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Minutes of Proceedings

45th Parliament, 1st Session
Meeting 12
Thursday, November 6, 2025, 3:34 p.m. to Thursday, November 20, 2025, 4:38 p.m.
Webcast
Presiding
James Maloney, Acting Chair (Liberal)

• John Barlow (Conservative)
• Lori Idlout (NDP)
Library of Parliament
• Lyne Casavant, Analyst
• Iryna Zazulya, Analyst
African Nova Scotian Justice Institute
• DeRico Symonds, Director, Engagement and Justice Initiatives
Canadian Constitution Foundation
• Christine Van Geyn, Litigation Director
Ligue des droits et libertés
• Lucia Flores Echaiz, Lawyer
• Lynda Khelil, spokesperson
The Canadian Bar Association
• Kyla Lee, Lawyer
Pursuant to the order of reference of Wednesday, October 1, 2025, the committee resumed consideration of Bill C-9, An Act to amend the Criminal Code (hate propaganda, hate crime and access to religious or cultural places).

DeRico Symonds, Christine Van Geyn, Lucia Flores Echaiz, Lynda Khelil and Kyla Lee made statements and answered questions.

Motion

Larry Brock moved, — That, given that the Supreme Court of Canada removed mandatory minimum sentences for offences related to child sexual exploitation, and incorrectly ruled that these mandatory minimum sentences were cruel and unusual; and given that the premiers of Alberta, Saskatchewan, and Ontario, as well as the Leader of the Official Opposition in Manitoba, have all publicly called for the use of the notwithstanding clause to overturn this decision; the committee call on the Government to invoke the Notwithstanding Clause to re-instate these mandatory minimum sentences for child sexual exploitation, and that this be reported to the House.

Debate arose thereon.

At 5:15 p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 115(5), it was agreed that the committee continue to sit.

Amendment

Patricia Lattanzio moved, — That the motion be amended by replacing the words “invoke the notwithstanding clause to reinstate these mandatory minimum sentences for child sexual exploitation, and that this be reported to the House” in the third paragraph with the following: “table legislation to address child sexual exploitation reaffirming Parliament’s unwavering commitment to protecting children and ensuring that offenders face the toughest sentences our justice system allows".

Debate arose thereon.

At 5:03 p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 115(5), it was agreed that the committee continue to sit.

RULING BY THE CHAIR

The Chair ruled the amendment in order as it respects the scope of the motion.

Whereupon, Larry Brock appealed the decision of the Chair.

The question: "Shall the decision of the Chair be sustained?" was put and the decision was sustained, by a show of hands: YEAS: 5; NAYS: 4.

The debate resumed.

Subamendment

Andrew Lawton moved, — That the amendment be amended by adding after the word “allows” the following: “provided that the Government table its legislative response to this Supreme Court of Canada ruling before the end of 2025, and that this motion be reported to the House”.

Debate arose thereon.

Motion

Larry Brock moved, — That the meeting be suspended.

The question was put on the motion and it was agreed to, by a show of hands: YEAS: 5; NAYS: 4.

At 6:30 p.m., the meeting was suspended to the call of the Chair.

At 3:45 p.m., on Tuesday, November 18, 2025, the meeting resumed.

The committee resumed consideration of the motion of Larry Brock moved on Thursday, November 6, 2025, which read as follows:

That, given that the Supreme Court of Canada removed mandatory minimum sentences for offences related to child sexual exploitation, and incorrectly ruled that these mandatory minimum sentences were cruel and unusual; and given that the premiers of Alberta, Saskatchewan, and Ontario, as well as the Leader of the Official Opposition in Manitoba, have all publicly called for the use of the notwithstanding clause to overturn this decision; the committee call on the Government to invoke the Notwithstanding Clause to re-instate these mandatory minimum sentences for child sexual exploitation, and that this be reported to the House.

and of the amendment of Patricia Lattanzio moved on Thursday, November 6, 2025, which read as follows:

That the motion be amended by replacing the words after “invoke the notwithstanding clause to reinstate these mandatory minimum sentences for child sexual exploitation, and that this be reported to the House” in the third paragraph with the following: “table legislation to address child sexual exploitation reaffirming Parliament’s unwavering commitment to protecting children and ensuring that offenders face the toughest sentences our justice system allows".

and of the subamendment of Andrew Lawton moved on Thursday, November 6, 2025, which read as follows:

That the amendment be amended by adding after the word “allows” the following: “provided that the Government table its legislative response to this Supreme Court of Canada ruling before the end of 2025, and that this motion be reported to the House”.

At 3:48 p.m., the meeting was suspended.

At 4:07 p.m., the meeting resumed.

Motion

Patricia Lattanzio moved, — That the committee proceed to the witnesses hearings on the study of the bail system, sentencing and the handling of repeat violent offenders in Canada.

The question was put on the motion and it was agreed to, by a show of hands: YEAS: 8; NAYS: 1.

RULING BY THE CHAIR

The Chair affirms that the committee resume its study of the bail system, sentencing and the handling of repeat violent offenders in Canada and hear from witnesses.

Whereupon, Rhéal Éloi Fortin appealed the decision of the Chair.

The question: "Shall the decision of the Chair be sustained?" was put and the decision was sustained, by a show of hands: YEAS: 8; NAYS: 1.

City of Brampton
• Patrick Brown, Mayor
Toronto Police Service
• Robert Johnson, Deputy Chief of Police
As an individual
• Jacqueline Beisel-Cobb, Accounts Receivable, Western Financial Group
• Brett Broadfoot
Canadian Crime Victim Foundation
• Lozanne Wamback, Co-Founder
End Violence Everywhere
• Cait Alexander, Founder
Pursuant to Standing Order 108(2) and the motion adopted by the committee on Tuesday, September 23, 2025, the committee resumed its study of the bail system, sentencing and the handling of repeat violent offenders in Canada.

Patrick Brown and Robert Johnson made statements and answered questions.

At 4:48 p.m., the meeting was suspended.

At 5:00 p.m., the meeting resumed.

Cate Alexander, Jacqueline Beisel-Cobb, Brent Broadfoot and Lozanne Womback made statements and answered questions.

The committee resumed consideration of the motion of Larry Brock, moved on Thursday, November 6, 2025, which read as follows:

That, given that the Supreme Court of Canada removed mandatory minimum sentences for offences related to child sexual exploitation, and incorrectly ruled that these mandatory minimum sentences were cruel and unusual; and given that the premiers of Alberta, Saskatchewan, and Ontario, as well as the Leader of the Official Opposition in Manitoba, have all publicly called for the use of the notwithstanding clause to overturn this decision; the committee call on the Government to invoke the Notwithstanding Clause to re-instate these mandatory minimum sentences for child sexual exploitation, and that this be reported to the House.

and of the amendment of Patricia Lattanzio moved on Thursday, November 6, 2025, which read as follows:

That the motion be amended by replacing the words “invoke the notwithstanding clause to reinstate these mandatory minimum sentences for child sexual exploitation, and that this be reported to the House” in the third paragraph with the following: “table legislation to address child sexual exploitation reaffirming Parliament’s unwavering commitment to protecting children and ensuring that offenders face the toughest sentences our justice system allows".

and of the subamendment of Andrew Lawton moved on Thursday, November 6, 2025, which read as follows:

That the amendment be amended by adding after the word “allows” the following: “provided that the Government table its legislative response to this Supreme Court of Canada ruling before the end of 2025, and that this motion be reported to the House”.

At 6:06 p.m., the meeting was suspended.

At 6:12 p.m., the meeting resumed.

Motion

Andrew Lawton moved, — That the meeting be suspended.

The question was put on the motion and it was agreed to, by a show of hands: YEAS: 5; NAYS: 4.

At 6:25 p.m., the meeting was suspended.

At 3:40 p.m., on Thursday, November 20, 2025, the meeting resumed.

The committee resumed consideration of the motion of Larry Brock, moved on Thursday, November 6, 2025, which read as follows:

That, given that the Supreme Court of Canada removed mandatory minimum sentences for offences related to child sexual exploitation, and incorrectly ruled that these mandatory minimum sentences were cruel and unusual; And given that the premiers of Alberta, Saskatchewan, and Ontario, as well as the Leader of the Official Opposition in Manitoba, have all publicly called for the use of the notwithstanding clause to overturn this decision; The committee call on the Government to invoke the Notwithstanding Clause to re-instate these mandatory minimum sentences for child sexual exploitation, and that this be reported to the House.

and of the amendment of Patricia Lattanzio moved on Thursday, November 6, 2025, which read as follows:

That the motion be amended by replacing the words after “invoke the notwithstanding clause to reinstate these mandatory minimum sentences for child sexual exploitation, and that this be reported to the House” in the third paragraph with the following: “table legislation to address child sexual exploitation reaffirming Parliament’s unwavering commitment to protecting children and ensuring that offenders face the toughest sentences our justice system allows".

and of the subamendment of Andrew Lawton moved on Thursday, November 6, 2025, which read as follows:

That the amendment be amended by adding after the word “allows” the following: “provided that the Government table its legislative response to this Supreme Court of Canada ruling before the end of 2025, and that this motion be reported to the House”.

The question was put on the subamendment of Andrew Lawton and it was agreed to, by a show of hands: YEAS: 5; NAYS: 4.

The question was put on the amendment of Patricia Lattanzio, as amended, and it was agreed to, by a show of hands: YEAS: 5; NAYS: 3.

The committee resumed consideration of the motion, as amended, of Larry Brock which read as follows:

That, given that the Supreme Court of Canada removed mandatory minimum sentences for offences related to child sexual exploitation, and incorrectly ruled that these mandatory minimum sentences were cruel and unusual; and given that the premiers of Alberta, Saskatchewan, and Ontario, as well as the Leader of the Official Opposition in Manitoba, have all publicly called for the use of the notwithstanding clause to overturn this decision; the committee call on the Government to table legislation to address child sexual exploitation reaffirming Parliament’s unwavering commitment to protecting children and ensuring that offenders face the toughest sentences our justice system allows, provided that the Government table its legislative response to this Supreme Court of Canada ruling before the end of 2025, and that this motion be reported to the House.

The debate arose thereon on the motion as amended.

Amendment

Patricia Lattanzio moved, — That the motion be amended by adding at the end of the motion the following: “; and that the meeting of this Thursday, November 20, 2025, be the final meeting with witnesses on Bill C-9. Clause by clause on Bill C-9 will commence on Thursday, November 27, 2025, and continue for as many meetings as required without interruption by any other subject. The deadline to submit amendments to Bill C-9 will be on Monday, November 24, 2025, at 4 p.m”.

RULING BY THE CHAIR

The Chair rules the amendment out of order as it is introducing a foreign concept to the motion.

The debate continued.

On motion of Rhéal Éloi Fortin, it was agreed, — That the motion as amended be amended by deleting the word “incorrectly”.

The question was put on the motion, as amended, and it was agreed to, by a show of hands: YEAS: 9; NAYS: 0.

The motion, as amended, read as follows:

That, given that the Supreme Court of Canada removed mandatory minimum sentences for offences related to child sexual exploitation, and ruled that these mandatory minimum sentences were cruel and unusual; and given that the premiers of Alberta, Saskatchewan, and Ontario, as well as the Leader of the Official Opposition in Manitoba, have all publicly called for the use of the notwithstanding clause to overturn this decision; the committee call on the Government to table legislation to address child sexual exploitation reaffirming Parliament’s unwavering commitment to protecting children and ensuring that offenders face the toughest sentences that our justice system allows, provided that the Government table its legislative response to this Supreme Court of Canada ruling before the end of 2025, and that this motion be reported to the House.

The Chair informs that the members of the committee submit to the clerk all of their proposed amendments to Bill C-9 no later than 4 p.m. on Monday, November 24, 2025.

Pursuant to Standing Order 108(2) and the motion adopted by the committee at the meeting convened on Thursday, November 6, 2025, the committee commenced its study of mandatory minimum sentences for offences related to child sexual exploitation.

ORDERED, — That the Chair present the report to the House.

At 4:38 p.m., the committee adjourned to the call of the Chair.



Jean-François Lafleur
Clerk of the committee