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Meeting No. 8
Thursday, November 25, 2004

The Standing Committee on Public Accounts met in a televised session at 3:34 p.m. this day, in Room 237-C Centre Block, the Chair, John Williams, presiding.


Members of the Committee present: Dean Allison, Gary Carr, David Christopherson, Brian Fitzpatrick, Sébastien Gagnon, Mark Holland, Benoît Sauvageau and John Williams.


Acting Members present: Rob Anders for Daryl Kramp, Rodger Cuzner for Hon. Shawn Murphy, Russ Powers for Hon. Walt Lastewka and Alan Tonks for Borys Wrzesnewskyj.


Delegation: Parliament of South Africa: Francois Beukman, Member of Parliament and Chairperson; Ronald Mofokeng, Member of Parliament ; Louisa Mabe, Member of Parliament; Edward Trent, Member of Parliament.

Pursuant to Standing Order 108(3)(g), the Committee commenced consideration of the November 2004 Report of the Auditor General of Canada referred to the Committee on Tuesday, November 23, 2004.

Sheila Fraser made a statement and, with the other witnesses, answered questions.

At 4:53 p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 81(5), the Committee resumed consideration of the Supplementary Estimates (A) 2004-2005: Vote 20a under FINANCE referred to the Committee on Thursday, November 4, 2004.

Vote 20a under FINANCE carried.


ORDERED, — That the Chair report Vote 20a under FINANCE to the House.


At 4:54 p.m., the sitting was suspended.

At 4:55 p.m., the sitting resumed.

The Committee proceeded to the consideration of matters related to Committee business.

The Chair presented the Third Report from the Subcommittee on Agenda and Procedure which reads as follows:

Your Subcommittee met on Wednesday, November 24, 2004, to consider the business of the Committee and agreed to make the following recommendations:

1. That the draft report on Sponsorship prepared by the researchers during the last Parliament be circulated to Committee members for their consideration with a view to tabling a report;

2. That the Committee undertake a study into Governance and Accountability within the Federal Public Service, with an emphasis on ministerial and deputy ministerial accountability;

3. That the Committee move to adopt the Supplementary Estimates during its meeting of Thursday, November 25, 2004 and that the decision to call the President of the Treasury Board regarding the lack of response to the Auditor General’s request for temporary funding and for a methodology to deal with permanent funding be made at a later date;

4. That four (4) Committee members, one from each party, travel to Brisbane Australia to attend the 2005 Australasian Council of Public Accounts Committees (ACPAC), as well as to Canberra Australia to further the Committee’s investigation into accountability and governance within the Federal Public Service, from January 31 – February 9, 2005 and that the necessary staff accompany the Committee;

5. That a travel budget of $109,700.00 be approved by the Committee in relation to the trip to Australia, and that the Chair be instructed to present the travel budget to the Liaison Committee for its consideration at the earliest opportunity;

6. That the Committee begin a study into the following Chapters of the November 2004 Report of the Auditor General:

Chapter 1 – Internal Audit in Departments and Agencies (as part of its study of Governance and Accountability within the Public Service);

Chapter 4 – Management of Federal Drug Benefit Programs;

Chapter 5 – Indian and Northern Affairs Canada – Education Program and Post-Secondary Student Support.


It was agreed, — That the Third Report of the Subcommittee be concurred in.


At 5:17 p.m., the Committee adjourned to the call of the Chair.


Elizabeth B. Kingston
Clerk of the Committee

2004/11/29 5:14 p.m.