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    <ExtractedItem Name="InstitutionDebate">Standing Committee on Transport, Infrastructure and Communities</ExtractedItem>
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          <Timestamp Hr="15" Mn="30">(1530)</Timestamp>
          <FloorLanguage language="EN">[<I>English</I>]</FloorLanguage>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10949995">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="229246" Type="27">The Clerk of the Committee (Ms. Marie-France Lafleur)</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6293024"> Honourable members of the committee, I see that we have a quorum, so let's begin.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6293025">I must inform members that the clerk of the committee can only receive motions for the election of the chair. The clerk cannot receive other types of motions, entertain points of order or participate in debate.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6293026">We can now proceed to the election of the chair. Pursuant to Standing Order 106(2), the chair must be a member of the government party.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6293027">I am ready to receive motions.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="10949998">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269223" Type="47">Mrs. Stephanie Kusie (Calgary Midnapore, CPC)</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6293028">Madam Clerk, I would like to nominate Mr. Vance Badawey as the chair of this committee, please.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="10949999">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="229246" Type="27">The Clerk</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6293029">It has been moved by Mrs. Kusie that Mr. Vance Badawey be elected as chair of the committee.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6293030">Are there any further motions for the position of chair?</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6293031">I see none.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6293032">(Motion agreed to)</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6293033">
                <B>The Clerk:</B> Mr. Badawey, congratulations. I invite you to take the virtual chair.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="10950007">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269222" Type="35">The Chair (Mr. Vance Badawey (Niagara Centre, Lib.))</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6293034">Thank you.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6293035">Madam Clerk, do you want to proceed with the election of vice-chairs or would you like me to proceed with that?</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10950010">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="229246" Type="27">The Clerk</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6293036">I can certainly do so if that's the wish of the committee.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6293037">Pursuant to Standing Order 106(2), the first vice-chair must be a member of the official opposition.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6293038">I am now ready to receive motions for the first vice-chair.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6293039">Ms. Jaczek.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10950011">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264331" Type="47">Ms. Helena Jaczek (Markham—Stouffville, Lib.)</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6293040">I would like to nominate Mrs. Stephanie Kusie.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10950012">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="229246" Type="27">The Clerk</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6293041">It has been moved by Ms. Jaczek that Mrs. Kusie be elected as first vice-chair of the committee. Are there any further motions for the position of first vice-chair?</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6293042">I see none.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6293043">(Motion agreed to)</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10950014">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="229246" Type="27">The Clerk</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6293044">Congratulations.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6293045">Pursuant to Standing Order 106(2), the second vice-chair must be a member of an opposition party other than the official opposition.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6293046">I am now ready to receive motions for the second vice-chair.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6293047">Mr. El-Khoury.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <FloorLanguage language="FR">[<I>Translation</I>]</FloorLanguage>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10950015">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264330" Type="47">Mr. Fayçal El-Khoury (Laval—Les Îles, Lib.)</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6293048">I nominate Mr. Barsalou-Duval for the position of second vice-chair of the committee.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10950016">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="229246" Type="27">The Clerk</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6293049">Mr. El-Khoury moves that Mr. Barsalou-Duval be elected as second vice-chair of the committee.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6293050">Are there any further motions?</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6293051">(Motion agreed to)</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10950018">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="229246" Type="27">The Clerk</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6293052">I declare Mr. Barsalou-Duval duly elected second vice-chair of the committee.</ParaText>
              <FloorLanguage language="EN">[<I>English</I>]</FloorLanguage>
              <ParaText id="6293053">On that note, Mr. Chair, it's back to you.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="10950019">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269222" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6293054"> Thank you, Madam Clerk. Well done.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6293055">Congratulations to both vice-chairs: Mrs. Kusie and Mr. Barsalou-Duval.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6293056">We're now going to move into the routine motions. We've all received our documents from the clerk's office. The intent, if I can get the blessing from the committee, is to go through the routine motions one by one. We can debate them and vote on them one by one.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6293057">Do I have a person who wants to start us off?</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6293058">Mr. Rogers, the floor is yours.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10950020">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264332" Type="47">Mr. Churence Rogers (Bonavista—Burin—Trinity, Lib.)</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6293059">Thanks, Mr. Chair.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6293060">Congratulations on being elected as chair, and to Mrs. Kusie and Mr. Barsalou-Duval. I'm looking forward to working with you and all the members of this committee.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6293061">For the routine motions, I just want to go through a portion of these and then I'll ask my honourable colleague, Mr. El-Khoury, to do some of these in French.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6293062">The first motion is regarding analyst services. </ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6293063">
                <Quote>
                  <QuotePara Align="Left" IndentFirst="2" IndentRest="2">That the committee retain, as needed and at the discretion of the Chair, the services of one or more analysts from the Library of Parliament to assist it in its work.</QuotePara>
                </Quote>
              </ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Timestamp Hr="15" Mn="35">(1535)</Timestamp>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10950022">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269223" Type="47">Mrs. Stephanie Kusie</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6293064">We have no objections to that, Mr. Chair, and Mr. Rogers, thank you.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6293065">(Motion agreed to)</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10950024">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264332" Type="47">Mr. Churence Rogers</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6293066"> The next routine motion is as follows:</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6293067">
                <Quote>
                  <QuotePara Align="Left" IndentFirst="2" IndentRest="2">That the Subcommittee on Agenda and Procedure be established and be composed of five members; the Chair, one member from each party, and that the Subcommittee work in a spirit of collaboration.</QuotePara>
                </Quote>
              </ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="10950025">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269222" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6293068"> Thank you, Mr. Rogers. </ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6293069">Are there any questions to that motion?</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6293070">Mr. Bachrach, go ahead.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="10950031">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264486" Type="47">Mr. Taylor Bachrach (Skeena—Bulkley Valley, NDP)</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6293071">I'd like to propose an amendment, if that's in order, Mr. Chair.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6293072">The amendment is to insert the word “recognized” after the word “each”, so it would read “one member from each recognized party.”</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6293073">(Amendment agreed to)</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6293074">(Motion as amended agreed to [<I>See Minutes of Proceedings</I>])</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10950034">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264332" Type="47">Mr. Churence Rogers</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6293075"> The next routine motion is as follows:</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6293076">
                <Quote>
                  <QuotePara Align="Left" IndentFirst="2" IndentRest="2">That the Chair be authorized to hold meetings to receive evidence and to have that evidence printed when a quorum is not present, provided that at least four members are present, including two members of the opposition and two members of the government, but when travelling outside the parliamentary precinct, that the meeting begin after 15 minutes, regardless of members present.</QuotePara>
                </Quote>
              </ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6293077">(Motion agreed to)</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10950036">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264332" Type="47">Mr. Churence Rogers</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6293078">On the motion entitled “Time for Opening Remarks and Questioning of Witnesses”:</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6293079">
                <Quote>
                  <QuotePara Align="Left" IndentFirst="2" IndentRest="2">That the witnesses be given 10 minutes for their opening statements; that, at the discretion of the Chair, during the questioning of witnesses, there be allocated six minutes for the first questioner of each party as follows for the first round: Conservative Party;
Liberal Party;
Bloc Québécois;
New Democratic Party.
For the second and subsequent rounds, the order and time for questioning be as follows: 
Conservative Party, five minutes;
Liberal Party, five minutes;
Conservative Party, five minutes;
Liberal Party, five minutes;
Bloc Québécois, two and a half minutes;
New Democratic Party, two and a half minutes.</QuotePara>
                </Quote>
              </ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="10950041">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269222" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6293080"> Thank you, Mr. Rogers.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6293081">Mr. Bachrach, go ahead please.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10950045">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264486" Type="47">Mr. Taylor Bachrach</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6293082">I would move an amendment. There are two parts to this amendment.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6293083"> First I would move that the wording be changed to, “That witnesses be given five minutes for their opening statements; that, whenever possible, witnesses provide the committee with their opening statement 72 hours in advance; that, at the discretion of the Chair..”, etc., as written. That's the first part of the amendment.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6293084">The second part of the amendment is concerning the order. I would amend that the wording be changed to, “For the second and subsequent rounds, the order and time for questioning be as follows: Conservative Party, five (5) minutes; Liberal Party, five (5) minutes; Bloc Québécois, two and a half (2.5) minutes; New Democratic Party, two and a half (2.5) minutes; Conservative Party, five (5) minutes; Liberal Party, five (5) minutes.”</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="10950046">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269222" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6293085"> Thank you, Mr. Bachrach.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6293086">Are there any questions or comments on that amendment?</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6293087">Mr. Barsalou-Duval, did you have a question on the amendment?</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <FloorLanguage language="FR">[<I>Translation</I>]</FloorLanguage>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10950047">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269224" Type="47">Mr. Xavier Barsalou-Duval (Pierre-Boucher—Les Patriotes—Verchères, BQ)</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6293088">No. I support the amendment completely. So I have no further questions.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Timestamp Hr="15" Mn="40">(1540)</Timestamp>
          <FloorLanguage language="EN">[<I>English</I>]</FloorLanguage>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="10950048">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269222" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6293089"> Are there any questions to the amendment, parts one and two?</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6293090">(Amendment agreed to )</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6293091">
                <B>The Chair:</B> Mr. Barsalou-Duval, do you have a question on the amended motion? Are you fine, Mr. Barsalou-Duval?</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <FloorLanguage language="FR">[<I>Translation</I>]</FloorLanguage>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10950049">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269224" Type="47">Mr. Xavier Barsalou-Duval</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6293092">Yes. I quite agree with that.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6293093">I would like to go back to the reason I raised my hand after we voted. I would like to be able to ask the clerk a question, so that she can tell me whether my proposal is in order or not.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <FloorLanguage language="EN">[<I>English</I>]</FloorLanguage>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="10950050">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269222" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6293094"> Thank you, Mr. Barsalou-Duval.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6293095">To the main motion, are there any further questions or comments?</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6293096">(Motion as amended agreed to [<I>See Minutes of Proceedings</I>])</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10950051">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264332" Type="47">Mr. Churence Rogers</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6293097">The next motion is on “Document Distribution”:</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6293098">
                <Quote>
                  <QuotePara Align="Left" IndentFirst="2" IndentRest="2"> That only the clerk of the committee be authorized to distribute documents to members of the committee and only when the documents are available in both official languages and that witnesses be advised accordingly. </QuotePara>
                </Quote>
              </ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6293099">(Motion agreed to)</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10950053">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264332" Type="47">Mr. Churence Rogers</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6293100">The title of the next motion is “Working Meals”:</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6293101">
                <Quote>
                  <QuotePara Align="Left" IndentFirst="2" IndentRest="2"> That the clerk of the Committee be authorized to make the necessary arrangements to provide working meals for the committee and its subcommittees.</QuotePara>
                </Quote>
              </ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6293102">(Motion agreed to)</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10950055">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264332" Type="47">Mr. Churence Rogers</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6293103">For “Travel, Accommodation and Living Expenses of Witnesses”, the motion is:</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6293104">
                <Quote>
                  <QuotePara Align="Left" IndentFirst="2" IndentRest="2"> That, if requested, reasonable travel, accommodation and living expenses be reimbursed to witnesses not exceeding two representatives per organization; and that, in exceptional circumstances, payment for more representatives be made at the discretion of the Chair.</QuotePara>
                </Quote>
              </ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6293105">(Motion agreed to)</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="10950056">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269222" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6293106"> Mr. El-Khoury.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10950057">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264330" Type="47">Mr. Fayçal El-Khoury</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6293107">Congratulations to the chair; and to all members, I believe we're going to do a good job.</ParaText>
              <FloorLanguage language="FR">[<I>Translation</I>]</FloorLanguage>
              <ParaText id="6293108">This is the motion that deals with the presence of staff at in camera meetings.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6293109">
                <Quote>
                  <QuotePara Align="Left" IndentFirst="2" IndentRest="1">That, unless otherwise ordered, each committee member be allowed to have one staff member present at in camera meetings and that one additional person from each House officer's office be allowed to be present.</QuotePara>
                </Quote>
              </ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <FloorLanguage language="EN">[<I>English</I>]</FloorLanguage>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="10950062">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269222" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6293110"> Thank you, Mr. El-Khoury.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6293111">I'll go to the motion shortly, but I'm hearing through translation both the speaker, Mr. El-Khoury, and the translator at the same time. Is there any way that translation can turn the volume down on the speaker when we're trying to listen to the translation into English?</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6293112">Folks, when speaking, go down to the interpretation part of the toolbar at the bottom and press it. If you're going to be speaking French, you can press “French”, and if you're going to be speaking English, press “English”. That way, we can hear it loud and clear.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <FloorLanguage language="FR">[<I>Translation</I>]</FloorLanguage>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10950070">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264330" Type="47">Mr. Fayçal El-Khoury</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6293113">I am on the French channel.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <FloorLanguage language="EN">[<I>English</I>]</FloorLanguage>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="10950071">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269222" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6293114">Are there any questions or comments on that motion?</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6293115">(Motion agreed to)</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Timestamp Hr="15" Mn="45">(1545)</Timestamp>
          <FloorLanguage language="FR">[<I>Translation</I>]</FloorLanguage>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10950075">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264330" Type="47">Mr. Fayçal El-Khoury</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6293116">The next motion deals with transcripts of in camera meetings.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6293117">
                <Quote>
                  <QuotePara Align="Left">That one copy of the transcript of each in camera meeting be kept in the committee clerk's office for consultation by members of the committee or by their staff.</QuotePara>
                </Quote>
              </ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <FloorLanguage language="EN">[<I>English</I>]</FloorLanguage>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="10950077">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269222" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6293118"> Are there any questions or comments on this motion?</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6293119">(Motion agreed to)</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <FloorLanguage language="FR">[<I>Translation</I>]</FloorLanguage>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10950078">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264330" Type="47">Mr. Fayçal El-Khoury</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6293120">The motion on notices of motion reads as follows:</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6293121">
                <Quote>
                  <QuotePara Align="Left">That 48 hours' notice, interpreted as two (2) nights, shall be required for any substantive motion to be considered by the committee, unless the substantive motion relates directly to business then under consideration, provided that: (1) the notice be filed with the clerk of the committee no later than 4:00 p.m. from Monday to Friday; that (2) the motion be distributed to members in both official languages by the clerk on the same day the said notice was transmitted if it was received no later than the deadline hour; and that (3) notices received after the deadline hour or on non-business days be deemed to have been received during the next business day and that when committee is travelling on official business, no substantive motions may be moved.</QuotePara>
                </Quote>
              </ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <FloorLanguage language="EN">[<I>English</I>]</FloorLanguage>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="10950080">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269222" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6293123">Are there any questions or comments on this motion?</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6293122">(Motion agreed to)</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10950083">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264486" Type="47">Mr. Taylor Bachrach</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6293124">Mr. Chair, can I ask a quick question?</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6293125">Mr. El-Khoury's translation was not working. I'm concerned there may have been a motion that was either skipped, or there was one that was read twice. I want to confirm with the clerk that we covered access to in camera meetings as well as transcripts of in camera meetings.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10950087">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="229246" Type="27">The Clerk</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6293126">Yes, we did cover both.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="10950088">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269222" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6293127"> Thank you, Madam Clerk. Thank you, Mr. Bachrach.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6293128">Mr. El-Khoury, please continue.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <FloorLanguage language="FR">[<I>Translation</I>]</FloorLanguage>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10950090">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264330" Type="47">Mr. Fayçal El-Khoury</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6293129">The following motion deals with Orders of Reference from the House respecting bills:</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6293130">
                <Quote>
                  <QuotePara Align="Left">That, in relation to Orders of Reference from the House respecting Bills,</QuotePara>
                </Quote>
              </ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6293131">
                <Quote>
                  <QuotePara>(a) the clerk of the committee shall, upon the committee receiving such an order of reference, write to each member who is not a member of a caucus represented on the committee to invite those members to file with the clerk of the committee, in both official languages, any amendments to the bill, which is the subject of the said order, which they would suggest that the committee consider;</QuotePara>
                </Quote>
              </ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6293132">
                <Quote>
                  <QuotePara>(b) suggested amendments filed, pursuant to paragraph (a), at least 48 hours prior to the start of clause-by-clause consideration of the bill to which the amendments relate shall be deemed to be proposed during the said consideration, provided that the committee may, by motion, vary this deadline in respect of a given bill; and</QuotePara>
                </Quote>
              </ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6293133">
                <Quote>
                  <QuotePara>(c) during the clause-by-clause consideration of a bill, the Chair shall allow a member who filed suggested amendments, pursuant to paragraph (a), an opportunity to make brief representations in support of them.</QuotePara>
                </Quote>
              </ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <FloorLanguage language="EN">[<I>English</I>]</FloorLanguage>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="10950092">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269222" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6293134">Are there any questions or comments?</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6293135">(Motion agreed to)</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6293136">
                <B>The Chair:</B> Madam Clerk, I believe we covered all the routine motions.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10950093">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="229246" Type="27">The Clerk</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6293137">Absolutely. It is up to the committee to decide if there are any other motions to be adopted as routine motions.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="10950096">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269222" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6293138">Thank you.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6293139">Mr. Sidhu, go ahead, followed by Mr. Bachrach.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10950097">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264333" Type="47">Mr. Maninder Sidhu (Brampton East, Lib.)</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6293140"> I don't have a routine motion. I have a regular motion, but I will talk about that once we're done with routine motions.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="10950098">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269222" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6293141">Mr. Bachrach.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10950099">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264486" Type="47">Mr. Taylor Bachrach</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6293142">There were three routine motions that were carried last time that did not appear on the list that was just read out. I would like to move them one at a time, if that would be in order.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6293143">The first one is:</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6293144">
                <Quote>
                  <QuotePara Align="Left" IndentFirst="2" IndentRest="2">That any motion to go in camera should be debatable and amendable, and that the committee may only meet in camera for the following purposes:</QuotePara>
                  <QuotePara Align="Left">a) to discuss administrative matters of the committee;</QuotePara>
                  <QuotePara Align="Left">b) to draft a report;</QuotePara>
                  <QuotePara Align="Left">c) briefings concerning national security; and</QuotePara>
                  <QuotePara Align="Left">d) for any other reason, with the unanimous consent of the committee.</QuotePara>
                </Quote>
              </ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Timestamp Hr="15" Mn="50">(1550)</Timestamp>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="10950105">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269222" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6293145"> Thank you, Mr. Bachrach.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6293146">Are there any questions on that motion? </ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6293147">Mr. Bittle.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10950107">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264329" Type="47">Mr. Chris Bittle (St. Catharines, Lib.)</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6293148">My only concern about this motion is the unanimous consent motion. I'm in agreement that our priority should be to be open to the public and for debate to be there. I'm just going back to my time served on PROC. I believe Ms. Kusie might have been there during that time, and I know we dealt with a number of issues not related to national security. We dealt with issues related to security of the House. We dealt with issues related to collective agreements. We dealt with other issues that came up, such as business confidences and those types of issues that don't fall necessarily onto that list. I worry that one member, be it a government member or an opposition member, may be able to stifle an opportunity to hear from a witness. </ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6293149">I also remember one witness from PROC who was a member of the Ottawa police force who just didn't want his identity to be acknowledged. It was an issue of his own security and his family's security. I don't know if we'll run into those issues, but if we narrow it too much and give an opportunity for one member to scuttle the opportunity to hear from a witness, that really limits our opportunity to debate, especially if it's on a particular issue of importance that's before the committee. We may have very specific instances. I did bring up that Ottawa police officer with regard to hate crimes. That might have been before Ms. Kusie joined our committee. We dealt with the collective bargaining agreement for the Parliamentary Protective Service. We dealt with legal issues before the committee. </ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6293150">There's more than just that point that can come up. My worry is that any one member can stop a witness from appearing if it comes up. </ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6293151">I see Mr. Bachrach has a response, so I'll stop talking for now.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10950115">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264486" Type="47">Mr. Taylor Bachrach</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6293152">If I recall the debate that we had last time we considered the routine motions, item d) was added on to address the concern that there might be situations arising that were not covered under the first three points, and which the committee agrees unanimously should be considered in camera. The intent of this motion is to err on the side of transparency, which I know is a value that everyone on this committee holds. What we don't want is the in camera provisions to be used for the consideration of testimony that might be embarrassing or that for some reason members might not want to have in a public meeting. </ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6293153">If what Mr. Bittle is suggesting is that we remove item d) so that unanimous consent is not a part of the motion, I think that would be fine. It does make the motion more limiting. Then for us to go in camera, an item would have to follow one of the first three criteria.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6293154">If I understand where he's coming from, I would be happy to remove item d).</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10950117">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264329" Type="47">Mr. Chris Bittle</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6293155">Just to go further, this isn't necessarily a motion that I've seen before in other committees. It's not necessarily a bad thing that we haven't seen it before in other committees, and it doesn't necessarily make it valid. I think if we are going to have this motion, item d) should remain in it. I guess I'm questioning the necessity for the motion. Especially with the government in the minority, there's very little that would cause us to worry that the members of the governing party might be trying to silence a particular debate. </ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6293156">I guess I would be opposed to an amendment to the motion as a whole. I'm questioning the necessity for the motion in its entirety. In my experience, even when we held a majority, there was a lack of a desire to push things into an in camera debate, and the idea that the committee was a good arbiter of what that was at any given time… That's just from my experience, and I'm putting it out there.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6293157"> I'd like to hear from the other opposition parties and their thoughts on it. If they want it, I'm not going to move to amend it any further, but I guess I question the rationale for it. </ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Timestamp Hr="15" Mn="55">(1555)</Timestamp>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="10950119">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269222" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6293158"> Thank you, Mr. Bittle.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6293159">Go ahead, Mrs. Kusie.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10950120">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269223" Type="47">Mrs. Stephanie Kusie</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6293160">Thank you.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6293161">I lean towards having it. It states in the motion that it's always debatable and amendable. I absolutely agree with my NDP colleague that whatever we do should be in support of transparency within the committee. I would prefer to see the motion remain, and I would prefer to see it remain in the format that exists, Mr. Chair.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6293162">Thank you.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="10950121">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269222" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6293163">Thank you, Mrs. Kusie.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6293164">Mr. Barsalou-Duval.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <FloorLanguage language="FR">[<I>Translation</I>]</FloorLanguage>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10950122">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269224" Type="47">Mr. Xavier Barsalou-Duval</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6293165">Thank you, Mr. Chair.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6293166">I would like to ask the clerk for some information. If we do not pass this motion, how would things work by default? Would it be up to the chair of the committee to choose whether or not meetings are held in camera?</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10950124">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="229246" Type="27">The Clerk</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6293167">Thank you for your question.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6293168">Without this motion, a majority of committee members would decide if the meeting is to be conducted in public or in camera. As it stands at present, you need unanimous consent.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10950126">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269224" Type="47">Mr. Xavier Barsalou-Duval</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6293169">I am comfortable with the motion too. I feel that the principle that meetings be held in public by default is helpful. It seems quite logical to me. So far, I have not heard an argument that persuades me to the contrary.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <FloorLanguage language="EN">[<I>English</I>]</FloorLanguage>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="10950128">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269222" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6293170">Thank you, Mr. Barsalou-Duval.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6293171">Are there any further questions or comments on the motion?</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6293172">(Motion agreed to)</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6293173">
                <B>The Chair:</B> Thank you, Mr. Bachrach.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6293174">Are there any further questions or comments on the—</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10950129">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264486" Type="47">Mr. Taylor Bachrach</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6293175">Mr. Chair, I have two more, if you will.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="10950130">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269222" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6293176">Go ahead.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10950131">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264486" Type="47">Mr. Taylor Bachrach</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6293177">The first one is:</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6293178">
                <Quote>
                  <QuotePara Align="Left" IndentFirst="2" IndentRest="2">That whenever a Minister appears before the Committee, every effort be made to ensure that the meeting is televised.</QuotePara>
                </Quote>
              </ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="10950132">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269222" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6293179">Thank you, Mr. Bachrach.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6293180">Are there any questions or comments on that motion?</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6293181">(Motion agreed to)</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10950133">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264486" Type="47">Mr. Taylor Bachrach</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6293182">My final motion is:</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6293183">
                <Quote>
                  <QuotePara Align="Left" IndentFirst="2" IndentRest="2">That all requests to appear before the Committee be distributed to the committee members; and that all briefing materials submitted to the clerk be distributed to the committee members.</QuotePara>
                </Quote>
              </ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="10950135">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269222" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6293184">Are there any questions or comments on that motion?</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6293185">(Motion agreed to)</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="10950141">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269222" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6293186">Thank you, Mr. Bachrach.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6293187">Are there any other comments or questions about the routine motions?</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6293188">We'll move on.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6293189">Thanks, everybody. That was very good.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6293190">Mr. Sidhu, you had your hand up earlier. You wanted to speak.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6293191">Mr. Sidhu, the floor is yours.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Timestamp Hr="16" Mn="00">(1600)</Timestamp>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10950144">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264333" Type="47">Mr. Maninder Sidhu</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6293192"> Thank you, Mr. Chair.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6293193">Congratulations to you and the vice-chairs.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6293194">I'm not sure how my colleagues will want to proceed. I'm ready to present my motion, but I'm not sure....</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6293195"> I watched other committees this morning, for example, the indigenous affairs committee, and they referred to subcommittees. Before I present my motion, I want to hear what my colleagues have to say before I go forward with it.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="10950147">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269222" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6293196"> Thank you, Mr. Sidhu. I'm going to get to that in a second.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6293197"> I do want to mention a few words before we begin, to ensure an orderly meeting.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6293198">As you probably already know, if you have a motion to move, please unmute yourself and state that you would like to move a motion, as you have throughout this meeting. You may also raise a point of order at any time during the meeting by unmuting yourself and stating that you have a point of order.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6293199">Once a motion is moved or a point of order is raised, please use the “raise hand” function to indicate that you wish to be included on the speakers list. I will be keeping an eye on that. To do that, click on “participants” at the bottom of your screen and press the “raise hand” function.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6293200">Finally, the motion adopted by the House on September 23 provides, “except for those decided unanimously or ‘on division’, all questions shall be decided by a recorded vote”. Therefore, once a motion or an amendment is moved and there is no more debate, I will ask if there are any objections. If you object, please again unmute and say so, and I will then ask the clerk to proceed with a recorded vote.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6293201">I'll go back to Mr. Sidhu's comments and ask for the committee's thoughts on how to move forward, whether it be by accepting motions here at this meeting, as we move forward past this point, or by giving notice of motions and moving them over to a subcommittee to discuss there. We did that the last time around and it worked quite effectively—sometimes. For the most part, it allowed the committee as the whole to really deal with the meat and the bones, so to speak. We could do this or have debate on the motions we may be entertaining today.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6293202">I'm going to ask those here today to raise their hands so we can discuss that.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6293203">By the way, please bear with me here, folks, because when I look at the speakers list, it doesn't give me a cue; it just shows me hands. If I happen to pick somebody who had a hand up before someone else, I apologize.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6293204">Mr. Bachrach, the floor is yours.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10950159">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264486" Type="47">Mr. Taylor Bachrach</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6293205">When the committee met for those first meetings, a number of motions were introduced without notice and this caught some people off guard. My preference moving forward would be that we give adequate notice for motions, as per the routine motions we passed, and that the motions then be sent to the subcommittee for prioritization. I know that last time there were numerous motions committing us to studies, and we only got through, I believe, the first one. I'm sure almost every member of this committee has a few in their back pocket, as I do. Maybe we could provide notice at this meeting and then get the subcommittee together at the earliest opportunity. That would be a good way to proceed.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="10950162">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269222" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6293206">Thank you, Mr. Bachrach. I'll take that as a motion.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6293207">Are there any questions on it?</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6293208">Go ahead, Mr. Barsalou-Duval.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <FloorLanguage language="FR">[<I>Translation</I>]</FloorLanguage>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10950163">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269224" Type="47">Mr. Xavier Barsalou-Duval</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6293209">I would say that I basically agree with my NPD colleague's comment that turned into a motion. The subcommittee should be meeting so that we save time. Then we won't have to waste time discussing the priority of the motions.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6293210">On the other hand, it would actually be helpful if we could introduce them all now, because we are all here and it's not yet 5:30 p.m. I feel that a number of our colleagues have already prepared motions, as have I. I would be curious to find out what my colleagues want to propose.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Timestamp Hr="16" Mn="05">(1605)</Timestamp>
          <FloorLanguage language="EN">[<I>English</I>]</FloorLanguage>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="10950165">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269222" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6293211">Thank you, Mr. Barsalou-Duval.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6293212">Are there any further questions on Mr. Bachrach's motion?</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6293213">There being none, all those in favour?</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6293214">(Motion agreed to [<I>See Minutes of Proceedings</I>])</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6293215">
                <B>The Chair:</B> Thank you, Mr. Bachrach, and thank you for your intervention, Mr. Barsalou-Duval.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="10950170">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269222" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6293216">We're going to go along the line of the motion and of course the thoughts given in the intervention by Mr. Barsalou-Duval. I'll go back to Mr. Sidhu first. He had his hand up. </ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6293217"> As we put those forward, the intent is not to debate but to give notice, I guess, for lack of a better word, of what the intentions are going to be. With that, the full motion and/or a formalized motion can be presented to the clerk. The clerk can then pass that on to the subcommittee, and we can move from there.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6293218">Mr. Sidhu.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10950174">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269223" Type="47">Mrs. Stephanie Kusie</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6293219">Chair, on a point of order—my apologies——do we need to raise our hand for each motion we're presenting, or do we present the total sum of the motions we've prepared when we have the floor?</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10950175">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269222" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6293220">I would say get right to it and present all the motions. Then we can go from there. </ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10950176">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269223" Type="47">Mrs. Stephanie Kusie</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6293221">All right. That sounds good. </ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6293222">Thank you, Chair.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10950177">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269222" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6293223">Mr. Sidhu, go ahead.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10950179">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264333" Type="47">Mr. Maninder Sidhu</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6293224">Thank you, Mr. Chair.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6293225">With regard to the motion I'd like to present, we know that in the transportation sector, labour shortages existed before COVID and they still exist now. The issue is that we have a large transportation sector here in Brampton East, and a big transportation corridor. A lot of drivers are scared and considering other careers. We already have a shortage, so I think this is an important study. </ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6293226">The wording of my motion is as follows:<Quote><QuotePara Align="Left">That the committee commit to undertake a study focusing on current and anticipated labour shortages in the Canadian transportation sector, for example truck drivers, mariners, maintenance staff, trainers/instructors and various types of engineers and technicians in the aviation sector; that the study identify the implications of such shortages and look at possible solutions to alleviate problems stemming from them; and that, in consultation with the committee members, the Chair be empowered to coordinate the resources and scheduling necessary to execute these studies in six meetings or fewer.</QuotePara></Quote></ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6293227">Thank you, Mr. Chair.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10950181">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269222" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6293228">Thank you, Mr. Sidhu.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6293229">I will now go on to Ms. Kusie. </ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10950182">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269223" Type="47">Mrs. Stephanie Kusie</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6293230">Thank you, Chair.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6293231">I have a number of motions that I will present.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6293232">The first motion is with regard to the main estimates:<Quote><QuotePara Align="Left">That the committee call upon the Minister of Transport and officials to discuss the spending priorities contained in the Main Estimates and that this meeting occur before Friday, November 20, 2020.</QuotePara></Quote></ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6293233">I'll move on to my motions for our proposed studies as well, to add to that from my Liberal colleague.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6293234">Our first motion is as follows: <Quote><QuotePara Align="Left">That, pursuant to S.O. 108(2), the committee undertake a study of four meetings in regard to Transport Canada’s aircraft certification process, including, but not limited to, the nature of Transport Canada’s relationship to the Federal Aviation Administration and other certifying bodies, as well as the role of airplane manufacturers in the certification process; that the evidence and that the documentation received by this committee in the 1st session of the 43rd Parliament on this subject be taken into consideration by the committee in the current session; that the committee completes its study by Friday, November 27, 2020; and, that the committee presents its findings and recommendations to the House.</QuotePara></Quote></ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6293235">Mr. Chair, this is just to complete the study that began prior to prorogation. I believe we have an obligation to Canadians and affected parties to conclude this study and make our recommendations.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6293236">I'll go on to my next motion with regard to studies:</ParaText>
              <FloorLanguage language="FR">[<I>Translation</I>]</FloorLanguage>
              <ParaText id="6293237">
                <Quote>
                  <QuotePara Align="Left" IndentFirst="2" IndentRest="1">That the Committee undertake a study of four meetings on the impact of COVID-19 on the aviation sector; and that the Committee report its findings and recommendations to the House.</QuotePara>
                </Quote>
              </ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Timestamp Hr="16" Mn="10">(1610)</Timestamp>
          <FloorLanguage language="EN">[<I>English</I>]</FloorLanguage>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10950193">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264486" Type="47">Mr. Taylor Bachrach</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6293238">I have a point of order, Mr. Chair.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6293239">I think the translation isn't working again, or perhaps Ms. Kusie is on the wrong channel.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10950197">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269223" Type="47">Mrs. Stephanie Kusie</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6293240">I am on the wrong channel. My apologies. </ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6293241">In my attempt to work in both official languages, I did not put it on the correct channel.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6293242"> I have now put it on the right channel, and I will repeat my motion:</ParaText>
              <FloorLanguage language="FR">[<I>Translation</I>]</FloorLanguage>
              <ParaText id="6293243">
                <Quote>
                  <QuotePara Align="Left" IndentFirst="2" IndentRest="1">That the Committee undertake a study of four meetings on the impact of COVID-19 on the aviation sector; and that the Committee report its findings and recommendations to the House.</QuotePara>
                </Quote>
              </ParaText>
              <FloorLanguage language="EN">[<I>English</I>]</FloorLanguage>
              <ParaText id="6293244">My third one is:<Quote><QuotePara Align="Left">That the committee undertake a study on rapid testing for COVID-19 in the transportation sector and that the committee report its findings, including its recommendations, to the House and that the Government respond to the committee’s recommendations.</QuotePara></Quote></ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6293245">My fourth one is: <Quote><QuotePara Align="Left">That the committee undertake a study on the impact of COVID-19 supply chains particularly supply chains that involve the aviation, shipping; and the committee report its findings, including recommendations, to the House.</QuotePara></Quote></ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6293246">My final one is: <Quote><QuotePara Align="Left">That the committee undertake a study on the proposed Alaskta to Alberta railway and that the committee report its findings including recommendations to the House.</QuotePara></Quote></ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10950202">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269222" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6293247">Thank you, Mrs. Kusie.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6293248">Mr. Bachrach.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10950210">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264486" Type="47">Mr. Taylor Bachrach</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6293249">Thank you, Mr. Chair.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6293250">I have three motions, for which I would like to provide notice.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6293251">The first one relates to infrastructure funding: “That the committee commit to undertake a study related to the mandate and activities of the Canada Infrastructure Bank including a review of the projects that the Bank has supported and possible alternate mechanisms for funding for comparable projects and that no fewer than four meetings be set aside for this study.”</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6293252">The second motion relates to the investing in Canada plan and the climate lens. The motion reads: “That the committee commit to undertake a study related to implementation and effectiveness of the climate lens requirement to Investing in Canada’s Infrastructure programs, its disaster mitigation and adaptation funds and its smart cities challenge and that no fewer than four meetings be set aside for this study.”</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6293253">The third and final motion relates to broadband infrastructure: “That the committee commit to undertake a study related to the implementation and effectiveness of Government of Canada’s programs to support high speed internet and cell infrastructure in rural remote and northern communities and that no fewer than four meetings be set aside for this study.”</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Timestamp Hr="16" Mn="15">(1615)</Timestamp>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10950226">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269222" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6293254">Thank you, Mr. Bachrach.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6293255">Mr. Barsalou-Duval, please go ahead.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <FloorLanguage language="FR">[<I>Translation</I>]</FloorLanguage>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10950229">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269224" Type="47">Mr. Xavier Barsalou-Duval</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6293256">Thank you, Mr. Chair.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6293257">I have four motions to submit to the committee. Could the clerk confirm that she has actually received them, because another person was acting as the clerk beforehand? I don't know whether the information actually got to her. We can send them to her if necessary.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6293258">Here is my first motion:</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6293259">
                <Quote>
                  <QuotePara Align="Left" IndentFirst="3" IndentRest="2">That, pursuant to Standing Order 108(2), the Committee undertake a study on the sale of Air Transat and its impact on the air transportation sector in Canada; that, in order to thoroughly study the situation, an order of the Committee be issued for the production of Transport Canada’s reports, documents, memoranda, notes and other records relating to the sale of Air Transat and that they be delivered to the Clerk of the Committee within fifteen days following the adoption of this motion.</QuotePara>
                </Quote>
              </ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6293260">This, of course, is a motion about the sale of Air Transat, which has important repercussions on competition. The <Affiliation DbId="214333" Type="4">Minister of Transport</Affiliation> has recognized that himself by launching a public interest assessment on the very transaction.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6293261">My second motion is as follows:</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6293262">
                <Quote>
                  <QuotePara Align="Left" IndentFirst="2" IndentRest="1">That, pursuant to Standing Order 108(2), the Committee undertake a study on regional air transportation issues in the context of Air Canada’s withdrawal of service from more than 30 regional routes and on measures and solutions that could be introduced to ensure adequate service that meets the needs of the regions affected by these withdrawals; and that the Committee report its findings and recommendations to the House.</QuotePara>
                </Quote>
              </ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6293263">So this is about the major elimination of regional services. I feel that we have to focus on this in order to find lasting solutions to the problem, which is due in part to COVID-19. The problem existed before, but COVID-19 has made it worse.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6293264">Here's the next motion:</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6293265">
                <Quote>
                  <QuotePara Align="Left" IndentFirst="3" IndentRest="2">That, pursuant to Standing Order 108(2), the Committee undertake a study on airline policies to deny refunds in the context of the COVID-19 pandemic and the possibility of the Department of Transport to adopt and issue directives consistent with consumers’ rights; and that the Committee report its findings and recommendations to the House.</QuotePara>
                </Quote>
              </ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6293266">This is about the travel credits and the many plane tickets for which consumers have not been reimbursed. The airlines are refusing to reimburse people who, in a way, have lost their money.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6293267">My final motion is as follows:</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6293268">
                <Quote>
                  <QuotePara Align="Left" IndentFirst="2" IndentRest="1">That, pursuant to Standing Order 108(2), the Committee undertake a study on government policies and measures in place with respect to transportation electrification and proposals for improvements; and that the Committee report its findings and recommendations to the House.</QuotePara>
                </Quote>
              </ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6293269">I feel the motion speaks for itself.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6293270">Thank you very much for letting me introduce these motions, Mr. Chair.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Debate" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10950240">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269222" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6293271">Thank you, Mr. Barsalou-Duval.</ParaText>
              <FloorLanguage language="EN">[<I>English</I>]</FloorLanguage>
              <ParaText id="6293272"> I'm now going to move on to Mr. Rogers. </ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10950241">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264332" Type="47">Mr. Churence Rogers</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6293273">Thanks, Mr. Chair.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6293274">I have a motion that relates to identifying innovative technology and solutions for cargo delivery in northern rural and remote communities: <Quote><QuotePara Align="Left">That the committee commit to undertake a study focusing on the roles that innovative technology such as drones or the latest generation of airships can play in delivering cargo to northern and remote communities that are challenging to service using existing transportation infrastructure, and that in consultation with committee members, the chair be empowered to coordinate the resources and scheduling necessary to execute these studies in six meetings or fewer.</QuotePara></Quote></ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6293275">Thanks, Mr. Chair.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="10950243">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269222" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6293276">Thank you, Mr. Rogers.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6293277">Mr. Bittle.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10950245">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264329" Type="47">Mr. Chris Bittle</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6293278">Thank you so much, Mr. Chair.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6293279">My motion is fairly similar to one of the motions brought forward by Mrs. Kusie. Hopefully the subcommittee will be able to merge these together if the committee deems it a priority. It would be a general study—a little broader than what Mrs. Kusie discussed—of biosecurity in the transportation sector. </ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6293280"> The motion is as follows: <Quote><QuotePara Align="Left">That the committee undertake a study focusing on the role that innovative bio technology, for example, temperature screening, retinal scans, face recognition, can play in improving safety and security of our transportation sector including increasing public confidence in said sector and that in consultation with the committee members, the Chair be empowered to coordinate the resources and scheduling necessary to execute this study in six meetings or fewer.</QuotePara></Quote></ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6293281">Thank you, Mr. Chair.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Timestamp Hr="16" Mn="20">(1620)</Timestamp>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="10950248">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269222" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6293282"> Thank you, Mr. Bittle.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6293283">Ms. Jaczek, please go ahead.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10950250">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264331" Type="47">Ms. Helena Jaczek</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6293284">It's certainly nice to see so much enthusiasm for so many different studies coming from members of the committee. Our committee, of course, is transport, infrastructure and communities. My motion addresses particularly infrastructure and communities. The motion is: <Quote><QuotePara Align="Left">That the committee undertake a study on the ability of targeted infrastructure investment to influence social economic and environmental outcomes and improve the lives of Canadians and underserve in vulnerable communities; that the committee examine the socio-economic profile of where infrastructure funding has flowed historically, and that the committee study the best practices in Canada and abroad for ensuring infrastructure investments reach communities most in need.</QuotePara></Quote></ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="10950252">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269222" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6293285">Mr. El-Khoury, please go ahead.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <FloorLanguage language="FR">[<I>Translation</I>]</FloorLanguage>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10950253">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264330" Type="47">Mr. Fayçal El-Khoury</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6293286">Mr. Chair, I also have a motion to introduce.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6293287">I move:</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6293288">
                <Quote>
                  <QuotePara Align="Left" IndentFirst="2" IndentRest="1">That the Committee commit to undertaking a study on the industrial capacity of the construction sector in order to determine how much investment can be made in the Canadian economy each year to ensure full employment in the construction sector and related supply chains, how to obtain maximum performance of these investments and how to do so without causing unwarranted inflation in project costs; and that, the study examine the potential of current training programs and commitments from all levels of government to boost capacity.</QuotePara>
                </Quote>
              </ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <FloorLanguage language="EN">[<I>English</I>]</FloorLanguage>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="10950255">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269222" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6293289">Thank you, Mr. El-Khoury.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6293290">Are there any further questions, comments or motions? Is there any further business?</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6293291">Madam Clerk, do you have any comments?</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10950256">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="229246" Type="27">The Clerk</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6293292">No. Thank you.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6293293">I did receive the motions from Mr. Barsalou-Duval, and I can distribute the motions to all of the members in both official languages.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="10950258">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269222" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6293294">Thank you.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6293295">It will be my intent to secure a date for a subcommittee meeting. We haven't received any indication from our whips, nor from the clerk, that there is a future meeting scheduled, but I do believe we can take that opportunity to schedule a subcommittee.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6293296">The question I have for members is about the makeup of the subcommittee itself. Madam Clerk, last time around, I believe our subcommittee was made up of all parties. Can you confirm that?</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10950260">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="229246" Type="27">The Clerk</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6293297">Yes, absolutely. We just adopted the routine motion saying that it should be members of all recognized parties and that it be five members. Normally, I confirm with the whips as to who exactly would be the members for the subcommittee.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="10950262">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269222" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6293298">Wonderful. Are there any questions or comments on that?</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6293299">With no further business before us, I will now adjourn this meeting.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6293300">Thank you very much, folks.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
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