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Minutes of Proceedings
Conservative
Bloc Québécois
Karen Hogan, Arianne Reza and Jacqueline Bogden made statements and, with the other witnesses, answered questions.
At 6:17 p.m., the meeting was suspended.
At 6:21 p.m., the meeting resumed.
Kristina Tesser Derksen moved, — That the committee invite Cliff Groen, Associate Deputy Minister, and senior officials from the Department of Employment and Social Development, from Treasury Board Secretariat, and from the Ministry of Government Transformation, Public Works and Procurement, for a period of two hours to answer parliamentarians' questions on the management of benefits payment modernization and its impact.
Debate arose thereon.
Sébastien Lemire moved, — That the motion be amended by adding after the words “Associate Deputy Minister” the following: “John Ostrander, former Technical Lead, Benefits Delivery Modernization”.
Debate arose thereon.
After debate, the question was put on the amendment of Sébastien Lemire and it was agreed to.
The question was put on the motion, as amended, and it was agreed to.
The motion, as amended, read as follows:
That the committee invite Cliff Groen, Associate Deputy Minister, John Ostrander, former Technical Lead, Benefits Delivery Modernization and senior officials from the Department of Employment and Social Development, from Treasury Board Secretariat, from the Ministry of Government Transformation, Public Works and Procurement, for a period of two hours to answer parliamentarians' questions on the management of benefits payment modernization and its impact.
Sébastien Lemire moved, — That the committee resume debate on the motion, as amended, moved on Monday, April 27, 2026.
The question was put on the motion and it was negatived on the following recorded division:
YEAS: Gérard Deltell, Stephanie Kusie, Sébastien Lemire, William Stevenson — 4;
NAYS: Michael Ma, Ron McKinnon, Tom Osborne, Kristina Tesser Derksen, Jean Yip — 5.
At 6:37 p.m., the meeting was suspended.
At 6:41 p.m., the meeting resumed in camera.
It was agreed, — That, in relation to the Commonwealth Association of Public Accounts Committees conference, the proposed budget in the amount of $31,914.68, for the committee’s travel to Port of Spain, Trinidad and Tobago, from June 7 to 11, 2026, be adopted.
At 6:48 p.m., the committee adjourned to the call of the Chair.