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Minutes of Proceedings

Standing Committee on Public Safety and National Security (SECU)
45th Parliament, 1st Session
Meeting 38
Tuesday, May 26, 2026, 3:42 p.m. to 8:23 p.m.
Televised
Presiding
Hon. Jean-Yves Duclos, Chair (Liberal)

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• Roman Baber for Chak Au (Conservative)
• Wade Chang for Marianne Dandurand (Liberal)
• Sonia Sidhu for Marcus Powlowski (Liberal)
• Sameer Zuberi for Amandeep Sodhi (Liberal)
House of Commons
• Jean-Denis Kusion, Procedural Clerk
 
Library of Parliament
• Sabrina Charland, Analyst
• Alexsandra Ferland, Analyst
Committee Business
The committee proceeded to the consideration of matters related to committee business.

It was agreed, — That the proposed budget in the amount of $500, for consideration of the Main Estimates 2026-27, be adopted.

It was agreed, — That the proposed budget in the amount of $1,000, for the study of Canada-United States border management, be adopted.

It was agreed, — That the proposed budget in the amount of $22,000, for the study of Bill C-22, An Act respecting lawful access, be adopted.

Bill C-22, An Act respecting lawful access
As an individual
• Hon. Murray Rankin, Barristor and Solicitor
Apple Inc.
• Erik Neuenschwander, Senior Director, User Privacy and Child Safety
Barreau du Québec
• Marcel-Olivier Nadeau, President
• Nicolas Le Grand Alary, Lawyer, Secretariat of the Order and Legal Affairs
• Michel Marchand, Member, Criminal Law Expert Group
Canadian Association of Chiefs of Police
• Commr Thomas Carrique, President
Canadian Civil Liberties Association
• Tamir Israel, Director, Privacy, Surveillance and Technology Program
Canadian Telecommunications Association
• Eric Smith, Senior Vice-President
City of Brampton
• Patrick Brown, Mayor
Crypto Québec
• Luc Lefebvre, Chairman and Co-founder
Google
• Katherine Charlet, Senior Director, Privacy, Safety and Security, Government Affairs and Public Policy
• Jeanette Patell, Director, Government Affairs and Public Policy, Canada
Offices of the Information and Privacy Commissioners of Canada
• Marc Chénier, Deputy Commissioner and Senior General Counsel
• Philippe Dufresne, Privacy Commissioner of Canada
Ontario Child Sexual Exploitation Investigators Association
• Lisa Henderson, Board Member
• Andrew Ullock, Board Chair
Peel Regional Police
• D/Chief Nick Milinovich, Deputy Chief of Police
Royal Canadian Mounted Police
• Mathias Van Laer, Retired Staff Sergeant, Reservist
Pursuant to the order of reference of the House of Monday, April 20, 2026, and the motion adopted by the committee on Thursday, April 30, 2026, the committee resumed its study of Bill C-22, An Act respecting lawful access.

Marcel-Olivier Nadeau, Luc Lefebvre and Philippe Dufresne made statements and, with Nicolas Le Grand Alary and Michel Marchand, answered questions.

Dane Lloyd raised a question of privilege regarding access by committee members to the evidence of previous meetings and documents submitted to the committee.

The Chair reserved his decision.

At 4:45 p.m., the meeting was suspended.

At 4:49 p.m., the meeting resumed.

Erik Neuenschwander, Tamir Israel and Jeanette Patell made statements and, with Katherine Charlet, answered questions.

At 5:50 p.m., the meeting was suspended.

At 5:55 p.m., the meeting resumed.

Mathias Van Laer, Commr Thomas Carrique and Patrick Brown made statements and answered questions.

At 6:56 p.m., the meeting was suspended.

At 7:04 p.m., the meeting resumed.

Eric Smith, Andrew Ullock, D/Chief Nick Milinovich and Murray Rankin made statements and answered questions.

Motion

Frank Caputo moved, — That, in relation to the ongoing study of Bill C-22, an Act respecting lawful access;

a) the study be extended to accommodate further examination of part two of the bill which would enact the Supporting Authorized Access to Information Act, provided that the following witnesses appear separately, for at least one hour each:
  1. the Minister of Industry, in relation to the impact on electronic service providers and their industry;
  2. the Minister responsible for Canada-United States Trade, in relation to trade and security implications raised by American lawmakers;
  3. the Secretary of State (Combatting Crime);
b) the committee receive an additional eight hours of witness testimony, provided that the committee prioritize another briefing with departmental officials and hearing the testimony of representatives from Signal, NordVPN, OpenMedia, Centre for Free Expression, Canadian Constitution Foundation, Canadian Muslim Public Affairs Council, Migrant Workers Alliance for Change, and the testimony of Glenn Greenwald, Safiyya Ahmad, Noura Aljizawi, Teresa Scassa, and Jane Bailey, in addition to additional testimony deemed relevant by the committee;

c) the Chair be authorized to seek additional meeting time to accommodate this testimony in a timely manner;

d) the deadline for submitting amendments be extended until the testimony outlined in this motion has been received;

e) the Chair only be authorized to schedule a meeting for the purposes of clause-by-clause consideration of the bill after the witnesses listed in part a) have appeared, and the number of hours of testimony in part b) have been received.

Debate arose thereon.

Motion

Jacques Ramsay moved, — That the debate be now adjourned.

The question was put on the motion and it was agreed to on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Sima Acan, Wade Chang, Anthony Housefather, Marcus Powlowski, Jacques Ramsay, Amandeep Sodhi — 6;

NAYS: Chak Au, Frank Caputo, Claude DeBellefeuille, Rhonda Kirkland, Dane Lloyd — 5.

Motion

Jacques Ramsay moved, — That the committee extend its study of Bill C-22 by inviting witnesses to appear on Thursday, May 28, 2026, from 4:30 to 6:30 p.m.;

that the amendment deadline be extended to Monday, June 1, 2026, at 5:30 p.m.;

that the first hour of the meeting of Tuesday, June 2, 2026, be on Bill C‑221, and receive testimony from the sponsor of the bill, Mel Arnold;

that the second hour of the meeting of Tuesday, June 2, 2026, consist of the relevant department officials on the studies of the Main Estimates and Bill C‑22; and

that clause-by-clause consideration of Bill C-22 begins on Thursday, June 4, 2026.

Debate arose thereon.

At 8:04 p.m., the meeting was suspended.

At 8:09 p.m., the meeting resumed.

The debate continued

At 8:23 p.m., the committee adjourned to the call of the Chair.



Paul Cardegna
Clerk of the committee