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View Geoff Regan Profile
Lib. (NS)
I call this meeting to order.
Welcome to meeting number nine of the House of Commons Special Committee on Canada-China Relations.
Pursuant to the order of reference of July 20, 2020, the committee is meeting on its study on Canada-China relations.
To ensure an orderly meeting, here are a few rules to follow.
Interpretation in this video conference will work very much as it does in a regular committee meeting.
You have the choice, at the bottom of your screen, of either floor, English or French. As you're speaking, if you plan to alternate from one language to the other, you'll need to also switch the interpretation channel so that it aligns with the language you're speaking. You may want to allow for a short pause when switching languages.
Before speaking, please wait until I recognize you by name. When you're ready to speak, you can click on the microphone icon to activate your microphone. A reminder that all comments by members and witnesses should be addressed through the chair.
If a member wishes to speak outside the time provided for their questions, they must turn on their microphone and state that they wish to raise a point of order. If a member wishes to address a point of order raised by another member, they must use the “raise hand” function to inform the chair that they want to speak. To do so, you must click on “participants” at the bottom of the screen. When the list appears beside your name, you'll see an option to raise your hand.
Make sure that you speak slowly and clearly. I'll try to do the same. When you aren't speaking, your microphone should be on mute. The use of headsets is strongly encouraged.
I should mention that the clerk has informed me that there was a major Internet outage today in Ottawa. We're hoping that it will not reoccur and cause us any problems, but the technicians are aware of that. I don't think they can do much about it, but hopefully it won't reoccur.
View Jack Harris Profile
NDP (NL)
I have a point of order, Mr. Chair.
You made reference to an option at the bottom of the screen allowing you to raise your hand with some device. I don't have such a thing. I have a “Reactions” button, which allows me to clap one hand or give a thumbs-up, but no raising of the hand, so I don't know....
View Dan Albas Profile
CPC (BC)
You should hit “Participants”. Then it will open up another screen and it will say “Raise Hand”.
View Geoff Regan Profile
Lib. (NS)
You know, I could ask Mr. Albas to wait until he is recognized, but I think that was a very helpful intervention.
Could you go over that again, Dan?
View Dan Albas Profile
CPC (BC)
In the centre of the screen, you should see “Participants”. Right now I see one that has 26 participants. Next to the “English” button, or your language button, you click on “Participants”, and it will have a menu of all the people who are on there. At the bottom, I believe on the right, it will say “Raise Hand”.
View Geoff Regan Profile
Lib. (NS)
Mr. Harris, is that helpful?
View Jack Harris Profile
NDP (NL)
No. There are three icons on the bottom: “Participants”, “English”, and next to that is “Reactions”. When I press on “Participants”, I don't get anything other than.... Hold on, there's a list on the right-hand side. Is that what you're talking about, Dan?
View Dan Albas Profile
CPC (BC)
Yes, at the bottom right.
View Jack Harris Profile
NDP (NL)
Okay. You have the actual list of the names of the participants. I see it now, sir.
View Geoff Regan Profile
Lib. (NS)
Beneath that list are three words: “Invite”, “Mute Me” and “Raise Hand”—
View Jack Harris Profile
NDP (NL)
I have my hand raised there now.
View Geoff Regan Profile
Lib. (NS)
Excellent. I don't see it, but you know how to do it, so I think we're all right.
Thank you very much.
View Jack Harris Profile
NDP (NL)
It's raised there now.
View Geoff Regan Profile
Lib. (NS)
Apparently the clerk is indicating that she sees it. I don't see it. That's odd. Is it raised on the list of participants? I'm sorry, but....
View Jack Harris Profile
NDP (NL)
It isn't now. Mr. Williamson's is, but mine is not.
Oh, it is now. Yes, okay.
View Geoff Regan Profile
Lib. (NS)
I'm sorry for the confusion about this, but it's important to work this out. My expectation would be that we would see the raised hand on your screen. I wonder if that's not correct.
Perhaps the clerk could clarify this.
View Jack Harris Profile
NDP (NL)
I can see it on my screen now, yes.
Christine Holke
View Christine Holke Profile
Christine Holke
2020-08-06 15:12
Mr. Chair, I see both raised hands, on Mr. Williamson's video and Mr. Harris's, as well as in the participants list.
View Geoff Regan Profile
Lib. (NS)
All right. Well, I'm going to ask Mr. Harris to do that again, because I didn't see it and I'm going to need to see it, obviously.
View Jack Harris Profile
NDP (NL)
I'll lower it now. Now it's gone. I'll press “raise hand” again, and now it's back up again.
View Geoff Regan Profile
Lib. (NS)
Okay, I see where it is. I'll have to have that off to the side then. That's going to be one more thing to have open here.
View Jack Harris Profile
NDP (NL)
That was my same problem. I did not have that list open.
View Geoff Regan Profile
Lib. (NS)
I'm sorry for the delay here, but that's very useful. That's going to be challenging, perhaps, but I'll try to keep my eye on that. Thank you very much.
Since my colleagues insist that the meeting stems from a recommendation by the Subcommittee on Agenda and Procedure, we need to ratify this recommendation before proceeding further. I understand that Mr. Oliphant is prepared to move a motion to do this.
Go ahead, Mr. Oliphant.
View Robert Oliphant Profile
Lib. (ON)
Yes, thank you, Mr. Chair. It's good to see everybody.
I begin by apologizing for not having a tie on. I would normally wear a tie, but I am at the cottage and the meeting was called while I was still at the cottage. I could do up my button, and hang something funny from my neck, but I thought that was ruder than not having a tie on.
I'm going to begin with a motion, and this is, as the chair said, in light of the fact that the subcommittee met but has not yet had a report ratified. We'll be able to do it at the end of the meeting, but to facilitate this meeting happening, I would move that the committee meet from 3 p.m. to 7 p.m. today, Thursday, August 6, 2020; that former ambassadors David Mulroney, John McCallum and Robert Wright, as well as Dr. Lobsang Sangay, be invited to appear from 3 p.m. to 6 p.m.; and that the committee discuss committee business from 6 p.m. to 7 p.m.
That is the motion.
Thank you, Mr. Chair.
View Geoff Regan Profile
Lib. (NS)
Thank you, Mr. Oliphant.
As stipulated in the latest order of reference from the House, all motions shall be decided by way of a recorded vote. I will now ask the clerk to proceed—
View Geoff Regan Profile
Lib. (NS)
I'm sorry. I guess you probably had a hand up. This is the problem with not seeing these hands up all the time.
Mr. Albas.
View Dan Albas Profile
CPC (BC)
Thank you, Mr. Chair.
As the subcommittee report clearly indicated, there were a number of former ambassadors, including Mr. McCallum, who were invited. I note today that we are going to be speaking with one of the invited guests.
Could I ask the clerk the status of the other two?
Christine Holke
View Christine Holke Profile
Christine Holke
2020-08-06 15:15
The other two, Mr. Wright and Mr. McCallum, have declined the invitation of the committee.
View Dan Albas Profile
CPC (BC)
Okay, so they've declined. Is it because they were not able to make it today or have they declined from participating completely? Could you elaborate?
Christine Holke
View Christine Holke Profile
Christine Holke
2020-08-06 15:15
They didn't give me any explanation. They just said they were not available to appear before the committee.
View Geoff Regan Profile
Lib. (NS)
All right. Thank you, Mr. Albas.
Now I'll ask the clerk to proceed to—
View Garnett Genuis Profile
CPC (AB)
Mr. Chair, I have a hand raised, but I believe Mr. Harris had his raised ahead of mine.
View Geoff Regan Profile
Lib. (NS)
Okay, I'm having trouble with that. Thank you.
Mr. Harris.
View Jack Harris Profile
NDP (NL)
I don't know how that hand got raised, Chair, so I'll take it off and pass the floor over to whomever was ahead of me.
View Geoff Regan Profile
Lib. (NS)
I think it's Mr. Genuis.
View Garnett Genuis Profile
CPC (AB)
Thank you, Mr. Chair.
In light of the clerk's response to Mr. Albas's intervention, I want to propose an amendment to the motion, that we add to the text of the motion “that Canada's former ambassador to the People's Republic of China, the Honourable John McCallum, be summoned to appear before the committee at a time, date and location to be determined by the chair and the clerk of the committee”.
View Geoff Regan Profile
Lib. (NS)
That would be a motion to amend the motion before us. I believe it's in order. I'm not seeing an indication from the clerk otherwise, so I'll now ask the clerk to proceed to a recorded vote on Mr. Genuis's amendment to the main motion.
Christine Holke
View Christine Holke Profile
Christine Holke
2020-08-06 15:17
Okay. The vote is on the amendment.
I need to hear a yes or no: Mr. Virani—
View Robert Oliphant Profile
Lib. (ON)
Could I have a point of order?
I would like to have the amendment read. I wasn't prepared for an amendment, and it sounds contradictory to the motion. I want to make sure I understand the amendment and what it is.
View Geoff Regan Profile
Lib. (NS)
I'll ask Mr. Genuis to read his motion to amend, please.
View Garnett Genuis Profile
CPC (AB)
I'm very happy to do that. I think it very much follows in the spirit of the proposal, given the witnesses that people wanted to hear from.
The amendment is “that Canada's former ambassador to the People's Republic of China, the Honourable John McCallum, be summoned to appear before the committee at a time, date and location to be determined by the chair and the clerk of the committee”.
View Robert Oliphant Profile
Lib. (ON)
May I speak to the amendment?
View Geoff Regan Profile
Lib. (NS)
I have Mr. Oliphant and then Mr. Bergeron.
View Garnett Genuis Profile
CPC (AB)
On a point of order, Mr. Chair, we're in the middle of a vote.
View Geoff Regan Profile
Lib. (NS)
Mr. Genuis is quite correct. I did ask the clerk to proceed to a recorded vote on the motion.
View Robert Oliphant Profile
Lib. (ON)
Mr. Chair, with all due respect, I don't believe you asked if there was any debate on the amendment. I think you missed that part. I would beg that you allow us just a minute for clarification.
View Garnett Genuis Profile
CPC (AB)
Mr. Chair, that's obviously not in order.
View Geoff Regan Profile
Lib. (NS)
Mr. Genuis, Mr. Oliphant is correct. I did not ask for debate on the motion, which clearly I should have done.
So I will—
View Garnett Genuis Profile
CPC (AB)
Mr. Chair, look, if the government members want to filibuster this, it's up to them—
The Chair: Well, Mr. Genuis—
Mr. Garnett Genuis: —but they've missed the window.
The Chair: Mr. Genuis, you're out of order.
Mr. Garnett Genuis: They've missed the window, Mr. Chair.
View Geoff Regan Profile
Lib. (NS)
Mr. Genuis, you're out of order.
View Garnett Genuis Profile
CPC (AB)
View Geoff Regan Profile
Lib. (NS)
Mr. Genuis, I would ask you to speak when it's your turn, when you're called upon to speak and when you're recognized.
View Garnett Genuis Profile
CPC (AB)
On a point of order, Mr. Chair—
View Geoff Regan Profile
Lib. (NS)
As I said, I should have called for debate. I did not do so. That's my error. I regret that.
It's important to allow members to debate on the motion that you've made.
View Garnett Genuis Profile
CPC (AB)
There were no speakers, but you know, you'd made a ruling—
View Geoff Regan Profile
Lib. (NS)
I did not call for debate.
We have Mr. Oliphant, followed by Mr. Bergeron.
View Robert Oliphant Profile
Lib. (ON)
Thank you, Mr. Chair.
To relieve Mr. Genuis's concern, I'm not going to filibuster. I would propose an amendment to the amendment. It would add Mr. Robert Wright, so that we would be inviting both the ambassadors who declined to appear before our committee. That's what I would do, because I don't understand. The subcommittee requested three ambassadors. One was available and the other two were not.
I believe I would be voting for the amendment that Mr. Genuis made, but I would like a subamendment to add Mr. Wright. Then I would be voting in favour of the subamendment, the amendment and then the motion.
View Geoff Regan Profile
Lib. (NS)
I will now call for debate on the subamendment moved by Mr. Oliphant. This is debate on the subamendment.
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