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Minutes of Proceedings

43rd Parliament, 1st Session
Meeting 6
Wednesday, February 26, 2020, 3:42 p.m. to 5:40 p.m.
Televised
Presiding
Ron McKinnon, Chair (Liberal)

Library of Parliament
• Sonya Norris, Analyst
• Karin Phillips, Analyst
The committee proceeded to the consideration of matters related to committee business.

The Chair presented the First Report from the Subcommittee on Agenda and Procedure, which read as follows:

Your subcommittee met on Tuesday, February 25, 2020, to consider the business of the committee and agreed to make the following recommendations:

  1. That the committee proceed to its future studies in the following order:
    1. Palliative care
    2. Primary care models
    3. Assisted dying and mental illness
    4. National dental care program

  2. That, in relation to the study of palliative care in Canada, committee members submit their prioritized witness lists, with the witnesses’ complete contact information, to the Clerk of the committee no later than Tuesday, March 3, 2020 at 12:00 p.m.

  3. That, with regards to the meeting of Monday, March 9, 2020, one hour be dedicated to a briefing with officials from the Department of Health in relation to the study of palliative care in Canada, and one hour be dedicated to the consideration of the work plan prepared by the analysts in relation to this study.

    Debate arose thereon.

It was agreed, — That the First Report from the Subcommittee on Agenda and Procedure be concurred in, by a show of hands: YEAS: 9; NAYS: 1.

Motion

Robert Kitchen moved, — That, pursuant to Standing Order 108(1)(a), the committee order all documents, including briefing notes, memos, emails, text messages, and summaries of phone calls prepared for the Minister of Health, Minister of Transport, Minister of Public Safety, Minister of Foreign Affairs, and Minister of National Defence regarding the outbreak of the coronavirus, no later than February 28, 2020.

Debate arose thereon.

Amendment

Mike Kelloway moved, — That the motion be amended by:

a) replacing the words ‘’order all documents, including briefing notes, memos, emails, text messages, and summaries of phone calls’’ with the words ‘’request briefing notes and memos’’;

b) replacing the words ‘’February 28’’ with the words ‘’March 26’’;

c) adding, after the word ‘’2020’’, the following: ‘’; that matters of Cabinet confidence and national security be excluded from the request; and that any redactions to protect the privacy of Canadian citizens whose names and personal information may be included in the documents, as well as public servants who have been providing assistance on this matter, be made by the Office of the Law Clerk and Parliamentary Counsel of the House of Commons’’.

Debate arose thereon.

Subamendment

Matt Jeneroux moved, — That the amendment be amended by:

a) replacing the words ‘’request briefing notes and memos’’ with the words ‘’order all documents, including briefing notes, memos, emails, text messages, and summaries of phone calls’’;

b) replacing the words ‘’March 26’’ with the words ‘’March 3’’; and

c) deleting the words ‘’Cabinet confidence and’’ .

Debate arose thereon.

By unanimous consent, the subamendment was withdrawn.

The Committee resumed consideration of the amendment of Mike Kelloway, — That the motion be amended by:

a) replacing the words ‘’order all documents, including briefing notes, memos, emails, text messages, and summaries of phone calls’’ with the words ‘’request briefing notes and memos’’;

b) replacing the words ‘’February 28’’ with the words ‘’March 26’’;

c) adding, after the word ‘’2020’’, the following: ‘’; that matters of Cabinet confidence and national security be excluded from the request; and that any redactions to protect the privacy of Canadian citizens whose names and personal information may be included in the documents, as well as public servants who have been providing assistance on this matter, be made by the Office of the Law Clerk and Parliamentary Counsel of the House of Commons’’.

The debate continued.

Subamendment

Matt Jeneroux moved, — That the amendment be amended by:

a) replacing the words ‘’request briefing notes and memos’’ with the words ‘’order all documents, including briefing notes, memos, emails, text messages, and summaries of phone calls’’;

b) replacing the words ‘’March 26’’ with the words ‘’March 15’’; and

c) adding, after the words ‘’Canadian citizens’’, the words ‘’and permanent residents’’.

After debate, the question was put on the subamendment of Matt Jeneroux and it was agreed to on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Don Davies, Tamara Jansen, Matt Jeneroux, Robert Kitchen, Luc Thériault, Len Webber — 6;

NAYS: Darren Fisher, Mike Kelloway, Marcus Powlowski, Sonia Sidhu, Tony Van Bynen — 5.

The Committee resumed consideration of the amendment of Mike Kelloway, as amended, — That the motion be amended by:

a) replacing the words ‘’order all documents, including briefing notes, memos, emails, text messages, and summaries of phone calls’’ with the words ‘’order all documents, including briefing notes, memos, emails, text messages, and summaries of phone calls’’;

b) replacing the words ‘’February 28’’ with the words ‘’March 15’’; and

c) adding, after the word ‘’2020’’, the following: ‘’; that matters of Cabinet confidence and national security be excluded from the request; and that any redactions to protect the privacy of Canadian citizens and permanent residents whose names and personal information may be included in the documents, as well as public servants who have been providing assistance on this matter, be made by the Office of the Law Clerk and Parliamentary Counsel of the House of Commons’’.

The debate continued.

Subamendment

Luc Thériault moved, — That the amendment be amended by:

a) replacing the words ‘’memos, emails’’ with the words ‘’memos and emails from senior officials’’; and

b) deleting the words ‘’, text messages, and summaries of phone calls’’.

Debate arose thereon.

Motion

Marcus Powlowski moved, — That the sitting be suspended.

The question was put on the motion and it was agreed to, by a show of hands: YEAS: 5; NAYS: 2.

At 4:29 p.m., the sitting was suspended.

At 4:35 p.m., the sitting resumed.

After debate, the question was put on the subamendment of Luc Thériault and it was agreed to on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Mario Beaulieu, Don Davies, Darren Fisher, Mike Kelloway, Marcus Powlowski, Sonia Sidhu, Tony Van Bynen — 7;

NAYS: Tamara Jansen, Matt Jeneroux, Robert Kitchen, Len Webber — 4.

The Committee resumed consideration of the amendment of Mike Kelloway, as amended, — That the motion be amended by:

a) replacing the words ‘’order all documents, including briefing notes, memos, emails, text messages, and summaries of phone calls’’ with the words ‘’order all documents, including briefing notes, memos and emails from senior officials’’ ;

b) replacing the words ‘’February 28’’ with the words ‘’March 15’’; and

c) adding, after the word ‘’2020’’, the following: ‘’; that matters of Cabinet confidence and national security be excluded from the request; and that any redactions to protect the privacy of Canadian citizens and permanent residents whose names and personal information may be included in the documents, as well as public servants who have been providing assistance on this matter, be made by the Office of the Law Clerk and Parliamentary Counsel of the House of Commons’’ .

The question was put on the amendment of Mike Kelloway, as amended, and it was agreed to on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Mario Beaulieu, Don Davies, Darren Fisher, Mike Kelloway, Marcus Powlowski, Sonia Sidhu, Tony Van Bynen — 7;

NAYS: Tamara Jansen, Matt Jeneroux, Robert Kitchen, Len Webber — 4.

The committee resumed consideration of the motion of Robert Kitchen, as amended.

After debate, the question was put on the motion, as amended, and it was agreed to on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Mario Beaulieu, Don Davies, Darren Fisher, Mike Kelloway, Marcus Powlowski, Sonia Sidhu, Tony Van Bynen — 7;

NAYS: Tamara Jansen, Matt Jeneroux, Robert Kitchen, Len Webber — 4.

The motion, as amended, read as follows:

That, pursuant to Standing Order 108(1)(a), the committee order all documents, including briefing notes, memos and emails from senior officials, prepared for the Minister of Health, Minister of Transport, Minister of Public Safety, Minister of Foreign Affairs, and Minister of National Defence regarding the outbreak of the coronavirus, no later than March 15, 2020; that matters of Cabinet confidence and national security be excluded from the request; and that any redactions to protect the privacy of Canadian citizens and permanent residents whose names and personal information may be included in the documents, as well as public servants who have been providing assistance on this matter, be made by the Office of the Law Clerk and Parliamentary Counsel of the House of Commons.

Canada Border Services Agency
• Calvin Christiansen, Director General, Travellers Operational Guidance and Support, Travellers Branch
Department of Foreign Affairs, Trade and Development
• Heather Jeffrey, Assistant Deputy Minister, Consular, Security and Emergency Management
Department of National Defence
• MGen T. J. Cadieu, Director of Staff, Strategic Joint Staff
• MGen A.M.T. Downes, Surgeon General, Commander, Canadian Forces Health Services Group
Public Health Agency of Canada
• Dr. Howard Njoo, Deputy Chief Public Health Officer
• Cindy Evans, Director General, Centre for Emergency Preparedness and Response
Pursuant to the order of reference of Monday, January 27, 2020, and the motion adopted by the committee on Monday, February 24, 2020, the committee resumed a briefing on the Canadian response to the outbreak of the coronavirus.

Howard Njoo, Heather Jeffrey, Calvin Christiansen and MGen T. J. Cadieu made statements and, with Cindy Evans, answered questions.

At 5:40 p.m., the committee adjourned to the call of the chair.



Alexandre Jacques
Clerk of the Committee