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Minutes of Proceedings

45th Parliament, 1st Session
Meeting 16
Thursday, November 20, 2025, 11:03 a.m. to 1:31 p.m.
Televised
Presiding
Kelly McCauley, Chair (Conservative)

• Karim Bardeesy for Hon. Jenna Sudds (Liberal)
• Jacques Gourde for Jeremy Patzer (Conservative)
• Viviane Lapointe for Hon. Jenna Sudds (Liberal)
• Philip Lawrence for Jeremy Patzer (Conservative)
• Sameer Zuberi for Vince Gasparro (Liberal)
Library of Parliament
• Olivier Leblanc-Laurendeau, Analyst
• Ryan van den Berg, Analyst
Office of the Parliamentary Budget Officer
• Jason Jacques, Interim Parliamentary Budget Officer
• Kristina Grinshpoon, Director, Fiscal Analysis
• Mark Mahabir, Director General and General Counsel, Costing and Budgetary
• Diarra Sourang, Director, Economic Analysis
• Caroline Nicol, Advisor-Analyst
Pursuant to Standing Order 108(3)(c), the committee proceeded to a briefing with the Interim Parliamentary Budget Officer on his extensive analysis of the government’s 2025 budget.

Jason Jacques made a statement and, with the other witnesses, answered questions.

The committee proceeded to the consideration of matters related to committee business.

Motion

Kelly Block moved, — That the committee recommend that the Prime Minister’s Office and Privy Council Office submit to the committee a short list of candidates for the permanent Parliamentary Budget Officer position; that the committee conduct interviews with the shortlisted candidates as part of the consultation process specified in the Parliament of Canada Act; and that, unless otherwise decided by unanimous consent of the House of Commons, an appointment to the position of Parliamentary Budget Officer shall be made only if the nominee has been selected by the unanimous agreement of the committee, which includes members from each recognized party in the House; and that the House be so informed by way of a report from this committee.

Debate arose thereon.

At 12:35 p.m., the meeting was suspended.

At 12:41 p.m., the meeting resumed.

A point of order was raised as to the procedural acceptability of the proposed motion.

RULING BY THE CHAIR

The Chair ruled the motion admissible and that it may be moved without 48 hours' notice since it related directly to the business then under consideration.

Whereupon, Iqra Khalid appealed the decision of the Chair.

The question: ''Shall the decision of the Chair be sustained?'' was put and the decision was sustained on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Kelly Block, Marie-Hélène Gaudreau, Tamara Jansen, Philip Lawrence - 4;

NAYS: Karim Bardeesy, Vince Gasparro, Iqra Khalid, Pauline Rochefort - 4.

Accordingly, the Chair's decision was sustained.

The debate continued

Amendment

Marie-Hélène Gaudreau moved, — That the motion be amended by adding before the words “That the committee recommend” the following: “That, pursuant to Standing Order 108(3)(c), the committee mandate its Subcommittee on Agenda and Procedure to consider nominations for the position of Parliamentary Budget Officer; that the committee’s routine motions apply to the subcommittee;”, by deleting the words ''That the committee recommend'', by replacing the words “submit to the committee” with the words “submit to the subcommittee”, by adding after the words ''shortlist of candidates'' the following: '', no later than 14 days after the adoption of this motion,'', by replacing the words ''that the committee conduct'' with the words ''that the subcommittee deliberate in camera and review the nominations and, if necessary, conduct'', and by replacing the words ''unanimous agreement of the committee'' with the words ''unanimous agreement of the subcommittee''.

Debate arose thereon.

Motion

Iqra Khalid moved, — That the committee do now adjourn.

The question was put on the motion and the result of the vote was announced:

YEAS: Karim Bardeesy, Vince Gasparro, Iqra Khalid, Pauline Rochefort — 4;

NAYS: Kelly Block, Marie-Hélène Gaudreau, Jacques Gourde, Tamara Jansen — 4.

Whereupon, the Chair voted in the negative.

Accordingly, the motion was negatived.

The question was put on the amendment and the result of the vote was announced:

YEAS: Kelly Block, Marie-Hélène Gaudreau, Jacques Gourde, Tamara Jansen — 4;

NAYS: Iqra Khalid, Viviane Lapointe, Pauline Rochefort, Sameer Zuberi — 4.

Whereupon, the Chair voted in the affirmative.

Accordingly, the amendment was agreed to.

After debate, the question was put on the motion, as amended, and the result of the vote was announced:

YEAS: Kelly Block, Marie-Hélène Gaudreau, Jacques Gourde, Tamara Jansen — 4;

NAYS: Iqra Khalid, Viviane Lapointe, Pauline Rochefort, Sameer Zuberi — 4.

Whereupon, the Chair voted in the affirmative.

Accordingly, the motion, as amended, was agreed to.

The motion, as amended, read as follows:

That, pursuant to Standing Order 108(3)(c), the committee mandate its Subcommittee on Agenda and Procedure to consider nominations for the position of Parliamentary Budget Officer; that the committee’s routine motions apply to the subcommittee; that the Office of the Prime Minister and the Privy Council Office submit to the subcommittee a short list of candidates, no later than 14 days after the adoption of this motion, for the permanent Parliamentary Budget Officer position; that the subcommittee deliberate in camera and review the nominations and, if necessary, conduct interviews with the shortlisted candidates as part of the consultation process specified in the Parliament of Canada Act; and that, unless otherwise decided by unanimous consent of the House, an appointment to the position of Parliamentary Budget Officer shall be made only if the nominee has been selected by unanimous agreement of the subcommittee, which includes members from each recognized party in the House; and that the House be so informed by way of a report from the committee.

At 1:31 p.m., the committee adjourned to the call of the Chair.



Marc-Olivier Girard
Clerk of the committee