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Minutes of Proceedings

44th Parliament, 1st Session
Meeting 115
Tuesday, August 13, 2024, 10:03 a.m. to 10:57 a.m.
Webcast
Presiding
Ron McKinnon, Chair (Liberal)

Library of Parliament
• Sabrina Charland, Analyst
Pursuant to Standing Order 106(4), the committee commenced consideration of the request by members of the committee to study the request to call the Minister of Public Safety and the Minister of Immigration, Refugees and Citizenship Canada to discuss security concerns.

Motion

Jennifer O'Connell moved, — That, pursuant to Standing Order 108(2), the committee invite as soon as possible the Minister of Public Safety, the Minister of Immigration Refugees and Citizenship Canada, and relevant departmental officials to discuss the foiled terrorist plot in Toronto, the security screening process in place to review permanent residence and citizenship application to ensure that individuals who have engaged in acts of terror are unable to enter Canada, and why Ahmed Fouad Mostafa Eldidi was admitted to Canada.

Debate arose thereon.

A point of order was raised regarding the order of the speaking list.

RULING BY THE CHAIR

The Chair ruled to maintain the order of the speaking list.

Whereupon, Frank Caputo appealed the decision of the Chair.

The question: "Shall the decision of the Chair be sustained?" was put and the decision was sustained on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Chris Bittle, Iqwinder Gaheer, Nathaniel Erskine‑Smith, Jennifer O’Connell, Salma Zahid, Heather McPherson — 6;

NAYS: Frank Caputo, Jamil Jivani, Glen Motz, Doug Shipley — 4.

Accordingly, the Chair's decision was sustained.

At 10:08 a.m., the meeting was suspended.

At 10:40 a.m., the meeting resumed.

The debate resumed on the motion of Jennifer O'Connell.
Amendment

Frank Caputo moved, — That the motion be amended by adding the words "Former Minister of Public Safety and current High Commissioner to the United Kingdom, Ralph Goodale, Commissioner of the RCMP, Michael Duheme, Interim Director of CSIS, Vanessa Lloyd, President of the CBSA, Erin O’Gorman, Deputy Minister of Public Safety Canada, Shawn Tupper, Deputy Minister of Immigration, Refugees and Citizenship Canada, Dr. Harpreet S. Kochharand, and relevant departmental officials, and have six meetings with two the week of August 26th, and priority given to the Ministers appearances", after the words "the Minister of Immigration Refugees and Citizenship Canada;", by replacing the word "why" before the words "Ahmed Fouad Mostafa Eldidi" by the word ''how'', and by adding the words "and obtained citizenship" after the words "was admitted to Canada".

Debate arose thereon.

A point of order was raised as to the procedural admissibility of part of the proposed amendment.

RULING BY THE CHAIR

The Chair ruled that the part of the proposed amendment to add the words "and have six meetings with two the week of August 26th, and priority given to the Ministers appearances" is inadmissible as an amendment and should instead be proposed as a subamendment.

Whereupon, Frank Caputo appealed the decision of the Chair.

The question: "Shall the decision of the Chair be sustained?" was put and the decision was sustained on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Chris Bittle, Iqwinder Gaheer, Nathaniel Erskine‑Smith, Jennifer O’Connell, Salma Zahid, Heather McPherson — 6;

NAYS: Frank Caputo, Jamil Jivani, Glen Motz, Doug Shipley, Rhéal Éloi Fortin — 5.

Accordingly, the Chair's decision was sustained.

The debate resumed on the amendment of Frank Caputo.

Subamendment

It was moved, — That the amendment be amended by adding the words ", and have six meetings with two the week of August 26th, and priority given to the Ministers appearances", after the words "the Minister of Immigration Refugees and Citizenship Canada;".

Debate arose thereon.

The question was put on the subamendment and it was agreed to on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Chris Bittle, Iqwinder Gaheer, James Maloney, Jennifer O’Connell, Salma Zahid, Frank Caputo, Jamil Jivani, Glen Motz, Doug Shipley, Rhéal Éloi Fortin, Heather McPherson – 11;

NAYS: 0.

The question was put on the amendment of Frank Caputo, as amended, and it was agreed to on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Chris Bittle, Frank Caputo, Rhéal Éloi Fortin, Iqwinder Gaheer, Jamil Jivani, James Maloney, Heather McPherson, Glen Motz, Jennifer O'Connell, Doug Shipley, Salma Zahid — 11;

NAYS: — 0.

The question was put on the motion, as amended, and it was agreed to on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Chris Bittle, Frank Caputo, Rhéal Éloi Fortin, Iqwinder Gaheer, Jamil Jivani, James Maloney, Heather McPherson, Glen Motz, Jennifer O'Connell, Doug Shipley, Salma Zahid — 11;

NAYS: — 0.

The motion, as amended, read as follow:

That, pursuant to Standing Order 108(2), the committee invite as soon as possible:

  • the Minister of Public Safety,
  • the Minister of Immigration Refugees and Citizenship Canada,
  • Former Minister of Public Safety and current High Commissioner to the United Kingdom, Ralph Goodale,
  • Commissioner of the RCMP, Michael Duheme,
  • Interim Director of CSIS, Vanessa Lloyd,
  • President of the CBSA, Erin O’Gorman,
  • Deputy Minister of Public Safety Canada, Shawn Tupper,
  • Deputy Minister of Immigration, Refugees and Citizenship Canada, Dr. Harpreet S. Kochharand,
  • and relevant departmental officials,

and have six meetings with two the week of August 26th, and priority be given to the Ministers appearances, to discuss the foiled terrorist plot in Toronto, the security screening process in place to review permanent residence and citizenship application to ensure that individuals who have engaged in acts of terror are unable to enter Canada, and how Ahmed Fouad Mostafa Eldidi was admitted to Canada and obtained citizenship.

On motion of Jennifer O'Connell, it was agreed, — That the committee do now adjourn.

At 10:57 a.m., the committee adjourned to the call of the Chair.



Ariane Calvert
Committee clerk