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Minutes of Proceedings

45th Parliament, 1st Session
Meeting 28
Monday, March 23, 2026, 11:06 a.m. to 1:06 p.m.
Televised
Presiding
John Williamson, Chair (Conservative)

House of Commons
• Alexie Labelle, Legislative Clerk
• Nellie Winters, Legislative Clerk
 
Library of Parliament
• Joëlle Malo, Analyst
• Dillan Theckedath, Analyst
Office of the Auditor General
• Karen Hogan, Auditor General of Canada
• Andrew Hayes, Deputy Auditor General
• Nathalie Chartrand, Principal
• Jean Goulet, Principal
• Sami Hannoush, Principal
• Normand Lanthier, Principal
• Gabriel Lombardi, Principal
Pursuant to Standing Order 108(3)(g), the committee commenced consideration of the 2026 Spring Reports of the Auditor General of Canada, referred to the committee on Monday, March 23, 2026.

Karen Hogan made a statement and, with the other witnesses, answered questions.

At 12:03 p.m., the meeting was suspended.

At 12:12 p.m., the meeting resumed.

Canada Revenue Agency
• Isabelle Brault, Director General, Legislative Policy Directorate, Legislative Policy and Regulatory Affairs Branch
• Jennifer Boudens, Acting Director General, Finance and Administration Branch
• Charly Norris, Acting Director General, Collections and Verification Branch
Department of Finance
• Lauchlin MacEachern, Acting Director General, Legislation, Tax Policy Branch
Treasury Board Secretariat
• Tomasz Popiel, Senior Director, Financial Management Policy
• Ralphe Jabbour, Director, Financial Management Policy
Pursuant to the order of reference of Monday, February 9, 2026, the committee commenced consideration of Bill C-230, An Act to amend the Financial Administration Act and to make consequential amendments to other Acts (debt forgiveness registry).

The witnesses answered questions.

The committee commenced its clause-by-clause study of the Bill.

The Chair called Clause 1.

On Clause 1,

Ryan Turnbull moved, — That Bill C-230, in Clause 1, be amended

(a) by replacing line 8 on page 1 with the following:

“online, searchable database containing information relating to”

(b) by replacing line 10 on page 1 with the following:

“pany or partnership to His Majesty — and to any claim by”

(c) by replacing lines 12 to 18 on page 1 with the following:

“partnership — that was, in whole or in part, remitted, forgiven, written off or waived, under this or any other Act of Parliament, in an amount of $5,000,000 or more.”

Debate arose thereon.

Stephanie Kusie moved, — That the amendment be amended by replacing the word “5,000,000” with the word “2,000,000”.

After debate, the question was put on the subamendment of Stephanie Kusie and it was agreed to.

The question was put on the amendment of Ryan Turnbull, as amended, and it was agreed to.

Ryan Turnbull moved, — That Bill C-230, in Clause 1, be amended by replacing line 22 on page 1 to line 7 on page 2 with the following:

“poration, trust company or partnership;

(b) the amount that was remitted, forgiven, written off or waived;

(c) an indication of whether the debt, obligation or claim was remitted, forgiven, written off or waived;

(d) the fiscal year in which the debt, obligation or claim was remitted, forgiven, written off or waived;

(e) the Act of Parliament or agreement, arrangement, contract or other instrument or act under which the debt, obligation or claim arose;

(f) the Act of Parliament under which the debt, obligation or claim was remitted, forgiven, written off or waived; and

(g) any other information that the President of the Treasury Board considers appropriate.”

After debate, the question was put on the amendment of Ryan Turnbull and it was agreed to.

Ryan Turnbull moved, — That Bill C-230, in Clause 1, be amended by adding after line 7 on page 2 the following:

“Exception

(3) Despite subsection (2), the President of the Treasury Board may exclude from the registry any information that, in their opinion, would be inappropriate to make publicly accessible for reasons related to the protection of confidential, personal or sensitive information.

Establishment of registry

(4) The registry must be established within 18 months after the day on which this section comes into force and, on the day that it is established, must include information relating to each debt, obligation or claim referred to in subsection (1) that was remitted, forgiven, written off or waived — after the day on which this section comes into force — during the fiscal year to which the Public Accounts most recently tabled in the House of Commons relate.

Maintenance of registry

(5) Within 90 days after the day on which the Public Accounts are tabled in the House of Commons, the President of the Treasury Board must update the registry to include information relating to each debt, obligation or claim referred to in subsection (1) that was remitted, forgiven, written off or waived during the fiscal year to which the tabled Public Accounts relate.

For greater certainty

(6) For greater certainty, for the purposes of this section, a debt or obligation owed to a Crown corporation is not a debt or obligation owed to His Majesty and a claim by a Crown corporation is not a claim by His Majesty.”

Debate arose thereon.

At 1:06 p.m., the committee adjourned to the call of the Chair.



Natalie Jeanneault
Clerk of the committee