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HOUSE OF COMMONS OF CANADA
37th PARLIAMENT, 2nd SESSION


JOURNALS

No. 6

Monday, October 7, 2002

11:00 a.m.



The Clerk informed the House of the unavoidable absence of the Speaker.

Whereupon, Mr. Bélair (Timmins--James Bay) , Deputy Chairman of Committees of the Whole, took the Chair, pursuant to Standing Order 8.

Prayers

Government Orders

Pursuant to Standing Order 57, Mr. Boudria (Minister of State and Leader of the Government in the House of Commons) , seconded by Mr. McCallum (Minister of National Defence) , moved, — That, in relation to the consideration of Government Business Nos. 2A and 2B, the debate not be further adjourned.

Pursuant to Standing Order 67.1, the House proceeded to the question period regarding the moving of the closure motion.

The question was put on the motion and it was agreed to on the following division:

+

(Division No. 3 -- Vote no 3)

YEAS: 115, NAYS: 60

YEAS -- POUR
Adams
Alcock
Anderson (Victoria)
Assad
Assadourian
Augustine
Barnes (London West)
Bélanger
Bellemare
Bennett
Bertrand
Bevilacqua
Binet
Blondin-Andrew
Bonin
Bonwick
Boudria
Bradshaw
Brown
Bryden
Bulte
Caccia
Calder
Caplan
Carignan
Carroll
Castonguay
Catterall
Cauchon
Charbonneau
Coderre
Collenette
Cotler
Cullen
Cuzner
DeVillers
Dromisky
Drouin
Duplain
Easter
Eggleton
Eyking
Farrah
Folco
Gallaway
Godfrey
Goodale
Grose
Guarnieri
Harb
Harvey
Hubbard
Jackson
Jennings
Jordan
Karetak-Lindell
Keyes
Kilgour (Edmonton Southeast)
Knutson
Lastewka
LeBlanc
Lee
Longfield
MacAulay
Mahoney
Malhi
Maloney
Manley
Marcil
Marleau
Matthews
McCallum
McCormick
McGuire
McKay (Scarborough East)
McLellan
Minna
Mitchell
Myers
Nault
O'Brien (Labrador)
O'Reilly
Paradis
Patry
Peric
Pickard (Chatham--Kent Essex)
Pillitteri
Pratt
Price
Proulx
Redman
Reed (Halton)
Regan
Robillard
Rock
Saada
Savoy
Scherrer
Scott
Sgro
Shepherd
Simard
St. Denis
Stewart
Szabo
Telegdi
Thibault (West Nova)
Thibeault (Saint-Lambert)
Tonks
Torsney
Valeri
Vanclief
Whelan
Wilfert
Wood -- 115
NAYS -- CONTRE
Ablonczy
Anders
Bachand (Saint-Jean)
Bailey
Blaikie
Borotsik
Brien
Brison
Burton
Cardin
Casson
Clark
Comartin
Crête
Desjarlais
Desrochers
Doyle
Duceppe
Epp
Fitzpatrick
Fournier
Godin
Goldring
Grey
Hanger
Harper
Hearn
Herron
Hill (Macleod)
Hill (Prince George--Peace River)
Hilstrom
Jaffer
Johnston
Kenney (Calgary Southeast)
Lalonde
Lanctôt
Lebel
MacKay (Pictou—Antigonish—Guysborough)
Marceau
Mark
Mayfield
Merrifield
Nystrom
Obhrai
Pallister
Penson
Picard (Drummond)
Rajotte
Reid (Lanark—Carleton)
Ritz
Roy
Schmidt
Skelton
Solberg
Sorenson
Stinson
Stoffer
Thompson (Wild Rose)
Toews
Wasylycia-Leis -- 60
PAIRED -- PAIRÉS
Allard
Asselin
Bagnell
Bergeron
Bigras
Bourgeois
Cannis
Copps
Dalphond-Guiral
Dhaliwal
Dion
Discepola
Dubé
Efford
Fry
Gagnon (Québec)
Gagnon (Champlain)
Gauthier
Graham
Guay
Guimond
Harvard
Laframboise
Laliberte
Loubier
McTeague
Ménard
Neville
Pagtakhan
Paquette
Parrish
Perron
Pettigrew
Plamondon
Speller
St-Hilaire

The House resumed consideration of the motion of Mr. Boudria (Minister of State and Leader of the Government in the House of Commons) , seconded by Mr. Pagtakhan (Minister of Veterans Affairs) , — That, in order to provide for the resumption and continuation of the business of the House begun in the previous Session of Parliament it is ordered:

1. That any evidence adduced by any Standing or Special Committee on any matter not reported upon in the previous Session shall be deemed to have been laid upon the Table in the present Session;

2. That during the first thirty sitting days of the present Session of Parliament, whenever a Minister of the Crown, when proposing a motion for first reading of a public bill, states that the said bill is in the same form as a bill introduced by a Minister of the Crown in the previous Session, if the Speaker is satisfied that the said bill is in the same form as at prorogation, notwithstanding Standing Order 71, the said bill shall be deemed in the current Session to have been considered and approved at all stages completed at the time of prorogation of the previous Session; (Government Business No. 2A)

And of the amendment of Mr. Hill (Macleod) , seconded by Mrs. Skelton (Saskatoon—Rosetown—Biggar) , — That motion No. 2A be amended by adding after the words “prorogation of the previous session” the following:

“provided that Bills C-15B and C-5, introduced in the previous session, be excluded from this process.”.

The House resumed consideration of the motion of Mr. Boudria (Minister of State and Leader of the Government in the House of Commons) , seconded by Mr. Pagtakhan (Minister of Veterans Affairs) , — That, in order to provide for the resumption and continuation of the business of the House begun in the previous Session of Parliament it is ordered:

That a special committee of the House be appointed to consider the factors underlying or relating to the non-medical use of drugs in Canada and make recommendations with respect to the ways and means by which the government can act, alone or in its relations with governments at other levels, in the reduction of the dimensions of the problems involved in such use;

That the membership of the committee be the same as the membership of the Special Committee on Non-Medical Use of Drugs at the time of prorogation of the First Session of the present Parliament, provided that substitutions may be made from time to time, if required, in the manner provided for in Standing Order 114(2);

That the committee shall have all of the powers granted to Standing Committees in Standing Order 108; and

That the committee shall present its final report no later than November 22, 2002. (Government Business No. 2B)

The debate continued on the motions.

Statements By Members

Pursuant to Standing Order 31, Members made statements.

Oral Questions

Pursuant to Standing Order 30(5), the House proceeded to Oral Questions.

Daily Routine Of Business

Tabling of Documents

Pursuant to Standing Order 32(2), Mr. O'Reilly (Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of National Defence) laid upon the Table, — Report of the Chief of the Defence Staff for 2001-02. — Sessional Paper No. 8525-372-2.


Pursuant to Standing Order 32(2), Mr. Regan (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons) laid upon the Table, — Government responses, pursuant to Standing Order 36(8), to the following petitions:

— Nos. 371-0791, 371-0810, 371-0814, 371-0849 and 371-0874 concerning the Canada Post Corporation. — Sessional Paper No. 8545-372-1-04.

Introduction of Private Members' Bills

Pursuant to Standing Orders 68(2) and 69(1), on motion of Mr. Cullen (Etobicoke North) , seconded by Mr. O'Brien (Labrador) , Bill C-212, An Act respecting user fees, was introduced, read the first time, ordered to be printed and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of the House.


Pursuant to Standing Orders 68(2) and 69(1), on motion of Mr. Hanger (Calgary Northeast) , seconded by Mr. Fitzpatrick (Prince Albert) , Bill C-213, An Act to amend the Criminal Code (violent crimes), was introduced, read the first time, ordered to be printed and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of the House.


Pursuant to Standing Orders 68(2) and 69(1), on motion of Mr. Hanger (Calgary Northeast) , seconded by Mr. Fitzpatrick (Prince Albert) , Bill C-214, An Act to amend the Criminal Code (dangerous child sexual predators), was introduced, read the first time and ordered to be printed.

Pursuant to Standing Order 86.1, the Order for second reading of the Bill (previously Bill C-396, 1st Session, 37th Parliament) was added to the bottom of the list of items in the order of precedence on the Order Paper.


Pursuant to Standing Orders 68(2) and 69(1), on motion of Mr. Hanger (Calgary Northeast) , seconded by Mr. Fitzpatrick (Prince Albert) , Bill C-215, An Act to amend the Criminal Code (prohibited sexual acts), was introduced, read the first time, ordered to be printed and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of the House.


Pursuant to Standing Orders 68(2) and 69(1), on motion of Mr. Nystrom (Regina—Qu'Appelle) , seconded by Mrs. Desjarlais (Churchill) , Bill C-216, An Act to amend the Referendum Act, was introduced, read the first time, ordered to be printed and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of the House.


Pursuant to Standing Orders 68(2) and 69(1), on motion of Mr. Nystrom (Regina—Qu'Appelle) , seconded by Mrs. Desjarlais (Churchill) , Bill C-217, An Act to amend the Business Development Bank of Canada Act and the Canada Student Loans Act to provide for a student loan system that is more supportive of students, was introduced, read the first time, ordered to be printed and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of the House.


Pursuant to Standing Orders 68(2) and 69(1), on motion of Mr. Nystrom (Regina—Qu'Appelle) , seconded by Mrs. Desjarlais (Churchill) , Bill C-218, An Act to amend the Pension Benefits Standards Act, 1985, was introduced, read the first time, ordered to be printed and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of the House.


Pursuant to Standing Orders 68(2) and 69(1), on motion of Mr. Bellemare (Ottawa—Orléans) , seconded by Mrs. Longfield (Whitby—Ajax) , Bill C-219, An Act to amend the Parliament of Canada Act (oath or solemn affirmation), was introduced, read the first time, ordered to be printed and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of the House.

Presenting Petitions

Pursuant to Standing Order 36, petitions certified correct by the Clerk of Petitions were presented as follows:

— by Ms. Marleau (Sudbury) , two concerning pornography (Nos. 372-0081 and 372-0082);

— by Mr. Casson (Lethbridge) , one concerning stem cell research (No. 372-0083);

— by Mr. Keyes (Hamilton West) , one concerning pornography (No. 372-0084);

— by Mr. Szabo (Mississauga South) , one concerning stem cell research (No. 372-0085);

— by Mr. MacKay (Pictou—Antigonish—Guysborough) , one concerning the fishing industry (No. 372-0086);

— by Ms. Bennett (St. Paul's) , one concerning the situation in Israel (No. 372-0087);

— by Mr. Malhi (Bramalea—Gore—Malton—Springdale) , one concerning Bangladesh (No. 372-0088).

Government Orders

The House resumed consideration of the motion of Mr. Boudria (Minister of State and Leader of the Government in the House of Commons) , seconded by Mr. Pagtakhan (Minister of Veterans Affairs) ; (Government Business No. 2A)

And of the amendment of Mr. Hill (Macleod) , seconded by Mrs. Skelton (Saskatoon—Rosetown—Biggar) .

The House resumed consideration of the motion of Mr. Boudria (Minister of State and Leader of the Government in the House of Commons) , seconded by Mr. Pagtakhan (Minister of Veterans Affairs) . (Government Business No. 2B)

The debate continued on the motions.

At 8:00 p.m., pursuant to Order made earlier today under the provisions of Standing Order 57, the Acting Speaker interrupted the proceedings.

The question was put on the amendment to Government Business No. 2A and it was negatived on the following division:

+-

(Division No. 4 -- Vote no 4)

YEAS: 63, NAYS: 137

YEAS -- POUR
Ablonczy
Anders
Anderson (Cypress Hills—Grasslands)
Bachand (Saint-Jean)
Bailey
Barnes (Gander—Grand Falls)
Benoit
Borotsik
Breitkreuz
Brien
Brison
Burton
Cardin
Casey
Casson
Clark
Crête
Desrochers
Doyle
Duceppe
Epp
Fitzpatrick
Fournier
Grey
Hanger
Harper
Hearn
Hill (Macleod)
Hilstrom
Hinton
Jaffer
Johnston
Keddy (South Shore)
Lalonde
Lanctôt
Lebel
Lunney (Nanaimo—Alberni)
MacKay (Pictou—Antigonish—Guysborough)
Marceau
Mark
Mayfield
Merrifield
Obhrai
Pallister
Penson
Picard (Drummond)
Rajotte
Reid (Lanark—Carleton)
Ritz
Rocheleau
Roy
Sauvageau
Schmidt
Skelton
Solberg
Sorenson
Spencer
Stinson
Thompson (Wild Rose)
Toews
Tremblay
White (Langley--Abbotsford)
Williams -- 63
NAYS -- CONTRE
Adams
Alcock
Anderson (Victoria)
Assad
Assadourian
Augustine
Barnes (London West)
Bélanger
Bellemare
Bennett
Bertrand
Bevilacqua
Binet
Blaikie
Blondin-Andrew
Bonin
Bonwick
Boudria
Bradshaw
Brown
Bryden
Byrne
Caccia
Calder
Caplan
Carignan
Carroll
Castonguay
Catterall
Cauchon
Chamberlain
Charbonneau
Coderre
Collenette
Comartin
Comuzzi
Cotler
Cullen
Cuzner
Desjarlais
DeVillers
Dromisky
Drouin
Duplain
Easter
Eggleton
Eyking
Farrah
Folco
Fontana
Gallaway
Godfrey
Godin
Goodale
Grose
Guarnieri
Harb
Harvey
Hubbard
Jackson
Jennings
Jordan
Karetak-Lindell
Karygiannis
Keyes
Kilgour (Edmonton Southeast)
Knutson
Lastewka
LeBlanc
Lee
Longfield
MacAulay
Mahoney
Malhi
Maloney
Manley
Marcil
Martin (LaSalle--Émard)
Matthews
McCallum
McCormick
McDonough
McGuire
McKay (Scarborough East)
McLellan
Minna
Mitchell
Murphy
Myers
Nault
Normand
Nystrom
O'Brien (London--Fanshawe)
O'Reilly
Paradis
Patry
Peric
Phinney
Pickard (Chatham--Kent Essex)
Pillitteri
Pratt
Price
Proctor
Proulx
Provenzano
Redman
Reed (Halton)
Regan
Robillard
Saada
Savoy
Scherrer
Scott
Sgro
Shepherd
Simard
St-Jacques
St-Julien
St. Denis
Steckle
Stewart
Stoffer
Szabo
Telegdi
Thibault (West Nova)
Thibeault (Saint-Lambert)
Tonks
Torsney
Ur
Valeri
Vanclief
Volpe
Wappel
Wasylycia-Leis
Whelan
Wilfert
Wood -- 137
PAIRED -- PAIRÉS
Allard
Asselin
Bagnell
Bergeron
Bigras
Bourgeois
Cannis
Copps
Dalphond-Guiral
Dhaliwal
Dion
Discepola
Dubé
Efford
Fry
Gagnon (Québec)
Gagnon (Champlain)
Gauthier
Graham
Guay
Guimond
Harvard
Laframboise
Laliberte
Loubier
McTeague
Ménard
Neville
Pagtakhan
Paquette
Parrish
Perron
Pettigrew
Plamondon
Speller
St-Hilaire

The question was put on the main motion and it was agreed to on the following division:

-

(Division No. 5 -- Vote no 5)

YEAS: 128, NAYS: 73

YEAS -- POUR
Adams
Alcock
Anderson (Victoria)
Assad
Assadourian
Augustine
Barnes (London West)
Bélanger
Bellemare
Bennett
Bertrand
Bevilacqua
Binet
Blondin-Andrew
Bonin
Bonwick
Boudria
Bradshaw
Brown
Bryden
Byrne
Caccia
Calder
Caplan
Carignan
Carroll
Castonguay
Catterall
Cauchon
Chamberlain
Charbonneau
Coderre
Collenette
Comuzzi
Cotler
Cullen
Cuzner
DeVillers
Dromisky
Drouin
Duplain
Easter
Eggleton
Eyking
Farrah
Folco
Fontana
Gallaway
Godfrey
Goodale
Grose
Guarnieri
Harb
Harvey
Hubbard
Jackson
Jennings
Jordan
Karetak-Lindell
Karygiannis
Keyes
Kilgour (Edmonton Southeast)
Knutson
Lastewka
LeBlanc
Lee
Longfield
MacAulay
Mahoney
Malhi
Maloney
Manley
Marcil
Martin (LaSalle--Émard)
Matthews
McCallum
McCormick
McGuire
McKay (Scarborough East)
McLellan
Minna
Mitchell
Murphy
Myers
Nault
Normand
O'Brien (London--Fanshawe)
O'Reilly
Paradis
Patry
Peric
Phinney
Pickard (Chatham--Kent Essex)
Pillitteri
Pratt
Price
Proulx
Provenzano
Redman
Reed (Halton)
Regan
Robillard
Saada
Savoy
Scherrer
Scott
Sgro
Shepherd
Simard
St-Jacques
St-Julien
St. Denis
Steckle
Stewart
Szabo
Telegdi
Thibault (West Nova)
Thibeault (Saint-Lambert)
Tonks
Torsney
Ur
Valeri
Vanclief
Volpe
Wappel
Whelan
Wilfert
Wood -- 128
NAYS -- CONTRE
Ablonczy
Anders
Anderson (Cypress Hills—Grasslands)
Bachand (Saint-Jean)
Bailey
Barnes (Gander—Grand Falls)
Benoit
Blaikie
Borotsik
Breitkreuz
Brien
Brison
Burton
Cardin
Casey
Casson
Clark
Comartin
Crête
Desjarlais
Desrochers
Doyle
Duceppe
Epp
Fitzpatrick
Fournier
Godin
Grey
Hanger
Harper
Hearn
Herron
Hill (Macleod)
Hilstrom
Hinton
Jaffer
Johnston
Keddy (South Shore)
Lalonde
Lanctôt
Lebel
Lunney (Nanaimo—Alberni)
MacKay (Pictou—Antigonish—Guysborough)
Marceau
Mark
Mayfield
McDonough
Merrifield
Nystrom
Obhrai
Pallister
Penson
Picard (Drummond)
Proctor
Rajotte
Reid (Lanark—Carleton)
Ritz
Rocheleau
Roy
Sauvageau
Schmidt
Skelton
Solberg
Sorenson
Spencer
Stinson
Stoffer
Thompson (Wild Rose)
Toews
Tremblay
Wasylycia-Leis
White (Langley--Abbotsford)
Williams -- 73
PAIRED -- PAIRÉS
Allard
Asselin
Bagnell
Bergeron
Bigras
Bourgeois
Cannis
Copps
Dalphond-Guiral
Dhaliwal
Dion
Discepola
Dubé
Efford
Fry
Gagnon (Québec)
Gagnon (Champlain)
Gauthier
Graham
Guay
Guimond
Harvard
Laframboise
Laliberte
Loubier
McTeague
Ménard
Neville
Pagtakhan
Paquette
Parrish
Perron
Pettigrew
Plamondon
Speller
St-Hilaire

The question was put on Government Business No. 2B and it was agreed to on division.

Emergency Debate

Pursuant to Standing Order 52(10), the House proceeded to the consideration of a motion to adjourn the House for the purpose of discussing an important matter requiring urgent consideration, namely, the farmer's situation in Western Canada.

Mr. Clark (Calgary Centre) , seconded by Mr. Borotsik (Brandon—Souris) , moved, — That this House do now adjourn.

Debate arose thereon.

At midnight, the Acting Speaker declared the motion adopted.

Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House

Pursuant to Standing Order 32(1), papers deposited with the Clerk of the House were laid upon the Table as follows:

— by Mr. Byrne (Minister of State (Atlantic Canada Opportunities Agency)) — Report of the Enterprise Cape Breton Corporation, together with the Auditor General's Report, for the fiscal year ended March 31, 2002, pursuant to the Financial Administration Act, R. S. 1985, c. F-11, sbs. 150(1). — Sessional Paper No. 8560-372-575-01. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(5), permanently referred to the Standing Committee on Industry, Science and Technology)

— by Mr. Graham (Minister of Foreign Affairs) — Report of the International Development Research Centre, together with the Auditor General's Report, for the fiscal year ended March 31, 2002, pursuant to the International Development Research Centre Act, R.S. 1985, c. I-19, sbs. 22(2). — Sessional Paper No. 8560-372-365-01. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(5), permanently referred to the Standing Committee on Foreign Affairs and International Trade)

— by Mr. Graham (Minister of Foreign Affairs) — Reports of the International Development Research Centre for the fiscal year ended March 31, 2002, pursuant to the Access to Information Act and to the Privacy Act, R.S. 1985, c. A-1 and P-21, sbs. 72(2). — Sessional Paper No. 8561-372-701-01. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(5), permanently referred to the Standing Committee on Justice and Human Rights)

— by Mr. Manley (Minister of Finance) — Report of the Office of the Superintendent of Financial Institutions, together with the Auditor General's Report, for the fiscal year ended March 31, 2002, pursuant to the Financial Institutions and Deposit Insurance System Amendment Act, R.S. 1985, c. 18 (3rd Supp.), s. 25. — Sessional Paper No. 8560-372-535-01. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(5), permanently referred to the Standing Committee on Finance)

— by Ms. McLellan (Minister of Health) — Report of the Hazardous Materials Information Review Commission for the fiscal year ended March 31, 2002, pursuant to the Hazardous Materials Information Review Act, S.C. 1987, c. 30, sbs. 45(2). — Sessional Paper No. 8560-372-538-01. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(5), permanently referred to the Standing Committee on Health)

— by Mr. Nault (Minister of Indian Affairs and Northern Development) — Report of the Canadian Polar Commission, together with the Auditor General's Report, for the fiscal year ended March 31, 2002, pursuant to the Canadian Polar Commission Act, S.C. 1991, c. 6, sbs. 21(2). — Sessional Paper No. 8560-372-498-01. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(5), permanently referred to the Standing Committee on Aboriginal Affairs, Northern Development and Natural Resources)

— by Mr. Nault (Minister of Indian Affairs and Northern Development) — Reports of the Northwest Territories Water Board for the fiscal year ended March 31, 2002, pursuant to the Access to Information Act and to the Privacy Act, R.S. 1985, c. A-1 and P-21, sbs. 72(2). — Sessional Paper No. 8561-372-730-01. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(5), permanently referred to the Standing Committee on Justice and Human Rights)

Adjournment

At midnight, the Acting Speaker adjourned the House until later today at 10:00 a.m., pursuant to Standing Order 24(1).