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Committee Evidence - HUMA-69
2009-12-10
Dean Allison - 16:15
Lib. (NS)
Michael Savage (Dartmouth—Cole Harbour)
2009-12-10 16:15
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Thank you, Chair.
Thank you, Mr. Bédard, for coming and for coming a couple of weeks ago when you flew standby. Today you had a guaranteed ticket. Thank you for coming back. I appreciate that.
I certainly don't agree with Mr. Lobb. There's a whole bunch of information in this, certainly, that wasn't made available to us when we had a look at this bill.
I've raised questions about the premium setting. I've raised a lot of questions about the deficit that will be on this fund, which we weren't given initially and were only given in response to our questions. Madame Folco has talked about the premium rates. My colleague Ms. Minna has spoken about the gender inequities, potentially, in this bill and how it relates to regular EI.
You've given us a lot of information. When I saw this this morning, I thought there was a lot of stuff here that would be of interest. If you were still the chief actuary of the EI Commission, if there were still the EI Commission as it was and you were still the chief actuary, would you sanction Bill C-56?
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Michel Bédard - 16:17
Lib. (NS)
Michael Savage (Dartmouth—Cole Harbour)
2009-12-10 16:17
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That's fair enough.
Would you, as chief actuary, have raised these questions and insisted that these would make the bill an ineffective bill?
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Michel Bédard - 16:17
Lib. (NS)
Michael Savage (Dartmouth—Cole Harbour)
2009-12-10 16:17
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There are a number of things of interest here. You've raised a huge number of questions. I'd like to ask you if you are able to tell us, in order, what the biggest flaws in the bill are.
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Michel Bédard - 16:17
Michel Bédard - 16:18
Lib. (NS)
Michael Savage (Dartmouth—Cole Harbour)
2009-12-10 16:18
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You see, when the minister appeared and when officials appeared, we asked about this. We asked who had looked at this bill. The minister continually said that because it's an optional program, they don't know what the costs are going to be, etc. We understand that, but whenever you introduce a program, there's a certain level of rigour that one expects to come with it. We weren't told that it was going to cost anything. We were told it would be self-sustaining. On the other hand, it never made sense that the minister could state with certainty that it would be self-sustaining when she also said that it was optional and they didn't know.
It's a difficult process. We all support, as you do, the idea of employment insurance for the self-employed. The question is whether this bill is the answer. It is being rushed? Was it put together quickly to get it out the door? Those are the things we've had to wrestle with. That's difficult.
Let me ask you this. Now that you're not the chief actuary but have all the knowledge inherent to having been that, do you think it makes sense that the funding should come from the EI fund, as opposed to the consolidated revenue fund?
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Michel Bédard - 16:19
Dean Allison - 16:20
Lib. (QC)
Raymonde Folco (Laval—Les Îles)
2009-12-10 16:20
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Yes. I find it disrespectful of the members opposite. This gentleman has been invited to come and give us information. I think he should be heard.
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Dean Allison - 16:20
Dean Allison - 16:21
Lib. (NS)
Michael Savage (Dartmouth—Cole Harbour)
2009-12-10 16:21
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Thank you very much.
Can you reiterate for me what, in your view, the rates should be for the self-employed in Quebec to opt in just for the sickness and compassionate?
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Michel Bédard - 16:21
Lib. (NS)
Michael Savage (Dartmouth—Cole Harbour)
2009-12-10 16:21
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Okay. But it certainly should not be 1.36%
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Michel Bédard - 16:21
Lib. (NS)
Michael Savage (Dartmouth—Cole Harbour)
2009-12-10 16:21
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Okay. We suggest to you that the first year the plan provides that those who register between January and March can qualify for benefits from January 1. Does it make sense to have that for every year, as opposed to just for the first year?
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Michel Bédard - 16:22
Lib. (NS)
Michael Savage (Dartmouth—Cole Harbour)
2009-12-10 16:22
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Okay. I have one other question. I'm not sure if you can answer this.
The government wants this in place. It wants it to go through both houses of Parliament and receive royal assent before January 1, which seems very unlikely. Is there any reason this couldn't be backdated if it got royal assent in February or some other time, in order to include people? Is there any reason that it couldn't be backdated to January 1 if it received royal assent later?
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Michel Bédard - 16:23
Dean Allison - 16:46
Lib. (NS)
Michael Savage (Dartmouth—Cole Harbour)
2009-12-10 16:46
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On a point of clarification, maybe I'm missing something obvious, but in your numbers, Mr. Bédard, you indicate that in 2014 there will be a deficit of $86 million in the plan outside Quebec and a surplus of $18 million, which leads to an overall cost to the EI fund of $68 million. The number that the department is using is $78 million. Is there an explanation for that?
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Michel Bédard - 16:46
Michel Bédard - 16:47
Lib. (NS)
Michael Savage (Dartmouth—Cole Harbour)
2009-12-10 16:47
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Could you explain to me again this table that shows a potential deficit of $131 million, based on 2010 contribution rates, table 3?
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Michel Bédard - 16:47
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Michael Savage (Dartmouth—Cole Harbour)
2009-12-10 16:47
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Explain to me how we know what the rates are going to be in 2014.
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Michel Bédard - 16:47
Michel Bédard - 16:47
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Michael Savage (Dartmouth—Cole Harbour)
2009-12-10 16:48
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To have a deficit of $68 million instead of $130 million assumes the maximum 15¢ per year increase.
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Michel Bédard - 16:48
Lib. (NS)
Michael Savage (Dartmouth—Cole Harbour)
2009-12-10 16:48
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We assume that the premium rates are going to go up anyway in the EI fund. They have to. Payroll taxes are going up.
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Michel Bédard - 16:49
Dean Allison - 17:08
Lib. (ON)
Hon. Maria Minna (Beaches—East York)
2009-12-10 17:08
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Thank you, Mr. Chair.
Very quickly, I have three things. I was fortunate to be able to go to Nunavut, not officially as a member of this committee but for other business. Together with Madame Demers from the Bloc, I was able to meet with a number of organizations and visit a number of places to do with the poverty issue we're looking at. I am hoping that when we get back I might be able to give a one-pager to the committee as part of the information, The committee didn't travel there and I was able to do the work for us, so I would be happy to do that when we come back.
The other thing is that with the exception of the specific study that Mr. Martin just mentioned about the aboriginal community—which of course could be a subsection in our own report to pay some focus to it—having done what I would think are the bulk of the consultations, if not all of them, I wonder if the chair has given any direction to staff to draft a report. It would be nice to have the draft report prior to budget time, or to have at least finished the report, so there could be some thinking on the part of government and others to integrate some of the needs in that budget. Certainly it would be nice to finish it and not have it drag on. It's been going on for quite some time and I'm concerned. I would like to see it come to a positive end.
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