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Minutes of Proceedings

Standing Committee on Public Accounts (PACP)
45th Parliament, 1st Session
Meeting 27
Wednesday, March 11, 2026, 4:01 p.m. to 6:01 p.m.
Webcast
Presiding
Jean Yip, Vice-Chair (Liberal)

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• William Stevenson (Conservative)
• Adam Chambers (Conservative)
Library of Parliament
• Joëlle Malo, Analyst
• Dillan Theckedath, Analyst
Bill C-230, An Act to amend the Financial Administration Act and to make consequential amendments to other Acts (debt forgiveness registry)
Canada Revenue Agency
• Isabelle Brault, Director General, Legislative Policy Directorate, Legislative Policy and Regulatory Affairs Branch
• Jennifer Boudens, Acting Director General, Finance and Administration Branch
• Charly Norris, Acting Director General, Collections and Verification Branch
Department of Finance
• Lauchlin MacEachern, Acting Director General, Legislation, Tax Policy Branch
Treasury Board Secretariat
• John Daley, Senior Director, Public Accounts and Advisory Services
Pursuant to the order of reference of Monday, February 9, 2026, the committee resumed consideration of Bill C-230, An Act to amend the Financial Administration Act and to make consequential amendments to other Acts (debt forgiveness registry).

John Daley and Lauchlin MacEachern made statements and, with the other witnesses, answered questions.

At 5:06 p.m., the meeting was suspended.

At 5:15 p.m., the meeting resumed in camera.

It was agreed, — That the committee proceed to sit in public.

At 5:16 p.m., the meeting was suspended.

At 5:18 p.m., the meeting resumed in public.

Cost Overruns on Information Technology Contracts
Pursuant to Standing Order 108(3)(g), the committee commenced its study of cost overruns on information technology contracts.

Motion

Gérard Deltell moved, — That the committee resume consideration of the motion of Sébastien Lemire, moved on Monday, March 9, 2026, which read as follows:

That the committee report to the House to request that the government establish a public and independent inquiry into cost overruns on IT contracts, including Phenix, ArriveCAN and Benefit Delivery Modernization.

Debate arose thereon.

Amendment

Kristina Tesser Derksen moved, — That the motion be amended by:

  1. deleting the words “a public and” and “overruns”; and
  2. adding the words “and that the inquiry also examine the accumulated costs of maintaining legacy systems and the risks associated with them.” after the words “Benefit Delivery Modernization”.

Debate arose thereon.

After debate, the question was put on the amendment of Kristina Tesser Derksen and it was negatived on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Ron McKinnon, Tom Osborne, Kristina Tesser Derksen — 3;

NAYS: Gérard Deltell, Ned Kuruc, Stephanie Kusie, Sébastien Lemire — 4.

The debate resumed on the motion.

After debate, the question was put on the motion and it was agreed to on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Gérard Deltell, Ned Kuruc, Stephanie Kusie, Sébastien Lemire, Ron McKinnon, Tom Osborne, Kristina Tesser Derksen — 7;

NAYS: — 0.

The motion read as follows:

That the committee report to the House to request that the government establish a public and independent inquiry into cost overruns on IT contracts, including the Phoenix pay system, ArriveCAN and Benefits Delivery Modernization programme.

ORDERED, — That the Chair present the report to the House.

At 5:44 p.m., the meeting was suspended.

At 5:49 p.m., the meeting resumed in camera.

Report 4, National Trade Corridors Fund—Transport Canada, of the 2024 Reports 2 to 4 of the Auditor General of Canada
Pursuant to Standing Order 108(3)(g), the committee commenced consideration of Report 4, National Trade Corridors Fund—Transport Canada, of the 2024 Reports 2 to 4 of the Auditor General of Canada referred to the committee on Tuesday, March 19, 2024.

The committee commenced consideration of a draft report.

At 6:01 p.m., the committee adjourned to the call of the Chair.



Natalie Jeanneault
Clerk of the committee