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Minutes of Proceedings

43rd Parliament, 2nd Session
Meeting 37
Wednesday, June 2, 2021, 4:33 p.m. to 7:40 p.m.
Televised
Presiding
Francis Scarpaleggia, Chair (Liberal)

House of Commons
• Jacques Maziade, Legislative Clerk
• Émilie Thivierge, Legislative Clerk
 
Library of Parliament
• Natacha Kramski, Analyst
• Ross Linden-Fraser, Analyst
Department of Finance
• Samuel Millar, Director General, Corporate Finance, Natural Resources and Environment, Economic Development and Corporate Finance
Department of the Environment
• John Moffet, Assistant Deputy Minister, Environmental Protection Branch
• Vincent Ngan, Director General, Horizontal Policy, Engagement and Coordination
Pursuant to the order of reference of Tuesday, May 4, 2021, the committee resumed consideration of Bill C-12, An Act respecting transparency and accountability in Canada's efforts to achieve net-zero greenhouse gas emissions by the year 2050.

The Committee resumed clause-by-clause consideration on Clause 11 of the Bill.

Pursuant to the order adopted by the committee on Thursday, October 8, 2020, the following amendment, submitted by Elizabeth May for the consideration of the committee, was deemed moved:

That Bill C-12, in Clause 11, be amended by replacing line 15 on page 5 with the following:

“that is consistent with the purpose of this Act and with the commitment to ratchet up targets that has been taken under the Paris Agreement, done in Paris on December 12, 2015.”

After debate, the question was put on the amendment of Elizabeth May and it was negatived on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Monique Pauzé — 1;

NAYS: Dan Albas, Taylor Bachrach, Yvan Baker, Chris Bittle, Matt Jeneroux, Lloyd Longfield, Cathy McLeod, Brad Redekopp, Raj Saini, Ya’ara Saks — 10.

After debate, Clause 11 carried on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Taylor Bachrach, Yvan Baker, Chris Bittle, Lloyd Longfield, Monique Pauzé, Raj Saini, Ya’ara Saks — 7;

NAYS: Dan Albas, Matt Jeneroux, Cathy McLeod, Brad Redekopp — 4.

On Clause 12,

Dan Albas moved, — That Bill C-12, in Clause 12, be amended by replacing line 16 on page 5 with the following:

“12 When advising the Governor in Council on the establishment or amendment of an emissions reduc-”

The question was put on the amendment of Dan Albas and it was negatived on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Dan Albas, Matt Jeneroux, Cathy McLeod, Brad Redekopp — 4;

NAYS: Taylor Bachrach, Yvan Baker, Chris Bittle, Lloyd Longfield, Monique Pauzé, Raj Saini, Ya’ara Saks — 7.

After debate, Clause 12 carried on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Taylor Bachrach, Yvan Baker, Chris Bittle, Lloyd Longfield, Monique Pauzé, Raj Saini, Ya’ara Saks — 7;

NAYS: Dan Albas, Matt Jeneroux, Eric Melillo, Brad Redekopp — 4.

On Clause 13,

Monique Pauzé moved, — That Bill C-12, in Clause 13, be amended by replacing line 26 on page 5 with the following:

"Canada"

After debate, the question was put on the amendment of Monique Pauzé and it was negatived on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Monique Pauzé — 1;

NAYS: Dan Albas, Taylor Bachrach, Yvan Baker, Chris Bittle, Matt Jeneroux, Lloyd Longfield, Eric Melillo, Brad Redekopp, Raj Saini, Ya’ara Saks — 10.

Dan Albas moved, — That Bill C-12, in Clause 13, be amended

(a) by replacing lines 23 and 24 on page 5 with the following:

“sions reduction plan, the Governor in Council must, in the manner the Governor in Council considers appropriate, provide the gov-”

(b) by replacing, in the English version, line 27 on page 5 with the following:

“and interested persons, including any expert the Governor in Council”

After debate, the question was put on the amendment of Dan Albas and it was negatived on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Dan Albas, Matt Jeneroux, Eric Melillo, Brad Redekopp — 4;

NAYS: Taylor Bachrach, Yvan Baker, Chris Bittle, Lloyd Longfield, Monique Pauzé, Raj Saini, Ya’ara Saks — 7.

Pursuant to the order adopted by the committee on Thursday, October 8, 2020, the following amendment, submitted by Elizabeth May for the consideration of the committee, was deemed moved:

That Bill C-12, in Clause 13, be amended by replacing line 26 on page 5 with the following:

“Canada, the expert advisory body established under section 20”

After debate, the question was put on the amendment of Elizabeth May and it was negatived on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Monique Pauzé — 1;

NAYS: Dan Albas, Taylor Bachrach, Yvan Baker, Chris Bittle, Matt Jeneroux, Lloyd Longfield, Eric Melillo, Brad Redekopp, Raj Saini, Ya’ara Saks — 10.

After debate, Clause 13 carried on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Taylor Bachrach, Yvan Baker, Chris Bittle, Lloyd Longfield, Monique Pauzé, Raj Saini, Ya’ara Saks — 7;

NAYS: Dan Albas, Matt Jeneroux, Cathy McLeod, Brad Redekopp — 4.

On new Clause 13.1,

Pursuant to the order adopted by the committee on Thursday, October 8, 2020, the following amendment, submitted by Elizabeth May for the consideration of the committee, was deemed moved:

That Bill C-12 be amended by adding after line 29 on page 5 the following new clause:

“13.1 The Minister must achieve all the national greenhouse gas emissions targets set under sections 6 and 7.”

After debate, the question was put on the amendment of Elizabeth May and it was negatived on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Monique Pauzé — 1;

NAYS: Dan Albas, Taylor Bachrach, Yvan Baker, Chris Bittle, Matt Jeneroux, Lloyd Longfield, Cathy McLeod, Brad Redekopp, Raj Saini, Ya’ara Saks — 10.

Monique Pauzé moved, — That Bill C-12 be amended by adding after line 29 on page 5 the following new clause:

“13.1 When setting a national greenhouse gas emissions target or establishing or amending an emissions reduction plan, the Minister must consult the independent expert committee established under section 20 and take its recommendations into account.”

After debate, the question was put on the amendment of Monique Pauzé and it was negatived on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Monique Pauzé — 1;

NAYS: Dan Albas, Taylor Bachrach, Yvan Baker, Chris Bittle, Matt Jeneroux, Lloyd Longfield, Cathy McLeod, Brad Redekopp, Raj Saini, Ya’ara Saks — 10.

Raj Saini moved, — That Bill C-12 be amended by adding after line 29 on page 5 the following new clause:

“Report

13.1 The Minister must publish on a Government of Canada website, and by any other means that the Minister considers appropriate, a report on the results of the consultations carried out under section 13.”

Debate arose thereon.

Dan Albas moved, — That the amendment be amended by adding, after the words "section 13" the following: ", that the report be published no later than 12 months after the consultation period begins".

At 5:58 p.m., the sitting was suspended.

At 6:05 p.m., the sitting resumed.

After debate, the question was put on the subamendment of Dan Albas and it was negatived on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Dan Albas, Matt Jeneroux, Cathy McLeod, Monique Pauzé, Brad Redekopp — 5;

NAYS: Taylor Bachrach, Yvan Baker, Chris Bittle, Lloyd Longfield, Raj Saini, Ya’ara Saks — 6.

After debate, the question was put on the amendment of Raj Saini and it was agreed to on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Dan Albas, Taylor Bachrach, Yvan Baker, Chris Bittle, Matt Jeneroux, Lloyd Longfield, Cathy McLeod, Monique Pauzé, Brad Redekopp, Raj Saini, Ya’ara Saks — 11;

NAYS: — 0.

On Clause 14,

Monique Pauzé moved, — That Bill C-12, in Clause 14, be amended by replacing line 30 on page 5 to line 11 on page 6 with the following:

“14 (1) The Minister must, during the year in which the second anniversary of the coming into force of this Act occurs and each year after that, prepare an annual progress report on the reductions achieved in greenhouse gas emissions.

(2) The report must include information on greenhouse gas emissions for the year and any proposed changes to the emissions reduction plan.”

After debate, the question was put on the amendment of Monique Pauzé and it was negatived on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Monique Pauzé — 1;

NAYS: Dan Albas, Taylor Bachrach, Yvan Baker, Chris Bittle, Matt Jeneroux, Lloyd Longfield, Cathy McLeod, Brad Redekopp, Raj Saini, Ya’ara Saks — 10.

Pursuant to the order adopted by the committee on Thursday, October 8, 2020, the following amendment, submitted by Elizabeth May for the consideration of the committee, was deemed moved:

That Bill C-12, in Clause 14, be amended by replacing lines 31 to 34 on page 5 with the following:

“section 12, the Minister must prepare at least two progress reports before 2030 and at least one progress report per year between 2030 and 2050.”

After debate, the question was put on the amendment of Elizabeth May and it was negatived on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Monique Pauzé — 1;

NAYS: Dan Albas, Taylor Bachrach, Yvan Baker, Chris Bittle, Matt Jeneroux, Lloyd Longfield, Cathy McLeod, Brad Redekopp, Raj Saini, Ya’ara Saks — 10.

Chris Bittle moved, — That Bill C-12, in Clause 14, be amended by adding after line 34 on page 5 the following:

“(1.1) In consultation with the ministers referred to in section 12, the Minister must prepare a progress report in respect of the first milestone year by no later than the end of 2023, another by no later than the end of 2025 and another by no later than the end of 2027.

(1.2) The 2025 progress report must contain an assessment of the 2030 greenhouse gas emissions target, based on the most recent developments in science, technology and greenhouse gas emissions management, and the Minister must consider whether the target should be changed, based on those developments.”

After debate, the question was put on the amendment of Chris Bittle and it was agreed to on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Taylor Bachrach, Yvan Baker, Chris Bittle, Lloyd Longfield, Monique Pauzé, Raj Saini, Ya’ara Saks — 7;

NAYS: Dan Albas, Matt Jeneroux, Cathy McLeod, Brad Redekopp — 4.

Dan Albas moved, — That Bill C-12, in Clause 14, be amended by adding after line 2 on page 6 the following:

“(a.1) a summary of Canada's greenhouse gas emissions released into or removed from the atmosphere because of non-anthropogenic factors;”

After debate, the question was put on the amendment of Dan Albas and it was negatived on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Dan Albas, Matt Jeneroux, Cathy McLeod, Brad Redekopp — 4;

NAYS: Taylor Bachrach, Yvan Baker, Chris Bittle, Lloyd Longfield, Monique Pauzé, Raj Saini, Ya’ara Saks — 7.

Ya'ara Saks moved, — That Bill C-12, in Clause 14, be amended by

(a) adding after line 2 on page 6 the following:

“(a.1) Canada’s most recent published greenhouse gas emissions projections for the next milestone year;

(a.2) a summary of Canada’s most recent official greenhouse gas emissions inventory and the information, relevant to the report, that Canada submitted under its international commitments with respect to climate change;”

(b) replacing line 6 on page 6 with the following:

“sions reduction plan and, if available, updated projections of annual greenhouse gas emission reductions resulting from those combined measures and strategies;

(b.1) an update on the implementation of the key cooperative measures or agreements with provinces or other governments in Canada described in the relevant emissions reduction plan;

(b.2) if the projections indicate that the plan’s greenhouse gas emissions target will not be met, details of any additional measures that could be taken to increase the probability of achieving that target; and”

(c) replacing lines 8 to 11 on page 6 with the following:

“appropriate.”

After debate, the question was put on the amendment of Ya'ara Saks and it was agreed to on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Taylor Bachrach, Yvan Baker, Chris Bittle, Lloyd Longfield, Monique Pauzé, Raj Saini, Ya’ara Saks — 7;

NAYS: Dan Albas, Matt Jeneroux, Cathy McLeod, Brad Redekopp — 4.

Taylor Bachrach moved, — That Bill C-12, in Clause 14, be amended by adding after line 11 on page 6 the following:

“(3) Any progress report relating to 2030 must include an update on the progress that has been made towards achieving the interim greenhouse gas emissions objective for 2026.”

After debate, the question was put on the amendment of Taylor Bachrach and it was agreed to on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Taylor Bachrach, Yvan Baker, Chris Bittle, Lloyd Longfield, Monique Pauzé, Raj Saini, Ya’ara Saks — 7;

NAYS: Dan Albas, Matt Jeneroux, Cathy McLeod, Brad Redekopp — 4.

At 7:40 p.m., the committee adjourned to the call of the Chair.



Angela Crandall
Clerk of the Committee