where the federal government in particular could play a role in exposing the value of recreational fisheries, not just in Canada but particularly in the Yukon, to see a bit of that $23 million economic boost actually grow?
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CPC (YT)
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2015-06-16 11:28
More national engagement in recreational fishing opportunities, trying to get Canadians more engaged....
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CPC (YT)
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2015-06-16 11:28
I appreciate that.
We went through the budgets not too long ago, and the federal government has a role to play in supporting the Yukon Salmon Sub-Committee. I know we've increased the financial resources to them.
We don't enjoy a tremendous recreational fishery opportunity because of the state of Yukon River salmon right now. That's obviously a particular concern to all Yukoners. Would you share with the committee the role that the Yukon Fish and Game Association plays in terms of its stocking program, both from a numbers point of view—how many salmon you release in Wolf Creek and other tributaries—and what the Yukon Fish and Game Association does in terms of engaging Yukon people and youth in that release program, to the benefit of Yukon River salmon?
Are there any other challenges or issues you might want to highlight that would be good for the committee to know about our Yukon River salmon, and recreational fishing opportunities for them?
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CPC (YT)
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2015-06-16 11:31
You mentioned a little bit earlier, in your opening remarks, non-native species. I know we don't allow live bait fishing in the Yukon. Is there a concern right now about aquatic invasive species? There's been some growth of that with changes in weather and the distribution of people. Is the Yukon facing any particular challenge of aquatic invasive species coming in?
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CPC (YT)
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2015-06-16 11:32
Fair enough.
The Yukon Fish and Game Association has representation on the hunter-angler advisory panel. Just generally speaking, how's the participation been on that panel, and how is its efficacy so far?
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CPC (YT)
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2015-06-16 11:33
Super.
Do you know how many members you have currently at the Yukon Fish and Game Association?
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CPC (YT)
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2015-06-16 11:33
Wow. Again, percentage-wise, there are 37,000 people in the territory, as you mentioned, so 900 members is an excellent proportional representation of the Yukon's population. In terms of angling licences sold, those are pretty impressive numbers.
The money from fishing licences sold in the Yukon goes into general revenue and not into particular fisheries conservation, is that right?
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CPC (YT)
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2015-06-16 11:34
You mentioned that you don't know the particular budget of the Yukon government with respect to dedicated resources for fishing and recreational fisheries. That would all be administered by which department?
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CPC (YT)
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2015-06-16 11:34
Okay, and you have a fairly close relationship at the fish and game association with the technicians, directors, and conservation officers as well.
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CPC (YT)
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2015-06-16 11:35
Thanks for that.
You and I have talked in the past about the recreational fisheries conservation partnerships program and just the challenges in stacking the provincial dollars, federal dollars, and other program dollars. There's been a recent change to it that allows for the stacking of those funds. I'm just wondering if you've been able to take advantage of that program at all at this point.
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CPC (YT)
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2015-06-16 11:36
Thank you for your time this morning, Gord.
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CPC (YT)
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2015-06-04 12:56
Thank you, Mr. Chair.
Thank you to all of our witnesses today.
Part of the purpose of our study is to expose some of the things that I think all of you gentlemen have clearly articulated today, which is a clear understanding on the part of the fishing community, outfitters, and organizations like yours that not only have the knowledge about what's going on in the fisheries ecosystems, but also invest your time and your financial resources, your volunteerism, and technical expertise into vibrant and healthy fish stocks.
On that point, thank you and congratulations. I hope there is some measure of success for all of us in undertaking this study, us, and that Canadians more generally will understand and appreciate the value of your organizations.
My first question will be for Mr. Lévesque and Mr. Bouchard. You noted, and if I've written this correctly, the damage of pleasure crafts to the river mouth and the reduction of currents leading to an increase in cyanobacteria in the area and, as you just mentioned, some of the migration of yellow perch. You also spoke a fair bit about the cormorant populations and a cull in that respect.
I see some overlap here between provincial responsibilities and federal support. I'm wondering if you can talk most specifically about some solutions around how to deal with the pleasure craft issue and the other things that lead to an increase in cyanobacteria. In other words, what solutions would you propose that would fall under the federal mandate to assist with improving the water pollution conditions in Lac Saint-Louis or Lac Saint-Pierre?
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CPC (YT)
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2015-06-04 13:00
Thank you.
Mr. Plourde, you were mentioning a number of outfitters and you described non-exclusive and exclusive outfits—non-exclusive operating on crown lands, and exclusive ranging in size.
Could you expand on the typical regions in which these exclusive and non-exclusive businesses operate in the province, and maybe on what the typical demographic of the community they support would look like? Are they small or medium-sized communities? How important are these businesses to the vibrant nature of those communities?
Additionally, if you know, what size are the supporting industries, such as tackle shops, hotels, gas stations, and the baitfish market, and how important are those to the communities and indeed the entire province of Quebec?
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CPC (YT)
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2015-06-02 16:22
Indeed, thank you, Ms. Charlton.
Thank you to our guests today. I was actually pretty interested in some of the questions one of my colleagues asked around your efficiencies and GHG reduction plans. You were very well prepared for that question, so congratulations on those initiatives. I think they're great.
We've talked a lot about program and service delivery. I think you would agree that a lot of the programs you're doing are wonderful, but we're nowhere without our employees at times, are we? I see here that you have a seemingly relatively small number of $0.3 million related to the employee benefits plan. I'm just wondering if you could expand a little bit on what that investment is for and what it will do.
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CPC (YT)
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2015-06-02 16:23
Perfect.
Going back to the targeted geoscience initiative, you note on page 11 of your speaking points that there are 730 publicly available documents and that there were over 500 scientific presentations at conferences, workshops, and events. You note specifically that it is helping industry in the development and planning of their exploration activities. Perhaps I'll give you an opportunity to expand on that a little bit.
I'm also curious; when you're doing 500 scientific presentations and producing 730 documents, I would assume that within those presentations, within those documents, there is community uptake in this as well. We spend a lot of time talking about community consultation when we discuss responsible resource development plans. That includes our aboriginal communities' participation.
How broadly were those presentations available? Were they centralized in a particular part of Canada, or were they vastly used across Canada? What level, that you know of, did engage community uptake and not just industry uptake on these presentations?
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CPC (YT)
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2015-06-02 11:39
Thank you, Mr. Chair, and thank you to both our witnesses.
Mr. Fordham, I'm the member of Parliament for Yukon, about as far west from Newfoundland and Labrador as you can possibly get in this country, so forgive me for not being completely familiar with the regulations you deal with. I'll ask some questions around that just so that I and other members of the committee might have a full appreciation of some of the specific provincial and federal legislation that you work with.
Before I ask that, I was just wondering how many members of the Federation of Hunters and Anglers there are in Newfoundland and Labrador.
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CPC (YT)
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2015-06-02 11:41
Fair enough. I know groups and organizations like yours are very important. As you say, a small group can be mighty in their sweat equity contributions and their personal financial investments. We've heard that from a number of witnesses right across the country, that even small groups can make a significant contribution to fisheries.
I know you spend a lot of time speaking about groundfisheries, which are clearly important for you. I'm wondering from a recreational point of view, are there any inland freshwater fisheries in your province that people pursue with species other than salmon in the ocean and the groundfisheries?
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CPC (YT)
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2015-06-02 11:42
Has your group had any opportunity, or do you know of any group in your province, that has had the ability to utilize the recreational fisheries conservation partnerships program that our government introduced a couple of years ago? It's on the inland side.
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CPC (YT)
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2015-06-02 11:43
Great. Would you happen to know the number of annual licences sold in the province for the recreational piece, the inland fisheries? Do those licence sales just go into general provincial revenues, or is there any direct allocation back into the enhancement of inland fisheries conservation? I guess that would be a provincial decision, but we're just curious.
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CPC (YT)
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2015-06-02 11:45
That's a fair point.
When you were talking about the recreational food fisheries portion and about extended seasons and total allowable catch, does that total allowable catch and the season extensions and the licensing apply relatively equally to non-resident and resident anglers, or is there a difference between the two? I know there's a non-resident licence, and I would assume there's a different licence fee for that, but are non-residents subject to the same catch and possession limits as residents?
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CPC (YT)
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2015-06-02 11:46
How about for groundfish?
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CPC (YT)
View Ryan Leef Profile
2015-06-02 11:47
That's a fair point. Thank you.
So I have a handle on the differentiation between catch and possession limits, if you catch and possess your allocation and you hit five a day and then there's a certain period you're allowed to have them in your possession, once you bring those fish back to your home and they are in your freezer, or salted, or processed in one way or another, is that still in your possession limit, or does that eliminate your possession and you could have more? How does that work in your province?
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CPC (YT)
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2015-06-02 11:48
Correct, yes.
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CPC (YT)
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2015-06-02 11:49
It did, thank you.
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CPC (YT)
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2015-05-12 15:59
Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
Thank you to all of you, for your presentations today.
Ms. Berube, you mentioned the construction change in the national building code, the six-storey change. That's obviously going to generate construction growth, as you mentioned. Is that the ceiling or is that just the starting point?
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CPC (YT)
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2015-05-12 16:01
That's perfect.
Mr. Archambault, is this the kind of R and D you would be involved in, as well, construction above...?
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CPC (YT)
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2015-05-12 16:02
That's super.
You heard Mr. Innes' comments about the sustainable forest. Do you have any role to play? I think it was an important comment that he made that Canadians need to know that the end product has a sustainable supply and that there is some advocacy or some reasonable support of that. What kind of work do you do to educate Canadians on that, and how confident are you on that?
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CPC (YT)
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2015-05-12 16:03
I don't have tons of time, but maybe if I could just touch on each one of you starting in this order and ending with Mr. Innes. Could you each just comment on what role the federal government can play if we are to have world-class sustainability? What role can the federal government play in helping to get that message out and to educate the consumer, both domestically and internationally, that Canada's forests are well sustained?
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CPC (YT)
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2015-05-12 16:05
Definitely. Thank you.
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CPC (YT)
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2015-05-12 17:18
Thank you, Mr. Chair.
Thank you very much for your testimony. In respect to the spruce budworm, you mentioned the federal government could be involved in helping to combat the epidemic in that respect. I'm just wondering—
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CPC (YT)
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2015-05-12 17:19
Perfect.
Is there another opportunity as well with the forest resources that have been affected by the spruce budworm? I'm thinking of the pulp and paper biomass, anything like that.
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CPC (YT)
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2015-05-12 17:20
Merci.
It would seem that utilization is good so that we don't have the continued and dead standing forest where the spruce budworm can continue to go. At the same time we find some sort of economic opportunity for those communities in respect to biomass. If the federal government were involved with the provincial government in combatting it specifically, what efforts would you recommended or take? Would it be a fire smart program, or would it be some other sort of biochemical solution to this?
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CPC (YT)
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2015-05-12 11:50
Thank you, Chair.
Thank you for your presentation, Mr. Baril.
You mentioned in your opening remarks the memberships and the major economic impact of angling. You briefly touched on the highly populated areas in Quebec. I think what we tend to hear, and what we often assume, is that angling is very much a rural Canadian activity.
I would like you to have an opportunity to expand a little more on your comments about how important the economic value is to highly populated regions of your province and perhaps what the demographics of your membership look like in terms of city-based people participating in angling and outdoor pursuits and activities.
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CPC (YT)
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2015-05-12 11:54
Thank you.
You also mentioned that there's a projected future decline in the angling population. I think you were alluding to the fact that education is very important to make sure we don't lose a generation of people on the streams who can be our stewards of the land, observe the conservation efforts that are needed, prevent poaching. If you had a recommendation...?
How important is it, and what suggestion would you have, for provincial and federal governments to partner with associations like yours to improve and expand upon the necessary education to make sure we don't see a decline in the very important stewards we have out there on our lakes and rivers?
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CPC (YT)
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2015-05-12 11:56
Thank you.
You've been at this business a long time and have been a major part of this. Do you recall a time in your past when provincial and federal governments have put so much attention on outdoor and angling pursuits with hunting and angling advisory panels? How important do you feel this is, that you and groups like your association have an opportunity to present your position to the federal government?
Is it just nice to have, or is it, in your mind, an essential opportunity for hunting and angling communities?
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CPC (YT)
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2015-05-12 11:58
Thank you.
You have a biology background. I'm just wondering what threats there are from your point of view in the province of Quebec or anywhere else in Canada that we need to be aware of from a biological perspective, and what opportunities we have. What benefits are we seeing from the point of view of biology that will allow growth in recreational angling opportunities in Canada?
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CPC (YT)
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2015-05-12 11:59
Do you see any specific threat to fish species or habitat right now that the federal government needs to focus on, and are there biological benefits that we could maximize?
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CPC (YT)
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2015-05-12 12:01
Thank you.
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CPC (YT)
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2015-05-07 17:13
Thank you very much, Mr. Chair.
Thank you all.
Some of the testimony was interesting. It was pretty technical and very different from what we've heard in this study so far. It's going to be an excellent addition to what we've already heard.
I'm just wondering if I could ask a question of each of you, if we have the time to go through it. It's perhaps a bit of a pie-in-the-sky question, but maybe you'll be succinct. What do you see Canada having right now that no other country has that we can build on? I don't mean to restrict that to the raw resource itself, but include innovation, skills, human resources, diversity, political action, volumes of product, policies, or legislation. You can run the gamut if you want. Where does Canada stand in terms of the one thing nobody else in the world has?
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CPC (YT)
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2015-05-07 17:15
Thank you.
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CPC (YT)
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2015-05-07 17:16
Thank you.
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CPC (YT)
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2015-05-07 17:17
Thank you.
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CPC (YT)
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2015-05-07 11:58
Great.
Thank you to both of our witnesses for appearing today. We've certainly heard a lot of similar comments from many of our witnesses in terms of the dollars invested by conservation groups, angling groups in particular, back into stream and fisheries restoration and habitat. It was interesting, actually, to hear some commentary that was I think new in terms of the value or potential challenges with hatcheries being the default go-to. So that certainly was important for us to hear. It's great to have a little bit different input into this study as we start to move forward now.
I'm going to ask you both, in terms of very specific recommendations, if you had your choice of one or two that you would make to this committee to move forward, what would they be? I say that in light of the one realization that a good portion of fisheries management falls in the hands of provincial governments. Is there anything specific we can do to partner up with our provincial counterparts so as not to step on their toes in terms of that inland fisheries piece? It is the same with wildlife: we have a certain federal role, but always it seems to be provincially dominated.
If both had an opportunity, or had a specific recommendation for the committee, what would those be as we go forward?
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CPC (YT)
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2015-05-07 12:02
Thank you.
Go ahead, Mr. Melnik.
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CPC (YT)
View Ryan Leef Profile
2015-05-07 12:03
Thank you. You both made very good points.
What do you see as the largest challenge facing fisheries in Canada today?
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CPC (YT)
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2015-05-07 12:05
That's a good point.
Go ahead, Mr. Melnik.
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CPC (YT)
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2015-05-07 12:06
That's excellent.
Mr. Chair, how much time do I have left?
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CPC (YT)
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2015-05-07 12:06
Good. I still have a bit of time.
Thank you both for those points. It's interesting when we look at the numbers. Some of us have known them for a long time. They're staggering in terms of both GDP contribution and participation hours, and then, of course, the subsequent conservation benefits that come from angling groups and organizations.
It's interesting, though. Maybe you have some insight into why this would be the case; I know you've touched on the marketing piece a little bit. You can go into most shops and see fishing poles. You see them in Canadian Tire and in sports stores; and fishing is well branded in magazines. But when we speak with fishing groups, which we do a lot of, and we tell them that more Canadians fish than play golf and hockey combined, even anglers are stunned by these metrics.
Is it just so overt that we take it for granted? Or what are we missing in terms of even angling groups not understanding the impact they themselves have on all these fields?
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CPC (YT)
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2015-05-07 12:08
Thank you both.
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CPC (YT)
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2015-05-05 11:22
Mr. Crabbe, thank you, and welcome to committee today.
I appreciate your observations on the recreational fisheries conservation partnership fund. Initially it was a little more of a challenge to access it, largely because, as you mentioned, the stacking of the partner dollars from any other level of government would exclude you from taking advantage of that. Of course, members of the Conservative Hunting and Angling Caucus and members coming from the Hunting and Angling Advisory Panel heard the comment about that being a limitation to the recreational fisheries fund, and that has been changed now. So groups like yours can share provincial dollars as well as that federal funding and can stack it in order to maximize your use of that program.
Of course, you did say you made those changes to the way you've aligned it. But just so you know, those changes have been made, and indeed you can stack those provincial dollars with the recreational fisheries program now.
As I mentioned, in part it did come from the Hunting and Angling Advisory Panel, and I'm just wondering whether Saskatchewan Wildlife Federation has representation on the Hunting and Angling Advisory Panel.
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CPC (YT)
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2015-05-05 11:24
How has that been so far in terms of representing angling interests and recreational fishing? Obviously there are going to be some learning curves along the way, but as a starting point, how beneficial has that been to exposing your federation's concerns?
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CPC (YT)
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2015-05-05 11:25
In your opening remarks you mentioned a little bit about what recreational fishing brings to Canadian quality of life. We often talk about its contribution to conservation, and we try our best to celebrate the great work that people in the outdoors, particularly with angling and hunting pursuits, do for conservation.
The one thing that does get overlooked a little bit, I think—and I'll invite you to comment—is its contribution to the community, and what recreational angling opportunities provide for community growth, family growth, and positive and healthy engagement for youth in the community. Do you have any specific examples of how you engage youth? Also, what is your own personal position on the value of outdoor pursuits to healthy and prosperous communities?
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CPC (YT)
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2015-05-05 11:27
Thank you for that. It's an interesting program and an interesting program name.
There is a focus on outdoor pursuits now, when you consider the hunting and angling advisory panel, the recreational fisheries partnership fund that's now going to total $50 million in just a handful of years, this study on recreational fishing by the parliamentary committee, the one going on currently in the environment committee on the value of hunting to conservation, and MP Norlock successfully introducing a private member's bill enacting a national day respecting hunting and trapping and heritage culture. I've been involved in hunting, angling, trapping, and outdoor pursuits my entire life as well, and I don't ever recall a time when a government has focused so much on outdoor pursuits.
I have a twofold question. Do you recall a time when the federal government has been as actively involved in celebrating and promoting and supporting hunting, angling, trapping, and outdoor pursuits in the past? Two, largely because we align these things as provincial responsibilities—most often wildlife management, wildlife laws, wildlife investment, conservation investment come at the provincial level—do you think it's just nice to have the federal government paying attention to this? Is it something we need to have, or do you believe it's essential that the federal government be involved in the way it is in this kind of discussion now?
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CPC (YT)
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2015-05-05 11:30
In your licence sale program, which is probably much like some of the other provinces I have experience with, you have 250,000 anglers, including all licences, not just licence sales. I guess what I'm driving at is that you offer free licences for children under a particular age and for seniors over another age, but this 250,000 encapsulates all of them as well.
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CPC (YT)
View Ryan Leef Profile
2015-05-05 11:30
So the percentage of anglers in the population is fairly significant.
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CPC (YT)
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2015-05-05 11:30
In terms of your local communities, I know you mentioned about $400 million in economic growth in Saskatchewan from angling pursuits, if I've got the number right. Does that number include direct and indirect economic return?
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CPC (YT)
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2015-05-05 11:31
So that includes hotels and fuel purchases and weekend stays in communities and meals and travel.
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CPC (YT)
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2015-05-05 11:31
Excellent. You mentioned you've got a lot of lakes in Saskatchewan and that you've got a couple of neighbouring provinces that have equal opportunities in terms of outdoor pursuits. Does your federation get involved much in promoting or marketing Saskatchewan as a destination point for recreational fishing opportunities?
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CPC (YT)
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2015-05-05 11:33
Thank you for your time.
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CPC (YT)
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2015-05-05 9:02
Thank you, Mr. Chair.
I appreciate what Mr. Easter is proposing, but on the one hand they're opposing a bill based on what they continue to purport to Canadians is free and clear access of firearms in the country. We've heard over and over again from our witnesses about how some of the questions they've put are completely misleading.
This isn't about provincial fairness in any respect. The constituents in Yukon who want to transport their firearms out of Yukon to anywhere other than Alaska need to get the appropriate licences to enter British Columbia and then take it to a point of entry in British Columbia. If they want to exit the country through a point of entry in Alberta, they would need one from the Province of B.C. and then the Province of Alberta in order to get it out of the country and into the United States that way.
There is no owned advantage by any province in this bill. It's not putting any other province at a disadvantage by having to get licences to do interprovincial transport, save for the piece where you happen to be living on a particular point of entry with a particular state in the United States. So in that vein I could argue that Yukoners don't have the same access to the United States or the same rights as Ontarians, because they can enter different states in the U.S.
I think if we start using that line of argument for interprovincial transport for equal and unfettered access to all points of entry in the United States, what we would run into is a lot of cross-country mobility and some very confusing amendments and additions to firearms paperwork that would only increase the burden and the red tape that we're trying to avoid in the first place.
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CPC (YT)
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2015-05-05 9:30
Thank you, Mr. Chair.
Thank you, Mr. Easter, for recognizing that the gun community involves hunting and angling. It was obviously a little disheartening for all of us to watch in the House members on your side chastise and criticize our government for entertaining a study on the value of hunting and conservation in the environment committee.
Outside of that point, I think we continue to put on the public record here things that simply aren't true. It needs to be clarified that when we're looking at what the minister can do now in terms of classification, the minister and cabinet can always move a classification of firearms in one direction, and what we heard in clear testimony was that they couldn't do it in any other way.
We talk about special interest groups and their influence. There are special interest groups that want to ban guns in this country. When you can classify a firearm in one direction and not another, that would leave any government, present or future, in the sights of one particular special interest group interested in banning firearms in this country.
Outside of that, we did hear clearly from the Canadian Shooting Sports Association and other witnesses that those decisions ultimately would be made on the basis of technical advice, not by a group of politicians sitting in a room and making their best guess at the specs of any given firearms that we're looking at classifying.
With that, I have the confidence that any minister, present or future, will make decisions based on expert and technical advice provided. It only makes sense that if they can do something in one direction, they can do something in both directions, which is the situation now.
Thank you.
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CPC (YT)
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2015-04-30 9:07
Thank you, Mr. Chair, and thank you, Mr. Farrant and Mr. Bernardo, for your presentations today. I think they were both very clear and succinct and dealt with many of the things we've heard both in the House and on committee, and hopefully, have clarified some of the questions that the opposition members have obviously been struggling with during this debate.
I don't know if you have seen them, but I would bring your attention to some of the things that the Liberal Party has put out in the broader Canadian public around this particular bill. One of them, of course, is our fundraising effort that is suggesting that guns—they have some pictures of them, pistols and long arms—are going to be able to move in and out of a province anywhere people want, and they list places like shopping malls, grocery stores, and sports arenas, then they ask the question, “Is this really safe for our community?”
First I'll direct this to you, Mr. Bernardo. Have you seen these fundraising ads that the Liberal Party has put out, and would you agree that Bill C-42 in any way provides the opportunity, or anything that would be different from the current-day situation in respect of firearms movement in Canada?
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CPC (YT)
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2015-04-30 9:09
Perfect, thank you.
They also have another ad out suggesting that the power to determine what is restricted, prohibited, or non-restricted, is being taken away from the police and being given to politicians. They're using this, again, to promote fear and misunderstanding in the broader public about the technical aspects of classification of firearms. What's your understanding of how Bill C-42 effects a change? You touched on it briefly that the RCMP doesn't have the technical ability to properly classify firearms. Is it your understanding that there will be a group of politicians, much like us, sitting around with firearms in front of us trying to determine which one should be classified, restricted, prohibited, or non-restricted?
How will that work under this new legislation?
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2015-04-30 9:11
Fair enough. Thank you.
Mr. Farrant, you talked about some of the things that have been mentioned that are troubling for your conservation organization of a 100,000 members. We heard this week about this “gun lobby”, as though there's a negative connotation to being a firearms owner.
Can you describe who makes up your organization? Are there young people, women, men? If so, what's the general sense of your conservation organization in terms of this negative viewpoint that some witnesses and some members of Parliament have put toward being a gun owner in this country?
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2015-04-28 11:38
Mr. Chair, much of this has been pie in the sky.
I'm wondering if we've started to get to the point where we're now engaging in a continuation of the study for our own personal interest outside the material or germane issues to this piece of legislation that we're trying to cover.
I do know the questions we asked, and clearly, I am trying to be respectful and not engaging in a point of order on this very piece.
I think the officials who are here are trying to advise us on the implications of any amendment or the specific aspects of this clause by clause. I don't know if we're starting to move toward asking these questions because we're interested in things other than those that actually have a material impact on the bill.
I was going to talk for another seven or eight minutes, but I won't. I'll just quickly turn it over to Mr. Weston to introduce the group he has, if I'm allowed to divert my time quickly.
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2015-04-28 11:49
I won't belabour it, Mr. Chair, but I don't disagree with things. Mr. Kamp, I think, summarized my intention quite clearly. Just to speak for myself, it wasn't Mr. Cleary saying that. Of course, by no means are those comments a personal attack on Mr. MacAulay's opinions or questions. It was very much what Mr. Kamp had indicated. In that respect, I think we're able to focus on what we need to do. And you ultimately, Mr. Chair, have the ability to accept any of the comments or invitations by any of our members to do that, and that's the process, and that's democracy working.
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2015-04-28 9:09
Thank you, Mr. Chair, and thank you to all our witnesses.
I think for the benefit of Mr. Illerbrun who is on the phone right now I'll introduce myself. I'm Ryan Leef, member of Parliament for the Yukon. I'm going to ask each one of you one question because I don't want to be presumptuous. I'll just see where everybody's at and that might direct my continued line of questioning. I'll start with Ms. Cukier and then move to Mr. Rodgers and then finally to Mr. Illerbrun. Ms. Cukier, do you own a gun, or have you ever taken the Canadian firearms safety course or the hunter education and ethics development program?
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2015-04-28 9:11
Thank you.
I've done the same thing, taken the course a couple of times and taken my son through it. The point of the question is, I think for the benefit of the Canadian public, we've heard from all witnesses about a law-abiding, safe, ethical, and I would argue, self-regulating firearms community. I think many of the course descriptions and the rules and regulations around firearms ownership and firearms safety training have come directly from the firearms community. They're not things that have been legislated upon us, but are driven by the firearms community to make sure the group maintains its high standards.
Maybe I'll start with you, Mr. Rodgers, and then over to you, Mr. Illerbrun. I'm just wondering for the benefit of the committee if you can describe in a tight package what the Canadian firearms safety course looks like, additionally—and what we call it in the Yukon may be a different name but the same principle—what the hunter education and ethics development program looks like, which is ancillary to the CFS course if you want to have a hunting licence. Then maybe quickly could you describe what sorts of ethics, rules, and standards are set by the firearms and sports shooting community at a range itself?
In other words what are range rules that would identify and secure Canadian firearms owners, not only as law abiding but as a highly safe and ethical group of individuals?
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2015-04-28 9:15
Thank you.
Mr. Illerbrun, without repeating anything, is there anything you would add to those remarks?
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2015-04-28 10:12
Thank you, Mr. Chair.
Do you consider yourself and the members of your federation to be the gun lobby?
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2015-04-28 10:14
You've listed 125,000 members of your association and there are hundreds of thousands of Canadians who belong to fish and wildlife federations and groups across Canada. Part of hunting of course involves the lawful, ethical use of firearms and of course the courses that come with that, be it the Canadian firearms safety course or provincial hunter education training programs.
From your experience, as I'm sure you've worked with all those groups and associations across Canada, do you and your colleagues in those associations believe it is reasonable that, the moment a firearms licence expires, Canadian citizens would be subject to firearms seizures and immediate criminal sanctions?
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2015-04-28 10:16
Thank you.
There's interpretation but that was well said anyway.
Maybe I'll pose that question to you, Ms. Rathjen.
Currently, present day, when a licence expires and when a person has taken the Canadian firearms safety course, many of whom are federation members who take additional courses for hunter education and ethics development programs, immediately they're subject to criminal sanctions and the seizure of their firearms.
Do you believe it to be reasonable that a Canadian would face criminal sanctions the moment a licence expires?
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2015-04-28 10:18
I'm sorry, I have limited time.
I was wondering specifically if you thought it was reasonable that a Canadian would face criminal sanctions.
Maybe I could help you a little. I did like the line you said, that we need to focus on ideology over...or you suggested that our government is focusing on ideology over expertise. Of course I have longitudinal, peer-reviewed studies that clearly show that licensed Canadian firearms are less likely to be used to commit murder, if we're talking about the most extreme end of violence.
But I couldn't help but miss.... I'm coming at this from the perspective of a former Royal Canadian Mounted Police officer, a former conservation officer, who on a daily basis dealt with law-abiding Canadian firearms owners. I never had access to that registry. I never had access to that information you're talking about. I wouldn't have had access to any of the ATT information that's being highlighted in this bill, so I think you're overemphasizing some of the information that you believe police and conservation officers or any other law enforcement officer in this country would have had. That just simply wasn't available and that's not about to change under this piece of legislation.
The one piece I do find a little disconcerting is that I think it's important we have a logical, rational discussion on this, because I haven't missed some of the sensationalization of the firearms that you've presented. When you focused on the .50 calibre that could pierce bulletproof vests, this may seem like semantics to you but this helps us lead to a rational discussion on this. There's no such thing as a bulletproof vest; there are only bullet-resistant vests and they're designed for law enforcement officers to protect themselves from the firearms they carry on their own hip, not against any others. There isn't a hunting rifle that can't pierce a bullet-resistant vest on a police officer.
You build these things in to sensationalize something, to make Canadians fear that a .50 calibre is out there and suggest that's going to create a risk for law enforcement officers. I can tell you as a law enforcement officer that's not the case.
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CPC (YT)
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2015-04-23 12:36
Thank you, Mr. Chair.
Thank you to our witnesses.
When I look over these estimates, there are always bigger numbers in them. In our review of them, I think, like Mr. Sopuck indicated, that I'm interested in results and not always the process of things. I just want to highlight a couple of points to you that I think are more congratulatory in nature. I've obviously spent some time travelling around the country and I have a couple of recent examples that I'd like to just bring to your attention.
You know that the results that you're providing and these asks that we're seeing in some of these line items are good investments. I've met with a number of consultative working groups that meet on a regular basis with the Department of Fisheries and Oceans, including members of the hunting and angling advisory panel, and they're very pleased with the work and relationship that they have with the Department of Fisheries and Oceans. I heard that very recently.
They also highlighted to me, which I think is worth passing on, that the educational strategy that has been deployed at the front-line level by officers instead of enforcement response actions has been well grounded. It seems as though their education and discretion in deployment is winning favour in the communities across this country that I've spoken to. I think that's equally important for you to realize because a lot of what you're doing, a lot of what we're asking for in this budget in terms of big numbers, makes a difference to day-to-day Canadians and individuals in this country.
In respect to the coast guard, I had a great opportunity several months ago to board the Laurier with Captain Bill Noon. At that time he was doing a huge school engagement when they returned from the Franklin expedition and had the bell on display. I can tell you right now that the coast guard connecting with Canadians, in particular the youth of our country, is a great way to build those bridges and a great way to invest in the historical contributions that the coast guard is making.
In respect to the investments around the helicopter fleet, there was an interesting anecdotal story there about how the coast guard pilot at the time was engaged in three different activities, one being scientific research and one being a search and rescue mission, on the very same day that they discovered pieces that helped lead us to find the Franklin ship. It shows the diversity and the interoperability of those services and the exchange that the coast guard has with Canadian Forces, particularly in the high Arctic.
I know your investments in small craft harbours are making big differences in Arctic communities. The recreational fisheries partnership fund, with 2,000 linear kilometres of stream habitat restored now, is a wonderful investment. There are great community-based projects with thousands of volunteers, millions of dollars leveraged, great community partners, and smaller contribution agreements like the ones that you sign onto with the salmon subcommittee for the Yukon Fish and Wildlife Management Board to let them do the important work that they need to do across transboundary waters.
I think it's important for us as parliamentarians to thank you and acknowledge the great work that you're doing, which makes a meaningful difference in individual lives and are very much kitchen table discussion items for families in this country.
I want to ask one piece about the Pacific and Atlantic commercial fisheries initiative. I'm just wondering if you can provide some information about detail around first nations participation and maybe some other accomplishments in the program, because I do see line items around aboriginal strategies and governance. I was pleased to be at a fisheries hatchery fully run by first nations communities in Penticton recently. These are great success stories, and if you could just provide a little bit of information on how these main estimates will deliver those programs for Canadians and first nations, it would be wonderful to hear.
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2015-04-23 8:59
Thank you, Mr. Chair, and thank you, Minister, for your presentation this morning.
One change that has been made in this legislation is the authorization to transport restricted firearms, to have it as part of the restricted licence rather than as separate pieces of paperwork.
I'd also point out that when those additional forms for ATTs are completed, they aren't actually shared with the police. They're just retained by the chief firearms officer in the region and really are just put in a drawer.
We've heard, of course, the Liberals saying some pretty outrageous things in respect to this, in an attempt to fearmonger Canadians about that piece of legislation. In fact, I'm looking right now at an advertisement they have, which they're using for cheap fundraising activities, and they're proposing ridiculous comments such as that this ATT merger of conditions on a licence will allow restricted weapons to be transported to places such as grocery stores and hockey arenas, and I think they have shopping malls—all kinds of outrageous, misleading, and grossly inaccurate comments in a cheap effort to fundraise.
Could you comment on these false claims and give some context and greater understanding to my colleagues in the Liberal party about how these requirements and this change to the legislation will actually be implemented?
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2015-04-23 9:03
Thank you, Minister.
You know, I mentioned how the Liberals were spending time misleading Canadians for the benefit of their own fundraising interests, and I'm not surprised to see the NDP here misunderstanding the firearms laws and the classification of firearms. Or if they're not misunderstanding, they're intentionally misleading Canadians.
I want to ask you a pointed question. Did you, as the minister, have to sign an OIC for the reclassification of the Swiss Arms rifle and CZ858, or did officials? Is that why you brought forward the review mechanism under Bill C-42?
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2015-04-23 9:05
Thank you.
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2015-04-23 9:05
Minister, maybe you could elaborate on the cross-country support. You did highlight it a little. We're wondering if you have any additional remarks on the support you've heard from rural Canadians right across this country for this legislation.
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2015-04-23 10:18
Thank you, Mr. Chair.
To the officials, thank you for your attendance and participation today.
We hear a bit of misinformation in the House, and then we see it a bit here in committee. It's not really a surprise, because when I look to the opposition, very few of them are gun owners or actually understand the activity of hunting.
A piece of this came out again today. The term “firearm” is being used interchangeably now across all classifications of firearms. Indeed, there are prohibited, restricted, and non-restricted firearms. When we hear questions pertaining to ATTs, and the transport of restricted firearms for the purpose of hunting, particularly from American citizens entering this country, or even presenting yourself to a point of entry, in fact the provinces in this country don't allow hunting with restricted weapons. That's a provincial regulation. But it's an important distinction, because if we're asking questions around American hunters arriving at a point of entry to Canada and wanting to enter our country with firearms, they are by and large doing that with non-restricted weapons for the purpose of hunting, at which point they have always received, and will continue to, a permit designating for what purpose and what time length they can enter our country.
Has any of that changed?
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2015-04-23 10:19
I'm going to talk about restricted firearms in a minute. I'm glad we were able to clarify that piece and a few other things. I was particularly pleased that we were able to clarify for Mr. Casey that the Interpretation Act, in section 35 and subsection 8(1), clearly defines what a province is, including the territories, and that we're clearly aligning ourselves with the whole of Canada and not parts thereof in this legislation.
I'll clarify one more thing for him as well. Perhaps it was because of the decision of his Liberal colleague in the Yukon that I am sitting in this House, because he committed to voting to get rid of long-gun registry and didn't do that. Of course, the Yukon remembers that commitment and that failure to retain that promise. They will also remember exactly what the Liberals are doing right now by fundraising and telling Canadians, through fearmongering advertisements, that this legislation will make it easier for Canadians to buy automatic firearms.
I will ask you a very pointed question: does any specific provision in this bill make automatic firearms more easily available to Canadians?
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2015-04-23 10:20
Thank you.
Yet we see advertisements about restricted firearms by the Liberal Party to try to garner funds across this country by suggesting that Canadians will have unfettered access to be able to purchase restricted and prohibited weapons, take them to shopping malls, take them to grocery stores, and take them to sports arenas. I think it's unfortunate that's continuing now. I thank you for that point of clarification.
Moving on to some more interesting things that some of the members in the opposition are saying, I see that the Toronto MP Adam Vaughan said there's no hunting being done in Toronto. He makes some remarks about having big racoons in Toronto, but says that the ATT is going to make it a lot easier to move firearms all around the city of Toronto wherever and however they want. I know you've spoken to it again, but I think it's important for the record. Can you clarify, will Bill C-42 allow anybody to travel wherever and whenever they want with a restricted firearm in their vehicle in the community of Toronto?
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2015-04-23 10:22
How much time do I have left, Mr. Chair?
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2015-04-23 10:23
I don't have a lot of time. I want to thank you for those points of clarification. I hope as we move forward that both the NDP and the Liberals will be more genuine in their commentary on this bill based on the clarifications and information you've provided. I think Canadians deserve an honest discussion about this piece of legislation. They don't deserve to have the fearmongering tactics that have been so widely distributed by the Liberal Party. Certainly, I hope that the Liberals don't continue this misleading brand of fundraising activities they have been doing.
Thank you for your time.
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2015-04-21 12:51
Thank you, Mr. Chair.
Thank you, Mr. Sporer. We've focused a fair bit on recreational fishing in Canada's inland waters, so it's interesting to hear information around tidal waters—and, of course, the commercial perspective that's being offered is certainly beneficial.
In your intro, you talked about 60% of the catch in the case of Pacific halibut being in the fishing lodge and charter vessel sector. Anecdotally, it makes sense to me that this would be the case. There are guides and infrastructure and generally greater season lengths and opportunities. But how do we know that number? How do we come up with 60%?
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2015-04-21 12:53
Yes, I know, and that's a fair point. I think the committee fully appreciates your comments on that piece.
With those estimates—again, I appreciate that we're dealing with estimates here—what's the estimate of the total recreational catch in comparison to the commercial catch? I didn't see that in your presentation, so if it's in here, excuse me.
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2015-04-21 12:54
Okay, and on the total allowable harvest, the TAC, compared to the stocks, how safe is that buffer?
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2015-04-21 12:56
Yes, I appreciate that.
I see in some of the footnotes you have that the average weight of recreationally caught halibut in British Columbia is almost 19 pounds. Do you have an indication of what the weight for commercial would be?
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2015-04-21 12:56
I am curious about the halibut biology. I really don't know much about halibut biology. In terms of that average weight of 19 pounds for the recreational fishery, and in terms of the commercial fishery, what is the breeding stock weight of halibut if that's averaged out? Is there an optimal release weight?
I know inland fisheries better. We want to release the older, bigger lake trout because they are the primary breeding stock. Does it work the same way with halibut, and is that release possible? Could we have some comments on the biology end of it?
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2015-04-21 12:58
Thank you.
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2015-03-30 9:25
Thank you, Premier, Minister, and Ms. Stinson, for joining us this morning. Indeed, thank you to all Yukoners who have come here today to hear a long day's testimony on this important piece of legislation.
Premier, here is a follow-up to Mr. Bevington's question. He was talking about the desire for some level of parity with Canada for the Yukon government in this piece of legislation, and indeed of all Yukoners, that we have some level of equality in the playing field around our development regime. It doesn't necessarily mean, when we're asking for parity, that we're not recognizing that this legislation is unique. In fact, the development of YESAA specifically excluded Yukon's adopting the CEAA regime.
Would you care to continue your comments on how we can retain parity but at the same time retain Yukon's uniqueness with respect to our environmental regime?
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2015-03-30 9:28
You spoke in your introductory remarks about devolution and the advancement—you called it evolution—of our northern governance.
I heard in your comments some language around a bilateral accord with Yukon first nations to implement the pieces of this legislation. Can you expand on that for us, please? It's an interesting proposition.
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2015-03-30 9:29
Can you briefly outline the current makeup of the Yukon Environmental and Socio-Economic Assessment Board and the executive committee, please?
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CPC (YT)
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2015-03-30 9:34
Thank you, Mr. Chair.
Back in 2012 the Yukon government signed a historic resource revenue-sharing agreement with the Government of Canada. Since that point there's been joint investment in projects like the Centre for Northern Innovation in Mining, and additional support for land-based training, the caring for the land program, and additional educational and literacy types of programs to make sure that Yukoners have opportunities when there are jobs available in the territory.
As Minister Kent pointed out, there has been some depreciation in attraction for the investment climate in Yukon. He referenced the YMAB report.
I'm just wondering if you can expand a little bit on how this entire parcel of investment is part of the opportunities we're trying to generate for Yukoners, not just a legislative piece but a program-based piece, and what the governments of Yukon and Canada are doing to make sure Yukoners have those kinds of opportunities available to them.
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2015-03-30 9:36
One point of concern that first nations have raised has to do with the delegation of authority down to the territorial level. Again I want to reference the bilateral accord offer you're making here today. I'm wondering if you could touch on that piece and try to paint a better picture for the public who are here and listening today. How do you envision any delegation of authority that would move down from the federal government to the territorial government, working with our northern governance regime and with the relationship that's absolutely necessary between the Yukon government and Yukon first nations?
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2015-03-30 10:35
Thank you to all our first nation leadership for providing testimony today. We appreciate it. Gunalchéesh.
Grand Chief, I want to ask you a couple of questions. I apologize for not getting specifically to everybody because of the limited time.
The premier this morning talked about his interest in engaging a bilateral accord with Yukon first nations to talk about the implementation on this piece. Could I get some of your comments on the perspective that the premier has offered?
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2015-03-30 10:37
That's a fair point.
Grand Chief, you did a good job outlining the concerns that you have. I know the committee will be seized with your outline on those pieces.
I want to ask you quickly about some of the pieces in the bill itself that you might find positive. Clause 9, in particular, around the cumulative effects section that's enhancing environmental protection also broadens the aspect of interests of all Yukon first nations. There are a few other clauses in here that ensure inclusion, in particular proposed new section 88.1 that talks about extending authority so that Yukon first nations can indeed impose more stringent conditions on when decisions are made.
I was wondering if you could comment on a couple of those clauses.
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2015-03-30 10:38
Grand Chief, on that, I have a deck in front of me from November 26, 2013, that has that spelled out. That was provided to Yukon first nations from Aboriginal Affairs and Northern Development. It spells those out. Then a draft copy of the bill in secret form was provided. Of course, you may know that Parliament and the department are not allowed to provide a copy of the bill to retain until it's presented to Parliament or to the Senate. But indeed we do have a deck from 2013 that includes those amendments in it.
I want to ask you one specific question on the delegation piece. The premier said that no delegation is contemplated at the time he committed to consultation with the Yukon first nations.
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2015-03-30 10:43
I'll start where we left off, Grand Chief.
You heard the premier say earlier this morning that on the one point of concern about delegation of authority, no delegation is contemplated at this time. The federal government cannot delegate any of the regulations, and the premier has committed to consultation with Yukon first nations if and before any delegation would be contemplated. Is that not some assurance or satisfaction for your concern about the delegation piece?
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2015-03-30 10:45
Grand Chief, in respect to the policy direction concern, Bill S-6, under proposed subsection 121.1(2), is explicit in stating:
Policy directions do not apply in respect of any proposal for a project that, at the time the directions are given, has been submitted to a designated office, the executive committee or a panel of the Board.
With that in mind, what specific concerns do you have about binding policy that you envision the minister's having authority over that would affect the independence of the board, respective of the fact that the YESAB and the executive committee are made up of a good percentage of Yukon first nations?
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