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Minutes of Proceedings

45th Parliament, 1st Session
Meeting 19
Tuesday, December 2, 2025, 11:01 a.m. to 1:18 p.m.
Webcast
Presiding
Kelly McCauley, Chair (Conservative)

Library of Parliament
• Olivier Leblanc-Laurendeau, Analyst
• Mehrab Kiarsi, Analyst
Office of the Parliamentary Budget Officer
• Jason Jacques, Interim Parliamentary Budget Officer
• Mark Mahabir, Director General and General Counsel, Costing and Budgetary
• Govindadeva Bernier, Director, Budgetary Analysis
• Mark Creighton, Senior Analyst
• Régine Cléophat, Analyst
Pursuant to Standing Order 81(5), the committee resumed consideration of the Supplementary Estimates (B), 2025-26: Vote 1b under Canada School of Public Service, Vote 1b under Department of Public Works and Government Services, Vote 1b under Privy Council Office, Vote 1b under Public Service Commission, Vote 1b under Shared Services Canada and Votes 1b, 10b, 15b and 20b under Treasury Board Secretariat, referred to the committee on Friday, November 7, 2025.

The Chair called Vote 1b under Canada School of Public Service.

Jason Jacques made a statement and, with the other witnesses, answered questions.

Motion

Kelly Block moved, — That the committee send for a copy of all documents required to satisfy the Parliamentary Budget Officer’s information requests 852, 859, 860, 861, 862 and 864, provided that: (a) these documents shall be (i) deposited with the clerk of the committee within one week of the adoption of this order, and (ii) kept in confidence by the clerk and made accessible only to the Parliamentary Budget Officer and his staff; (b) if the Parliamentary Budget Officer is not satisfied that the documents were produced as ordered, he shall promptly notify the Chair and the clerk who, in turn, shall prepare a report to the House, which the Chair shall table forthwith, outlining the material facts of the matter.

Debate arose thereon.

Amendment

Marie-Hélène Gaudreau moved, — That the motion be amended by replacing the words “(a) these documents shall be (i) deposited with the clerk of the committee within one week of the adoption of this order” with the words “(a) these documents shall be (i) deposited with the clerk of the committee within two weeks of the adoption of this order”.

After debate, the question was put on the amendment and the result of the vote was announced:

YEAS: Kelly Block, Marie-Hélène Gaudreau, Tamara Jansen, Jeremy Patzer — 4;

NAYS: Vince Gasparro, Iqra Khalid, Pauline Rochefort, Jenna Sudds — 4.

Whereupon, the Chair voted in the affirmative.

Accordingly, the amendment was agreed to.

The debate on the motion, as amended, continued

Amendment

Jenna Sudds moved, — That the motion be amended by replacing the words “(b) if the Parliamentary Budget Officer is not satisfied that the documents were produced as ordered, he shall promptly notify the Chair and the clerk who, in turn, shall prepare a report to the House, which the Chair shall table forthwith, outlining the material facts of the matter” with the words “(b) if the Parliamentary Budget Officer is not satisfied that the documents were produced as ordered, he shall promptly notify the Chair and the clerk who, in turn, shall set aside time to discuss next steps”.

After debate, the question was put on the amendment of Jenna Sudds and it was negatived on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Vince Gasparro, Pauline Rochefort, Jenna Sudds — 3;

NAYS: Kelly Block, Marie-Hélène Gaudreau, Tamara Jansen, Jeremy Patzer — 4.

The question was put on the motion, as amended, and the result of the vote was announced:

YEAS: Kelly Block, Marie-Hélène Gaudreau, Tamara Jansen, Jeremy Patzer — 4;

NAYS: Vince Gasparro, Iqra Khalid, Pauline Rochefort, Jenna Sudds — 4.

Whereupon, the Chair voted in the affirmative.

Accordingly, the motion, as amended, was agreed to.

The motion, as amended, read as follows:

ORDERED, - That the committee send for a copy of all documents required to satisfy the Parliamentary Budget Officer’s information requests 852, 859, 860, 861, 862 and 864, provided that: (a) these documents shall be (i) deposited with the clerk of the committee within two weeks of the adoption of this order, and (ii) kept in confidence by the clerk and made accessible only to the Parliamentary Budget Officer and his staff; (b) if the Parliamentary Budget Officer is not satisfied that the documents were produced as ordered, he shall promptly notify the Chair and the clerk who, in turn, shall prepare a report to the House, which the Chair shall table forthwith, outlining the material facts of the matter.

By unanimous consent, the Chair called Vote 1b under Department of Public Works and Government Services, Vote 1b under Privy Council Office, Vote 1b under Public Service Commission, Vote 1b under Shared Services Canada and Votes 1b, 10b, 15b and 20b under Treasury Board Secretariat.

Vote 1b under Canada School of Public Service, Vote 1b under Department of Public Works and Government Services, Vote 1b under Privy Council Office, Vote 1b under Public Service Commission, Vote 1b under Shared Services Canada and Votes 1b, 10b, 15b and 20b under Treasury Board Secretariat carried on division.

ORDERED, — That the Chair report Vote 1b under Canada School of Public Service, Vote 1b under Department of Public Works and Government Services, Vote 1b under Privy Council Office, Vote 1b under Public Service Commission, Vote 1b under Shared Services Canada and Votes 1b, 10b, 15b and 20b under Treasury Board Secretariat to the House.

At 1:18 p.m., the committee adjourned to the call of the Chair.



Marc-Olivier Girard
Clerk of the committee