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Minutes of Proceedings

42nd Parliament, 1st Session
Meeting No. 99
Thursday, March 1, 2018, 11:01 a.m. to 12:54 p.m.
Televised
Presiding
Hon. John McKay, Chair (Liberal)

Library of Parliament
• Dominique Valiquet, Analyst
• Hon. Ralph Goodale, P.C., M.P., Minister of Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness
Department of Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness
• Malcolm Brown, Deputy Minister
• Patrick Amyot, Comptroller and Deputy Chief Financial Officer
Canada Border Services Agency
• John Ossowski, President
• Jacques Cloutier, Vice-President, Operations Branch
Royal Canadian Mounted Police
• Daniel Dubeau, Acting Commissioner
• Dennis Watters, Chief Financial and Administrative Officer
Correctional Service of Canada
• Anne Kelly, Interim Commissioner
• Alain Tousignant, Assistant Commissioner, Correctional Operations and Programs
Canadian Security Intelligence Service
• Karen Robertson, Deputy Director, Administration and Chief Financial Officer
• Charles Lowson, Assistant Director, Collection
Parole Board of Canada
• Jennifer Oades, Chairperson


• Hon. Ralph Goodale, P.C., M.P., Minister of Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness
Department of Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness
• Malcolm Brown, Deputy Minister
• Patrick Amyot, Comptroller and Deputy Chief Financial Officer
Canada Border Services Agency
• John Ossowski, President
• Jacques Cloutier, Vice-President, Operations Branch
Royal Canadian Mounted Police
• Daniel Dubeau, Acting Commissioner
• Dennis Watters, Chief Financial and Administrative Officer
Correctional Service of Canada
• Anne Kelly, Interim Commissioner
• Alain Tousignant, Assistant Commissioner, Correctional Operations and Programs
Canadian Security Intelligence Service
• Karen Robertson, Deputy Director, Administration and Chief Financial Officer
• Charles Lowson, Assistant Director, Collection
Parole Board of Canada
• Jennifer Oades, Chairperson
Pursuant to Standing Order 81(5), the Committee commenced consideration of the Supplementary Estimates (C), 2017-18: Votes 1c and 5c under Canada Border Services Agency, Vote 1c under Correctional Service of Canada, Votes 1c and 5c under Department of Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness, Votes 1c, 5c and 10c under Royal Canadian Mounted Police, Vote 3c under Secretariat of the National Security and Intelligence Committee of Parliamentarians, referred to the Committee on Monday, February 12, 2018; and

Pursuant to Standing Order 81(6), the Committee commenced consideration of the Interim Estimates 2018-19: Votes 1 and 5 under Canada Border Services Agency, Vote 1 under Canadian Security Intelligence Service, Vote 1 under Civilian Review and Complaints Commission for the Royal Canadian Mounted Police, Votes 1 and 5 under Correctional Service of Canada, Votes 1 and 5 under Department of Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness, Vote 1 under Office of the Correctional Investigator of Canada, Vote 1 under Parole Board of Canada, Votes 1, 5 and 10 under Royal Canadian Mounted Police, Vote 1 under Royal Canadian Mounted Police External Review Committee, Vote 1 under Secretariat of the National Security and Intelligence Committee of Parliamentarians, Vote 1 under Security Intelligence Review Committee, referred to the Committee on Monday, February 12, 2018.


The Chair called Votes 1c and 1 under Canada Border Services Agency.

The Minister made a statement and, with Daniel Dubeau, answered questions.

The Committee proceeded to the consideration of matters related to Committee business.

Motion

Pierre Paul-Hus moved, — That, pursuant to Standing Order 108(2), the Committee hold a briefing with the Privy Council Office’s Director of Security Operations to discuss whether or not the Privy Council Office was afforded the opportunity to properly screen convicted terrorist Jaspal Atwal before being issued an invitation to attend events with the Prime Minister and the cabinet; that the Committee make recommendations and report its findings to the House.

Michel Picard moved, — That the debate be now adjourned.

The question was put on the motion and it was agreed to on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Julie Dabrusin, Pam Damoff, Peter Fragiskatos, Michel Picard, Sven Spengemann — 5;

NAYS: Blaine Calkins, Matthew Dubé, Glen Motz, Pierre Paul-Hus — 4.

Motion

Pierre Paul-Hus moved, — That, pursuant to Standing Order 108(2), the Committee hold a briefing with national security advisor Daniel Jean to testify and fully explain why and how reporters were told that convicted terrorist Jaspal Atwal's invitation was facilitated by "elements" within the Indian government; that the Committee make recommendations and report its findings to the House.

Sven Spengemann moved, — That the debate be now adjourned.

The question was put on the motion and it was agreed to on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Julie Dabrusin, Pam Damoff, Peter Fragiskatos, Michel Picard, Sven Spengemann — 5;

NAYS: Blaine Calkins, Matthew Dubé, Glen Motz, Pierre Paul-Hus — 4.

Questioning of the Minister and Daniel Dubeau resumed.

At 12:05 p.m., the sitting was suspended.

At 12:10 p.m., the sitting resumed.

• Hon. Ralph Goodale, P.C., M.P., Minister of Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness
Department of Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness
• Malcolm Brown, Deputy Minister
• Patrick Amyot, Comptroller and Deputy Chief Financial Officer
Canada Border Services Agency
• John Ossowski, President
• Jacques Cloutier, Vice-President, Operations Branch
Royal Canadian Mounted Police
• Daniel Dubeau, Acting Commissioner
• Dennis Watters, Chief Financial and Administrative Officer
Correctional Service of Canada
• Anne Kelly, Interim Commissioner
• Alain Tousignant, Assistant Commissioner, Correctional Operations and Programs
Canadian Security Intelligence Service
• Karen Robertson, Deputy Director, Administration and Chief Financial Officer
• Charles Lowson, Assistant Director, Collection
Parole Board of Canada
• Jennifer Oades, Chairperson


• Hon. Ralph Goodale, P.C., M.P., Minister of Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness
Department of Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness
• Malcolm Brown, Deputy Minister
• Patrick Amyot, Comptroller and Deputy Chief Financial Officer
Canada Border Services Agency
• John Ossowski, President
• Jacques Cloutier, Vice-President, Operations Branch
Royal Canadian Mounted Police
• Daniel Dubeau, Acting Commissioner
• Dennis Watters, Chief Financial and Administrative Officer
Correctional Service of Canada
• Anne Kelly, Interim Commissioner
• Alain Tousignant, Assistant Commissioner, Correctional Operations and Programs
Canadian Security Intelligence Service
• Karen Robertson, Deputy Director, Administration and Chief Financial Officer
• Charles Lowson, Assistant Director, Collection
Parole Board of Canada
• Jennifer Oades, Chairperson
Pursuant to Standing Order 81(5), the Committee resumed consideration of the Supplementary Estimates (C), 2017-18: Votes 1c and 5c under Canada Border Services Agency, Vote 1c under Correctional Service of Canada, Votes 1c and 5c under Department of Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness, Votes 1c, 5c and 10c under Royal Canadian Mounted Police, Vote 3c under Secretariat of the National Security and Intelligence Committee of Parliamentarians, referred to the Committee on Monday, February 12, 2018; and

Pursuant to Standing Order 81(6), the Committee resumed consideration of the Interim Estimates 2018-19: Votes 1 and 5 under Canada Border Services Agency, Vote 1 under Canadian Security Intelligence Service, Vote 1 under Civilian Review and Complaints Commission for the Royal Canadian Mounted Police, Votes 1 and 5 under Correctional Service of Canada, Votes 1 and 5 under Department of Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness, Vote 1 under Office of the Correctional Investigator of Canada, Vote 1 under Parole Board of Canada, Votes 1, 5 and 10 under Royal Canadian Mounted Police, Vote 1 under Royal Canadian Mounted Police External Review Committee, Vote 1 under Secretariat of the National Security and Intelligence Committee of Parliamentarians, Vote 1 under Security Intelligence Review Committee, referred to the Committee on Monday, February 12, 2018.


John Ossowski, Malcolm Brown, Dennis Watters, Jacques Cloutier, Anne Kelly and Charles Lowson answered questions.

By unanimous consent, the Chair called Vote 5c under Canada Border Services Agency, Vote 1c under Correctional Service of Canada, Votes 1c and 5c under Department of Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness, Votes 1c, 5c and 10c under Royal Canadian Mounted Police and Vote 3c under Secretariat of the National Security and Intelligence Committee of Parliamentarians.

Votes 1c and 5c under Canada Border Services Agency, Vote 1c under Correctional Service of Canada, Votes 1c and 5c under Department of Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness, Votes 1c, 5c and 10c under Royal Canadian Mounted Police and Vote 3c under Secretariat of the National Security and Intelligence Committee of Parliamentarians carried on division.

By unanimous consent, the Chair called Vote 5 under Canada Border Services Agency, Vote 1 under Canadian Security Intelligence Service, Vote 1 under Civilian Review and Complaints Commission for the Royal Canadian Mounted Police, Votes 1 and 5 under Correctional Service of Canada, Votes 1 and 5 under Department of Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness, Vote 1 under Office of the Correctional Investigator of Canada, Vote 1 under Parole Board of Canada, Votes 1, 5 and 10 under Royal Canadian Mounted Police, Vote 1 under Royal Canadian Mounted Police External Review Committee, Vote 1 under Secretariat of the National Security and Intelligence Committee of Parliamentarians and Vote 1 under Security Intelligence Review Committee.

Votes 1 and 5 under Canada Border Services Agency, Vote 1 under Canadian Security Intelligence Service, Vote 1 under Civilian Review and Complaints Commission for the Royal Canadian Mounted Police, Votes 1 and 5 under Correctional Service of Canada, Votes 1 and 5 under Department of Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness, Vote 1 under Office of the Correctional Investigator of Canada, Vote 1 under Parole Board of Canada, Votes 1, 5 and 10 under Royal Canadian Mounted Police, Vote 1 under Royal Canadian Mounted Police External Review Committee, Vote 1 under Secretariat of the National Security and Intelligence Committee of Parliamentarians and Vote 1 under Security Intelligence Review Committee carried on division.

ORDERED, — That the Chair report Votes 1c and 5c under Canada Border Services Agency, Vote 1c under Correctional Service of Canada, Votes 1c and 5c under Department of Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness, Votes 1c, 5c and 10c under Royal Canadian Mounted Police and Vote 3c under Secretariat of the National Security and Intelligence Committee of Parliamentarians in the Supplementary Estimates (C), 2017-18 and Votes 1 and 5 under Canada Border Services Agency, Vote 1 under Canadian Security Intelligence Service, Vote 1 under Civilian Review and Complaints Commission for the Royal Canadian Mounted Police, Votes 1 and 5 under Correctional Service of Canada, Votes 1 and 5 under Department of Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness, Vote 1 under Office of the Correctional Investigator of Canada, Vote 1 under Parole Board of Canada, Votes 1, 5 and 10 under Royal Canadian Mounted Police, Vote 1 under Royal Canadian Mounted Police External Review Committee, Vote 1 under Secretariat of the National Security and Intelligence Committee of Parliamentarians and Vote 1 under Security Intelligence Review Committee in the Interim Estimates 2018-19 to the House.

The Committee proceeded to the consideration of matters related to Committee business.

It was agreed, — That in relation to the study of indigenous people in the correctional system, the proposed budget in the amount of $80,747.60, for the Committee’s travel to Québec, Quebec, Donnacona, Quebec, Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Duck Lake, Saskatchewan, Medicine Hat, Alberta, Maple Creek, Saskatchewan, Mâskwâcîs, Alberta, and Edmonton, Alberta, in Spring 2018, be adopted.

At 12:54 p.m., the Committee adjourned to the call of the Chair.



Jean-Marie David
Clerk of the Committee