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          <Timestamp Hr="16" Mn="10">(1610)</Timestamp>
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          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10980932">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269207" Type="35">The Chair (Mr. Emmanuel Dubourg (Bourassa, Lib.))</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6329553"> I call this meeting to order.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6329554">Welcome to meeting number three of the House of Commons Standing Committee on Official Languages. Today's meeting is taking place in a hybrid format in public. We will be discussing committee business.</ParaText>
              <FloorLanguage language="FR">[<I>Translation</I>]</FloorLanguage>
              <ParaText id="6329555">Because of the delay related to the votes, I am advising you that, if there is consent, we can sit until 5:45 p.m. at the latest, because there are other activities planned in this room.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6329556"> We will proceed this way.</ParaText>
            </Content>
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          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10980941">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264426" Type="47">Mr. John Williamson (New Brunswick Southwest, CPC)</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6329557">Mr. Chair, may I speak?</ParaText>
            </Content>
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          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10980943">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269207" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6329558">Yes, Mr. Williamson.</ParaText>
            </Content>
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          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10980944">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264426" Type="47">Mr. John Williamson</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6329559">Do you need unanimous consent?</ParaText>
            </Content>
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          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10980945">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269207" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6329560">Exactly; we need unanimous consent.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10980947">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264426" Type="47">Mr. John Williamson</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6329561">I can't give my consent because I'm attending other committee meetings tonight. I'm sorry.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10980949">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269207" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6329562">All right, colleague. Thank you.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6329563">So we'll be sitting until 5:30 p.m.</ParaText>
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          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10980951">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264426" Type="47">Mr. John Williamson</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6329564">I would like to raise a quick point of order.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6329565">When it comes to raising our hand, do we physically do it in front of the screen or by using the “participant” button on the computer?</ParaText>
            </Content>
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          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10980952">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269207" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6329566">You have to raise your hand by using the “participant” button. Thus, it will be done in order.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6329567">You will understand that there are also MPs in the room and I don't see them. It is therefore preferable to proceed this way.</ParaText>
              <FloorLanguage language="EN">[<I>English</I>]</FloorLanguage>
              <ParaText id="6329568">I'm not going to read all of the information concerning the COVID pandemic. We did that the last session, and you already received an email concerning that. </ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6329569">Our clerk today is Ms. Christine Lafrance. She's here to help us. </ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6329570">This is our third meeting dealing with committee business.</ParaText>
              <FloorLanguage language="FR">[<I>Translation</I>]</FloorLanguage>
              <ParaText id="6329571">Ideally, I would like to schedule our next sessions. Topics for study have been proposed. I will reserve, if you don't mind, the last 15 minutes of the meeting to prepare our strategy for the next meeting. I think that all committee members agree that after three sessions discussing the work of the committee, it would be good to start looking at these topics. If, however, at the end of this session, we have not yet dealt with the motions, the committee will decide whether it wants to complete the study in a subcommittee or come back to it later in committee.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6329572">I'll tell you why we're still discussing the work of the committee. You have received an email that explains it to you. At the last meeting, there was a desire to invite the Commissioner of Official Languages, for example. Immediately following that meeting last week, the clerk took steps to invite the commissioner to appear before us. Unfortunately, he is not available today and there was no other way to proceed. It was therefore decided to return to the committee's work to move things forward as much as possible.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6329573">Allow me to outline what we need to study now. Last week, we passed three motions: Ms. Lambropoulos' motion on education, Ms. Lattanzio's motion on the pandemic, and Mr. Blaney's motion on the commissioner's appearance no later than November 24. All three motions were adopted.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6329574">There are five notices of motion from the last meeting that we did not discuss. There's Mr. Blaney's motion to invite the minister about the budget; the second motion is that it be televised and the third is about the pandemic. There are also Mr. Beaulieu's motions on WE Charity and on French in Quebec, if I can put it that way. That's eight motions already. In addition, there are three other motions that have been tabled: one by Mr. Beaulieu on French, one by Ms. Ashton on the modernization of the Official Languages Act, and a third by Ms. Lalonde on official languages.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6329575">In addition, two other motions were filed, but late. As everyone knows, motions must be filed 48 hours in advance. These are Mr. Blaney's motions. The first one proposes to receive the commissioner on November 27, and the second one proposes to invite the minister to speak about the projects. The last thing is the main estimates, which must also be discussed.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6329576">In total, colleagues, there are 13 motions, three of which have been accepted. </ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6329577">When the last meeting ended, Mr. Beaulieu had the floor. I suggest that we discuss Mr. Blaney's motion concerning the commissioner, the one he had first tabled, proposing that the commissioner appear no later than November 24.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6329578">We have contacted the commissioner. He sent us an email today, saying that he would be available after the week of November 24, if we still meet on Thursday. We insisted and he let us know that he would be available to meet with us over the break week. I would like us to discuss this possibility first, because that motion was passed. Then we will be able to debate the other motions.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6329579">Is this formula suitable to you?</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6329580"> Mr. Blaney, you have the floor.</ParaText>
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          <Timestamp Hr="16" Mn="15">(1615)</Timestamp>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10980980">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269208" Type="40">Hon. Steven Blaney (Bellechasse—Les Etchemins—Lévis, CPC)</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6329581">Mr. Chair, essentially, I find it pragmatic.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6329582">Indeed, we look forward to receiving the Commissioner of Official Languages and to knowing when he will be coming. The spirit of the motion is that we receive him as soon as possible. We have already met during a recess week, and since we would be meeting just once, I think that's fine.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6329583">We only have one hour to do our job, so I agree with you. That would give us a first activity to put on the agenda. I hope that we can do it in the last 15 minutes and that by then we will be able to draw up our roadmap.</ParaText>
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          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10980984">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269207" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6329584">Thank you.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6329585">According to the email I received, the commissioner will be available on Friday, November 13, from 10:30 a.m. to noon or after 2 p.m. So it's up to us to decide.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6329586"> Ms. Ashton, you have the floor.</ParaText>
            </Content>
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          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10980990">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264480" Type="47">Ms. Niki Ashton (Churchill—Keewatinook Aski, NDP)</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6329587">In fact, I forgot to put my hand down. I agree with what has been proposed.</ParaText>
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          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10980991">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269207" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6329588">Fine.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6329589">Mr. Arsenault, you have the floor.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10980992">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264305" Type="47">Mr. René Arseneault (Madawaska—Restigouche, Lib.)</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6329590">Thank you, Mr. Chair.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6329591">I'm going to try very hard to speak slowly, because apparently there is a problem with my device.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6329592">I may be out of order, Mr. Chair, but I raised my hand when you were referring to the subcommittee. You advised us last week that there was really no room for a subcommittee and that if we wanted to do a formal subcommittee, we would have to cut the time of the regular committee. I'd like an update on that.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6329593">Is there a way to meet outside, for instance, by common agreement among the parties represented on the committee, even if it is informal? This would allow us to save time, plan our motions and talk about them.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6329594">As you said, we don't have a lot of time to debate in committee, and we would save a lot of time if we could use a subcommittee, because that's what it's all about. I would just like you to tell me if, legally speaking, we could meet as a subcommittee informally to bring more fluidity to the debate on our motions.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Timestamp Hr="16" Mn="20">(1620)</Timestamp>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10980999">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269207" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6329595">I discussed things with the clerk. As indicated, in the context of a pandemic, if dates are announced for subcommittee meetings, they must be chosen from among those dates. These dates are Monday to Friday.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6329596">Since the new calendar has not yet been published, we do not have the necessary information and cannot immediately reserve a time slot for the subcommittee. If we can't get one, then we will have to debate in committee, which is why we have chosen this way of proceeding.</ParaText>
            </Content>
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          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10981003">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264305" Type="47">Mr. René Arseneault</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6329597">So there is no way that representatives from each party can agree to meet, for example, through a Zoom conference?</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10981004">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269207" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6329598">As you know, party representatives are not the only ones who attend subcommittee meetings. There is also the staff who accompany them. In addition, you then have to come back to the committee for approval.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6329599">Having said that, I can assure you that the clerk is doing everything possible and that we are on the lookout. As soon as the calendar is published, we will reserve a time slot to hold a subcommittee meeting.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6329600">Thank you, Mr. Arseneault.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6329601"> Mr. Beaulieu, you have the floor.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10981012">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269209" Type="40">Mr. Mario Beaulieu (La Pointe-de-l'Île, BQ)</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6329602">I will continue in the same vein as Mr. Arseneault. If we had wanted to hold a subcommittee meeting, it would have been possible to do so at 3:30 p.m. and hold the committee meeting shortly after.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6329603">As far as staff members are concerned, everyone can attend meetings via Zoom, can't they?</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6329604">Why would we be required to attend subcommittee meetings in person?</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10981013">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269207" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6329605">Could you repeat that?</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10981015">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269209" Type="40">Mr. Mario Beaulieu</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6329606">I asked if the clerk, the analyst and all those usually present could participate through Zoom. If they could participate virtually, it would make things easier.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6329607">Do they have to be present in a room? </ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10981017">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269207" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6329608">No. In fact, the problem is not the room, but the availability of our staff.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6329609">Madam Clerk, could you say a few words about this?</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10981027">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="199167" Type="27">The Clerk of the Committee (Ms. Christine Lafrance)</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6329610">In fact, resources are currently limited. Committees were invited to use their time slot to hold subcommittee meetings if they wished.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6329611">Having said that, sometimes there is availability, but you should check the calendar. As a general rule, if a subcommittee wants to meet, it should take the committee time slot that has been established by the whips.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10981034">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269207" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6329612">Excellent. Thank you very much.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6329613">I see that Mrs. Lalonde would like to speak.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6329614">You have the floor, Mrs. Lalonde.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10981039">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264308" Type="47">Mrs. Marie-France Lalonde (Orléans, Lib.)</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6329615">Before addressing the points made by Mr. Beaulieu and my colleague Mr. Arseneault, I would like clarification regarding the possibility of inviting the commissioner, the hours of availability and the date of Friday, November 13. What slots are available?</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6329616">Actually, I didn't quite get that, Madam Clerk. Could you tell me what's physically possible for us on November 13, about a possible meeting during the break week?</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Timestamp Hr="16" Mn="25">(1625)</Timestamp>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10981048">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269207" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6329617">As I mentioned, in the email we received today, the commissioner tells us that he will be available on November 13, from 10:30 a.m. to noon and after 2:00 p.m.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6329618"> Madam Clerk, do you know whether the room and all necessary equipment would be available on that date if the committee chooses that day to meet with the commissioner?</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10981059">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="199167" Type="27">The Clerk</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6329619">I'll have to check, Mr. Chair.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10981062">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269207" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6329620">Very well.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6329621">Are committee members willing to meet with the commissioner over the November 13 break week? Are there any objections? If yes, raise your hand.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6329622">If I understand correctly, we all agree on the idea of receiving the commissioner on Friday, November 13. We still have to determine the time. It would be more likely that we would be able to meet him at 2:00 p.m. I suggest that we leave this in the hands of the clerk, who will send us a notice of meeting as soon as possible for this meeting on Friday, November 13.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6329623">Are there any objections?</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6329624">Mrs. Lalonde, you have the floor.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10981071">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264308" Type="47">Mrs. Marie-France Lalonde</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6329625">Could the clerk let us know today whether the room is available? </ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6329626">I apologize for my insistence, Madam Clerk.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10981079">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="199167" Type="27">The Clerk</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6329627">Mrs. Lalonde, I wish I could predict the future for you.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6329628">Actually, I just sent a message and I'm told that I have to check with committee administration. So I don't have an answer.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10981080">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269207" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6329629">We have just clarified that there will be a meeting on November 13, but there will surely be one next week as well. We'll make arrangements today to determine what will happen at the next meeting. That's why I reserve the right to keep the last 15 minutes of the meeting if we don't come to an agreement. We need to know now what study we are going to undertake at the next meeting, rather than continuing with committee or subcommittee work. It will be up to the committee members to decide.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6329630">I've painted a picture of the situation. Once again, we are left with 10 motions and the main estimates, which must be tabled by November 27.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6329631">As I mentioned, Mr. Beaulieu had presented a number of notices of motion and he had the floor at the end of the last meeting.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6329632"> Mr. Beaulieu, we're listening</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10981085">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269209" Type="40">Mr. Mario Beaulieu</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6329633">At the last meeting, we had started to discuss a motion. Are we going to continue to discuss it? It relates to the WE Charity file. Otherwise, I have another motion that I have amended; I had not yet introduced it. The second motion is the right one.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10981090">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269207" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6329634">I checked with the clerk and the motions that were not adopted are all notices of motion. You have the floor and it's up to you to decide which motion you want to discuss with the committee members.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Timestamp Hr="16" Mn="30">(1630)</Timestamp>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10981099">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269209" Type="40">Mr. Mario Beaulieu</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6329635">We had started to discuss the first motion about WE Charity. The second motion is the one you just received, which has been amended. I am not tabling the other motion, as it is almost the same. I believe the clerk has received it. </ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10981122">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269207" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6329636">I'd like to clarify something.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10981127">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269209" Type="40">Mr. Mario Beaulieu</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6329637">My second motion deals with French in Quebec, but I have modified it to include the francophone and Acadian communities as well as English in Quebec.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10981134">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269207" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6329638">Okay.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6329639">As I said, you can choose which motion you want to consider. I understand that you want to start with the motion that talks about WE Charity. Of the eight motions we've looked at, there are some that overlap. We could group them together or split them up, or we could discuss them in the subcommittee.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10981148">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269209" Type="40">Mr. Mario Beaulieu</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6329640">Shall I submit the second motion?</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10981149">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269207" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6329641">It's up to you to decide.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10981151">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269209" Type="40">Mr. Mario Beaulieu</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6329642">I already submitted the first motion. Could the clerk please advise me on the procedure to follow? Do I move both motions at the same time or do I start with the first one?</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10981153">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269207" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6329643">No, it must be done one motion at a time.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10981157">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269209" Type="40">Mr. Mario Beaulieu</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6329644">I will therefore move the motion on the WE Charity file again. It is about having a single central committee, rather than several special committees, to study the dossier.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6329645">We recommend:</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6329646">
                <Quote>
                  <QuotePara Align="Left">That the Standing Committee on Official Languages recommend to the House the creation of a special committee to hold hearings to examine all aspects of the design and creation of the Canada Student Service Grant, including those relating to the study to review the safeguards to prevent conflicts of interest in federal government expenditure policies; government spending, WE Charity and the Canada Student Service Grant; the government’s decision to select WE Charity, an anglophone organization, to implement the Canada Student Service Grant (CSSG); and the administration of the Canada Student Service Grant and WE Charity;</QuotePara>
                  <QuotePara>1. That the committee be composed of 11 members, of which five shall be government members, four shall be from the official opposition, one shall be from the Bloc Québécois and one from the New Democratic Party;</QuotePara>
                </Quote>
                <Quote>
                  <QuotePara>2. That changes in the membership of the committee shall be effective immediately after notification by the whip has been filed with the Clerk of the House;[...]</QuotePara>
                </Quote>
              </ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6329647">I can read the rest, but that's basically it. The goal is to create a special committee that will take over all the work of the committees on all the issues that affect the Canada Student Volunteer Grant and WE Charity.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10981179">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269207" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6329648">Thank you, Mr. Beaulieu.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6329649">Before I answer you, we have two raised hands.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6329650">Mr. Blaney, go ahead.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10981181">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269208" Type="40">Hon. Steven Blaney</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6329651">Thank you, Mr. Chair.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6329652">What I would like is for us to have an efficient meeting. We know the positions of the various political parties, and I am open to them.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6329653">I want us to hold a vote as quickly as possible, so that we can then move on to committee business, with the objective of establishing our roadmap. We have a planned meeting, potentially that of the Standing Committee on Official Languages.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6329654">Concerning Mr. Beaulieu's second motion on the study of French, we saw that it was mentioned in the Speech from the Throne and there is consensus on it. I think that we have a very nice motion to work on.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6329655">I will stop here because I would rather talk about the other motion instead of this one on WE Charity. I think it has attracted a lot of attention, and we are in favour of it.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6329656">What I want is for us to be able to move forward and for the committee to set out a roadmap.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Timestamp Hr="16" Mn="35">(1635)</Timestamp>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10981192">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269207" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6329657">Thank you, Mr. Blaney.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6329658">Ms. Lattanzio, go ahead.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10981193">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264310" Type="47">Ms. Patricia Lattanzio (Saint-Léonard—Saint-Michel, Lib.)</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6329659">Thank you, Mr. Chair.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6329660">Sorry, but I would like to ask you to examine the motion's admissibility.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6329661">We know that the same motion has been moved in a number of committees. The only changing aspect is the preamble. It was amended to suit each committee, be it the Standing Committee on Finance, the Standing Committee on Access to Information, Privacy and Ethics or the Standing Committee on Official Languages.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6329662">I can say with certainty that I have seen this motion, as it was moved in the Standing Committee on Access to Information, Privacy and Ethics, of which I am a member. The preamble is the only thing that has changed. Since this motion has already been studied in a committee, I don't see how we can move it again in this committee, for a number of reasons.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6329663">First, a position has already been established on that motion. Second, if each committee makes amendments, the result will be different for every committee. What would we do with that? Third, what makes no sense to me is for this motion to be debated in the Senate. It's always the same motion coming back. What is more, I am wondering whether the wording of this motion is within the purview of the Standing Committee on Official Languages. </ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6329664">So it seems to me, Mr. Chair, that you should determine whether this motion is admissible or not. I would like you to look into this.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10981205">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269207" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6329665">Thank you, Ms. Lattanzio.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6329666">I will say right away to the committee members that, according to the exchange I have had with officials, especially the clerk, this position is problematic, and I will tell you why.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6329667">Standing Order 108(2) states the following:</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6329668">
                <Quote>
                  <QuotePara Align="Left" IndentFirst="2" IndentRest="2">...the standing committees...be empowered to study and report on all matters relating to the mandate, management and operation of the department or departments of government which are assigned to them...</QuotePara>
                </Quote>
              </ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6329669">Moreover, Standing Order 108(3)(f), which specifically affects the Standing Committee on Official Languages, specifies the following:</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6329670">
                <Quote>
                  <QuotePara Align="Left" IndentFirst="2" IndentRest="2">(f) Official Languages shall include, among other matters, the review of and report on official languages policies and programs, including reports of the Commissioner of Official Languages, which shall be deemed permanently referred to the committee immediately after they are laid upon the table;</QuotePara>
                </Quote>
              </ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6329671">Finally, <I>House of Commons Procedure and Practice</I> stipulates the following:</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6329672">
                <Quote>
                  <QuotePara Align="Left" IndentFirst="2" IndentRest="2">Like all other powers of standing committees, the power to report is limited to issues that follow in their mandate...</QuotePara>
                </Quote>
              </ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6329673">Mr. Beaulieu, this is my decision concerning the motion you have moved on WE Charity.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6329674">Before going to other committee members on my list, I would like to ask Mr. Beaulieu what his reaction to the ruling I just made is.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10981218">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269209" Type="40">Mr. Mario Beaulieu</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6329675">I would say that my motion is consistent with the committee's mandate, as it talks about official languages relative to WE Charity. We are proposing a central committee. Our committee can suggest that a report be done on that. I don't see why it couldn't do it.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Timestamp Hr="16" Mn="40">(1640)</Timestamp>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10981220">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269207" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6329676">Okay, I understand what you are saying, but....</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10981221">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269209" Type="40">Mr. Mario Beaulieu</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6329677">My understanding of Mr. Blaney's comments is that we should hold a vote as quickly as possible. But you are telling me that my motion is not admissible.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10981225">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269207" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6329678">That's right.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10981226">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269209" Type="40">Mr. Mario Beaulieu</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6329679">Can we vote on that?</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10981227">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269207" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6329680">According to my ruling, your motion is not admissible because it recommends certain actions to the House, while our official mandate, as clearly stipulated in Standing Orders 108(2) and 108(3), is to report on an issue, and not to make recommendations.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10981229">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269209" Type="40">Mr. Mario Beaulieu</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6329681">Can we vote on it?</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10981231">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269207" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6329682">I have ruled that the motion is not admissible. However, Mr. Beaulieu, you can challenge the chair's ruling. In that case, the committee will have to vote on the chair's ruling. Depending on the circumstances, we will either move on to other motions or come back to the discussion on this motion and put it to a vote.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10981232">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269209" Type="40">Mr. Mario Beaulieu</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6329683">With all due respect, I challenge your ruling, Mr. Chair.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10981234">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269207" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6329684">Okay.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6329685">Before we go any further, I will give the floor to the four people on the list.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6329686">Ms. Lattanzio, go ahead.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10981236">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264310" Type="47">Ms. Patricia Lattanzio</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6329687">No, it's okay, Mr. Chair. I already spoke. I will take away my raised hand.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10981237">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269207" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6329688">Okay, thank you.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6329689">So we have something to debate.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6329690">I will now give the floor to Mr. Arseneault. I will ask the clerk, once he has spoken....</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10981239">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264424" Type="47">Mr. Marc Dalton (Pitt Meadows—Maple Ridge, CPC)</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6329691">I have a point of order, Mr. Chair.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6329692">I don't think this can be the topic of debate. Mr. Beaulieu is challenging the chair's ruling, but that cannot be debated. We have to hold a vote.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10981241">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269207" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6329693">You are entirely correct, Mr. Dalton. The clerk just told me that the challenging of the chair's ruling cannot be debated. So we have to vote on the ruling I just made. We will proceed to a vote.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6329694">The chair's ruling has been challenged. We would like to know which members of the committee are in favour of that challenge and which ones are against it.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10981246">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="199167" Type="27">The Clerk</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6329695">Here is the motion:</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6329696">
                <Quote>
                  <QuotePara Align="Left" IndentFirst="2" IndentRest="2">That the ruling of the chair be sustained.</QuotePara>
                </Quote>
              </ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6329697">(Ruling of the chair overturned: nays 6; yeas 5)</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10981249">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269207" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6329698">The motion to sustain the ruling of the chair has been rejected. So we are returning to Mr. Beaulieu's motion on WE Charity. The debate is reopened.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6329699">I have four names on my list, and a number of others are being added to it. The first to take the floor will be Mr. Duguid.</ParaText>
              <FloorLanguage language="EN">[<I>English</I>]</FloorLanguage>
              <ParaText id="6329700"> Mr. Duguid, the floor is yours.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Timestamp Hr="16" Mn="45">(1645)</Timestamp>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10981255">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264307" Type="47">Mr. Terry Duguid (Winnipeg South, Lib.)</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6329701">Mr. Chair, I will have more to say. This is more in the way of a point of order.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6329702">With some of our speakers, I'm hearing both official languages at the same time, so it does make a difference what channel they put themselves on. </ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6329703">I'm hearing you perfectly, but for Ms. Lattanzio, for instance, I was hearing both languages at the same time. I believe my Zoom is updated, so I don't think the problem is at my end, but of course, I will check after our meeting.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6329704"> I'm ready for what I think will be a long debate, unfortunately, on this matter that has been talked to death on the floor in various committees. It's really unfortunate that we're not able to get on with the important business of protecting both official languages in this.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10981263">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269207" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6329705">Thank you, Mr. Duguid.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6329706">If you have that problem again, just let us know. We'll verify with the technical support if there is a problem.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6329707">Mr. Généreux is next.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <FloorLanguage language="FR">[<I>Translation</I>]</FloorLanguage>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10981264">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264425" Type="47">Mr. Bernard Généreux (Montmagny—L'Islet—Kamouraska—Rivière-du-Loup, CPC)</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6329708">Thank you, Mr. Chair.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6329709">On several occasions over the past few years, the minister in charge of official languages, <Affiliation DbId="253383" Type="96">Ms. Mélanie Joly</Affiliation>, told us that the committee was independent. So I respect her position that the committee is independent and that it can choose its own debates and fights.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6329710">We have been unable to debate this issue since we returned to Parliament. But we now have the opportunity to determine once and for all what happened. I remind you that this is, after all, a contract nearing $1 billion where francophones were explicitly forgotten.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6329711">All governments must be accountable to Parliament, and we must ensure that something like this would not happen again. As parliamentarians sitting on a committee like the official languages committee, it is our role to make sure of this.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6329712">The fact that the committee is managing not to debate this motion is contrary to the spirit of our role of parliamentarians and representatives of our respective regions. I sincerely believe that we must get to the bottom of this issue, so that this would never happen again.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6329713">I hope that we will be able to vote on this as quickly as possible.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10981283">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269207" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6329714">Thank you, Mr. Généreux.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6329715">The next person on the list is Ms. Lambropoulos. She will be followed by Ms. Lattanzio, Ms. Ashton and Mrs. Lalonde.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6329716">Go ahead, Ms. Lambropoulos.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10981287">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264309" Type="47">Ms. Emmanuella Lambropoulos (Saint-Laurent, Lib.)</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6329717">Thank you, Mr. Chair.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6329718">At our last meeting, we discussed the WE Charity issue for two hours. We explained why we did not think it was a study we should undertake in the Standing Committee on Official Languages.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6329719">I am a teacher from Montreal, and I have personally dealt with WE Charity in Quebec. The organization worked with my students to take them to a third-world country to build a bridge. So it is false to say that it is not for Quebeckers. That organization exists in Quebec, as well, and it has a French name. It held a conference fully in French, in Montreal, which attracted hundreds of individuals. I have brought this up several times.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6329720">I know that the opposition members have not dealt with WE Charity, as I don't think anyone here has had an opportunity to work with young people in the past.</ParaText>
              <Timestamp Hr="16" Mn="50">(1650)</Timestamp>
              <FloorLanguage language="EN">[<I>English</I>]</FloorLanguage>
              <ParaText id="6329721">In my experience, it's definitely an organization that has worked in both the French sector and the English sector and across the province of Quebec.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6329722">In Montreal, as I mentioned, they had only French speakers. It's actually public information. You can check their Facebook page. You can watch a three-hour long conference that took place in French, with French music and French everything—</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <FloorLanguage language="FR">[<I>Translation</I>]</FloorLanguage>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10981294">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264424" Type="47">Mr. Marc Dalton</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6329723">Mr. Chair, I have a point of order.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10981298">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269207" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6329724">Go ahead, Mr. Dalton.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Debate" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10982666">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264424" Type="47">Mr. Marc Dalton</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6329725">The member said that she already brought this up. I think this is actually the second or the third time. That's all good and well, but our time is limited and we have many things to do. So I suggest to all committee members to keep their comments much shorter.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6329726">In addition, I would like to point out that I am also a teacher.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Debate" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10982712">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269207" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6329727">Thank you, Mr. Dalton, but that is not a point of order. All committee members can speak. We are debating the motion. This is not the first meeting where we give it time, and we all want to set a schedule. As I was saying earlier, I will set aside the last 15 minutes for us to plan the next meeting.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6329728">Ms. Lambropoulos, you can finish your comments, please.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <FloorLanguage language="EN">[<I>English</I>]</FloorLanguage>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10981305">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264309" Type="47">Ms. Emmanuella Lambropoulos</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6329729"> Thank you, Mr. Chair.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6329730">Mr. Dalton, I appreciate the fact that you were a teacher, but you were not a teacher in Quebec. With my experience in Quebec and in French immersion schools—that is, with English schools that are French immersion—I have dealt with the organization in French, and that is the point being discussed. I think it's a very relevant point—probably one of the most relevant we'll hear. No offence, but it's just given my experience working with them personally. </ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6329731">As I mentioned, you can check out UNIS on their Facebook page, and you can see the three-hour long conference that took place purely in French to help French youth get involved. The argument that this is an anglophone only organization that does not do anything in French and does not reach the French population is not a good one because it's false.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <FloorLanguage language="FR">[<I>Translation</I>]</FloorLanguage>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10981314">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269207" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6329732">Thank you, Ms. Lambropoulos.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6329733">We have Ms. Lattanzio, Ms. Ashton, Mrs. Lalonde and Mr. Beaulieu on the list.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6329734">Ms. Lattanzio, the floor is yours.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10981316">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264310" Type="47">Ms. Patricia Lattanzio</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6329735">Thank you, Mr. Chair.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6329736">I have read my colleague's motion. It is pretty long. I'm wondering whether we should consider only the aspects of the motion corresponding to the mandate of the Standing Committee on Official Languages.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6329737">As I told you earlier, the same motion has been moved in various committees. Since your ruling was overturned, Mr. Chair, as it was deemed that those elements did come under the committee's mandate, I was wondering whether my colleague Mr. Beaulieu could guide us by telling us exactly what paragraphs he is referring to when he says that it is part of this committee's mandate. </ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6329738">I will comment again after Mr. Beaulieu clarifies this.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Timestamp Hr="16" Mn="55">(1655)</Timestamp>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10981327">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269207" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6329739">Thank you, Ms. Lattanzio.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6329740">Mr. Généreux, it is your turn now.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10981329">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264425" Type="47">Mr. Bernard Généreux</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6329741">Mr. Chair, I talked about this earlier, but I would like to add a comment to Ms. Lambropoulos's answer.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6329742">She may have had francophone experiences in Montreal with WE Charity. Let's give our colleagues an opportunity to come explain to us what those experiences were. I have personally never had any. I had not even heard about WE Charity before this scandal. We could give them an opportunity to come explain to the Standing Committee on Official Languages how they dealt with this case. We could also make sure that the program is available both in English and in French, not only in Quebec, but across Canada.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6329743">That's all I have to add for the time being.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10981338">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269207" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6329744">Thank you, Mr. Généreux.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6329745">Ms. Ashton, go ahead.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10981340">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264480" Type="47">Ms. Niki Ashton</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6329746">Thank you, Mr. Chair.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6329747">I just want to reiterate the request made by other colleagues to hold a vote as soon as possible. We have many motions to discuss. I think we have heard everyone's perspective.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10981346">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269207" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6329748">Thank you, Ms. Ashton.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6329749">Mrs. Lalonde, go ahead.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10981349">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264308" Type="47">Mrs. Marie-France Lalonde</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6329750">Thank you, Mr. Chair.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6329751">I'll be very frank with you, my fellow colleagues. I'm disappointed. I'm very disappointed. Before I came to this committee, I heard about the serious work being carried out on official languages. I was told that this committee was here to address issues that show our shared commitment, as parliamentarians, to making real progress on official languages.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6329752">Mr. Beaulieu, with all due respect, you had in your hands other motions that I think could have proposed work that I would have liked to pursue with you to promote the minority languages, meaning French outside Quebec and English in Quebec. We could have worked closely together to ensure that, from our perspective, good progress is made.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6329753">Although the chair ruled that the motion was out of order, his decision was overturned. My fellow colleagues, you made a democratic choice. However, I'm truly disappointed in the path that you took.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6329754">I think that everyone agrees that the topic in this motion has been addressed in several committees throughout the summer. Discussions have also been held in the House regarding these issues. In addition, you had the chance to discuss how you felt about the government's decision to enter into a contract with WE.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6329755">I represent the people of Orleans, the most beautiful community in Canada. As you know, Mr. Généreux, when I speak with them, I obviously talk about the pandemic, health and education. People call me every day because their business is closed or about to close. Mr. Beaulieu's motion, which we're debating today, on this beautiful Thursday, really makes me think about my role as a parliamentarian on a committee that I think exists to make progress on official languages issues.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6329756">I feel a bit confused today knowing that we'll be debating this issue. Mr. Blaney, you're the first to say that you want to make progress on the work and set up a working group.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6329757">You know that this issue will be debated elsewhere by parliamentarians. I myself had the opportunity to make my case before the Standing Committee on Access to Information, Privacy and Ethics when I participated in that committee this summer.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6329758">The worst part is that Mr. Beaulieu's entire motion is nothing more than a fishing expedition on the part of several departments and ministers. In this committee, we talk about official languages. We know that French is losing ground across Canada and that the English-speaking community in Quebec is facing challenges.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6329759">We had the opportunity today to rise above partisanship. Unfortunately, my fellow colleagues, you found a way to raise this issue again in a committee that I was told didn't work in this manner. I heard that the parliamentarians on this committee looked at the bigger picture and firmly believed that the Official Languages Act and this committee—</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Timestamp Hr="17" Mn="00">(1700)</Timestamp>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10981398">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264424" Type="47">Mr. Marc Dalton</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6329760">I have a point of order, Mr. Chair.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10981400">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269207" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6329761">Go ahead, Mr. Dalton.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10981405">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264424" Type="47">Mr. Marc Dalton</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6329762">Mr. Chair, I think that you're responsible for controlling the debate, given that our time is limited. You're in charge of monitoring how long someone takes to speak, so that people don't keep talking for four, five, six or ten minutes. We don't have much time.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6329763">I want us to proceed with the vote, please.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10981408">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264308" Type="47">Mrs. Marie-France Lalonde</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6329764">Well, I—</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10981410">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269207" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6329765">I just want to respond to Mr. Dalton's point of order.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6329766">As I said earlier, we're debating the motion. As long as the comments relate to the motion, the members have the right to speak.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6329767">I must remind you that there are currently five people on the list and that it's already 5 p.m. As I requested, at 5:15 p.m., I'll stop the debate to say what we'll be doing at our next meeting.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6329768">Mrs. Lalonde, the floor is yours.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10981413">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264308" Type="47">Mrs. Marie-France Lalonde</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6329769">Thank you, Mr. Chair.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6329770">Mr. Dalton, my fellow colleague, I understand your impatience and resentment. However, I have the right to speak like every other member. I have the right to talk about the motion that your colleague Mr. Beaulieu moved today, and I'll do so.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6329771">I'm disappointed to hear my colleague Mr. Dalton say that he wants to proceed with the vote. We could have discussed a dozen other motions today that—I'm saying this for Mr. Blaney's benefit—would have probably enabled us to start working on issues that we all consider important. Ms. Lattanzio had an excellent motion.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6329772">Let's go back to Mr. Beaulieu's motion.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6329773">What hurts me the most about all this is that the students were penalized. Not one student was able to benefit from the government's commitment to help students in Canada over the summer and in the weeks that followed. Yet I believe that parliamentarians in other caucuses also made this commitment.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6329774">While the government took many other measures, this opportunity was unfortunately missed. I want to remind my fellow colleagues that it was missed for partisans reasons. People wanted to go fishing for scandal when there was none. This contract was never fulfilled, and the students were penalized.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6329775">People, especially students, call my constituency office every day to talk about the health and safety of Canadians in the midst of the pandemic. They also talk about business people who need help. Meanwhile, not only are we persisting with a motion that has nothing to do with our committee, we're still showing partisanship. It's appalling that we're still talking about this motion after spending an entire summer doing so.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6329776">Sorry for taking all this time, Mr. Chair. However, I had to get my point across.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10981448">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269207" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6329777">Thank you, Mrs. Lalonde.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6329778">Mr. Beaulieu, the floor is yours.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10981451">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269209" Type="40">Mr. Mario Beaulieu</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6329779">I wanted to ask for the vote. However, I gather that we aren't allowed to do so.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10981455">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269207" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6329780">That's right.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10981457">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269209" Type="40">Mr. Mario Beaulieu</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6329781">This means that, if we oppose a motion, we can talk about it endlessly and block everything. Democracy is beautiful.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6329782">That's all I wanted to say. I think that everyone is ready to vote. Let's proceed with the vote, so that we can move on and address the real issues.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Timestamp Hr="17" Mn="05">(1705)</Timestamp>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10981459">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269207" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6329783">Okay, thank you.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6329784">I must respond the same way that I responded to Mr. Dalton earlier. When a committee is debating a motion, as long as a member wants to speak about the motion, they have the right to do so.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6329785">It's 5:05 p.m. and there are four people left on the list. We hope to be able to hear from everyone and make a decision. We'll stop at 5:15 p.m.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6329786">Mr. Duguid, the floor is yours.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <FloorLanguage language="EN">[<I>English</I>]</FloorLanguage>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10981471">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264307" Type="47">Mr. Terry Duguid</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6329787"> Mr. Chair, do I have the floor?</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10981476">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269207" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6329788">You do.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10981479">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264307" Type="47">Mr. Terry Duguid</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6329789">Thank you, Mr. Chair. I would just repeat what some of my colleagues have said. This is—</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6329790">Can you hear me?</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10981482">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269207" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6329791">Yes. It's not so clear, but if the technicians say it's okay, you can go on.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10981485">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264307" Type="47">Mr. Terry Duguid</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6329792">Can the interpreters hear me, Mr. Chair?</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <FloorLanguage language="FR">[<I>Translation</I>]</FloorLanguage>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10981486">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269207" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6329793">Madam Clerk, could you check this quickly with the technicians, please?</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10981490">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="199167" Type="27">The Clerk</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6329794">The interpreters are unable to do their job.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10981493">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264305" Type="47">Mr. René Arseneault</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6329795">Mr. Chair, I have a point of order.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6329796">I don't want to take someone else's turn. I just want to say that you can try to close your video tool. This saves a great deal of data and you can still hear the person speaking. The audio also becomes much more smooth at that point. If this approach complies with the rules and satisfies everyone, we could try it out.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10981496">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269207" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6329797">Mr. Duguid, do one last test. Otherwise, while we wait for the technicians to fix this, we'll need to continue.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6329798">Mr. Duguid, the floor is yours.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <FloorLanguage language="EN">[<I>English</I>]</FloorLanguage>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10981499">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264307" Type="47">Mr. Terry Duguid</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6329799"> Thank you, Mr. Chair. Hopefully, I'm much better looking when I'm not seen.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6329800">I would like to reiterate what some of my colleagues have already said, which is that we're wasting time, and we have no time to waste.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6329801">I am very proud that 17% of the population in my Winnipeg South riding are bilingual, and French is the first language of 5% of them. A number of us received a fabulous presentation the other day that the French language is declining, particularly in western Canada. We need to get to work to find solutions to reinforce the Official Languages Act, which we are going to review shortly.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6329802">I was reading in my local newspaper this morning—which I know Ms. Ashton reads regularly—that because of the pandemic, we have a shortage of French immersion and francophone teachers and classes have been cancelled, and have not been able to start in some cases. </ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6329803">In western Canada, I hope some of our Conservative friends will speak with Premier Kenney, who is defunding Campus Saint-Jean, which is a very important institution for keeping the French language alive in that province. We have some big challenges ahead of us, particularly in western Canada where I come from, so again I appeal to Ms. Ashton particularly....</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6329804">May I say I am disappointed, like Marie-France Lalonde, that right at the get-go, the chair was challenged and our committee is likely going to be rife with dysfunction. It is a really unfortunate way to start when there are many good motions on the table from all sides of the House.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6329805">I urge my colleagues to let us work together and get something done for the official languages of this country.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <FloorLanguage language="FR">[<I>Translation</I>]</FloorLanguage>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10981527">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269207" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6329806">Thank you.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6329807">The next speakers are Ms. Lambropoulos, Mr. Arseneault, Ms. Lattanzio, Mrs. Lalonde and Mr. Dalton.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6329808">Ms. Lambropoulos, the floor is yours.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10981533">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264309" Type="47">Ms. Emmanuella Lambropoulos</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6329809">Mr. Généreux said that I know WE from experience and that WE representatives should have the opportunity to appear before the committee. </ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6329810">The motion before us isn't about this at all. There isn't any connection. I wouldn't mind inviting WE representatives as part of another study, but this isn't what we're voting on today.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6329811">Perhaps we should all reread the motion before we proceed with a vote, in order to make sure that we know what we're doing today. I just wanted to raise this issue, as I've done several times, and say once again that 948 francophone and anglophone teachers from 400 schools in Quebec have worked with WE Charity and UNIS.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6329812">When the Conservatives tabled their motion this summer, they ended up changing it after realizing that the motion wasn't fair at all and that it was almost a lie to say that only one community was affected, and not both.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Timestamp Hr="17" Mn="10">(1710)</Timestamp>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10981555">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269207" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6329813">Mr. Arseneault, the floor is yours.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10981557">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264305" Type="47">Mr. René Arseneault</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6329814"> Thank you, Mr. Chair.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6329815">My fellow members from all political backgrounds who make up this great and beautiful committee—I'm speaking to Mr. Beaulieu, Mr. Généreux and Mr. Blaney, my opposition colleagues from Quebec—there seems to be a serious decline in the French language in Quebec. Mr. Beaulieu placed great value on a very important motion on this topic, a motion that we asked to work on. Do we really want to hear the same old thing again with this motion? Is that what we want to accomplish? Is it that important? We aren't naive. No one here is naive. Is it responsible to sneak a motion through the back door when the motion hasn't been accepted in the House of Commons? Is this more important than talking about Campus Saint-Jean, which, as my colleagues said, is in danger in Alberta? We almost lost the Université de l'Ontario français in Toronto as a result of the provincial Conservatives' actions, and the Conservative Party in Ottawa remained silent about the matter. Let's all remember this.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6329816">Since I've been a member of the Standing Committee on Official Languages, it has always been 99% non-partisan. Does the motion on WE Charity, a hypothetical question from an organization that's no longer on the scene about whether it violated language rights in Canada, take precedence over everything that I just brought up, not to mention everything else?</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6329817">During the pandemic, we heard about the lack of information in both official languages on drugs, dosages, and instructions for devices or equipment that we received. Does the scandal surrounding WE Charity, which we've discussed in I don't know how many committees, overlap with all this? Is it really worth it? Is this motion worth more than Mr. Beaulieu's second motion, which I find very valuable because the motion is of national interest across the country and it specifically concerns the decline of French in Quebec, a Quebec that also has two official languages?</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6329818">Above all, I don't want to repeat what Ms. Lambropoulos said to my colleague, Mr. Généreux. However, for those who didn't fully understand Mr. Beaulieu's motion—and this brings me to my second point—it doesn't suggest that we address this issue in the Standing Committee on Official Languages. Rather, the motion is asking the House of Commons to agree to the creation of another committee, a third party committee that will review this matter.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6329819">This brings me to my question, which may be somewhat similar to my colleague Ms. Lattanzio's question. Does a standing committee such as ours have the authority, under the rules of the House of Commons, to ask the House of Commons to create another committee? That's my first question. Do we have the necessary power and jurisdiction to do this?</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Timestamp Hr="17" Mn="15">(1715)</Timestamp>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10981591">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269207" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6329820">Mr. Arseneault, please excuse me. I must stop you and speak to all committee members since it's already 5:15 p.m.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6329821">I want to know whether the committee has reached an agreement regarding the preparation of the next meeting. We must decide whether to address the motions in a subcommittee or whether we should all discuss the motions in the committee, as we're doing today as part of a meeting on committee business.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10981603">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264424" Type="47">Mr. Marc Dalton</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6329822">I have a point of order, Mr. Chair.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10981608">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269207" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6329823">Mr. Dalton, I'm getting there.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6329824">The third option is to say that two motions have already been adopted. The clerk needs time to arrange a meeting.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6329825">Mr. Dalton, go ahead with your point of order.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10981611">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264424" Type="47">Mr. Marc Dalton</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6329826">I want to move a motion to continue our meeting until 6:30 p.m. We've wasted a great deal of time. We have many very important motions to address. I agree with my colleagues on the other side, the Liberals, about the fact that there are several motions. I also agree with the WE motion. This motion is only one of several motions. We shouldn't take the next few weeks and months to debate the motion. We must continue our work.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10981627">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269207" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6329827">At the start of the meeting, I said that, depending on availability, we could stay later than the scheduled 5:30 p.m. adjournment time by up to 15 minutes. However, this proposal wasn't accepted. This motion requires the unanimous consent of the committee members. Mr. Williamson couldn't stay later than 5:30 p.m., given his responsibilities. At this time, a motion is under consideration.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10981630">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264424" Type="47">Mr. Marc Dalton</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6329828">I have a point of order.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10981632">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269207" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6329829">Yes, go ahead.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10981633">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264424" Type="47">Mr. Marc Dalton</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6329830">We can still change this, since we didn't vote to adjourn at 5:30 pm. We can vote to continue.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10981634">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269207" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6329831">I asked for unanimous consent. Mr. Dalton, the point is that we can't debate two motions at the same time. We're currently debating a motion, and we must finish considering the motion before we can move on to something else.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6329832">For now, I'll ask for the consent of all committee members to take the remaining 12 minutes to plan our next meeting. If they don't agree, we'll continue the debate on the motion before the committee.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6329833">Does anyone object to us taking the last 12 minutes to give the committee instructions regarding the business that it will address at the next meeting?</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6329834">I see hands raised, so there seem to be some objections. Could the members who object please let us know.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10981640">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264308" Type="47">Mrs. Marie-France Lalonde</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6329835">Excuse me, Mr. Chair. What are you asking us to agree or disagree with?</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10981641">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269207" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6329836">I'm asking the committee members whether they agree to spend the last 10 minutes preparing for the next meeting so that the clerk can make the necessary arrangements.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10981642">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264308" Type="47">Mrs. Marie-France Lalonde</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6329837">That's fine with me.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10981645">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269208" Type="40">Hon. Steven Blaney</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6329838">Mr. Chair, I want to speak in my capacity as vice-chair of the committee. Although I didn't support your decision, I still have confidence in you.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6329839">My suggestion to the committee members would be to hold a subcommittee meeting, since it may be easier to have four rather than 12 people debating. I think we agree that we should move forward. I heard Mr. Arseneault express considerable support for a motion by Mr. Beaulieu that hasn't been adopted yet.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6329840">With the agreement of the committee members, perhaps we could agree on an agenda for consideration in a subcommittee. If we want to debate motions for hours, we can do so. However, at least we'll have a road map and we can move forward. I'd even say that we could have a good time and make progress. I've heard about some important issues, including, of course, the decline of the French language. Some very worthwhile motions have been proposed. I think that the committee is looking forward to making progress.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6329841">That's why we wanted to meet as a subcommittee before this meeting, in order to come up with a report and recommendations. In the end, we couldn't do so because of Internet issues. However, if we need to take another week to do this, let's do it. In any event, we'll be working overtime, since we'll be meeting with the Commissioner of Official Languages during our break week.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6329842">This was my privilege as vice-chair. I'll give you back the floor, Mr. Chair.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Timestamp Hr="17" Mn="20">(1720)</Timestamp>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10981652">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269207" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6329843">Okay. I completely understand you, Mr. Vice-Chair.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6329844">I want to assure all committee members that, if a date is available for the subcommittee before the next meeting, we'll be the first to let you know, so that we can keep our usual meetings. However, if there isn't any date available, our next meeting will be the committee meeting.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6329845">Are there any more comments regarding this subcommittee proposal?</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6329846">Since we branched off for a bit, I'll ask Ms. Lattanzio, Mrs. Lalonde, Ms. Lambropoulos and Mr. Blaney, who had already raised their hands, to withdraw them. If you want to speak about this matter, please raise your hand now to take the floor.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6329847">Ms. Lattanzio, the floor is yours.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10981660">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264310" Type="47">Ms. Patricia Lattanzio</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6329848">Thank you, Mr. Chair.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6329849">I took note of Mr. Blaney's comments.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6329850">Mr. Blaney, I hope that you aren't bothered by the fact that we want to speak today. I know that you would prefer a subcommittee meeting. However, please know that I'm very interested in these motions. I look forward to debating these worthwhile motions, which have been introduced and which are still before us. I'm very eager to discuss them.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6329851">Mr. Chair, I asked Mr. Beaulieu to clarify which paragraphs of his motion he considers appropriate for this committee. He hasn't provided this clarification yet. I'd like you to ask him to provide this clarification so that I can make comments and recommendations.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10981672">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269207" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6329852">Ms. Lattanzio, we've digressed. We are discussing the next meeting, so that may be why Mr. Beaulieu hasn't been able to comment.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6329853">Now we'll hear from Mr. Beaulieu in connection with the next meeting.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6329854">You may go ahead, Mr. Beaulieu.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10981673">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269209" Type="40">Mr. Mario Beaulieu</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6329855">If I understand correctly, you'd like to take a moment to discuss the next meeting. Mr. Blaney suggested holding a subcommittee meeting. Has a meeting been scheduled for next Thursday?</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10981675">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269207" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6329856">I'll have to check with the clerk. I don't have the date yet. I am not sure whether the calendar has come out yet.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6329857">Madam Clerk, can you check for us?</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10981676">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="199167" Type="27">The Clerk</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6329858">Mr. Chair, the calendar for next week isn't out yet.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Debate" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10982846">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269207" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6329859">Thank you.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10981678">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269209" Type="40">Mr. Mario Beaulieu</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6329860">If there is a meeting next Thursday and no other time slots are available, we could also consider having the subcommittee meet first.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10981680">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269207" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6329861">Yes, it's still possible to have the subcommittee meet first. Immediately afterwards, the subcommittee would report to the committee, as appropriate. That's an option.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10981682">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269209" Type="40">Mr. Mario Beaulieu</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6329862">I thought of this but didn't mention it. Would it have been possible for the subcommittee to meet today at 3:30, or four o'clock, actually, because of the vote, and, then, for the committee to meet a bit later? That way, both meetings could have taken place and the groundwork could have been laid before the committee met. Would that have been a possibility?</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10981685">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269207" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6329863">No.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10981686">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264308" Type="47">Mrs. Marie-France Lalonde</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6329864">I have a point of order.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10981689">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269207" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6329865">In light of the circumstances surrounding the vote, we always have to check whether staff are available.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6329866">Mrs. Lalonde, you have a point of order. You may go ahead.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10981691">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264308" Type="47">Mrs. Marie-France Lalonde</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6329867"> Mr. Chair, I don't mean to contradict you or the clerk, but right now, according to next week's calendar—which is distributed to all the parliamentarians—the committee is supposed to meet on Thursday, November 5. The schedule I received indicates that our group would meet at 3:30 next Thursday. I think it went out to everyone, because I got it.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6329868">Again, Madam Clerk, I'm not trying to impose, but I just want to make sure that this was approved by the clerks and the whips' offices. That was my understanding as far as our schedule for next week goes.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6329869">That means we have a meeting next Thursday at 3:30, Mr. Beaulieu.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Timestamp Hr="17" Mn="25">(1725)</Timestamp>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10981697">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269207" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6329870">All right.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6329871"> Thank you.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10981699">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269209" Type="40">Mr. Mario Beaulieu</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6329872">I just received the same information.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10981700">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269207" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6329873">A lot of information is going around. I assume that, if we can meet during the break week, we'll be able to meet next week.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6329874">If, next Thursday, we don't have any dates for the subcommittee to meet, how do you wish to proceed? Should we allocate a half-hour or an hour for the subcommittee to meet and report to the committee, and then have the committee carry on with its meeting?</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6329875">Mr. Arseneault raised his hand, as did Ms. Lambropoulos.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6329876">Mr. Arseneault, you may go ahead.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10981707">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264305" Type="47">Mr. René Arseneault</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6329877">Sorry, Mr. Chair. I forgot to un-tick the option.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10981708">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269207" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6329878"> Ms. Lambropoulos, it's over to you.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6329879">After that, it will be Ms. Ashton's turn.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10981709">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264309" Type="47">Ms. Emmanuella Lambropoulos</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6329880">On this motion and all those the committee intends to examine, I think it's important for all members to be present. I have much to say on this motion and others and I'd like an opportunity to say it, so I disagree with referring this to the subcommittee.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6329881">My preference is to be part of the discussion, since I'm not on the subcommittee. I'm sure other members on this side have a lot to say as well. For that reason, I don't think it should go to the subcommittee for study. The discussion should continue at the committee level.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10981713">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269207" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6329882">For everyone's information, the clerk just confirmed that we will have a meeting on Thursday, November 5, at 3:30.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6329883">I would also like to clarify that the subcommittee does not decide on which studies the committee undertakes. It simply provides a means of working together to advance the discussion as quickly as possible. The committee is the one that makes the decisions on motions, determining whether to adopt them and move forward or not.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6329884">Ms. Ashton, you may go ahead.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10981714">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264480" Type="47">Ms. Niki Ashton</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6329885">Thank you, Mr. Chair.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6329886">I just wanted to say that I agree with what you said. I think it's a very efficient way to do things. I feel as though we've wasted a bit of time in the few meetings we've had. It is important to have discussions, yes, but subcommittees exist for a reason. Let's make use of the subcommittee so we can discuss the crux of the issues we all care about.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10981715">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269207" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6329887">Thank you, Ms. Ashton. </ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6329888">If no other dates are available for the subcommittee to meet before Thursday, I suggest that the subcommittee meet for the first hour of next Thursday's time slot and that the committee take the second hour.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6329889">We have time for one last comment, and it will be Mr. Beaulieu's.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6329890">Mr. Beaulieu, the floor is yours.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10981716">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269209" Type="40">Mr. Mario Beaulieu</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6329891">Mr. Chair, I agree with you.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Timestamp Hr="17" Mn="30">(1730)</Timestamp>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10981720">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269207" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6329892">Thank you.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6329893">Members of the committee, Madam Clerk, I acknowledge the will of the committee. Let me say once again that we will do our best to schedule a subcommittee meeting before Thursday, so keep an eye on your inbox.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6329894">If we can't find a time for the subcommittee to meet, next Thursday at 3:30, we will begin our study. The first hour or half-hour will be set aside for the subcommittee to meet; it will depend because we don't know whether any votes will be held. The subcommittee's job will be to review all of these motions and determine whether they will be put on notice. It can recommend that certain motions be combined and that others not be considered by the committee; it can also propose a work schedule so the committee can begin its studies as soon as possible.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6329895">I want to respect the committee members' will. I know everyone has other commitments; the room isn't available and neither is Mr. Williamson. We all have packed schedules.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6329896">I'd like to thank the members once again for today's meeting. I hope that, next time, we will be able to undertake our studies and turn our focus to an issue we all care about.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <FloorLanguage language="EN">[<I>English</I>]</FloorLanguage>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10981719">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264308" Type="47">Mrs. Marie-France Lalonde</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6329897"> Mr. Chair, can I just move that the debate be now adjourned, please?</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <FloorLanguage language="FR">[<I>Translation</I>]</FloorLanguage>
          <Intervention Type="Debate" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10981721">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269207" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6329898">Madam Clerk, the floor is yours.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6329899">I didn't catch who, but someone moved that the meeting be adjourned.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Debate" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10983080">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264308" Type="47">Mrs. Marie-France Lalonde</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6329900">That was me.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10981723">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="199167" Type="27">The Clerk</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6329901">Thank you, Mrs. Lalonde.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6329902">Is there unanimous consent, or would you prefer that a recorded division be held?</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6329903">There seems to be agreement from both the committee members here, in the room, and those participating via Zoom.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6329904">(Motion agreed to)</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6329905">All that's left to do is adjourn the meeting.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10981727">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269207" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6329906">I see no objections. The meeting is therefore adjourned.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6329907">Thank you everyone, and have a good evening. Thank you, as well, to the interpreters, the technical staff and everyone who helped make this meeting possible.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
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