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MINUTES OF PROCEEDINGS

Meeting No. 70

Tuesday, June 5, 2012

The Standing Committee on Finance met in a televised session at 3:33 p.m. this day, in Room 253-D, Centre Block, the Chair, James Rajotte, presiding.

Members of the Committee present: Mark Adler, Hon. Scott Brison, Guy Caron, Shelly Glover, Randy Hoback, Brian Jean, Hoang Mai, Wayne Marston, Cathy McLeod, Peggy Nash, James Rajotte and Dave Van Kesteren.

Acting Members present: Dennis Bevington for Wayne Marston, Hélène LeBlanc for Wayne Marston, Pat Martin for Guy Caron, Pat Martin for Wayne Marston, Bev Shipley for Mark Adler and Jinny Jogindera Sims for Wayne Marston.

In attendance: House of Commons: Suzie Cadieux, Procedural Clerk ; Julie Lalande Prud'homme, Procedural Clerk ; Mike MacPherson, Legislative Clerk ; Chloé O'Shaughnessy, Procedural Clerk . Library of Parliament: Mark Mahabir, Analyst ; Brett Stuckey, Analyst.

Witnesses: Department of Finance: Gordon Boissonneault, Senior Advisor, Economic Analysis and Forecasting Division, Demand and Labour Analysis, Economic and Fiscal Policy Branch. Service Canada: Sue Foster, Acting Director General, Policy, Appeals and Quality. Parks Canada Agency: Margaret Strysio, Director, Strategic Planning and Reporting. Public Safety Canada: Stephen Bolton, Director, Border Law Enforcement Strategies Division. Department of Justice: Michael Zigayer, Senior Counsel, Criminal Law Policy Section. Royal Canadian Mounted Police: Garry D. Jay, Chief Superintendent, Acting Director General, HR Workforce Programs and Services; Jeff Hutcheson, Director, HQ Programs and Financial Advisory Services, Coporate Management and Comptrollership. Department of Public Safety: Darryl Hirsch, Senior Policy Analyst, Intelligence Policy and Coordination. Department of Finance: Ian Wright, Executive Advisor, Financial Markets Division, Financial Sector Policy Branch. Department of Fisheries and Oceans: Nigel Harrison, Manager, Legislative and Parliamentary Affairs. Department of Health: David K. Lee, Director, Office of Patented Medicines and Liaison, Therapeutic Products Directorate. Department of Human Resources and Skills Development: Anthony Giles, Director General, Strategic Policy, Analysis and Workplace Information Directorate. Department of Finance: Bruno Rodrigue, Chief, Income Security, Federal-Provincial Relations and Social Policy Branch. Department of Industry: Gerard Peets, Senior Director, Strategy and Planning Directorate. Public Safety Canada: Suzanne Brisebois, Director General, Policy and Operations, Parole Board of Canada. Department of Transport: Louise Laflamme, Chief, Marine Policy and Regulatory Affairs. Human Resources and Skills Development Canada: Judith Buchanan, Acting Senior Manager, Labour Standards Operations. Department of Finance: Mark Hodgson, Senior Policy Analyst, Labour Markets, Employment and Learning. Department of Human Resources and Skills Development: Stephen Johnson, Director General, Evaluation Directorate, Strategic Policy and Research Branch. Department of Citizenship and Immigration: James McNamee, Deputy Director, Horizontal Immigration Policy Division. Shared Services Canada: Graham Barr, Director General, Transition Planning and Coordination.

Pursuant to the Order of Reference of Monday, May 14, 2012, the Committee resumed consideration of Bill C-38, An Act to implement certain provisions of the budget tabled in Parliament on March 29, 2012 and other measures.

The Committee resumed its clause-by-clause study of the Bill.

It was agreed — That the Committee have a general debate on Clauses 170 to 204.

Gordon Boissoneault answered questions.

After debate, by unanimous consent, Clauses 170 to 204 inclusive carried on division severally.

By unanimous consent, Clauses 205 to 208 inclusive carried severally.

It was agreed — That the Committee have a general debate on Clauses 209 to 213.

After debate, Clauses 209 to 213 inclusive carried on division severally.

It was agreed — That the Committee have a general debate on Clauses 214 to 217.

On Clause 214,

Scott Brison moved, — That Bill C-38, in Clause 214, be amended

(a) by replacing line 36 on page 192 with the following:

“recommendation of the Minister of Finance after consultation with the Government of the Northwest Territories, set”

(b) by replacing line 2 on page 193 with the following:

“recommendation of the Minister of Finance after consultation with the Government of the Northwest Territories,”

The question was put on the amendment of Scott Brison and it was negatived.

Clause 214 carried on division.

On Clause 215,

Scott Brison moved, — That Bill C-38, in Clause 215, be amended

(a) by replacing line 20 on page 193 with the following:

“recommendation of the Minister of Finance after consultation with the Government of Nunavut, set”

(b) by replacing line 24 on page 193 with the following:

“recommendation of the Minister of Finance after consultation with the Government of Nunavut,”

The question was put on the amendment of Scott Brison and it was negatived.

Clause 215 carried on division.

On Clause 216,

Scott Brison moved, — That Bill C-38, in Clause 216, be amended

(a) by replacing line 7 on page 194 with the following:

“recommendation of the Minister of Finance after consultation with the Government of the Yukon, set”

(b) by replacing line 11 on page 194 with the following:

“recommendation of the Minister of Finance after consultation with the Government of the Yukon,”

The question was put on the amendment of Scott Brison and it was negatived.

Clause 216 carried on division.

Clause 217 carried on division.

By unanimous consent, Clauses 218 to 222 inclusive carried on division severally.

It was agreed — That the Committee have a general debate on Clauses 223 to 281.

Sue Foster answered questions.

After debate, Clause 223 carried on division.

On Clause 224,

Guy Caron moved, — That Bill C-38, in Clause 224, be amended by adding after line 43 on page 201 the following:

“(2) Where the appeal to be heard involves a disability benefit, the member of the Tribunal must be a person qualified to practice medicine or a prescribed related profession in a province.”

The Chair ruled the proposed amendment inadmissible because it was beyond the scope of the Bill, as provided on page 766 of House of Commons Procedure and Practice, Second Edition.

Clause 224 carried on division.

By unanimous consent, Clauses 225 to 281 inclusive carried on division severally.

By unanimous consent, Clauses 282 to 303 inclusive carried severally.

It was agreed — That the Committee have a general debate on Clauses 304 to 314.

After debate, by unanimous consent, Clauses 304 to 314 inclusive carried on division severally.

It was agreed — That the Committee have a general debate on Clauses 315 to 325.

Margaret Strysio answered questions.

After debate, by unanimous consent, Clauses 315 to 325 inclusive carried on division severally.

By unanimous consent, Clauses 326 to 349 inclusive carried severally.

It was agreed — That the Committee have a general debate on Clauses 350 to 367.

After debate, Clause 350 carried.

Clause 351 carried.

Clause 352 carried.

Clause 353 carried on division.

Clause 354 carried.

Clause 355 carried.

Clause 356 carried on division.

Clause 357 carried.

Clause 358 carried.

Clause 359 carried on division.

Clause 360 carried.

Clause 361 carried on division.

Clause 362 carried on division.

Clause 363 carried on division.

Clause 364 carried on division.

Clause 365 carried.

Clause 366 carried on division.

Clause 367 carried.

It was agreed — That the Committee have a general debate on Clauses 368 to 374.

Stephen Bolton and Michael Zigayer answered questions.

After debate, by unanimous consent, Clauses 368 to 374 inclusive carried on division severally.

At 5:37 p.m., the sitting was suspended.

At 5:43 p.m., the sitting resumed.

Clause 375 carried.

Clause 376 carried.

It was agreed — That the Committe have a general debate on Clause 377.

Garry D. Jay and Jeff Hutcheson answered questions.

After debate, Clause 377 carried on division.

It was agreed — That the Committee have a general debate on Clauses 378 to 387.

Darryl Hirsch answered questions.

After debate, by unanimous consent, Clauses 378 to 387 inclusive carried on division severally.

It was agreed — That the Committee have a general debate on Clauses 388 and 389.

Ian Wright answered questions.

After debate, by unanimous consent, Clauses 388 and 389 inclusive carried severally.

It was agreed — That the Committee have a general debate on Clauses 390 to 410.

After debate, Clause 390 carried.

By unanimous consent, Clauses 391 and 392 carried on division severally.

On Clause 393,

Peggy Nash moved, — That Bill C-38, in Clause 393, be amended by replacing lines 10 to 25 on page 286 with the following:

“ending on March 31, 2014, and

(v) for each fiscal year beginning after March 31, 2014, the amount determined by a formula to be negotiated between the federal government and the government of each province and territory, in meetings that must begin within 90 days after this Act receives royal assent.”

The Chair ruled the proposed amendment inadmissible because it infringed on the financial initiative of the Crown, as provided on pages 767-768 of House of Commons Procedure and Practice, Second Edition.

Clause 393 carried on division.

By unanimous consent, Clauses 394 to 410 inclusive carried on division severally.

On new Clause 410.1,

Scott Brison moved, — That Bill C-38 be amended by adding after line 24 on page 290 the following new clause:

“410.1 Clauses 391 to 410 come into force on a day to be fixed by order of the Governor in Council after the government has consulted with first ministers and Aboriginal leaders on this division.”

The question was put on the amendment of Scott Brison and it was negatived.

It was agreed — That the Committee have a general debate on Clause 411.

Nigel Harrison answered questions.

After debate, Clause 411 carried on division.

It was agreed — That the Committee have a general debate on Clauses 412 to 419.

David K. Lee answered questions.

After debate, by unanimous consent, Clauses 412 to 419 inclusive carried on division severally.

By unanimous consent, Clauses 420 to 426 inclusive carried severally.

Bu unanimous consent, Clauses 427 to 431 inclusive carried on division severally.

By unanimous consent, Clauses 432 to 440 inclusive carried severally.

It was agreed — That the Committee have a general debate on Clauses 441 to 444.

Anthony Giles answered questions.

After debate, by unanimous consent, Clauses 441 to 444 inclusive carried on division severally.

It was agreed — That the Committee have a general debate on Clauses 445 to 467.

Bruno Rodrigue answered questions.

After debate, by unanimous consent, Clauses 445 to 448 inclusive carried on division severally.

By unanimous consent, Clauses 449 to 460 inclusive carried severally.

Clause 461 carried on division.

Clause 462 carried.

Clause 463 carried on division.

Clause 464 carried.

By unanimous consent, Clauses 465 to 467 inclusive carried on division severally.

At 7:33 p.m., the sitting was suspended.

At 7:44 p.m., the sitting resumed.

By unanimous consent, Clauses 468 to 472 inclusive carried on division severally.

It was agreed — That the Committee have a general debate on Clauses 473 to 475.

After debate, by unanimous consent, Clauses 473 and 474 carried on division severally.

On Clause 475,

Peggy Nash moved, — That Bill C-38, in Clause 475, be amended by adding after line 3 on page 325 the following:

“(1.1) A licence may not be issued under subsection (1) to a person who has a direct financial or personal interest in the seeds or seed crops to which the licence would apply.”

The question was put on the amendment of Peggy Nash and it was negatived.

Clause 475 carried on division.

By unanimous consent, Clauses 476 to 478 inclusive carried on division severally.

It was agreed — That the Committee have a general debate on Clauses 479 and 480.

Gerard Peets answered questions.

After debate, by unanimous consent, Clauses 479 and 480 carried severally.

By unanimous consent, Clauses 481 and 482 carried severally.

Clause 483 carried.

It was agreed — That the Committee have a general debate on Clauses 484 to 486.

After debate, by unanimous consent, Clauses 484 to 486 inclusive carried on division severally.

It was agreed — That the Committee have a general debate on Clauses 487 to 489.

After debate, by unanimous consent, Clauses 487 to 489 inclusive carried on division severally.

It was agreed — That the Committee have a general debate on Clauses 490 to 505.

After debate, by unanimous consent, Clauses 490 to 505 inclusive carried on division severally.

By unanimous consent, Clauses 506 to 515 inclusive carried severally.

By unanimous consent, Clauses 516 to 524 inclusive carried on division severally.

It was agreed — That the Committee have a general debate on Clause 525.

After debate, Clause 525 carried on division.

It was agreed — That the Committee have a general debate on Clauses 526 to 530.

Suzanne Brisebois answered questions.

After debate, by unanimous consent, Clauses 526 to 530 inclusive carried on division severally.

It was agreed — That the Committee have a general debate on Clause 531.

Louise Laflamme answered questions.

After debate, Clause 531 carried on division.

It was agreed — That the Committee have a general debate on Clauses 532 to 577.

By unanimous consent, Clauses 532 to 537 inclusive carried severally.

On Clause 538,

Peggy Nash moved, — That Bill C-38, in Clause 538, be amended by replacing line 15 on page 346 with the following:

“receive training related to the professional relations between artists, artists' associations and producers, including knowledge of relevant jurisprudence, issues related to the provision of artists' services and other related matters, and may consult with other members or the Board's staff”

The question was put on the amendment of Peggy Nash and it was negatived.

By unanimous consent, Clauses 538 to 577 inclusive carried on division severally.

It was agreed — That the Committee have a general debate on Clauses 578 to 594.

After debate, by unanimous consent, Clauses 578 to 594 inclusive carried on division severally.

It was agreed — That the Committee have a general debate on Clauses 595 to 601.

After debate, Clause 595 carried on division.

By unanimous consent, Clauses 596 to 601 inclusive carried severally.

It was agreed — That the Committee have a general debate on Clause 602.

Judith Buchanan answered questions.

After debate, Clause 602 carried on division.

It was agreed — That the Committee have a general debate on Clauses 603 to 619.

Mark Hodgson answered questions.

After debate, Clause 603 carried on division.

Clause 604 carried.

On Clause 605,

Peggy Nash moved, — That Bill C-38, in Clause 605, be amended by replacing lines 1 to 6 on page 372 with the following:

“605. Subsection 27(3) of the Act is replaced by the following:

(3) Claimants may not be discriminated against on the basis of work history, history in relation to employment insurance, industry or occupation or geographic location.”

The Chair ruled the proposed amendment inadmissible because it was beyond the scope of the Bill, as provided on page 766 of House of Commons Procedure and Practice, Second Edition.

Clause 605 carried on division.

By unanimous consent, Clauses 606 to 619 inclusive carried on division severally.

At 9:42 p.m., the sitting was suspended.

At 9:51 p.m., the sitting resumed.

By unanimous consent, Clauses 620 to 625 inclusive carried on division severally.

Clause 626 carried.

It was agreed — That the Committee have a general debate on Clauses 627 to 652.

After debate, by unanimous consent, Clauses 627 and 628 carried severally.

On Clause 629,

Scott Brison moved, — That Bill C-38, in Clause 629, be amended by adding after line 31 on page 380 the following:

“6.2 For greater certainty, nothing in this Act shall be construed so as to abrogate or derogate from the protection provided for existing aboriginal or treaty rights of the aboriginal peoples of Canada by the recognition and affirmation of these rights in section 35 of the Constitution Act, 1982.”

The question was put on the amendment of Scott Brison and it was negatived.

Clause 629 carried.

By unanimous consent, Clauses 630 to 652 inclusive carried severally.

Clause 653 carried.

By unanimous consent, Clauses 654 and 655 carried on division severally.

It was agreed — That the Committee have a general debate on Clauses 656 to 681.

After debate, by unanimous consent, Clauses 656 to 681 inclusive carried on division severally.

By unanimous consent, Clauses 682 to 684 inclusive carried severally.

It was agreed — That the Committee have a general debate on Clauses 685 to 696.

Stephen Johnson answered questions.

After debate, by unanimous consent, Clauses 685 to 696 inclusive carried on division severally.

By unanimous consent, Clauses 697 and 698 carried severally.

It was agreed — That the Committee have a general debate on Clause 699.

After debate, Clause 699 carried on division.

It was agreed — That the Committee have a general debate on Clauses 700 to 710.

James McNamee answered questions.

After debate, Clause 700 carried.

Clause 701 carried on division.

Clause 702 carried on division.

Clause 703 carried.

Clause 704 carried.

Clause 705 carried on division.

Clause 706 carried on division.

On Clause 707,

Jinny Jogindera Sims moved, — That Bill C-38, in Clause 707, be amended by replacing line 42 on page 405 to line 2 on page 406 with the following:

“nated if, before March 29, 2012, it has been established by an officer, in accordance with the regulations, that the applicant does not meet the”

The question was put on the amendment of Jinny Jogindera Sims and it was negatived.

Jinny Jogindera Sims moved, — That Bill C-38, in Clause 707, be amended

(a) by replacing line 42 on page 405 to line 2 on page 406 with the following:

“nated if, before March 29, 2012, it has been established by an officer, in accordance with the regulations, that the applicant does not meet the”

(b) by deleting lines 10 to 23 on page 406.

The question was put on the amendment of Jinny Jogindera Sims and it was negatived.

Jinny Jogindera Sims moved, — That Bill C-38, in Clause 707, be amended

(a) by replacing line 42 on page 405 to line 2 on page 406 with the following:

“nated if it has been established by an officer, in accordance with the regulations, that the applicant does not meet the”

(b) by replacing lines 7 to 9 on page 406 with the following:

“has made a final determination.”

The question was put on the amendment of Jinny Jogindera Sims and it was negatived.

Jinny Jogindera Sims moved, — That Bill C-38, in Clause 707, be amended by deleting lines 10 to 23 on page 406.

The question was put on the amendment of Jinny Jogindera Sims and it was negatived.

By unanimous consent, Clauses 707 to 710 inclusive carried on division severally.

It was agreed — That the Committee have a general debate on Clauses 711 and 712.

Graham Barr answered questions.

After debate, by unanimous consent, Clauses 711 and 712 carried on division severally.

By unanimous consent, Clauses 713 to 753 inclusive carried severally.

Schedule 1 carried.

It was agreed — That the Committee have a general debate on the Short Title.

After debate, the Short Title carried on division.

It was agreed — That the Committee have a general debate on the Title.

After debate, the Title carried on division.

The Bill carried on division.

ORDERED, — That the Chair report the Bill to the House.

At 11:42 p.m., the Committee adjourned to the call of the Chair.

Guyanne L. Desforges
Clerk of the Committee

2012/06/15 8:44 a.m.