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HOUSE OF COMMONS OF CANADA
37th PARLIAMENT, 2nd SESSION


JOURNALS

No. 136

Wednesday, October 8, 2003

2:00 p.m.



Prayers

National Anthem

Statements By Members

Pursuant to Standing Order 31, Members made statements.

Oral Questions

Pursuant to Standing Order 30(5), the House proceeded to Oral Questions.

Daily Routine Of Business

Tabling of Documents

Pursuant to Standing Order 32(2), Mr. Cuzner (Parliamentary Secretary to the Prime Minister) laid upon the Table, — Government responses, pursuant to Standing Order 36(8), to the following petitions:

— No. 372-1285 concerning the situation in Israel. — Sessional Paper No. 8545-372-36-02;

— Nos. 372-1320 to 372-1327 concerning Turkey. — Sessional Paper No. 8545-372-91-01;

— Nos. 372-1842 and 372-1852 concerning children's rights. — Sessional Paper No. 8545-372-43-05;

— Nos. 372-1981 and 372-1982 concerning war on Iraq. — Sessional Paper No. 8545-372-83-04.

Presenting Reports from Committees

Ms. Brown (Oakville) , from the Standing Committee on Health, presented the Sixth Report of the Committee (Bill C-260, An Act to amend the Hazardous Products Act (fire-safe cigarettes), with amendments). — Sessional Paper No. 8510-372-135.

A copy of the relevant Minutes of Proceedings (Meetings Nos. 20, 29, 32 and 57) was tabled.


Mr. Adams (Peterborough) , from the Standing Committee on Procedure and House Affairs, presented the 46th Report of the Committee (Bill C-49, An Act respecting the effective date of the representation order of 2003, with an amendment). — Sessional Paper No. 8510-372-136.

A copy of the relevant Minutes of Proceedings (Meetings Nos. 57 to 60) was tabled.


Mr. Williams (St. Albert) , from the Standing Committee on Public Accounts, presented the 22nd Report of the Committee (Supplementary Estimates (A), 2003-2004 -- Vote 20a under FINANCE). — Sessional Paper No. 8510-372-137.

A copy of the relevant Minutes of Proceedings (Meeting No. 39) was tabled.

Introduction of Private Members' Bills

Pursuant to Standing Orders 68(2) and 69(1), on motion of Mrs. Skelton (Saskatoon—Rosetown—Biggar) , seconded by Mr. Epp (Elk Island) , Bill C-454, An Act to amend the Criminal Code (section 606), was introduced, read the first time, ordered to be printed and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of the House.

Presenting Petitions

Pursuant to Standing Order 36, petitions certified correct by the Clerk of Petitions were presented as follows:

— by Mr. Breitkreuz (Yorkton—Melville) , three concerning marriage (Nos. 372-2131 to 372-2133);

— by Mr. Malhi (Bramalea—Gore—Malton—Springdale) , one concerning marriage (No. 372-2134);

— by Ms. McDonough (Halifax) , one concerning the National Missile Defence Program (No. 372-2135);

— by Mr. Volpe (Eglinton—Lawrence) , seven concerning marriage (Nos. 372-2136 to 372-2142);

— by Mr. Cummins (Delta—South Richmond) , one concerning marriage (No. 372-2143), one concerning the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms (No. 372-2144) and one concerning the Canadian Coast Guard (No. 372-2145);

— by Ms. St-Hilaire (Longueuil) , one concerning the Canada Post Corporation (No. 372-2146);

— by Mr. Peric (Cambridge) , one concerning marriage (No. 372-2147);

— by Miss Grey (Edmonton North) , four concerning the income tax system (Nos. 372-2148 to 372-2151);

— by Mr. Blaikie (Winnipeg—Transcona) , one concerning stem cell research (No. 372-2152), two concerning pornography (Nos. 372-2153 and 372-2154) and one concerning the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms (No. 372-2155);

— by Mr. Adams (Peterborough) , one concerning mad cow disease (No. 372-2156) and one concerning a national child care program (No. 372-2157);

— by Mr. Bailey (Souris—Moose Mountain) , one concerning the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms (No. 372-2158) and two concerning marriage (Nos. 372-2159 and 372-2160);

— by Mr. Szabo (Mississauga South) , one concerning stem cell research (No. 372-2161) and one concerning the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms (No. 372-2162);

— by Mr. Lunney (Nanaimo—Alberni) , one concerning marriage (No. 372-2163), two concerning the Food and Drugs Act (Nos. 372-2164 and 372-2165) and one concerning genetic engineering (No. 372-2166);

— by Mr. Elley (Nanaimo—Cowichan) , three concerning marriage (Nos. 372-2167 to 372-2169);

— by Ms. Catterall (Ottawa West—Nepean) , four concerning marriage (Nos. 372-2170 to 372-2173);

— by Mr. Strahl (Fraser Valley) , one concerning euthanasia (No. 372-2174), two concerning marriage (Nos. 372-2175 and 372-2176) and two concerning the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms (Nos. 372-2177 and 372-2178).

Government Orders

The Order was read for the consideration at report stage of Bill C-48, An Act to amend the Income Tax Act (natural resources), as reported by the Standing Committee on Finance without amendment.

Mr. Goodale (Minister of Public Works and Government Services) for Mr. Manley (Deputy Prime Minister and Minister of Finance) , seconded by Mr. Dion (Minister of Intergovernmental Affairs) , moved, — That the Bill be concurred in at report stage.

The question was put on the motion and, pursuant to Standing Order 45, the recorded division was deferred until later today, at the expiry of the time provided for Government Orders.


The House resumed consideration of the motion of Mr. Cauchon (Minister of Justice) , seconded by Ms. Caplan (Minister of National Revenue) , — That Bill C-46, An Act to amend the Criminal Code (capital markets fraud and evidence-gathering), be now read a second time and referred to the Standing Committee on Justice and Human Rights.

The debate continued.

Motions

By unanimous consent, it was ordered, — That at the conclusion of today's debate on motion M-197, all questions necessary to dispose of the motion be deemed put and a recorded division deemed requested and deferred until Tuesday, October 21, 2003, at the expiry of the time provided for Government Orders.

Government Orders

The House resumed consideration of the motion of Mr. Cauchon (Minister of Justice) , seconded by Ms. Caplan (Minister of National Revenue) , — That Bill C-46, An Act to amend the Criminal Code (capital markets fraud and evidence-gathering), be now read a second time and referred to the Standing Committee on Justice and Human Rights.

The debate continued.

The question was put on the motion and it was agreed to on division.

Accordingly, Bill C-46, An Act to amend the Criminal Code (capital markets fraud and evidence-gathering), was read the second time and referred to the Standing Committee on Justice and Human Rights.

Interruption

At 5:24 p.m., by unanimous consent, the sitting was suspended.

At 5:29 p.m., the sitting resumed.

Deferred Recorded Divisions

Government Orders

Pursuant to Standing Order 45, the House proceeded to the taking of the deferred recorded division on the motion of Mr. Manley (Deputy Prime Minister and Minister of Finance) , seconded by Mr. Dion (Minister of Intergovernmental Affairs) , — That Bill C-48, An Act to amend the Income Tax Act (natural resources), be concurred in at report stage.

The question was put on the motion and it was agreed to on the following division:

+

(Division No. 242 -- Vote no 242)

YEAS: 166, NAYS: 40

YEAS -- POUR
Abbott
Ablonczy
Adams
Allard
Anderson (Cypress Hills—Grasslands)
Assadourian
Bagnell
Bailey
Bakopanos
Barnes (London West)
Barrette
Bélanger
Bellemare
Bennett
Benoit
Bertrand
Binet
Bonin
Bonwick
Borotsik
Boudria
Breitkreuz
Brown
Burton
Byrne
Calder
Carignan
Carroll
Casey
Casson
Castonguay
Catterall
Cauchon
Clark
Coderre
Collenette
Comuzzi
Cummins
Cuzner
Day
DeVillers
Dhaliwal
Dion
Discepola
Dromisky
Duncan
Duplain
Easter
Eggleton
Elley
Epp
Farrah
Fontana
Forseth
Frulla
Gallant
Gallaway
Godfrey
Goldring
Goodale
Graham
Grey
Grose
Harvard
Harvey
Hearn
Herron
Hilstrom
Hinton
Hubbard
Ianno
Jennings
Jobin
Johnston
Jordan
Karetak-Lindell
Karygiannis
Keddy (South Shore)
Kenney (Calgary Southeast)
Keyes
Kilgour (Edmonton Southeast)
Knutson
Laliberte
Lastewka
LeBlanc
Lee
Lunn (Saanich—Gulf Islands)
Lunney (Nanaimo—Alberni)
MacAulay
Macklin
Mahoney
Malhi
Maloney
Manley
Marcil
Mark
Marleau
McCormick
McGuire
McKay (Scarborough East)
McLellan
McNally
McTeague
Merrifield
Mills (Red Deer)
Minna
Mitchell
Moore
Murphy
Myers
Nault
Neville
O'Brien (London--Fanshawe)
O'Reilly
Obhrai
Pacetti
Pagtakhan
Paradis
Patry
Penson
Peric
Pettigrew
Pickard (Chatham--Kent Essex)
Pillitteri
Pratt
Proulx
Provenzano
Rajotte
Redman
Reed (Halton)
Reynolds
Robillard
Rock
Saada
Savoy
Schellenberger
Schmidt
Scott
Shepherd
Simard
Skelton
Solberg
Sorenson
Spencer
St-Jacques
St-Julien
St. Denis
Steckle
Stewart
Strahl
Szabo
Thibault (West Nova)
Thibeault (Saint-Lambert)
Thompson (New Brunswick Southwest)
Toews
Tonks
Torsney
Ur
Valeri
Vanclief
Volpe
Wayne
Whelan
Wilfert
Wood
Yelich -- 166
NAYS -- CONTRE
Bachand (Saint-Jean)
Bergeron
Bigras
Blaikie
Caccia
Comartin
Crête
Dalphond-Guiral
Davies
Desjarlais
Desrochers
Duceppe
Gagnon (Québec)
Gagnon (Champlain)
Gagnon (Lac-Saint-Jean—Saguenay)
Gaudet
Gauthier
Girard-Bujold
Godin
Guimond
Lanctôt
Lebel
Lill
Lincoln
Marceau
Masse
McDonough
Ménard
Nystrom
Paquette
Perron
Picard (Drummond)
Plamondon
Proctor
Rocheleau
Roy
Sauvageau
St-Hilaire
Stoffer
Wasylycia-Leis -- 40
PAIRED -- PAIRÉS
Asselin
Bourgeois
Bulte
Charbonneau
Fournier
Guay
Kraft Sloan
Lalonde
Longfield
Loubier
Martin (LaSalle--Émard)
McCallum
Owen
Tremblay

Accordingly, the Bill was concurred in at report stage and ordered for a third reading at the next sitting of the House.

Private Members' Business

Pursuant to Order made Thursday, October 2, 2003, the House proceeded to the taking of the deferred recorded division on the motion of Mr. Clark (Calgary Centre) , seconded by Mr. Hearn (St. John's West) , — That an Order of the House do issue for the production of copies of all reports of the Ethics Counsellor concerning the former Solicitor General. (Private Members' Business P-15)

The question was put on the motion and it was negatived on the following division:

+-

(Division No. 243 -- Vote no 243)

YEAS: 85, NAYS: 119

YEAS -- POUR
Abbott
Ablonczy
Anderson (Cypress Hills—Grasslands)
Bachand (Saint-Jean)
Bailey
Benoit
Bergeron
Bigras
Blaikie
Borotsik
Breitkreuz
Burton
Casey
Casson
Clark
Comartin
Crête
Cummins
Dalphond-Guiral
Davies
Day
Desjarlais
Desrochers
Duceppe
Duncan
Elley
Epp
Forseth
Gagnon (Champlain)
Gagnon (Lac-Saint-Jean—Saguenay)
Gagnon (Québec)
Gallant
Gaudet
Gauthier
Girard-Bujold
Godin
Goldring
Grey
Guimond
Hearn
Herron
Hinton
Johnston
Keddy (South Shore)
Kenney (Calgary Southeast)
Lanctôt
Lebel
Lill
Lunn (Saanich—Gulf Islands)
Lunney (Nanaimo—Alberni)
Marceau
Mark
Masse
McDonough
McNally
Ménard
Merrifield
Mills (Red Deer)
Moore
Nystrom
Obhrai
Paquette
Perron
Picard (Drummond)
Plamondon
Proctor
Rajotte
Reynolds
Rocheleau
Roy
Sauvageau
Schellenberger
Schmidt
Skelton
Solberg
Sorenson
Spencer
St-Hilaire
Stoffer
Strahl
Thompson (New Brunswick Southwest)
Toews
Wasylycia-Leis
Wayne
Yelich -- 85
NAYS -- CONTRE
Adams
Allard
Assadourian
Bagnell
Bakopanos
Barnes (London West)
Barrette
Bélanger
Bellemare
Bennett
Bertrand
Binet
Bonin
Bonwick
Boudria
Brown
Byrne
Caccia
Calder
Carignan
Carroll
Castonguay
Catterall
Cauchon
Coderre
Collenette
Comuzzi
Cullen
Cuzner
DeVillers
Dhaliwal
Dion
Discepola
Dromisky
Duplain
Easter
Eggleton
Farrah
Fontana
Frulla
Gallaway
Godfrey
Goodale
Graham
Grose
Harvard
Harvey
Hilstrom
Hubbard
Ianno
Jennings
Jobin
Jordan
Karetak-Lindell
Karygiannis
Keyes
Kilgour (Edmonton Southeast)
Knutson
Laliberte
Lastewka
LeBlanc
Lee
Lincoln
Macklin
Mahoney
Malhi
Maloney
Manley
Marcil
Marleau
McCormick
McGuire
McKay (Scarborough East)
McLellan
McTeague
Minna
Mitchell
Murphy
Myers
Nault
Neville
O'Brien (London--Fanshawe)
O'Reilly
Pacetti
Pagtakhan
Paradis
Patry
Pettigrew
Pickard (Chatham--Kent Essex)
Pillitteri
Pratt
Proulx
Provenzano
Redman
Reed (Halton)
Robillard
Rock
Saada
Savoy
Scott
Shepherd
Simard
St-Jacques
St-Julien
St. Denis
Steckle
Stewart
Szabo
Thibault (West Nova)
Thibeault (Saint-Lambert)
Tonks
Torsney
Ur
Valeri
Vanclief
Volpe
Whelan
Wilfert
Wood -- 119
PAIRED -- PAIRÉS
Asselin
Bourgeois
Bulte
Charbonneau
Fournier
Guay
Kraft Sloan
Lalonde
Longfield
Loubier
Martin (LaSalle--Émard)
McCallum
Owen
Tremblay


Pursuant to Standing Order 93(1), the House proceeded to the taking of the deferred recorded division on the motion of Mr. Casson (Lethbridge) , seconded by Mr. Cummins (Delta—South Richmond) , — That Bill C-325, An Act to amend the Income Tax Act (deduction for volunteer emergency service), be now read a second time and referred to the Standing Committee on Finance.

The question was put on the motion and it was negatived on the following division:

-

(Division No. 244 -- Vote no 244)

YEAS: 96, NAYS: 99

YEAS -- POUR
Abbott
Ablonczy
Anderson (Cypress Hills—Grasslands)
Bachand (Saint-Jean)
Bagnell
Bailey
Benoit
Bergeron
Bigras
Blaikie
Borotsik
Breitkreuz
Burton
Casey
Casson
Clark
Comartin
Crête
Cummins
Dalphond-Guiral
Davies
Day
Desjarlais
Desrochers
Duceppe
Duncan
Elley
Epp
Forseth
Gagnon (Champlain)
Gagnon (Lac-Saint-Jean—Saguenay)
Gagnon (Québec)
Gallant
Gallaway
Gaudet
Gauthier
Girard-Bujold
Godin
Goldring
Grey
Guimond
Hearn
Herron
Hilstrom
Hinton
Hubbard
Johnston
Keddy (South Shore)
Kenney (Calgary Southeast)
Lanctôt
Lebel
LeBlanc
Lill
Lunn (Saanich—Gulf Islands)
Lunney (Nanaimo—Alberni)
Marceau
Mark
Masse
McDonough
McNally
Ménard
Merrifield
Mills (Red Deer)
Moore
Nystrom
O'Brien (London--Fanshawe)
O'Reilly
Obhrai
Paquette
Perron
Picard (Drummond)
Plamondon
Proctor
Rajotte
Reynolds
Rocheleau
Roy
Sauvageau
Savoy
Schellenberger
Schmidt
Scott
Skelton
Solberg
Sorenson
Spencer
St-Hilaire
St-Jacques
Stoffer
Strahl
Thompson (New Brunswick Southwest)
Toews
Ur
Wasylycia-Leis
Wayne
Yelich -- 96
NAYS -- CONTRE
Adams
Allard
Assadourian
Bakopanos
Barnes (London West)
Barrette
Bélanger
Bellemare
Bertrand
Binet
Bonin
Boudria
Brown
Byrne
Caccia
Calder
Carignan
Carroll
Castonguay
Catterall
Cauchon
Coderre
Collenette
Comuzzi
Cullen
Cuzner
DeVillers
Dhaliwal
Dion
Dromisky
Duplain
Easter
Eggleton
Farrah
Fontana
Frulla
Godfrey
Goodale
Graham
Grose
Harvard
Harvey
Ianno
Jobin
Jordan
Karetak-Lindell
Karygiannis
Keyes
Kilgour (Edmonton Southeast)
Knutson
Lastewka
Lee
Lincoln
MacAulay
Macklin
Mahoney
Malhi
Maloney
Manley
Marcil
Marleau
McGuire
McKay (Scarborough East)
McLellan
Minna
Murphy
Myers
Nault
Neville
Pacetti
Pagtakhan
Patry
Pettigrew
Pickard (Chatham--Kent Essex)
Pillitteri
Pratt
Proulx
Provenzano
Redman
Reed (Halton)
Robillard
Rock
Saada
Shepherd
Simard
St. Denis
Steckle
Stewart
Szabo
Thibault (West Nova)
Thibeault (Saint-Lambert)
Tonks
Torsney
Valeri
Vanclief
Volpe
Whelan
Wilfert
Wood -- 99
PAIRED -- PAIRÉS
Asselin
Bourgeois
Bulte
Charbonneau
Fournier
Guay
Kraft Sloan
Lalonde
Longfield
Loubier
Martin (LaSalle--Émard)
McCallum
Owen
Tremblay

Private Members' Business

At 6:24 p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 30(7), the House proceeded to the consideration of Private Members' Business.

The House resumed consideration of the motion of Mrs. Desjarlais (Churchill) , seconded by Ms. Davies (Vancouver East) , — That, in the opinion of this House, the government should amend the definition of “pensionable employment” in the Canada Pension Plan to include worker's compensation payments. (Private Members' Business M-197)

The debate continued.

At 7:09 p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 93, the Speaker interrupted the proceedings.

Pursuant to Order made earlier today, the question was deemed put on the motion and the recorded division was deemed requested and deferred until Tuesday, October 21, 2003, at the expiry of the time provided for Government Orders.

Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House

Pursuant to Standing Order 32(1), papers deposited with the Clerk of the House were laid upon the Table as follows:

— by Mr. Graham (Minister of Foreign Affairs) — Response of the government, pursuant to Standing Order 109, to the Sixth Report of the Standing Committee on Foreign Affairs and International Trade, “A Contribution to the Foreign Policy Dialogue” (Sessional Paper No. 8510-372-76), presented to the House on Monday, May 12, 2003. — Sessional Paper No. 8512-372-76.

— by Mr. Manley (Minister of Finance) — Order in Council P.C. 2003-1374 dated September 18, 2003, concerning the approval of the Protocol and of the diplomatic notes annexed to the Protocol intended to amend the Convention between Canada and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland for the avoidance of double taxation and the prevention of fiscal evasion with respect to taxes on income and on capital gains, pursuant to the Income Tax Conventions Act, 1980, S.C. 1980, c. 44, Part XI, sbs. 33(1). — Sessional Paper No. 8560-372-194-01. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(5), permanently referred to the Standing Committee on Finance)

Petitions Filed with the Clerk of the House

Pursuant to Standing Order 36, petitions certified correct by the Clerk of Petitions were filed as follows:

— by Mrs. Redman (Kitchener Centre) , one concerning aboriginal affairs (No. 372-2179);

— by Mr. Strahl (Fraser Valley) , one concerning unborn children (No. 372-2180).

Adjournment Proceedings

At 7:10 p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 38(1), the question “That this House do now adjourn” was deemed to have been proposed.

After debate, the question was deemed to have been adopted.

Accordingly, at 7:19 p.m., the Speaker adjourned the House until tomorrow at 10:00 a.m., pursuant to Standing Order 24(1).