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MINUTES OF PROCEEDINGS
 
Meeting No. 21
 
Thursday, June 3, 2010
 

The Standing Committee on Transport, Infrastructure and Communities met at 9:17 a.m. this day, in Room 253-D, Centre Block, the Chair, Merv Tweed, presiding.

 

Members of the Committee present: Dennis Bevington, Lois Brown, Bonnie Crombie, Sukh Dhaliwal, Roger Gaudet, Brian Jean, Mario Laframboise, Colin Mayes, Blake Richards, Merv Tweed, Hon. Joseph Volpe and Jeff Watson.

 

Acting Members present: Gérard Asselin for Roger Gaudet.

 

In attendance: Library of Parliament: Dean Ruffili, Analyst; John Christopher, Analyst. House of Commons: Wayne Cole, Legislative Clerk; Lucie Tardif-Carpentier, Legislative Clerk.

 
Pursuant to the Order of Reference of Wednesday, March 3, 2010, the Committee resumed consideration of Bill C-442, An Act to establish a National Holocaust Monument.
 

The Committee resumed its clause-by-clause study of the Bill.

 

On Clause 7,

Joseph Volpe moved, — That Bill C-442, in Clause 7, be amended by deleting lines 11 to 13 on page 3.

 

The question was put on the amendment of Joseph Volpe and it was negatived, by a show of hands: YEAS: 4; NAYS: 6.

 
Brian Jean moved, — That Bill C-442, in Clause 7, be amended by replacing lines 12 and 13 on page 3 with the following:

“ing campaign to cover the cost of planning, designing, constructing, installing and maintaining the Monument, and any other costs incurred by the Council.”

 

The Chair ruled the proposed amendment inadmissible because it was beyond the scope of the Bill, as provided on page 766 of House of Commons Procedure and Practice, Second Edition.

 

Whereupon, Brian Jean appealed the decision of the Chair.

The question: "Shall the decision of the Chair be sustained?" was put and the decision was overturned on the following recorded division: YEAS: Dennis Bevington, Bonnie Crombie, Sukh Dhaliwal, Joseph Volpe — 4; NAYS: Lois Brown, Roger Gaudet, Brian Jean, Mario Laframboise, Colin Mayes, Blake Richards, Jeff Watson — 7.

 

Debate arose thereon.

 

Joseph Volpe moved, — That the Committee do now adjourn.

 

The question was put on the motion and it was negatived.

 

At 10:09 a.m., the sitting was suspended.

At 10:23 a,m., the sitting resumed.

 
The Committee resumed consideration of the amendment of Brian Jean, — That Bill C-442, in Clause 7, be amended by replacing lines 12 and 13 on page 3 with the following:

“ing campaign to cover the cost of planning, designing, constructing, installing and maintaining the Monument, and any other costs incurred by the Council.”

 

By unanimous consent, the amendment was withdrawn.

 

Brian Jean moved, — That the Committee continue to sit until clause-by-clause consideration of Bill C-442 is completed.

 

After debate, the question was put on the motion and it was agreed to, by a show of hands: YEAS: 8; NAYS: 3.

 

At 11:04 a.m., the sitting was suspended.

At 11:25 a.m., the sitting resumed in Room 209, West Block.

 
Brian Jean moved, — That Bill C-442, in Clause 7, be amended by replacing lines 12 and 13 on page 3 with the following:

“ing campaign to cover the cost of planning, designing, constructing, installing and maintaining the Monument, and any other costs incurred by the Council.”

 

The Chair ruled the proposed amendment inadmissible because it was beyond the scope of the Bill, as provided on page 766 of House of Commons Procedure and Practice, Second Edition.

 

Whereupon, Brian Jean appealed the decision of the Chair.

The question: "Shall the decision of the Chair be sustained?" was put and the decision was overturned on the following recorded division: YEAS: Dennis Bevington, Bonnie Crombie, Sukh Dhaliwal, Joseph Volpe — 4; NAYS: Lois Brown, Roger Gaudet, Brian Jean, Mario Laframboise, Colin Mayes, Blake Richards, Jeff Watson — 7.

 

Dennis Bevington moved, — That the amendment be amended by replacing the word “cover” with the word “support”.

 

At 12:35 p.m., the sitting was suspended.

At 12:45 p.m., the sitting resumed.

 

After debate, the question was put on the subamendment of Dennis Bevington and it was agreed to.

 

After debate, the question was put on the amendment of Brian Jean, as amended, and it was agreed to.

 

Clause 7, as amended, carried.

 

On Clause 8,

Brian Jean moved, — That Bill C-442, in Clause 8, be amended by replacing lines 14 to 16 on page 3 with the following:

“8. The Minister may delegate to the Council his or her responsibilities under paragraphs 6(a) and (c) and subsection 7(1).”

Debate arose thereon.

 

The Chair ruled the proposed amendment inadmissible because it was moved at the wrong place in the Bill, as provided on page 768 of House of Commons Procedure and Practice, Second Edition, and also because it was beyond the scope of the Bill, as provided on page 766 of House of Commons Procedure and Practice, Second Edition.

 

Whereupon, Brian Jean appealed the decision of the Chair.

The question: "Shall the decision of the Chair be sustained?" was put and the decision was overturned on the following recorded division: YEAS: Dennis Bevington, Bonnie Crombie, Sukh Dhaliwal, Joseph Volpe — 4; NAYS: Lois Brown, Roger Gaudet, Brian Jean, Mario Laframboise, Colin Mayes, Blake Richards, Jeff Watson — 7.

 

After debate, the question was put on the amendment of Brian Jean and it was agreed to, by a show of hands: YEAS: 6; NAYS: 4.

 
Mario Laframboise moved, — That Bill C-442, in Clause 8, be amended by adding after line 16 on page 3 the following:

“8. (2) Nothing shall prevent the Minister from contributing funds for the cost of planning, designing, constructing, installing and maintaining the Monument.”

Debate arose thereon.

 

The Chair ruled the proposed amendment inadmissible because it was moved at the wrong place in the Bill, as provided on page 768 of House of Commons Procedure and Practice, Second Edition, and also because it was beyond the scope of the Bill, as provided on page 766 of House of Commons Procedure and Practice, Second Edition.

 

Whereupon, Brian Jean appealed the decision of the Chair.

The question: "Shall the decision of the Chair be sustained?" was put and the decision was overturned on the following recorded division: YEAS: Dennis Bevington, Bonnie Crombie, Sukh Dhaliwal, Joseph Volpe — 4; NAYS: Lois Brown, Roger Gaudet, Brian Jean, Mario Laframboise, Colin Mayes, Blake Richards, Jeff Watson — 7.

 

The question was put on the amendment of Mario Laframboise and it was agreed to.

 

Clause 8, as amended, carried on division.

 

On Clause 9,

Brian Jean moved, — That Bill C-442, in Clause 9, be amended by replacing lines 18 and 19 on page 3 with the following:

“later than three years after the day on which sufficient funds, as determined by the National Capital Commission, have been raised under subsection 7(2).”

Debate arose thereon.

 

On motion of Mario Laframboise, it was agreed, — That the amendment be amended by replacing the words “National Capital Commission” with the word “Minister ”.

 

The question was put on the amendment of Brian Jean, as amended, and it was agreed to on division.

 

Clause 9, as amended, carried on division.

 

On new Clause 10,

Brian Jean moved, — That Bill C-442 be amended by adding after line 19 on page 3 the following new clause:

“ANNUAL REPORT

10. The Council shall submit an annual report to the Minister on its activities. The first report shall be submitted within 15 months after the day on which the Council is established under section 4.”

Debate arose thereon.

 

Mario Laframboise moved, — That the amendment be amended by adding after the word “Minister” the words “and the appropriate Committee of the House”.

 

After debate, the question was put on the subamendment of Mario Laframboise and it was agreed to.

 

The question was put on the amendment of Brian Jean, as amended, and it was agreed to.

 

On new Clause 11,

Brian Jean moved, — That Bill C-442 be amended by adding after line 19 on page 3 the following new clause:

“TRANSFER OF PROPERTY

11. (1) Once the Monument has been installed it becomes the property of the National Capital Commission.

(2) Once the Monument has become the property of the National Capital Commission, the Council shall transfer to the National Capital Commission any funds remaining from its fundraising campaign. ”

 

After debate, the question was put on the amendment of Brian Jean and it was agreed to.

 

At 2:01 p.m., the sitting was suspended.

At 3:32 p.m., the sitting resumed.

 

The Committee reverted to Clause 2 previously stood.

 

On Clause 2,

Brian Jean moved, — That Bill C-442, in Clause 2, be amended by replacing line 10 on page 2 with the following:

“Minister under section 4 and directed as such by the Minister to form a legal entity in order to properly manage the functions and ensure good governance and accountability of said council.”

 

The Chair ruled the proposed amendment inadmissible because it proposed a substantive amendment to the Bill by way of a modification to the interpretation clause, as provided on page 769 of House of Commons Procedure and Practice, Second Edition.

 

Whereupon, Brian Jean appealed the decision of the Chair.

The question: "Shall the decision of the Chair be sustained?" was put and the decision was overturned on the following recorded division: YEAS: Dennis Bevington, Bonnie Crombie, Sukh Dhaliwal, Joseph Volpe — 4; NAYS: Lois Brown, Roger Gaudet, Brian Jean, Mario Laframboise, Colin Mayes, Blake Richards, Jeff Watson — 7.

 

After debate, the question was put on the amendment of Brian Jean and it was agreed to, by a show of hands: YEAS: 6; NAYS: 3.

 
Brian Jean moved, — That Bill C-442, in Clause 2, be amended by deleting lines 15 to 17 on page 2.

Debate arose thereon.

 

The Chair ruled the proposed amendment inadmissible because it proposed a substantive amendment to the Bill by way of a modification to the interpretation clause, as provided on page 769 of House of Commons Procedure and Practice, Second Edition.

 

Clause 2, as amended, carried on division.

 

The Preamble carried.

 

The Short Title carried.

 

The Title carried.

 

The Bill, as amended, carried on division.

 

ORDERED, — That the Chair report the Bill, as amended, to the House.

 

ORDERED, — That Bill C-442, as amended, be reprinted for the use of the House at report stage.

 
The Committee proceeded to the consideration of matters related to Committee business.
 

Dennis Bevington moved, — That the Standing Committee on Transport, Infrastructure and Communities engage in a study of the Federal government’s oil spill response planning and capacity, with particular interest in response to spills caused by off-shore drilling along all three coasts, and report the results of the study and make recommendations to the House of Commons.

Debate arose thereon.

 

It was agreed, — That debate resume on the motion under consideration at the beginning of the Committee's next meeting.

 

At 4:05 p.m., the Committee adjourned to the call of the Chair.

 



Bonnie Charron
Clerk of the Committee

 
 
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