It's important to have a context for understanding the discussion, which is economically focused, but there are some big picture issues that I think ought to inform the discussion.
If you could provide data that lets us know what unemployment was at 2015 and where it is now, along with the debt-to-GDP ratio and where that ranks, where Canada ranks in the wider G7 on that measure, and the number of people who have been lifted out of poverty since 2015, I think that would help the committee from a big picture perspective in terms of establishing context.
There is another important question to be asked here. It has been hinted at, but we haven't delved into it in a very direct way.
Mr. Poilievre opened up questioning, and Mr. Cooper followed. If some around the table question the philosophy behind investing when governments take the decision to invest in business, that is actually curious, because in 2008 the then Conservative government invested $350 million in Bombardier. However, I leave that aside and maybe my colleagues would care to offer an explanation at a later time.
The question in my mind is not why governments invest. They certainly do make the decision to invest. What would happen if governments did not invest? That's a crucial question.
Ms. Johnson, you just cited figures under SIF. You said that 60,000 jobs have been created or maintained, or at least that's the projection. Is that correct?