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HOUSE OF COMMONS OF CANADA
37th PARLIAMENT, 2nd SESSION


JOURNALS

No. 150

Tuesday, November 4, 2003

10:00 a.m.



Prayers

Daily Routine Of Business

Tabling of Documents

The Speaker laid upon the Table, — Document entitled “Individual Member's Expenditures” for the fiscal year ended March 31, 2003. — Sessional Paper No. 8527-372-15.


Pursuant to Standing Order 32(2), Mr. Regan (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons) laid upon the Table, — Government responses, pursuant to Standing Order 36(8), to the following petitions:

— Nos. 372-1555, 372-2038, 372-2043, 372-2082, 372-2083, 372-2101, 372-2106, 372-2113 and 372-2114 concerning the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms. — Sessional Paper No. 8545-372-44-16.

Presenting Reports from Committees

Mr. Steckle (Huron—Bruce) , from the Standing Committee on Agriculture and Agri-Food, presented the Third Report of the Committee, “The Investigation and the Government Response Following the Discovery of a Single Case of Bovine Spongiform Encephalopathy”. — Sessional Paper No. 8510-372-160.

Pursuant to Standing Order 109, the Committee requested that the government table a comprehensive response.

A copy of the relevant Minutes of Proceedings (Meetings Nos. 32, 36, 39 to 41, 44 to 46, 48 and 51) was tabled.


Mr. Lee (Scarborough—Rouge River) , from the Standing Committee on Government Operations and Estimates, presented the Ninth Report of the Committee, “Matters Related to the Review of the Office of the Privacy Commissioner”. — Sessional Paper No. 8510-372-161.

Introduction of Private Members' Bills

Pursuant to Standing Orders 68(2) and 69(1), on motion of Mr. Bigras (Rosemont—Petite-Patrie) , seconded by Ms. Picard (Drummond) , Bill C-465, An Act to amend the Food and Drugs Act (natural health products), was introduced, read the first time, ordered to be printed and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of the House.

Presenting Petitions

Pursuant to Standing Order 36, petitions certified correct by the Clerk of Petitions were presented as follows:

— by Mrs. Gallant (Renfrew—Nipissing—Pembroke) , seventeen concerning marriage (Nos. 372-2395 to 372-2411);

— by Mr. Robinson (Burnaby—Douglas) , one concerning international trade (No. 372-2412);

— by Mr. O'Brien (London—Fanshawe) , three concerning marriage (Nos. 372-2413 to 372-2415);

— by Mr. Goldring (Edmonton Centre-East) , three concerning war on Iraq (Nos. 372-2416 to 372-2418);

— by Mr. Mayfield (Cariboo—Chilcotin) , one concerning abortion (No. 372-2419);

— by Mr. Szabo (Mississauga South) , two concerning marriage (Nos. 372-2420 and 372-2421);

— by Ms. Davies (Vancouver East) , one concerning the electoral system (No. 372-2422) and one concerning the National Missile Defence Program (No. 372-2423);

— by Mr. Calder (Dufferin—Peel—Wellington—Grey) , one concerning marriage (No. 372-2424);

— by Ms. Wasylycia-Leis (Winnipeg North Centre) , two concerning health care services (Nos. 372-2425 and 372-2426) and five concerning alcoholic beverages (Nos. 372-2427 to 372-2431);

— by Mr. Lunney (Nanaimo—Alberni) , three concerning marriage (Nos. 372-2432 to 372-2434).

Government Orders

Notice having been given at a previous sitting under the provisions of Standing Order 78(3), Mr. Boudria (Minister of State and Leader of the Government in the House of Commons) , seconded by Mr. Knutson (Secretary of State (Central and Eastern Europe and Middle East)) , moved, — That, in relation to Bill C-6, An Act to establish the Canadian Centre for the Independent Resolution of First Nations Specific Claims to provide for the filing, negotiation and resolution of specific claims and to make related amendments to other Acts, not more than one further sitting day shall be allotted to the stage of consideration of Senate amendments to the Bill; and

That, 15 minutes before the expiry of the time provided for Government Orders on the day allotted to the consideration of the said stage of the said Bill, any proceedings before the House shall be interrupted, if required for the purpose of this Order, and, in turn, every question necessary for the disposal of the said stage of the Bill shall be put forthwith and successively, without further debate or amendment.

Pursuant to Standing Order 67.1, the House proceeded to the question period regarding the moving of the time allocation motion.

The question was put on the motion and it was agreed to on the following division:

+

(Division No. 273 -- Vote no 273)

YEAS: 125, NAYS: 97

YEAS -- POUR
Alcock
Allard
Anderson (Victoria)
Assadourian
Augustine
Bagnell
Bakopanos
Barrette
Beaumier
Bélanger
Bellemare
Bennett
Bertrand
Bevilacqua
Binet
Blondin-Andrew
Bonin
Bonwick
Boudria
Bradshaw
Brown
Bryden
Bulte
Byrne
Caccia
Calder
Cannis
Caplan
Carroll
Castonguay
Catterall
Cauchon
Chrétien
Coderre
Collenette
Comuzzi
Copps
Cotler
Cuzner
DeVillers
Dhaliwal
Dion
Drouin
Duplain
Easter
Eyking
Folco
Fontana
Frulla
Fry
Godfrey
Goodale
Graham
Harvard
Hubbard
Jennings
Jobin
Jordan
Karetak-Lindell
Keyes
Kilgour (Edmonton Southeast)
Knutson
Lastewka
LeBlanc
Lee
Leung
Longfield
MacAulay
Macklin
Mahoney
Maloney
Manley
Marcil
Marleau
Matthews
McCallum
McCormick
McGuire
McLellan
McTeague
Minna
Mitchell
Myers
Nault
Neville
O'Brien (Labrador)
O'Brien (London--Fanshawe)
O'Reilly
Owen
Pacetti
Pagtakhan
Paradis
Parrish
Patry
Peric
Pettigrew
Phinney
Pickard (Chatham--Kent Essex)
Pillitteri
Pratt
Price
Proulx
Redman
Regan
Robillard
Rock
Savoy
Scott
Serré
Sgro
Shepherd
Simard
Speller
St-Jacques
St. Denis
Stewart
Szabo
Thibault (West Nova)
Thibeault (Saint-Lambert)
Tonks
Torsney
Vanclief
Volpe
Whelan
Wood -- 125
NAYS -- CONTRE
Abbott
Anderson (Cypress Hills—Grasslands)
Asselin
Bachand (Saint-Jean)
Bailey
Benoit
Bergeron
Bigras
Borotsik
Bourgeois
Breitkreuz
Burton
Cadman
Cardin
Casson
Chatters
Comartin
Crête
Cummins
Dalphond-Guiral
Davies
Day
Desjarlais
Desrochers
Duceppe
Duncan
Elley
Epp
Fitzpatrick
Forseth
Fournier
Gagnon (Champlain)
Gagnon (Lac-Saint-Jean—Saguenay)
Gallant
Gaudet
Gauthier
Girard-Bujold
Godin
Goldring
Gouk
Grewal
Grey
Guay
Guimond
Hearn
Hill (Macleod)
Hill (Prince George--Peace River)
Hilstrom
Hinton
Johnston
Keddy (South Shore)
Laframboise
Laliberte
Lalonde
Lill
Lincoln
Loubier
Lunney (Nanaimo—Alberni)
Marceau
Mark
Martin (Winnipeg Centre)
Martin (Esquimalt--Juan de Fuca)
Masse
Mayfield
Ménard
Merrifield
Mills (Red Deer)
Moore
Pallister
Paquette
Penson
Perron
Picard (Drummond)
Rajotte
Reid (Lanark—Carleton)
Reynolds
Robinson
Rocheleau
Roy
Sauvageau
Schellenberger
Schmidt
Skelton
Solberg
Sorenson
Spencer
St-Hilaire
Stinson
Strahl
Thompson (Wild Rose)
Toews
Tremblay
Vellacott
Wasylycia-Leis
Wayne
White (Langley--Abbotsford)
Yelich -- 97

The House resumed consideration of the motion of Mr. Nault (Minister of Indian Affairs and Northern Development) , seconded by Mr. Boudria (Minister of State and Leader of the Government in the House of Commons) , — That the amendments made by the Senate to Bill C-6, An Act to establish the Canadian Centre for the Independent Resolution of First Nations Specific Claims to provide for the filing, negotiation and resolution of specific claims and to make related amendments to other Acts, be now read a second time and concurred in.

The debate continued.

Deferred Recorded Divisions

Pursuant to Standing Order 45, the recorded division on the motion for second reading of Bill C-54, An Act to amend the Federal-Provincial Fiscal Arrangements Act and the Federal-Provincial Fiscal Arrangements Regulations, 1999, was further deferred until later today, at the expiry of the time provided for Government Orders.

Motions

By unanimous consent, it was ordered, — That, notwithstanding the provisions of Standing Order 67.1, the expiry of the time provided for Government Orders remain 5:30 p.m.

Government Orders

The House resumed consideration of the motion of Mr. Nault (Minister of Indian Affairs and Northern Development) , seconded by Mr. Boudria (Minister of State and Leader of the Government in the House of Commons) , — That the amendments made by the Senate to Bill C-6, An Act to establish the Canadian Centre for the Independent Resolution of First Nations Specific Claims to provide for the filing, negotiation and resolution of specific claims and to make related amendments to other Acts, be now read a second time and concurred in.

The debate continued.

Statements By Members

Pursuant to Standing Order 31, Members made statements.

Oral Questions

Pursuant to Standing Order 30(5), the House proceeded to Oral Questions.

Government Orders

The House resumed consideration of the motion of Mr. Nault (Minister of Indian Affairs and Northern Development) , seconded by Mr. Boudria (Minister of State and Leader of the Government in the House of Commons) , — That the amendments made by the Senate to Bill C-6, An Act to establish the Canadian Centre for the Independent Resolution of First Nations Specific Claims to provide for the filing, negotiation and resolution of specific claims and to make related amendments to other Acts, be now read a second time and concurred in.

The debate continued.

Tabling of Documents

Pursuant to Standing Order 32(2), Mr. Boudria (Minister of State and Leader of the Government in the House of Commons) laid upon the Table, — Biographical notes concerning Maria Barrados, the nominee for the position of President of the Public Service Commission. — Sessional Paper No. 8530-372-12. (Pursuant to Standing Order 111.1(1), deemed referred to the Standing Committee on Government Operations and Estimates)

Government Orders

The House resumed consideration of the motion of Mr. Nault (Minister of Indian Affairs and Northern Development) , seconded by Mr. Boudria (Minister of State and Leader of the Government in the House of Commons) , — That the amendments made by the Senate to Bill C-6, An Act to establish the Canadian Centre for the Independent Resolution of First Nations Specific Claims to provide for the filing, negotiation and resolution of specific claims and to make related amendments to other Acts, be now read a second time and concurred in.

The debate continued.

At 5:15 p.m., pursuant to Order made earlier today under the provisions of Standing Order 78(3), the Speaker interrupted the proceedings.

The question was put on the motion and it was agreed to on the following division:

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(Division No. 274 -- Vote no 274)

YEAS: 121, NAYS: 104

YEAS -- POUR
Alcock
Allard
Anderson (Victoria)
Assadourian
Augustine
Bagnell
Bakopanos
Barrette
Bélair
Bélanger
Bellemare
Bertrand
Bevilacqua
Binet
Blondin-Andrew
Bonin
Bonwick
Boudria
Bradshaw
Brown
Bryden
Bulte
Byrne
Caccia
Calder
Caplan
Carroll
Castonguay
Catterall
Cauchon
Chamberlain
Charbonneau
Coderre
Collenette
Comuzzi
Copps
Cotler
Cuzner
DeVillers
Dhaliwal
Dion
Dromisky
Drouin
Duplain
Easter
Eggleton
Eyking
Folco
Fontana
Frulla
Godfrey
Goodale
Grose
Harvard
Harvey
Hubbard
Jennings
Jobin
Jordan
Karetak-Lindell
Karygiannis
Keyes
Kilgour (Edmonton Southeast)
Knutson
LeBlanc
Lee
Leung
MacAulay
Macklin
Mahoney
Malhi
Manley
Marcil
Matthews
McCallum
McGuire
McLellan
Minna
Mitchell
Myers
Nault
Neville
O'Brien (Labrador)
O'Brien (London--Fanshawe)
O'Reilly
Owen
Pacetti
Pagtakhan
Paradis
Parrish
Patry
Peric
Pettigrew
Phinney
Pratt
Price
Proulx
Provenzano
Redman
Regan
Robillard
Rock
Savoy
Scott
Sgro
Shepherd
Simard
Speller
St-Jacques
St. Denis
Steckle
Stewart
Szabo
Thibault (West Nova)
Thibeault (Saint-Lambert)
Tonks
Torsney
Vanclief
Volpe
Whelan
Wood -- 121
NAYS -- CONTRE
Abbott
Anders
Anderson (Cypress Hills—Grasslands)
Asselin
Bachand (Saint-Jean)
Barnes (Gander—Grand Falls)
Benoit
Bergeron
Bigras
Blaikie
Borotsik
Bourgeois
Breitkreuz
Burton
Cadman
Cardin
Casey
Casson
Chatters
Comartin
Crête
Cummins
Dalphond-Guiral
Davies
Day
Desjarlais
Desrochers
Doyle
Duceppe
Duncan
Elley
Epp
Fitzpatrick
Forseth
Fournier
Gagnon (Champlain)
Gagnon (Lac-Saint-Jean—Saguenay)
Gallant
Gaudet
Gauthier
Girard-Bujold
Godin
Goldring
Gouk
Grewal
Grey
Guay
Guimond
Hearn
Hill (Macleod)
Hill (Prince George--Peace River)
Hinton
Johnston
Keddy (South Shore)
Kraft Sloan
Laframboise
Laliberte
Lalonde
Lill
Lincoln
Loubier
Lunney (Nanaimo—Alberni)
MacKay (Pictou—Antigonish—Guysborough)
Marceau
Mark
Martin (Winnipeg Centre)
Martin (Esquimalt--Juan de Fuca)
Masse
McDonough
McNally
Ménard
Meredith
Merrifield
Mills (Red Deer)
Moore
Pallister
Paquette
Penson
Plamondon
Proctor
Rajotte
Reid (Lanark—Carleton)
Rocheleau
Roy
Sauvageau
Schellenberger
Schmidt
Skelton
Solberg
Sorenson
Spencer
St-Hilaire
St-Julien
Stinson
Strahl
Telegdi
Thompson (Wild Rose)
Toews
Tremblay
Vellacott
Venne
Wayne
White (Langley--Abbotsford)
Yelich -- 104
PAIRED -- PAIRÉS
Gagnon (Québec)
Lanctôt
Lastewka
Maloney
Perron
Picard (Drummond)
Pillitteri
Tirabassi

Deferred Recorded Divisions

Government Orders

Pursuant to Standing Order 45, the House proceeded to the taking of the deferred recorded division on the motion of Mr. Manley (Minister of Finance) , seconded by Mr. Knutson (Secretary of State (Central and Eastern Europe and Middle East)) , — That Bill C-54, An Act to amend the Federal-Provincial Fiscal Arrangements Act and the Federal-Provincial Fiscal Arrangements Regulations, 1999, be now read a second time and referred to the Standing Committee on Finance.

The question was put on the motion and it was agreed to on the following division:

-

(Division No. 275 -- Vote no 275)

YEAS: 188, NAYS: 39

YEAS -- POUR
Abbott
Alcock
Allard
Anderson (Victoria)
Anderson (Cypress Hills—Grasslands)
Assadourian
Augustine
Bagnell
Bakopanos
Barnes (Gander—Grand Falls)
Barrette
Bélair
Bélanger
Bellemare
Bennett
Benoit
Bertrand
Bevilacqua
Binet
Blondin-Andrew
Bonin
Bonwick
Borotsik
Boudria
Bradshaw
Breitkreuz
Brown
Bryden
Bulte
Burton
Byrne
Caccia
Cadman
Calder
Caplan
Carroll
Casey
Casson
Castonguay
Catterall
Cauchon
Chamberlain
Charbonneau
Chatters
Coderre
Collenette
Comuzzi
Copps
Cotler
Cummins
Cuzner
Day
DeVillers
Dhaliwal
Dion
Doyle
Dromisky
Drouin
Duncan
Duplain
Easter
Eggleton
Elley
Epp
Eyking
Fitzpatrick
Folco
Fontana
Forseth
Frulla
Gallant
Godfrey
Goldring
Goodale
Gouk
Grewal
Grey
Grose
Harvard
Harvey
Hearn
Hill (Macleod)
Hill (Prince George--Peace River)
Hilstrom
Hinton
Hubbard
Jennings
Jobin
Johnston
Jordan
Karetak-Lindell
Karygiannis
Keddy (South Shore)
Keyes
Kilgour (Edmonton Southeast)
Knutson
Kraft Sloan
Laliberte
LeBlanc
Lee
Leung
Lincoln
Lunney (Nanaimo—Alberni)
MacAulay
MacKay (Pictou—Antigonish—Guysborough)
Macklin
Mahoney
Malhi
Manley
Marcil
Mark
Martin (Esquimalt--Juan de Fuca)
Matthews
McCallum
McCormick
McGuire
McKay (Scarborough East)
McLellan
McNally
Meredith
Merrifield
Mills (Red Deer)
Minna
Mitchell
Moore
Myers
Nault
Neville
O'Brien (Labrador)
O'Brien (London--Fanshawe)
O'Reilly
Owen
Pacetti
Pagtakhan
Pallister
Paradis
Parrish
Patry
Penson
Peric
Pettigrew
Phinney
Pickard (Chatham--Kent Essex)
Pratt
Price
Proulx
Provenzano
Rajotte
Redman
Regan
Reid (Lanark—Carleton)
Robillard
Rock
Savoy
Schellenberger
Schmidt
Scott
Sgro
Shepherd
Simard
Skelton
Solberg
Sorenson
Speller
Spencer
St-Jacques
St-Julien
St. Denis
Steckle
Stewart
Stinson
Strahl
Szabo
Telegdi
Thibault (West Nova)
Thibeault (Saint-Lambert)
Thompson (Wild Rose)
Toews
Tonks
Torsney
Vanclief
Vellacott
Volpe
Wayne
Whelan
White (Langley--Abbotsford)
Wood
Yelich -- 188
NAYS -- CONTRE
Asselin
Bachand (Saint-Jean)
Bergeron
Bigras
Blaikie
Bourgeois
Cardin
Comartin
Crête
Dalphond-Guiral
Davies
Desjarlais
Desrochers
Duceppe
Fournier
Gagnon (Champlain)
Gagnon (Lac-Saint-Jean—Saguenay)
Gaudet
Gauthier
Girard-Bujold
Godin
Guay
Guimond
Laframboise
Lalonde
Lill
Marceau
Martin (Winnipeg Centre)
Masse
McDonough
Ménard
Paquette
Plamondon
Proctor
Rocheleau
Roy
Sauvageau
St-Hilaire
Venne -- 39
PAIRED -- PAIRÉS
Gagnon (Québec)
Lanctôt
Lastewka
Maloney
Perron
Picard (Drummond)
Pillitteri
Tirabassi

Accordingly, Bill C-54, An Act to amend the Federal-Provincial Fiscal Arrangements Act and the Federal-Provincial Fiscal Arrangements Regulations, 1999, was read the second time and referred to the Standing Committee on Finance.

Private Members' Business

At 5:58 p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 30(7), the House proceeded to the consideration of Private Members' Business.

The Order was read for the second reading and reference to the Standing Committee on Human Resources Development and the Status of Persons with Disabilities of Bill C-428, An Act to amend the Canada Pension Plan (adjusted pension for persons with other income above the level at which the second percentage of income tax applies).

Mr. Martin (Esquimalt—Juan de Fuca) , seconded by Mr. Epp (Elk Island) , moved, — That the Bill be now read a second time and referred to the Standing Committee on Human Resources Development and the Status of Persons with Disabilities.

Debate arose thereon.

Pursuant to Standing Order 93, the Order was dropped to the bottom of the order of precedence on the Order Paper.

Messages from the Senate

A message was received from the Senate as follows:

    — ORDERED: That a message be sent to the House of Commons to acquaint that House that the Senate has passed Bill C-25, An Act to modernize employment and labour relations in the public service and to amend the Financial Administration Act and the Canadian Centre for Management Development Act and to make consequential amendments to other Acts, without amendment.

Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House

Pursuant to Standing Order 32(1), papers deposited with the Clerk of the House were laid upon the Table as follows:

— by Ms. Caplan (Minister of National Revenue) — Response of the government, pursuant to Standing Order 109, to the 17th Report of the Standing Committee on Public Accounts (Public Accounts of Canada, 2001-2002, Volume II, Part II, Section 3) (Sessional Paper No. 8510-372-96), presented to the House on Friday, June 6, 2003. — Sessional Paper No. 8512-372-96.

— by Ms. Robillard (President of the Treasury Board) — Public Accounts of Canada for the fiscal year ended March 31, 2003, as follows: (1) Volume I -- Summary Report and Financial Statements, (2) Volume II, Part I -- Details of Expenses and Revenues, (3) Volume II, Part II -- Additional Information and Analyses, pursuant to the Financial Administration Act, R.S. 1985, c. F-11, sbs. 64(1). — Sessional Paper No. 8560-372-214-02. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(5), permanently referred to the Standing Committee on Public Accounts)

Petitions Filed with the Clerk of the House

Pursuant to Standing Order 36, petitions certified correct by the Clerk of Petitions were filed as follows:

— by Mr. Bonin (Nickel Belt) , two concerning stem cell research (Nos. 372-2435 and 372-2436);

— by Mrs. Redman (Kitchener Centre) , one concerning the Employment Insurance program (No. 372-2437).

Adjournment Proceedings

At 6:58 p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 38(1), the question “That this House do now adjourn” was deemed to have been proposed.

After debate, the question was deemed to have been adopted.

Accordingly, at 7:27 p.m., the Speaker adjourned the House until tomorrow at 2:00 p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 24(1).