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Committee Evidence - ENVI-46

2023-02-02

Lib. (QC)

Francis Scarpaleggia (Lac-Saint-Louis)

2023-02-02 15:44

I call the meeting to order.

Good afternoon. I'd like to welcome Mr. Zimmer, who's joining our committee today for clause-by-clause of Bill S-5.

We have with us again Mr. Carreau, Ms. Farquharson and Madam Gonçalves.

(On clause 16.1)

I'm just going to take a minute to situate myself. I believe, G-12 had been tabled, so it's on the floor. We're opening the discussion on it. Would anyone like to speak to G-12?

Do you have your hand up, Ms. Collins?

S-5, An Act to amend the Canadian Enviro ...

NDP (BC)

Laurel Collins (Victoria)

2023-02-02 15:46

I do. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

In our last meeting I had proposed a subamendment. After speaking to members of the committee, I don't have support for the subamendment. In the interest of time, I'm not going to move it.

I can speak more maybe after other members of the committee speak.

Lib. (QC)

Francis Scarpaleggia (Lac-Saint-Louis)

2023-02-02 15:46

Okay.

Would anyone like to speak to this amendment?

Mr. Weiler.

Lib. (BC)

Patrick Weiler (West Vancouver—Sunshine Coast—Sea to Sky Country)

2023-02-02 15:46

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

I'd like to propose a subamendment to this amendment.

Currently, the amendment says:

The Ministers shall, to the extent practicable, use scientifically justified alternative methods and strategies to replace, reduce or refine the use of vertebrate animals in the generation of data and the conduct of investigations under paragraph 68(a).

Then proposed subsection (2) would say, “For the purposes of subsection (1), methods and strategies to refine the use of vertebrate animals”. Here I want to strike “shall” and add “include minimizing”, and then from there it continues “pain and distress caused to vertebrate animals in the generation of data and the conduct of investigations under paragraph 68(a).”

Lib. (QC)

Francis Scarpaleggia (Lac-Saint-Louis)

2023-02-02 15:47

Can you send it in writing to the clerk? It can't be distributed to everyone, because it's not bilingual, as far as I know. The clerks would like to see a written version.

Mr. Patrick Weiler: Gladly.

The Chair: In the meantime, after you've done that, of course, we can open discussion on the subamendment.

We have Ms. Collins, please.

NDP (BC)

Laurel Collins (Victoria)

2023-02-02 15:48

I appreciate the intent of this motion in general. I think the addition is valuable, and I think the addition of the subamendment is also valuable.

I will be voting in favour of the subamendment but, in the end, voting against the amendment, just because it is deleting an important section about what the minister shall not do and really taking out some of the checkpoints and the requirements to answer this question each time.

I really appreciate the additions that are being added here, and I appreciate the work of both Ms. Taylor Roy and Mr. Weiler.

Lib. (QC)

Francis Scarpaleggia (Lac-Saint-Louis)

2023-02-02 15:49

Yes, we have Ms. Taylor Roy.

Lib. (ON)

Leah Taylor Roy (Aurora—Oak Ridges—Richmond Hill)

2023-02-02 15:49

I just want to comment on that.

I did meet with some of the animal rights groups—Animal Justice and Dr. Chandrasekera—after the last meeting to discuss this. They're satisfied with this. It has the positive intent of advocating for increased use of non-animal testing to support that kind of research and development in that area.

On the subamendment that Mr. Weiler just made, it also addressed the issue of “refine”, which some people want to remove and some want to include, but it just tried to tailor that to specify that it was only talking about basically reducing pain when it came to the refinements.

I do think this amendment is very much supported by the animal rights activists. I would hope that people will support this as well.

Thank you.

Lib. (QC)

Francis Scarpaleggia (Lac-Saint-Louis)

2023-02-02 15:50

Is there anyone else?

Mr. Kurek.

CPC (AB)

Damien Kurek (Battle River—Crowfoot)

2023-02-02 15:50

Thank you, Chair.

I know that the subamendment was read into the record and there was talk about it being sent. I am just wondering if we can have the exact wording read again. Thank you.

Lib. (QC)

Francis Scarpaleggia (Lac-Saint-Louis)

2023-02-02 15:50