HOUSE OF COMMONS OF CANADA
37th PARLIAMENT, 2nd SESSION

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JOURNALS

No. 48

Wednesday, January 29, 2003

2:00 p.m.

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Prayers

National anthem

Statements By Members

Pursuant to Standing Order 31, Members made statements.

Tabling of Documents

The Speaker laid upon the Table, — Report of the Privacy Commissioner for the fiscal year ended March 31, 2002, pursuant to the Privacy Act, R.S. 1985, c. P-21, sbs. 40(1). — Sessional Paper No. 8560-372-626-01. (Pursuant to Standing Order 108(3)(f), permanently referred to the Standing Committee on Government Operations and Estimates)

Oral Questions

Pursuant to Standing Order 30(5), the House proceeded to Oral Questions.

Motions

By unanimous consent, it was ordered, — That, for the purposes of the debate pursuant to Standing Order 53.1, on this day only, the words “four hours of debate” in subsection 3(d) of the said Standing Order shall be read as “six hours of debate”.

Daily Routine Of Business

Tabling of Documents

Pursuant to Standing Order 32(2), Mr. Regan (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons) laid upon the Table, — Government responses, pursuant to Standing Order 36(8), to the following petitions:

— Nos. 372-0519, 372-0556 and 372-0594 concerning the fishing industry. — Sessional Paper No. 8545-372-22-04;

— Nos. 372-0572 to 372-0579, 372-0589 to 372-0591, 372-0593, 372-0595, 372-0598 and 372-0606 concerning pornography. — Sessional Paper No. 8545-372-25-13.

Introduction of Government Bills

Pursuant to Standing Orders 68(2) and 69(1), on motion of Mr. Boudria (Minister of State and Leader of the Government in the House of Commons) , seconded by Mr. Byrne (Minister of State (Atlantic Canada Opportunities Agency)) , Bill C-24, An Act to amend the Canada Elections Act and the Income Tax Act (political financing), was introduced, read the first time, ordered to be printed and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of the House.

Recommendation
(Pursuant to Standing Order 79(2))

Her Excellency the Governor General recommends to the House of Commons the appropriation of public revenue under the circumstances, in the manner and for the purposes set out in a measure entitled “An Act to amend the Canada Elections Act and the Income Tax Act (political financing)”.

Statements by Ministers

Pursuant to Standing Order 33(1), Mr. Boudria (Minister of State and Leader of the Government in the House of Commons) made a statement.

Presenting Reports from Inter-parliamentary Delegations

Pursuant to Standing Order 34(1), Mr. O'Reilly (Haliburton—Victoria—Brock) presented the Report of the Canadian NATO Parliamentary Association respecting its participation at the 48th Annual Sessional of the NATO Parliamentary Assembly, held in Ottawa from November 15 to 19, 2002. — Sessional Paper No. 8565-372-50-02.

Introduction of Private Members' Bills

Pursuant to Standing Orders 68(2) and 69(1), on motion of Mr. Herron (Fundy—Royal) , seconded by Mr. Borotsik (Brandon—Souris) , Bill C-346, An Act to ensure safe drinking water throughout Canada, was introduced, read the first time, ordered to be printed and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of the House.

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Pursuant to Standing Orders 68(2) and 69(1), on motion of Mr. Gouk (Kootenay—Boundary—Okanagan) , seconded by Mr. Goldring (Edmonton Centre-East) , Bill C-347, An Act to amend the Criminal Code (eliminating conditional sentencing for violent offenders), was introduced, read the first time, ordered to be printed and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of the House.

Presenting Reports from Committees

By unanimous consent, Mr. Adams (Peterborough) , from the Standing Committee on Procedure and House Affairs, presented the 15th Report of the Committee, which was as follows:

The Committee recommends, pursuant to Standing Orders 104 and 114, the following changes in the membership of standing committees:

Aboriginal Affairs, Northern Development and Natural Resources

Stan Dromisky for John Efford Charles Hubbard for John Finlay Julian Reed for Brent St. Denis

Agriculture and Agri-Food

Gérard Binet for Murray Calder John O’Reilly for Charles Hubbard

Canadian Heritage

Carole-Marie Allard for Rodger Cuzner John Efford for Claude Duplain Alex Shepherd for Tony Tirabassi

Citizenship and Immigration

Sarkis Assadourian for Mark Assad Massimo Pacetti for John Godfrey John O’Reilly for Steve Mahoney John Bryden for Joe Peschisolido

Environment and Sustainable Development

Mark Assad for Nancy Karetak-Lindell Joe Jordan for Karen Redman

Fisheries and Oceans

Carmen Provenzano for Dominic LeBlanc Bob Wood for Sarkis Assadourian

Foreign Affairs and International Trade

Murray Calder for Patrick O’Brien André Harvey for Marlene Jennings Karen Redman for Sarkis Assadourian

Government Operations and Estimates

Raymonde Folco for Liza Frulla Judy Sgro for Andy Scott Tony Tirabassi for Alex Shepherd

Health

Raymonde Folco for Judy Sgro

Human Resources Development and the Status of Persons with Disabilities

Peter Adams for Alan Tonks John Finlay for Raymonde Folco Ovid Jackson for Serge Marcil Larry McCormick for John Efford

Industry, Science and Technology

Gilbert Normand for Nick Discepola

Justice and Human Rights

Marlene Jennings for Lynn Myers Patrick O'Brien for Ivan Grose Joe Peschisolido for Carole-Marie Allard

National Defence and Veterans Affairs

Dominic LeBlanc for John O’Reilly Anita Neville for Bob Wood Lawrence O’Brien for Colleen Beaumier

Official Languages

Mark Assad for Gérard Binet Carole-Marie Allard for Sarmite Bulte John Bryden for Massimo Pacetti

Public Accounts

Colleen Beaumier for Joe Peschisolido Roger Gaudet for Gilles Perron Steve Mahoney for John Bryden Massimo Pacetti for Robert Bertrand Tony Tirabassi for Alex Shepherd

Transport

Larry Bagnell for André Harvey Liza Frulla for Raymond Simard Patrick O’Brien for Alex Shepherd

The Committee also recommends, pursuant to Standing Orders 104 and 114, that the names of the following Members be added to the lists of associate members of standing committees:

Human Resources Development and the Status of Persons with Disabilities

Sébastien Gagnon

National Defence and Veterans Affairs

Marlene Catterall Dan McTeague John O’Reilly	Carmen Provenzano Rose-Marie Ur Bob Wood

Public Accounts

Gilles Perron

Transport

Antoine Dubé

The Committee recommends, pursuant to Standing Orders 104 and 114, that the name of the following Member be added to the list of associate members of the standing joint committee:

Scrutiny of Regulations

Benoît Sauvageau

The Committee also recommends, pursuant to Standing Orders 104 and 114, that the name of the following Member be deleted from the list of associate members of the standing joint committee:

Scrutiny of Regulations

Pierre Brien

The Committee recommends, pursuant to Standing Orders 104 and 107, that the name of the following Member be added to the list of associate members of the Liaison Committee:

Benoît Sauvageau

The Committee also recommends, pursuant to Standing Orders 104 and 107, that the following Member’s name be deleted from the list of associate members of the Liaison Committee:

Pierre Brien

The Committee further recommends that where a Member’s name is added to the list of members of a committee by this report and the Member’s name was on the list of associate members of that committee, the Member’s name be struck from the list of associate members.

A copy of the relevant Minutes of Proceedings (Meeting No. 1) was tabled.

Motions

By unanimous consent, it was ordered, — That the 15th Report of the Standing Committee on Procedure and House Affairs, presented earlier today, be concurred in.

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By unanimous consent, it was ordered, — That the membership of the Standing Committee on Procedure and House Affairs be modified as follows:

Rodger Cuzner for Wayne Easter

Lynn Myers for Tony Tirabassi

Benoît Sauvageau for Pierre Brien.

Presenting Petitions

Pursuant to Standing Order 36, petitions certified correct by the Clerk of Petitions were presented as follows:

— by Mr. Herron (Fundy—Royal) , one concerning pornography (No. 372-0903);

— by Mr. Stinson (Okanagan—Shuswap) , one concerning the Canada Post Corporation (No. 372-0904);

— by Mr. Thompson (Wild Rose) , one concerning pornography (No. 372-0905);

— by Mr. Szabo (Mississauga South) , one concerning stem cell research (No. 372-0906);

— by Mr. Adams (Peterborough) , one concerning the Canada Post Corporation (No. 372-0907) and one concerning stem cell research (No. 372-0908).

Notices of Motions for the Production of Papers

The Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers P-15 was called pursuant to Standing Order 97(1) and was transferred by the Clerk to “Notices of Motions (Papers)”.

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The Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers P-16 was called pursuant to Standing Order 97(1) and was transferred by the Clerk to “Notices of Motions (Papers)”.

Government Orders

The House resumed consideration at report stage of Bill C-13, An Act respecting assisted human reproduction, as reported by the Standing Committee on Health with amendments;

And of the motions in Group No. 4 (Motions Nos. 52, 53, 55, 61, 64, 71, 72, 74, 75 and 77).

Group No. 4

Motion No. 52 of Ms. McLellan (Minister of Health) , seconded by Mr. Mitchell (Secretary of State (Rural Development) (Federal Economic Development Initiative for Northern Ontario)) , — That Bill C-13, in Clause 14, be amended by replacing lines 8 to 10 on page 9 with the following:

“(b) to the extent required by the regulations, make counselling services available to the person;”

Motion No. 53 of Ms. McLellan (Minister of Health) , seconded by Mr. Mitchell (Secretary of State (Rural Development) (Federal Economic Development Initiative for Northern Ontario)) , — That Bill C-13, in Clause 14, be amended by replacing lines 14 to 17 on page 9 with the following:

“(d) in accordance with the regulations, provide the person with the information that the Agency makes available to the public under paragraph 19(i).”

Motion No. 55 of Mr. Szabo (Mississauga South) , seconded by Mrs. Longfield (Whitby—Ajax) , — That Bill C-13 be amended by adding after line 27 on page 11 the following new clause:

“16.1 (1) The Agency shall prescribe standarized forms and information disclosures related to the terms, conditions, options and other information relevant to the donation, use and ultimate disposal of human reproductive material for use by all fertility clinics or other parties that obtain human reproductive material for human reproduction or research purposes in accordance with the regulations.

(2) The information referred to in subsection (1) shall specifically include

(a) details on the option to give embryos up for adoption; and

(b) the facts related to what percentage of embryos donated for embryonic stem cell research are likely to produce stem cell lines that would meet the research quality requirements.

(3) All forms and information disclosures shall be approved by Parliament.”

Motion No. 61 of Mr. Szabo (Mississauga South) , seconded by Ms. Thibeault (Saint-Lambert) , — That Bill C-13, in Clause 21, be amended by adding after line 3 on page 15 the following:

“(3) The Official Languages Act applies to the Agency.”

Motion No. 64 of Ms. McLellan (Minister of Health) , seconded by Mr. Mitchell (Secretary of State (Rural Development) (Federal Economic Development Initiative for Northern Ontario)) , — That Bill C-13, in Clause 24, be amended by replacing lines 31 to 35 on page 15 with the following:

“the professions respecting assisted human reproduction and other matters to which this Act applies, and their regulation under this Act, and respecting risk factors associated with infertility;”

Motion No. 71 of Ms. McLellan (Minister of Health) , seconded by Mr. Mitchell (Secretary of State (Rural Development) (Federal Economic Development Initiative for Northern Ontario)) , — That Bill C-13, in Clause 26, be amended by deleting lines 30 to 33 on page 16.

Motion No. 72 of Ms. McLellan (Minister of Health) , seconded by Mr. Mitchell (Secretary of State (Rural Development) (Federal Economic Development Initiative for Northern Ontario)) , — That Bill C-13, in Clause 26, be amended by deleting lines 10 to 17 on page 17.

Motion No. 74 of Ms. McLellan (Minister of Health) , seconded by Mr. Mitchell (Secretary of State (Rural Development) (Federal Economic Development Initiative for Northern Ontario)) , — That Bill C-13, in Clause 32, be amended by replacing lines 34 and 35 on page 18 with the following:

“its powers under section 40, 41 or 42 or any of its powers or duties”

Motion No. 75 of Mr. Szabo (Mississauga South) , seconded by Mrs. Longfield (Whitby—Ajax) , — That Bill C-13, in Clause 34, be amended by replacing line 12 on page 19 with the following:

“eligible for reappointment for one additional term of office only.”

Motion No. 77 of Mr. Szabo (Mississauga South) , seconded by Mrs. Longfield (Whitby—Ajax) , — That Bill C-13, in Clause 39, be amended by adding after line 34 on page 20 the following:

“(4) The Agency shall establish a dispute resolution process, which may include arbitration, to resolve any disagreement which may arise between the Agency, the donors, the licensees and any other relevant parties.”

The debate continued on the motions in Group No. 4.

Mr. Szabo (Mississauga South) , seconded by Ms. Brown (Oakville) , moved the following amendment, — That Motion No. 52 be amended by adding after the word “person” the following:

“and ensure that the person receives them”

The debate continued on the motions in Group No. 4.

The question was put on the amendment to Motion No. 52 and Motions Nos. 53, 55 and 64 and, pursuant to Standing Order 76.1(8), the recorded divisions were deferred.

The question was put on Motion No. 71 and it was agreed to.

Private Members' Business

At 5:55 p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 30(7), the House proceeded to the consideration of Private Members' Business.

The House resumed consideration of the motion of Mr. Stoffer (Sackville—Musquodoboit Valley—Eastern Shore) , seconded by Ms. Davies (Vancouver East) , — That Bill C-206, An Act to amend the Employment Insurance Act (persons who leave employment to be care-givers to family members), be now read a second time and referred to the Standing Committee on Human Resources Development and the Status of Persons with Disabilities.

The debate continued.

Pursuant to Standing Order 93, the Order was dropped to the bottom of the order of precedence on the Order Paper.

Government Orders

At 6:56 p.m., pursuant to Order made Monday, January 27, 2003, under the provisions of Standing Order 53.1, the House resolved itself into a Committee of the Whole for the consideration of the following motion, — That this Committee take note of the situation in Iraq. (Government Business No. 13)

MIDNIGHT

At 12:55 a.m., the Comittee rose.

Adjournment

At 12:56 a.m., the Speaker adjourned the House until later today at 10:00 a.m., pursuant to Standing Order 24(1).