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HOUSE OF COMMONS OF CANADA
37th PARLIAMENT, 2nd SESSION


JOURNALS

No. 82

Tuesday, April 1, 2003

10:00 a.m.



Prayers

Daily Routine Of Business

Tabling of Documents

Pursuant to Standing Order 32(2), Mr. Regan (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons) laid upon the Table, — Government responses, pursuant to Standing Order 36(8), to the following petitions:

— Nos. 372-1175 and 372-1176 concerning the Divorce Act. — Sessional Paper No. 8545-372-27-05;

— Nos. 372-1179 and 372-1197 concerning the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms. — Sessional Paper No. 8545-372-44-09.

Statements by Ministers

Pursuant to Standing Order 33(1), Mr. Nault (Minister of Indian Affairs and Northern Development) made a statement.

Presenting Reports from Inter-parliamentary Delegations

Pursuant to Standing Order 34(1), Mr. Wilfert (Oak Ridges) presented the report of the Canadian delegation of the Canada-Japan Interparliamentary Group respecting its participation at the 11th Annual Meeting of the Asia-Pacific Parliamentary Forum (APPF) held in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia, from January 13 to 15, 2003. — Sessional Paper No. 8565-372-57-04.

Presenting Petitions

Pursuant to Standing Order 36, petitions certified correct by the Clerk of Petitions were presented as follows:

— by Mr. Comartin (Windsor—St. Clair) , one concerning transportation (No. 372-1328);

— by Mr. Szabo (Mississauga South) , one concerning marriage (No. 372-1329) and one concerning stem cell research (No. 372-1330).

Government Orders

The House resumed consideration of the motion of Mr. Manley (Minister of Finance) , seconded by Mr. Paradis (Secretary of State (Latin America and Africa) (Francophonie)) , — That Bill C-28, An Act to implement certain provisions of the budget tabled in Parliament on February 18, 2003, be now read a second time and referred to the Standing Committee on Finance;

And of the amendment of Mr. Penson (Peace River) , seconded by Mr. Duncan (Vancouver Island North) , — That the motion be amended by deleting all the words after the word “That” and substituting the following:

“Bill C-28, An Act to implement certain provisions of the budget tabled in Parliament on February 18, 2003, be not now read a second time but that it be read a second time this day six months hence.”.

The debate continued.

The attention of the Speaker was drawn to the lack of a quorum and, fewer than 20 Members having been counted, pursuant to Standing Order 29(3), the bells were rung to call in the Members.

After one minute, a quorum was found.

The House resumed consideration of the motion of Mr. Manley (Minister of Finance) , seconded by Mr. Paradis (Secretary of State (Latin America and Africa) (Francophonie)) , — That Bill C-28, An Act to implement certain provisions of the budget tabled in Parliament on February 18, 2003, be now read a second time and referred to the Standing Committee on Finance;

And of the amendment of Mr. Penson (Peace River) , seconded by Mr. Duncan (Vancouver Island North) , — That the motion be amended by deleting all the words after the word “That” and substituting the following:

“Bill C-28, An Act to implement certain provisions of the budget tabled in Parliament on February 18, 2003, be not now read a second time but that it be read a second time this day six months hence.”.

The debate continued.

Motions

By unanimous consent, it was ordered, — That, at the conclusion of today's debate on Bill C-280, An Act to amend the Criminal Code (selling wildlife), all questions necessary to dispose of the second reading stage of the bill be deemed put and a recorded division deemed requested and deferred until Wednesday, April 2, 2003, at the expiry of the time provided for Oral Questions.

Government Orders

The House resumed consideration of the motion of Mr. Manley (Minister of Finance) , seconded by Mr. Paradis (Secretary of State (Latin America and Africa) (Francophonie)) , — That Bill C-28, An Act to implement certain provisions of the budget tabled in Parliament on February 18, 2003, be now read a second time and referred to the Standing Committee on Finance;

And of the amendment of Mr. Penson (Peace River) , seconded by Mr. Duncan (Vancouver Island North) , — That the motion be amended by deleting all the words after the word “That” and substituting the following:

“Bill C-28, An Act to implement certain provisions of the budget tabled in Parliament on February 18, 2003, be not now read a second time but that it be read a second time this day six months hence.”.

The debate continued.

Statements By Members

Pursuant to Standing Order 31, Members made statements.

Oral Questions

Pursuant to Standing Order 30(5), the House proceeded to Oral Questions.

deferred recorded divisions

Private Members' Business

Pursuant to Order made Friday, March 28, 2003, the House proceeded to the taking of the deferred recorded division on the motion of Mr. Casson (Lethbridge) , seconded by Mr. Anderson (Cypress Hills—Grasslands) , — That Bill C-314, An Act to amend the Canada Transportation Act, be now read a second time and referred to the Standing Committee on Transport.

The question was put on the motion and it was negatived on the following division:

+

(Division No. 133 -- Vote no 133)

YEAS: 83, NAYS: 132

YEAS -- POUR
Abbott
Ablonczy
Anderson (Cypress Hills—Grasslands)
Bachand (Saint-Jean)
Bachand (Richmond--Arthabaska)
Barnes (Gander—Grand Falls)
Benoit
Bergeron
Bigras
Bourgeois
Breitkreuz
Cardin
Casson
Chatters
Clark
Crête
Cummins
Dalphond-Guiral
Desrochers
Doyle
Duceppe
Duncan
Epp
Fitzpatrick
Fournier
Gagnon (Champlain)
Gagnon (Lac-Saint-Jean—Saguenay)
Gagnon (Québec)
Gallant
Gauthier
Girard-Bujold
Goldring
Gouk
Grey
Guay
Guimond
Hearn
Herron
Hill (Prince George--Peace River)
Hill (Macleod)
Hilstrom
Jaffer
Johnston
Keddy (South Shore)
Laframboise
Lalonde
Lebel
Lincoln
Lunn (Saanich—Gulf Islands)
Lunney (Nanaimo—Alberni)
Martin (Esquimalt--Juan de Fuca)
Mayfield
McTeague
Ménard
Meredith
Merrifield
Mills (Red Deer)
Moore
Penson
Perron
Picard (Drummond)
Plamondon
Reid (Lanark—Carleton)
Reynolds
Ritz
Rocheleau
Roy
Sauvageau
Schmidt
Skelton
Solberg
Sorenson
Spencer
St-Hilaire
Stinson
Strahl
Vellacott
Venne
Wappel
White (North Vancouver)
White (Langley--Abbotsford)
Williams
Yelich -- 83
NAYS -- CONTRE
Adams
Alcock
Allard
Anderson (Victoria)
Assad
Assadourian
Augustine
Bagnell
Bakopanos
Barnes (London West)
Beaumier
Bélanger
Bellemare
Bevilacqua
Binet
Blondin-Andrew
Bonin
Bonwick
Boudria
Brown
Bryden
Byrne
Calder
Cannis
Caplan
Carignan
Carroll
Castonguay
Catterall
Cauchon
Chamberlain
Coderre
Collenette
Comartin
Copps
Cotler
Cullen
Cuzner
Davies
Desjarlais
DeVillers
Dhaliwal
Dion
Dromisky
Drouin
Duplain
Easter
Eggleton
Eyking
Farrah
Finlay
Godfrey
Godin
Goodale
Graham
Harvard
Harvey
Hubbard
Jackson
Jennings
Jordan
Karygiannis
Keyes
Kilgour (Edmonton Southeast)
Knutson
Kraft Sloan
Lastewka
LeBlanc
Lee
Lill
MacAulay
Mahoney
Malhi
Maloney
Manley
Marcil
Marleau
Masse
McCallum
McDonough
McGuire
McLellan
Minna
Mitchell
Murphy
Myers
Nault
Neville
Normand
Nystrom
O'Brien (London--Fanshawe)
O'Reilly
Owen
Pacetti
Pagtakhan
Paradis
Patry
Peric
Peterson
Pettigrew
Pickard (Chatham--Kent Essex)
Pillitteri
Pratt
Price
Proulx
Reed (Halton)
Regan
Robillard
Rock
Saada
Savoy
Scherrer
Sgro
Shepherd
Simard
St-Jacques
St. Denis
Steckle
Stewart
Szabo
Telegdi
Thibault (West Nova)
Thibeault (Saint-Lambert)
Tirabassi
Tonks
Torsney
Ur
Valeri
Vanclief
Wasylycia-Leis
Whelan
Wilfert -- 132
PAIRED -- PAIRÉS
Asselin
Bertrand
Bulte
Gaudet
Karetak-Lindell
Lanctôt
Loubier
Macklin
Marceau
Martin (LaSalle--Émard)
McCormick
Paquette
Redman
Tremblay

Government Orders

Pursuant to Standing Order 45, the House resumed consideration of the motion of Mr. Cauchon (Minister of Justice) , seconded by Mr. Thibault (Minister of Fisheries and Oceans) , — That Bill C-20, An Act to amend the Criminal Code (protection of children and other vulnerable persons) and the Canada Evidence Act, be now read a second time and referred to the Standing Committee on Justice and Human Rights.

The House proceeded to the taking of the deferred recorded division on the motion of Mrs. Jennings (Parliamentary Secretary to the Solicitor General of Canada) , seconded by Ms. Thibeault (Saint-Lambert) , — That this question be now put.

The question was put on the motion and it was agreed to on the following division:

+-

(Division No. 134 -- Vote no 134)

YEAS: 127, NAYS: 87

YEAS -- POUR
Adams
Alcock
Allard
Anderson (Victoria)
Assad
Assadourian
Augustine
Bagnell
Bakopanos
Barnes (London West)
Beaumier
Bélanger
Bellemare
Bevilacqua
Binet
Blondin-Andrew
Bonin
Bonwick
Boudria
Brown
Bryden
Byrne
Calder
Cannis
Caplan
Carignan
Carroll
Castonguay
Catterall
Cauchon
Chamberlain
Coderre
Collenette
Copps
Cotler
Cullen
Cuzner
DeVillers
Dhaliwal
Dion
Dromisky
Drouin
Duplain
Easter
Eggleton
Eyking
Farrah
Finlay
Godfrey
Goodale
Graham
Harvard
Harvey
Hubbard
Jackson
Jennings
Jordan
Karygiannis
Keyes
Kilgour (Edmonton Southeast)
Knutson
Kraft Sloan
Lastewka
LeBlanc
Lee
Lincoln
MacAulay
Mahoney
Malhi
Maloney
Manley
Marcil
Marleau
McCallum
McGuire
McLellan
McTeague
Minna
Mitchell
Murphy
Myers
Nault
Neville
Normand
O'Brien (London--Fanshawe)
O'Reilly
Owen
Pacetti
Pagtakhan
Paradis
Patry
Peric
Peterson
Pettigrew
Pickard (Chatham--Kent Essex)
Pillitteri
Pratt
Price
Proulx
Reed (Halton)
Regan
Robillard
Rock
Saada
Savoy
Scherrer
Sgro
Shepherd
Simard
St-Jacques
St. Denis
Steckle
Stewart
Szabo
Telegdi
Thibault (West Nova)
Thibeault (Saint-Lambert)
Tirabassi
Tonks
Torsney
Ur
Valeri
Vanclief
Venne
Wappel
Whelan
Wilfert -- 127
NAYS -- CONTRE
Abbott
Ablonczy
Anderson (Cypress Hills—Grasslands)
Bachand (Saint-Jean)
Bachand (Richmond--Arthabaska)
Barnes (Gander—Grand Falls)
Benoit
Bergeron
Bigras
Bourgeois
Breitkreuz
Cardin
Casson
Chatters
Clark
Comartin
Crête
Cummins
Dalphond-Guiral
Davies
Desjarlais
Desrochers
Doyle
Duceppe
Duncan
Epp
Fitzpatrick
Fournier
Gagnon (Québec)
Gagnon (Champlain)
Gagnon (Lac-Saint-Jean—Saguenay)
Gallant
Gauthier
Girard-Bujold
Godin
Goldring
Gouk
Grey
Guay
Guimond
Hearn
Herron
Hill (Macleod)
Hill (Prince George--Peace River)
Hilstrom
Jaffer
Johnston
Keddy (South Shore)
Laframboise
Lalonde
Lill
Lunn (Saanich—Gulf Islands)
Lunney (Nanaimo—Alberni)
Martin (Esquimalt--Juan de Fuca)
Masse
Mayfield
McDonough
Ménard
Meredith
Merrifield
Mills (Red Deer)
Moore
Nystrom
Penson
Perron
Picard (Drummond)
Plamondon
Reid (Lanark—Carleton)
Reynolds
Ritz
Rocheleau
Roy
Sauvageau
Schmidt
Skelton
Solberg
Sorenson
Spencer
St-Hilaire
Stinson
Strahl
Vellacott
Wasylycia-Leis
White (Langley--Abbotsford)
White (North Vancouver)
Williams
Yelich -- 87
PAIRED -- PAIRÉS
Asselin
Bertrand
Bulte
Gaudet
Karetak-Lindell
Lanctôt
Loubier
Macklin
Marceau
Martin (LaSalle--Émard)
McCormick
Paquette
Redman
Tremblay

Pursuant to Standing Order 61(2), the House proceeded to the putting of the question on the motion of Mr. Cauchon (Minister of Justice) , seconded by Mr. Thibault (Minister of Fisheries and Oceans) , – That Bill C-20, An Act to amend the Criminal Code (protection of children and other vulnerable persons) and the Canada Evidence Act, be now read a second time and referred to the Standing Committee on Justice and Human Rights.

The question was put on the motion and it was agreed to on the following division:

-

(Division No. 135 -- Vote no 135)

YEAS: 163, NAYS: 51

YEAS -- POUR
Adams
Alcock
Allard
Anderson (Victoria)
Assad
Assadourian
Augustine
Bachand (Saint-Jean)
Bagnell
Bakopanos
Barnes (London West)
Beaumier
Bélanger
Bellemare
Bergeron
Bevilacqua
Bigras
Binet
Blondin-Andrew
Bonin
Bonwick
Boudria
Bourgeois
Brown
Bryden
Byrne
Calder
Cannis
Caplan
Cardin
Carignan
Carroll
Castonguay
Catterall
Cauchon
Chamberlain
Coderre
Collenette
Comartin
Copps
Cotler
Crête
Cullen
Cuzner
Dalphond-Guiral
Davies
Desjarlais
Desrochers
DeVillers
Dhaliwal
Dion
Dromisky
Drouin
Duceppe
Duplain
Easter
Eggleton
Eyking
Farrah
Finlay
Fournier
Gagnon (Québec)
Gagnon (Champlain)
Gagnon (Lac-Saint-Jean—Saguenay)
Gauthier
Girard-Bujold
Godfrey
Godin
Goodale
Graham
Guay
Guimond
Harvard
Harvey
Hubbard
Jackson
Jennings
Jordan
Karygiannis
Keyes
Kilgour (Edmonton Southeast)
Knutson
Kraft Sloan
Laframboise
Lalonde
Lastewka
LeBlanc
Lee
Lill
Lincoln
MacAulay
Mahoney
Malhi
Maloney
Manley
Marcil
Marleau
Masse
McCallum
McDonough
McGuire
McLellan
McTeague
Ménard
Minna
Mitchell
Murphy
Myers
Nault
Neville
Normand
Nystrom
O'Brien (London--Fanshawe)
O'Reilly
Owen
Pacetti
Pagtakhan
Paradis
Patry
Peric
Perron
Peterson
Pettigrew
Picard (Drummond)
Pickard (Chatham--Kent Essex)
Pillitteri
Plamondon
Pratt
Price
Proulx
Reed (Halton)
Regan
Robillard
Rocheleau
Rock
Roy
Saada
Sauvageau
Savoy
Scherrer
Sgro
Shepherd
Simard
St-Hilaire
St-Jacques
St. Denis
Steckle
Stewart
Szabo
Telegdi
Thibault (West Nova)
Thibeault (Saint-Lambert)
Tirabassi
Tonks
Torsney
Ur
Valeri
Vanclief
Venne
Wappel
Wasylycia-Leis
Whelan
Wilfert -- 163
NAYS -- CONTRE
Abbott
Ablonczy
Anderson (Cypress Hills—Grasslands)
Bachand (Richmond--Arthabaska)
Barnes (Gander—Grand Falls)
Benoit
Breitkreuz
Casson
Chatters
Clark
Cummins
Doyle
Duncan
Epp
Fitzpatrick
Gallant
Goldring
Gouk
Grey
Hearn
Herron
Hill (Macleod)
Hill (Prince George--Peace River)
Hilstrom
Jaffer
Johnston
Keddy (South Shore)
Lunn (Saanich—Gulf Islands)
Lunney (Nanaimo—Alberni)
Martin (Esquimalt--Juan de Fuca)
Mayfield
Meredith
Merrifield
Mills (Red Deer)
Moore
Penson
Reid (Lanark—Carleton)
Reynolds
Ritz
Schmidt
Skelton
Solberg
Sorenson
Spencer
Stinson
Strahl
Vellacott
White (Langley--Abbotsford)
White (North Vancouver)
Williams
Yelich -- 51
PAIRED -- PAIRÉS
Asselin
Bertrand
Bulte
Gaudet
Karetak-Lindell
Lanctôt
Loubier
Macklin
Marceau
Martin (LaSalle--Émard)
McCormick
Paquette
Redman
Tremblay

Accordingly, the Bill was read the second time and referred to the Standing Committee on Justice and Human Rights.

Government Orders

The House resumed consideration of the motion of Mr. Manley (Minister of Finance) , seconded by Mr. Paradis (Secretary of State (Latin America and Africa) (Francophonie)) , — That Bill C-28, An Act to implement certain provisions of the budget tabled in Parliament on February 18, 2003, be now read a second time and referred to the Standing Committee on Finance;

And of the amendment of Mr. Penson (Peace River) , seconded by Mr. Duncan (Vancouver Island North) , — That the motion be amended by deleting all the words after the word “That” and substituting the following:

“Bill C-28, An Act to implement certain provisions of the budget tabled in Parliament on February 18, 2003, be not now read a second time but that it be read a second time this day six months hence.”.

The debate continued.

The question was put on the amendment and, pursuant to Standing Order 45, the recorded division was deferred until Wednesday, April 2, 2003, at the expiry of the time provided for Oral Questions.


The House resumed consideration of the motion of Mr. Easter (Solicitor General of Canada) , seconded by Mr. Boudria (Minister of State and Leader of the Government in the House of Commons) , — That Bill C-23, An Act respecting the registration of information relating to sex offenders, to amend the Criminal Code and to make consequential amendments to other Acts, be now read a second time and referred to the Standing Committee on Justice and Human Rights;

And of the amendment of Mr. Ritz (Battlefords—Lloydminster) , seconded by Mr. Schmidt (Kelowna) , — That the motion be amended by deleting all the words after the word “That” and substituting the following:

“this House declines to give second reading to Bill C-23, An Act respecting the registration of information relating to sex offenders, to amend the Criminal Code and to make consequential amendments to other Acts, since the bill fails to require retroactive registration of sex offenders who have a 40% recidivism rate in order to avoid needing another offence before a repeat sex offender is added to the registry.”.

The debate continued.

The question was put on the amendment and, pursuant to Standing Order 45, the recorded division was deferred until Wednesday, April 2, 2003, at the expiry of the time provided for Oral Questions.

Motions

By unanimous consent, it was resolved, — That the Second Report of the Standing Committee on Industry, Science and Technology, presented on Wednesday, March 19, 2003, be concurred in.

Government Orders

The Order was read for the third reading of Bill C-13, An Act respecting assisted human reproduction.

Mr. Graham (Minister of Foreign Affairs) for Ms. McLellan (Minister of Health) , seconded by Mr. Vanclief (Minister of Agriculture and Agri-Food) , moved, — That the Bill be now read a third time and do pass.

Debate arose thereon.

Mr. Merrifield (Yellowhead) , seconded by Mr. Penson (Peace River) , moved the following amendment, — That the motion be amended by deleting all the words after the word “That” and substituting the following:

“Bill C-13, An Act respecting assisted human reproduction, be not now read a third time but be referred back the Standing Committee on Health for the purpose of reconsidering Clause 18 with the view to allow children born through donor eggs or sperm to know the identity of their biological parents.”.

Debate arose thereon.

Private Members' Business

At 5:52 p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 30(7), the House proceeded to the consideration of Private Members' Business.

Mr. Cannis (Scarborough Centre) , seconded by Mr. Adams (Peterborough) , moved, — That, in the opinion of this House, the government should call upon the United Kingdom to return the Parthenon Marbles to Greece in order to be restored in their authentic context, as the Marbles represent a unique and integral part of world heritage and should be returned to their country of origin, before the 28th Olympiad in Athens, Greece, in 2004. (Private Members' Business M-318)

Debate arose thereon.

The question was put on the motion and it was agreed to.


At 6:46 p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 30(7), the House resumed consideration of the motion of Ms. Meredith (South Surrey—White Rock—Langley) , seconded by Miss Grey (Edmonton North) , — That Bill C-280, An Act to amend the Criminal Code (selling wildlife), be now read a second time and referred to the Standing Committee on Environment and Sustainable Development.

Pursuant to Order made earlier today, the question was deemed put on the motion and the recorded division was deemed requested and deferred until Wednesday, April 2, 2003, at the expiry of the time provided for Oral Questions.

Messages from the Senate

A message was received from the Senate as follows:

    — ORDERED: That a message be sent to the House of Commons to acquaint that House that the Senate has passed Bill C-3, An Act to amend the Canada Pension Plan and the Canada Pension Plan Investment Board Act, without amendment.

Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House

Pursuant to Standing Order 32(1), papers deposited with the Clerk of the House were laid upon the Table as follows:

— by Ms. Copps (Minister of Canadian Heritage) — Report of the review of the provisions and operations of the Status of the Artist Act, including the government's response thereto, pursuant to the Status of the Artist Act, S.C. 1992, c. 33, subs. 66. — Sessional Paper No. 8560-372-807-1. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(5), permanently referred to the Standing Committee on Canadian Heritage)

— by Mr. Dhaliwal (Minister of Natural Resources) — Report of the Nuclear Waste Management Organization, together with the Auditors' Report, pursuant to the Nuclear Fuel Waste Act, S.C. 2002, c. 23, sbs. 19(1). — Sessional Paper No. 8560-372-808-01. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(5), permanently referred to the Standing Committee on Aboriginal Affairs, Northern Development and Natural Resources)

— by Mr. Pettigrew (Minister for International Trade) — Report of Export Development Canada for the fiscal year ended December 31, 2002, pursuant to the Privacy Act, R.S. 1985, c. P-21, sbs. 72(2). — Sessional Paper No. 8561-372-702-01. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(5), permanently referred to the Standing Committee on Justice and Human Rights)

Adjournment

At 6:48 p.m., the Speaker adjourned the House until tomorrow at 2:00 p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 24(1).