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    <ExtractedItem Name="InstitutionDebate">Standing Committee on Fisheries and Oceans</ExtractedItem>
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          <Timestamp Hr="11" Mn="10">(1110)</Timestamp>
          <FloorLanguage language="EN">[<I>English</I>]</FloorLanguage>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10950759">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264113" Type="27">The Clerk of the Committee (Ms. Nancy Vohl)</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6297055"> Honourable members of the committee, I see a quorum.</ParaText>
              <FloorLanguage language="FR">[<I>Translation</I>]</FloorLanguage>
              <ParaText id="6297056">I must inform the members that the clerk of the committee can receive motions only for the election of the chair. She can't receive any other types of motions and she can't entertain points of order or participate in the debate.</ParaText>
              <FloorLanguage language="EN">[<I>English</I>]</FloorLanguage>
              <ParaText id="6297057">We can now proceed to the election of the chair.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6297058">Pursuant to Standing Order 106(2), the chair must be a member of the government party.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6297059">I am now ready to receive motions for the election of the chair.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10950771">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264243" Type="47">Mr. Ken Hardie (Fleetwood—Port Kells, Lib.)</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6297060"> Madam Clerk, I nominate Ken McDonald as chair of the fisheries and oceans committee. </ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="10950774">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264113" Type="27">The Clerk</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6297061">It has been moved by Mr. Hardie that Mr. McDonald be elected chair of the committee.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6297062">Are there any other motions?</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6297063">Seeing none, pursuant to the motion adopted by the House I will have to put the question and ask for a recorded vote, unless there is unanimous consent to the motion.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6297064">(Motion agreed to)</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6297065">
                <B>The Clerk:</B> There is unanimous consent. Mr. McDonald can take the chair.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="10950796">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269267" Type="35">The Chair (Mr. Ken McDonald (Avalon, Lib.))</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6297066"> Thank you, everyone. I wish every election could be as easy and be by unanimous consent. I'm sure some people probably voted for someone Liberal for the first time, but I do appreciate it being by unanimous consent of all parties. I look forward to everybody working together as we have in the past.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6297067"> I especially want to congratulate Mr. Bragdon on his new appointment on the Conservative side. I welcome from Cape Breton—Canso, Mr. Kelloway; and a new member to the committee, Mr. Mazier, from Dauphin—Swan River—Neepawa. You have big shoes to fill. The former member, Mr. Sopuck, added quite a bit of knowledge and participated a lot in this committee. He was sorely missed when he decided not to run again, but I'm sure you're up to the challenge. </ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6297068">I welcome Mr. d'Entremont, whose riding is West Nova. I'm sure the fishery is important to that area of his province, like it is to many of us in our provinces. Mr. d'Entremont, I'm sure we'll get alone fine. In school, my son had a teacher by the name of d'Entremont, and I hope our relationship is a lot better than he had with his teacher, because it wasn't a good one. I'm sure it will be much better than that. </ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6297069">Are there any nominations for first vice-chair?</ParaText>
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          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10950812">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264113" Type="27">The Clerk</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6297070">Mr. Chair, if I may intervene, I have a few specific words to say in order to be procedurally correct.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6297071"> I will proceed to the election of vice-chairs.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="10950813">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269267" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6297072"> Okay. Proceed when you're ready, Nancy.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <FloorLanguage language="FR">[<I>Translation</I>]</FloorLanguage>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10950814">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264113" Type="27">The Clerk</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6297073">Pursuant to Standing Order 106(2), the first vice-chair must be a member of the official opposition.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6297074">I'm now prepared to receive motions for the position of first vice-chair.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <FloorLanguage language="EN">[<I>English</I>]</FloorLanguage>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10950817">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264400" Type="47">Mr. Mel Arnold (North Okanagan—Shuswap, CPC)</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6297075">Madam Clerk, I would like to nominate MP Richard Bragdon as the first vice-chair of the committee.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10950818">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264113" Type="27">The Clerk</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6297076">It has been moved by Mr. Arnold that Mr. Bragdon be elected first vice-chair of the committee.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6297077">Are there any other motions for the position of first vice-chair of the committee?</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6297078">According to the motion adopted by the House, I will proceed with a recorded vote.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6297079">(Motion agreed to: yeas 10; nays 0 [<I>See Minutes of Proceedings</I>])</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Timestamp Hr="11" Mn="15">(1115)</Timestamp>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10950830">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264240" Type="47">Mr. Jaime Battiste (Sydney—Victoria, Lib.)</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6297080">Mr. Chair, I'd like to nominate Marilène Gill as the second vice-chair.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10950831">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264113" Type="27">The Clerk</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6297081">Pursuant to the Standing Orders, the second vice-chair of the committee must be a member of the opposition other than the official opposition.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6297082">Mr. Battiste moved that Ms. Gill be elected second vice-chair of the committee.</ParaText>
              <FloorLanguage language="FR">[<I>Translation</I>]</FloorLanguage>
              <ParaText id="6297083">Are there any further motions for the position of second vice-chair of the committee?</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6297084">Since there are no further motions, we'll proceed again to a recorded division, pursuant to the House Order of September 23.</ParaText>
              <FloorLanguage language="EN">[<I>English</I>]</FloorLanguage>
              <ParaText id="6297085">(Motion agreed to: yeas 10; nays 0 [<I>See Minutes of Proceedings</I>])</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <FloorLanguage language="FR">[<I>Translation</I>]</FloorLanguage>
          <Intervention Type="Debate" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10953005">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264113" Type="27">The Clerk</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6297086">I want to congratulate the chair and the vice-chairs on their election.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6297087">Mr. Chair, the floor is yours.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <FloorLanguage language="EN">[<I>English</I>]</FloorLanguage>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="10950857">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269267" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6297088"> Thank you, Nancy, and congratulations to the vice-chairs. </ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6297089">Now we're ready to see if there will be a motion for us to adopt the routine motions. </ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="10950860">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264245" Type="47">Mr. Robert Morrissey (Egmont, Lib.)</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6297090">Mr. Chair, I would move the adoption of the following routine motions. </ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6297091">First is analyst services:</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6297092">
                <Quote>
                  <QuotePara Align="Left" IndentFirst="2" IndentRest="2">That the committee retain, as needed and at the discretion of the Chair, the services of one or more analysts from the Library of Parliament to assist in its work.</QuotePara>
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              </ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Timestamp Hr="11" Mn="20">(1120)</Timestamp>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="10950866">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269267" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6297093">Nancy, do you do this as a recorded vote?</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10950867">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264113" Type="27">The Clerk</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6297094">I will specify with you and the committee how you can proceed. The motion adopted by the House on September 23 was that all votes should be taken by recorded vote, unless there is unanimous consent of the committee to agree or unless it is a vote on division.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6297095">I don't know if the committee today wants to proceed with a recorded vote for every single vote or if, Mr. Chair, you want to ask if we should proceed the other way.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="10950873">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269267" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6297096"> Do we want to proceed with unanimous consent or do you want a recorded vote?</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <FloorLanguage language="FR">[<I>Translation</I>]</FloorLanguage>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10950879">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269270" Type="47">Mrs. Marilène Gill (Manicouagan, BQ)</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6297097"> Mr. Chair, I'd like to proceed by recorded division, please.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <FloorLanguage language="EN">[<I>English</I>]</FloorLanguage>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10950880">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264113" Type="27">The Clerk</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6297098">The routine motion is that the committee retain the help of an analyst.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6297099">(Motion agreed to: yeas 10; nays 0 [<I>See Minutes of Proceedings</I>])</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10950900">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264245" Type="47">Mr. Robert Morrissey</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6297100">This is the second routine motion:</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6297101">
                <Quote>
                  <QuotePara Align="Left" IndentFirst="2" IndentRest="2">That the Subcommittee on Agenda and Procedure be established and be composed of five (5) members; the Chair, one member from each Party; and that the subcommittee work in the spirit of collaboration.</QuotePara>
                </Quote>
              </ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10950904">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264240" Type="47">Mr. Jaime Battiste</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6297102">Mr. Chair, I'd like to add an amendment to that.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6297103"> I believe that it's been duly agreed at other meetings that, “the witnesses be given five minutes for their opening statements, that, whenever possible, witnesses provide the committee with their opening statements 72 hours in advance, that, at the discretion of the chair during the questioning of witnesses, there be allocated six minutes for the first questioner of each party, as follows: round one: Conservative Party; Liberal Party; Bloc Québécois; New Democratic Party. For the second and subsequent rounds, the order and time for questioning to be as follows: Conservative Party, five minutes, Liberal Party, five minutes, Bloc Québécois, two and a half minutes and New Democratic Party, two and a half minutes; Conservative Party, five minutes and Liberal Party, five minutes.”</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6297104">That's the first amendment.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6297105">I will just go to the second amendment for other in camera meetings, “...that the committee may only meet in camera for the following purposes: a) to consider a draft report; (b) to attend briefings considering national security; (c) to consider lists of witnesses; (d) for any other reason with the unanimous consent of the committee. That all votes taken in camera, with the exception of votes regarding the consideration of draft reports be recorded in the minutes of proceedings, including how each member voted when recorded votes are requested; that any motion to sit in camera is debatable and amendable.”</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6297106">Thank you, Mr. Chair.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Timestamp Hr="11" Mn="25">(1125)</Timestamp>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10950914">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264245" Type="47">Mr. Robert Morrissey</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6297107">Mr. Chair, I have a point of order. I don't believe that's in relation to the motion that was just read. I believe that's down on number four, Jaime.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="10950922">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269267" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6297108"> That's exactly what I was going to raise, Mr. Morrissey. I don't think that it applies to the motion that you just read out.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10950926">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264240" Type="47">Mr. Jaime Battiste</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6297109">Then I have been briefed incorrectly and I apologize for jumping the gun. I hope that you will allow me to say that again at another time.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10950928">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264245" Type="47">Mr. Robert Morrissey</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6297110">Mr. Chair, do you want me to read it again, or is everybody clear? It's on the subcommittee on agenda and procedure. It's simply the makeup of the subcommittee.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="10950931">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269267" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6297111"> I will ask the clerk.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <FloorLanguage language="FR">[<I>Translation</I>]</FloorLanguage>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10950935">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269270" Type="47">Mrs. Marilène Gill</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6297112">I had a motion earlier that might fit in here.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6297113">May I move the motion?</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <FloorLanguage language="EN">[<I>English</I>]</FloorLanguage>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="10950940">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269267" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6297114">Madam Gill, is your motion an amendment to the original motion?</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <FloorLanguage language="FR">[<I>Translation</I>]</FloorLanguage>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10950942">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269270" Type="47">Mrs. Marilène Gill</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6297115">No.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6297116"> It's an error. That's fine, thank you.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <FloorLanguage language="EN">[<I>English</I>]</FloorLanguage>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="10950944">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264473" Type="47">Mr. Gord Johns (Courtenay—Alberni, NDP)</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6297117">On a point of order, Mr. Chair, could the motion that we are debating right now be read again?</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10950950">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264245" Type="47">Mr. Robert Morrissey</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6297118">It is the routine motion for the subcommittee on agenda and procedure:</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6297119">
                <Quote>
                  <QuotePara Align="Left" IndentFirst="2" IndentRest="2">That the Subcommittee on Agenda and Procedure be established and be composed of five (5) members; the Chair, one member from each Party; and that the subcommittee work in the spirit of collaboration.</QuotePara>
                </Quote>
              </ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="10950953">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269267" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6297120">Hearing nothing else on that particular one, we will go to a recorded vote, Nancy, when you're ready.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10950958">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264400" Type="47">Mr. Mel Arnold</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6297121">I have a point of order, Mr. Chair. Could we simply ask if there are any opposed to this and, if not, then it could be passed as unanimous without consuming so much time for recorded votes?</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="10950961">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269267" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6297122">That's agreed. Thanks for that, Mr. Arnold.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6297123">Is there any opposition to this motion?</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6297124">(Motion agreed to)</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10950965">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264245" Type="47">Mr. Robert Morrissey</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6297125"> Mr. Chair, the third routine motion is “Meeting Without a Quorum”:</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6297126">
                <Quote>
                  <QuotePara Align="Left" IndentFirst="2" IndentRest="2">That the Chair be authorized to hold meetings to receive evidence and to have that evidence printed when a quorum is not present, provided that at least four (4) members are present, including two members of the opposition and two members of the government, but when travelling outside the parliamentary precinct, that the meeting begin after fifteen (15) minutes, regardless of members present.</QuotePara>
                </Quote>
              </ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6297127">(Motion agreed to)</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10950977">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264245" Type="47">Mr. Robert Morrissey</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6297128">Mr. Chair, the fourth routine motion is “Time for Opening Remarks and Questioning of Witnesses”. I understand there may be an amendment to this.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6297129"> The motion is as follows: </ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6297130">
                <Quote>
                  <QuotePara Align="Left" IndentFirst="2" IndentRest="1">That the witnesses from any one organization be allowed up to six (6) minutes to make their opening statement; that, during the questioning of witnesses, at the discretion of the Chair, there be allocated six (6) minutes for the first questioner of each party as follows: Conservative Party, Liberal Party, Bloc Québécois, New Democratic Party; for the second round and subsequent rounds, the order and time for questioning be as follows: Conservative Party, five (5) minutes, Liberal Party, five (5) minutes, Conservative Party, five (5) minutes, Liberal Party, five (5) minutes, Bloc Québécois, two and a half (2.5) minutes, New Democratic Party, two and a half (2.5) minutes.</QuotePara>
                </Quote>
              </ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6297131">I understand there may be an amendment, Mr. Battiste.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Timestamp Hr="11" Mn="30">(1130)</Timestamp>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10950986">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269267" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6297132">I think we've heard it, but we probably have to hear it again now. Mr. Battiste, you'll have to go through that again.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10950988">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264240" Type="47">Mr. Jaime Battiste</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6297133">The amendment is as follows:</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6297134">
                <Quote>
                  <QuotePara Align="Left" IndentFirst="2" IndentRest="2">That witnesses be given five (5) minutes for their opening statements; that whenever possible, witnesses provide the committee with their opening statements 72 hours in advance; that, at the discretion of the chair, during the questioning of witnesses, there be allocated six (6) minutes for the first questioner of each party as follows: Round 1: Conservative Party; Liberal Party; Bloc Québécois; New Democratic Party. For the second and subsequent rounds, the order and time for questioning be as follows: Conservative Party, five (5) minutes; Liberal Party, five (5) minutes; Bloc Québécois, two and a half (2.5) minutes; New Democratic Party, two and a half (2.5) minutes; Conservative Party, five (5) minutes; Liberal Party, five (5) minutes. </QuotePara>
                </Quote>
              </ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10950996">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264113" Type="27">The Clerk</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6297135">Mr. Chair, if I can intervene, I would possibly suggest members keep in mind that when the text of a motion refers to 72 hours, maybe it would be a good idea to specify “72 hours whenever possible” because witnesses are not always invited more than 72 hours ahead of time. Also, sometimes it is not feasible for them to provide a full text to us within 72 hours. I want to let the chair know that it would probably be a good thing to keep in mind, however, that it is “whenever feasible and whenever possible”.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951001">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269267" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6297136">Mr. Battiste, as the mover, are you in agreement with that statement by the clerk?</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951002">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264240" Type="47">Mr. Jaime Battiste</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6297137">Yes, I think it's very reasonable.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6297138">(Amendment agreed to)</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6297139">(Motion as amended agreed to [<I>See Minutes of Proceedings</I>])</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951009">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264245" Type="47">Mr. Robert Morrissey</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6297140">Routine motion five is on “Document Distribution”:</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6297141">
                <Quote>
                  <QuotePara Align="Left" IndentFirst="2" IndentRest="2">That only the clerk of the committee be authorized to distribute documents to members of the Committee only when the documents are available in both official languages, and that witnesses be advised accordingly.</QuotePara>
                </Quote>
              </ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6297142">(Motion agreed to)</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951017">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264245" Type="47">Mr. Robert Morrissey</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6297143">On “Working Meals” the motion is:</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6297144">
                <Quote>
                  <QuotePara Align="Left" IndentFirst="2" IndentRest="2">That the clerk of the committee be authorized to make the necessary arrangements to provide working meals for the committee and its subcommittees.</QuotePara>
                </Quote>
              </ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6297145">(Motion agreed to)</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951023">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264245" Type="47">Mr. Robert Morrissey</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6297146">Mr. Chair, this is a routine motion on “Travel, Accommodation and Living Expenses of Witnesses”:</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6297147">
                <Quote>
                  <QuotePara Align="Left" IndentFirst="2" IndentRest="2">That, if requested, reasonable travel, accommodation and living expenses be reimbursed to witnesses not exceeding two...representatives per organization; provided that, in exceptional circumstances, payment for more representatives be made at the discretion of the Chair.</QuotePara>
                </Quote>
              </ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6297148">(Motion agreed to)</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951032">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264245" Type="47">Mr. Robert Morrissey</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6297149">Mr. Chair, this is a routine motion on “Access to In Camera Meetings”:</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6297150">
                <Quote>
                  <QuotePara Align="Left" IndentFirst="2" IndentRest="2">That, unless otherwise ordered, each committee member be allowed to have one staff member at an in camera meeting and that one additional person from each House officer's office be allowed to be present.</QuotePara>
                </Quote>
              </ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6297151">(Motion agreed to)</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Timestamp Hr="11" Mn="35">(1135)</Timestamp>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951038">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264245" Type="47">Mr. Robert Morrissey</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6297152">Mr. Chair, this is a routine motion on “Transcripts of In Camera Meetings”:</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6297153">
                <Quote>
                  <QuotePara Align="Left" IndentFirst="2" IndentRest="2">That one copy of the transcript of each in camera meeting be kept in the committee clerk’s office for consultation by members of the committee or by their staff.</QuotePara>
                </Quote>
              </ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6297154">(Motion agreed to)</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951046">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264245" Type="47">Mr. Robert Morrissey</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6297155">Mr. Chair, this is a routine motion on “Notice of Motion”:</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6297156">
                <Quote>
                  <QuotePara Align="Left" IndentFirst="2" IndentRest="2">That a forty-eight (48) hours notice, interpreted as a two (2) nights, shall be required for any substantive motion to be considered by the Committee, unless the substantive motion relates directly to business then under consideration, provided that (1) the notice be filed with the clerk of the committee no later than 4:00 p.m. from Monday to Friday; that (2) the motion be distributed to members in both official languages by the clerk on the same day the said notice was transmitted if it was received no later than the deadline hour; and that (3) notices received after the deadline hour or on non-business days be deemed to have been received during the next business day and that when the committee is travelling on official business, no substantive motions may be moved.</QuotePara>
                </Quote>
              </ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6297157">(Motion agreed to)</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951058">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264245" Type="47">Mr. Robert Morrissey</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6297158">Mr. Chair, this is a routine motion on “Orders of Reference from the House Respecting Bills”:</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6297159">
                <Quote>
                  <QuotePara Align="Left" IndentFirst="2" IndentRest="2">That, in relation to Orders of Reference from the House respecting Bills, (a) the clerk of the committee shall, upon the committee receiving such an Order of Reference, write to each member who is not a member of a caucus represented on the committee to invite those members to file with the clerk of the committee, in both official languages, any amendments to the Bill, which is the subject of the said Order, which they would suggest that the committee consider; (b) suggested amendments filed, pursuant to paragraph (a), at least 48 hours prior to the start of clause-by-clause consideration of the Bill to which the amendments relate shall be deemed to be proposed during the said consideration, provided that the committee may, by motion, vary this deadline in respect of a given Bill; and (c) during the clause-by-clause consideration of a Bill, the Chair shall allow a member who filed suggested amendments, pursuant to paragraph (a), an opportunity to make brief representations in support of them.</QuotePara>
                </Quote>
              </ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6297160">(Motion agreed to)</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="10951694">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269303" Type="47">Mr. Richard Bragdon (Tobique—Mactaquac, CPC)</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6297161">Mr. Chair, I'm wondering if we can move into committee business at this point for the purpose of tabling some motions. I have some motions we'd like to submit at this time.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951081">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264240" Type="47">Mr. Jaime Battiste</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6297162">Mr. Chair, I had my hand up in hopes of also raising a motion that—</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951092">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269267" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6297163">There's one routine motion left to go. Then I have a couple of people who've raised their hand, after which I will get to Mr. Bragdon.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951099">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264245" Type="47">Mr. Robert Morrissey</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6297164">The last routine motion is with regard to “Other—In Camera Meetings”: “That the committee may meet in camera only for the following purposes: (a) to consider a draft report; (b) to attend briefings concerning national security; (c) to consider lists of witnesses; (d) for any other reason with the unanimous consent of the committee, that all votes taken in camera, with the exception of votes regarding the consideration of draft reports, be recorded in the Minutes of Proceedings, including how each member voted when recorded votes are requested; that any motion to sit in camera is debatable and amendable.”</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Timestamp Hr="11" Mn="40">(1140)</Timestamp>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951107">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264113" Type="27">The Clerk</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6297165">Perhaps I can ask Mr. Morrissey to repeat the text of the motion. I believe it's different from the text of the motion the committee voted to adopt in the previous session, in 43-1. I just want to make sure the members and I have the correct and final text of what you just said.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6297166">Would it be possible to repeat it?</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951113">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264245" Type="47">Mr. Robert Morrissey</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6297167">This text has been advised by PROC: “That the committee may meet in camera only for the following purposes: (a) to consider a draft report; (b) to attend briefings concerning national security; (c) to consider lists of witnesses; (d) for any other reason with the unanimous consent of the committee, that all votes taken in camera, with the exception of votes regarding the consideration of draft reports, be recorded in the Minutes of Proceedings, including how each member voted when recorded votes are requested; that any motion to sit in camera is debatable and amendable.”</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951120">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264240" Type="47">Mr. Jaime Battiste</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6297168">I believe I have an amendment here: “That the committee may meet in camera only for the following purposes: (a) to consider a draft report; (b) to attend briefings concerning national security; (c) to consider lists of witnesses; (d) for any other reason with the unanimous consent of the committee, that all votes taken in camera, with the exception of votes regarding the consideration of draft reports, be recorded in the Minutes of Proceedings, including how each member voted when recorded votes are requested; that any motion to sit in camera is debatable and amendable.”</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951127">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269267" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6297169">I believe that is exactly what Mr. Morrissey read out.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6297170">Hearing no other interventions, can we say that this one was adopted unanimously as well? Okay.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6297171">(Motion agreed to)</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951131">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269267" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6297172">Thank you again, Mr. Morrissey.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951134">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264240" Type="47">Mr. Jaime Battiste</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6297173">Mr. Chair, I'd like to table a motion that concerns an issue of great urgency, if I can be permitted to do so.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <FloorLanguage language="FR">[<I>Translation</I>]</FloorLanguage>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951140">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269270" Type="47">Mrs. Marilène Gill</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6297174"> I still have routine motions to move.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6297175">I want to make two comments.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6297176">First, I would have liked to move motions that build upon the routine motions that we voted on.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6297177">Second, there's a delay in the interpretation, which is completely normal. However, we often proceed to a vote by unanimous consent before I've heard the entire discussion. I'm the only member in this situation. Perhaps the interpreters could have a little rest if we were to change the pace.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6297178">I'm feeling a bit rushed, even though I'm in agreement, as you've noticed. There was no issue this time, except with regard to an amendment to the routine motions that I was unable to move. I'll drop it, but I'd like us to change the pace, please.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <FloorLanguage language="EN">[<I>English</I>]</FloorLanguage>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="10951144">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269267" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6297179"> That's not a problem.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <FloorLanguage language="FR">[<I>Translation</I>]</FloorLanguage>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951145">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269270" Type="47">Mrs. Marilène Gill</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6297180"> May I move a motion?</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <FloorLanguage language="EN">[<I>English</I>]</FloorLanguage>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="10951146">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269267" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6297181">Yes.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <FloorLanguage language="FR">[<I>Translation</I>]</FloorLanguage>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951147">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269270" Type="47">Mrs. Marilène Gill</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6297182">The motion reads as follows:<Quote><QuotePara Align="Left" IndentFirst="2" IndentRest="2">That in order to ensure informed decision-making when members of the Standing Committee on Fisheries and Oceans vote on a motion that permits the usage of the powers conferred on the Committee by Standing Order 108(2), each member of the Committee shall be provided with a written version in both official languages of a motion to study before a vote is held on its adoption.</QuotePara></Quote></ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <FloorLanguage language="EN">[<I>English</I>]</FloorLanguage>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="10951150">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269267" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6297183">We've heard the motion from Madame Gill.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6297184">Is there any discussion?</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6297185">Mr. Arnold.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Timestamp Hr="11" Mn="45">(1145)</Timestamp>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951152">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264400" Type="47">Mr. Mel Arnold</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6297186">Mr. Chair, could we have it read one more time?</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <FloorLanguage language="FR">[<I>Translation</I>]</FloorLanguage>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951156">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269270" Type="47">Mrs. Marilène Gill</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6297187">Yes, of course. The motion reads as follows:</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6297188">
                <Quote>
                  <QuotePara Align="Left" IndentFirst="2" IndentRest="2">That in order to ensure informed decision-making when members of the Standing Committee on Fisheries and Oceans vote on a motion that permits the usage of the powers conferred on the Committee by Standing Order 108(2), each member of the Committee shall be provided with a written version in both official languages of a motion to study before a vote is held on its adoption.</QuotePara>
                </Quote>
              </ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <FloorLanguage language="EN">[<I>English</I>]</FloorLanguage>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="10951161">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269267" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6297189">Is there any discussion?</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6297190">Hearing none, can we move forward with the motion by unanimous consent of the committee?</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6297191"> (Motion agreed to)</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6297192">
                <B>The Chair:</B> Madame Gill, I think you have another one.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <FloorLanguage language="FR">[<I>Translation</I>]</FloorLanguage>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951163">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269270" Type="47">Mrs. Marilène Gill</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6297193">Yes, I have another motion. It reads as follows:</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6297194">
                <Quote>
                  <QuotePara Align="Left" IndentFirst="2" IndentRest="2">That all meetings that are not required to be held in camera or that take place within the parliamentary precinct will be televised or webcast, subject to room allocations and availability of Multimedia Services.</QuotePara>
                </Quote>
              </ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <FloorLanguage language="EN">[<I>English</I>]</FloorLanguage>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="10951164">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269267" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6297195">We've all heard the text of the motion. Is there any discussion on it?</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6297196">Hearing none, can we move forward with adopting it by unanimous consent?</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6297197">(Motion agreed to)</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6297198">
                <B>The Chair:</B> Thank you, Madame Gill.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951168">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264240" Type="47">Mr. Jaime Battiste</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6297199"> Mr. Chair, I have a point of order.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6297200">I know I am jumping in, but there's something very significant going on that is of great urgency in Nova Scotia. This morning I woke to disturbing videos, first-hand accounts of videos of violence escalating between fishing groups. I saw vehicles set on fire, lobsters purposely poisoned and RCMP unable to contain an escalating mob mentality that's breaking out in our area. </ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6297201">It's shocking in Canada to see this. I find myself struggling as a parliamentarian, a Nova Scotian and a member of the surrounding communities to reckon with the violence and, frankly, the hatred that has bubbled to the surface in this dispute that's going on. </ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6297202">Not long ago I took a trip down to Saulnierville because I wanted to hear from some of the constituents of Sydney—Victoria who had gone down to show solidarity in some of the protests. I saw the divisions between the Mi’kmaq and the Acadians, historic allies who had been working together for more than 400 years. </ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6297203">Once I heard an amazing story from Lieutenant Governor Arthur LeBlanc, an Acadian, who talked about how his family was saved by the Mi’kmaq. It makes these acts of violence so disheartening, the way they stand in such contrast to the partnerships the communities in Nova Scotia have forged over the centuries. </ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6297204">Make no mistake, what we're seeing in Pubnico today is far beyond a fisheries issue. I know this. It has become a nexus for a multitude of deep-seated issues facing this country like systemic racism, the role of law enforcement, our sense of shared history and the mutual obligations of treaty rights between the Crown and indigenous partners.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6297205"> These are profound issues; they're complex. Many are beyond the scope of this committee, but at the centre of this crisis is the Mi’kmaq constitutionally protected treaty rights in the pursuit of fisheries, moderate livelihood fisheries, that was not only once approved by the Supreme Court of Canada, but twice.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6297206">Many of the negotiations over institutionalizing these treaties have been carried out by the Department of Fisheries and fall under the purview of this committee. While this is only a small part of the crisis, I believe this committee, by examining the implementation of the Mi’kmaq constitutionally protected treaty rights to fish in pursuit of a moderate livelihood and evaluating the current rights and reconciliation agreement process, can play a proactive role in this ongoing situation and inform standards and practices that could prevent such a crisis from happening again.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6297207">As such, and recognizing the multitude of issues facing the committee and the demands on its time, I would like to bring forward the following motion: “That the Standing Committee of Fisheries and Oceans undertake a study to examine the implementation of the Mi’kmaq constitutionally protected treaty rights to fish in pursuit of a moderate livelihood. In order to evaluate the current rights and reconciliation agreement process and identify issues that need to be addressed and the recommended path forward, the committee call witnesses including senior officials from the Department of Fisheries and Oceans Canada, first nations, Mi’kmaq, scientists, as well as fisheries associations and interested stakeholder groups to testify before the committee; that the chair be empowered to coordinate the necessary witnesses, resources and scheduling to complete this task; and that the committee report its conclusions and recommendations to the House of Commons.”</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6297208">Thank you, Mr. Chair.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Timestamp Hr="11" Mn="50">(1150)</Timestamp>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="10951182">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269267" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6297209"> Thank you, Mr. Battiste.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6297210">Mr. d'Entremont, go ahead.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951185">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="266579" Type="2">Mr. Chris d'Entremont (West Nova, CPC)</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6297211">Thank you very much, Mr. Chair.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6297212">I want to thank Mr. Battiste for bringing this forward.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6297213">I don't know if many of you would know about the incident in Pubnico this morning. Late last night it happened about seven houses from where I grew up, and to think that this kind of incident would happen is reprehensible to me. I don't know what to call it. I don't think it's hatred, but it is a mistrust of everyone.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="10951194">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269267" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6297214"> Thank you, Mr. d'Entremont.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Debate" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951760">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="266579" Type="2">Mr. Chris d'Entremont</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6297215">Oh, I'm not done.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <FloorLanguage language="FR">[<I>Translation</I>]</FloorLanguage>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951196">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269270" Type="47">Mrs. Marilène Gill</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6297216">Are we having the debate now?</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <FloorLanguage language="EN">[<I>English</I>]</FloorLanguage>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="10951198">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269267" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6297217"> It is debate on this motion, yes.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951200">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264113" Type="27">The Clerk</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6297218">Mr. Chair, if we were side by side, this is when I would talk to you in your ear, but obviously we're not side by side.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6297219">Ms. Gill just moved a motion, and it was adopted that, in order for debates on a motion, the motion would have to be received in the two languages or at least have been explained well enough by interpretation, who I believe also do not have the text. </ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6297220">Would it be possible for Mr. Battiste to either repeat very slowly the text of his motion or send it to us so interpretation can provide it at a pace that Ms. Gill and other members and staff can write down and follow? </ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6297221">The motion by Madam Gill was just adopted, so now it is one of the routine motions of the committee.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951205">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264240" Type="47">Mr. Jaime Battiste</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6297222"> Yes, I can send that as well as read it, if need be.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6297223"> I really would like to hear the words of MP d'Entremont on this as well. </ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <FloorLanguage language="FR">[<I>Translation</I>]</FloorLanguage>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951207">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269270" Type="47">Mrs. Marilène Gill</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6297224">The motion adopted called for a written version of the motion. It isn't the oral version.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6297225">Can the French version be provided, please?</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6297226">Of course, I'll do the same thing when I move my motions.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <FloorLanguage language="EN">[<I>English</I>]</FloorLanguage>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951214">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264400" Type="47">Mr. Mel Arnold</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6297227">I have a point of order, Mr. Chair. </ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6297228">As I heard the motion, I believe I heard the words that it “should” be provided in both official languages” not “must” be provided in both official languages. Those would mean two different things in legal proceedings. “Should” is not making it mandatory. If that's the wording of the motion it would not be necessary. </ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="10951215">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269267" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6297229">Right.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6297230">Anybody else?</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <FloorLanguage language="FR">[<I>Translation</I>]</FloorLanguage>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951217">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269270" Type="47">Mrs. Marilène Gill</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6297231">I don't understand my colleague's comment.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6297232">Are we discussing the motion that was moved, which does not include any conditionals? The word “should” does not appear in either the English or French version. I want to know what will happen in this respect.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <FloorLanguage language="EN">[<I>English</I>]</FloorLanguage>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="10951220">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269267" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6297233">I have a copy of your motion, Madame Gill, and there is no “should” or “must” in it. It says “that each member of the committee shall be provided with a written version in both official languages of a motion to study before a vote is held on its adoption.”</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6297234">It may have been interpreted differently from French to English when it was being read out, but Madame Gill did provide the actual text of the motion, so it “shall” be provided in both official languages before a vote can be held on it.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6297235">We've heard the motion but Mr. Battiste, please make sure it is provided to the committee in both official languages before it is voted on.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Timestamp Hr="11" Mn="55">(1155)</Timestamp>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951231">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264240" Type="47">Mr. Jaime Battiste</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6297236">Absolutely.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951232">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="266579" Type="2">Mr. Chris d'Entremont</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6297237">It's such an important issue right now. Things are blowing up. People are going to get hurt. I am only a temporary member of this committee. It would be nice to be able to speak to it but knowing that's now the motion, unfortunately that puts the kibosh on this. It's unfortunate we can't talk about something so important.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="10951234">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269267" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6297238">That motion was adopted by the committee, unfortunately, on unanimous consent. </ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6297239">Mr. Johns.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951235">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264473" Type="47">Mr. Gord Johns</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6297240">Thank you, Mr. Chair. </ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6297241">Would it be possible, in light of the urgency of the situation—we also think it needs to be addressed very quickly by this committee—to push for an emergency meeting of the committee so we can get this motion back on the table and talk about it? Mr. Battiste needs to give notice to all the committee members so we can get this motion on the table to talk about it.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6297242">We also want to make amendments to the motion because we certainly think this is a high priority for us. The Nuu-chah-nulth situation is absolutely connected to what's going on with Marshall. We think indigenous fishing rights should be broadened, so we want to have a conversation on this. </ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="10951240">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269267" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6297243">Mr. Johns, I appreciate your intervention but as was voted on just a few minutes ago, we cannot discuss or vote on a motion that's not presented in both official languages. Everybody on the committee passed it with unanimous consent. Unfortunately, that's where it stands, so we have to wait to get it in that form.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6297244">I agree, this should be dealt with as soon as possible and we'll take every opportunity to try to make sure that happens.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6297245">Mr. Morrissey.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951245">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264245" Type="47">Mr. Robert Morrissey</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6297246">Mr. Chair, possibly as a point of order, could we ask for unanimous consent to have Mr. Battiste read it slowly for the interpretation, and then be able to move beyond this point because of its urgency? If the committee gives unanimous consent it can overrule earlier decisions.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="10951248">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269267" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6297247"> Do we have unanimous consent for Mr. Battiste to read these motions slowly, so that interpretation can follow along, and everybody can listen in their language of choice?</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <FloorLanguage language="FR">[<I>Translation</I>]</FloorLanguage>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951250">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269270" Type="47">Mrs. Marilène Gill</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6297248">Personally, I'm opposed, because the motion has already been adopted.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6297249">The debate on the motion raised some issues. If we don't fully understand the text being read, we'll make mistakes. For example, the use of “must” or “should” has been an issue in the past. In order to debate and vote on the motion in an informed manner, we need the text in both official languages.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <FloorLanguage language="EN">[<I>English</I>]</FloorLanguage>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="10951260">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269267" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6297250"> Mr. Morrissey, we don't have unanimous consent.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6297251">Madam Clerk.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Debate" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951261">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264113" Type="27">The Clerk</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6297252">May I suggest you contact me? Considering the distance, it's hard for me to be in touch with you, but would it be possible to suspend, and discuss with me, so I can provide you with some advice?</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Debate" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951648">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269267" Type="47">Mr. Ken McDonald</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6297253"> I'll suspend for a couple moments to hear from the clerk.</ParaText>
              <Pause>
                <StartPause>
                  <Timestamp Hr="11" Mn="55">(1155)</Timestamp>
                </StartPause>
                <EndPause>
                  <Timestamp Hr="12" Mn="05">(1205)</Timestamp>
                </EndPause>
              </Pause>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="10951338">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269267" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6297254"> We're back.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6297255">Madam Gill, could I make a suggestion? </ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6297256">I know that anybody who had motions to introduce today had no way of knowing that this motion would be introduced by you and pass unanimously. I have been told that the interpreters now have a copy of the motion of Mr. Battiste in its translated form. Would it be okay with you to ask the interpreters to read out the motion in French right now, so that it would be on the record and we could then move on to that? We have had several members talk about the importance of getting this started and on the record as soon as possible. They want to speak to it. </ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6297257">Doing this today in no way means that this is what we will do every time. I won't ask again for permission to do this. Everybody can give their notice of motion and put their motion on the record, but it cannot be voted on unless it has been received in both official languages going forward. I'm asking for permission to do this one simply because I see such interventions that will be taking place...and getting this dealt with and on the record as soon as possible.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6297258">Would that be okay? </ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <FloorLanguage language="FR">[<I>Translation</I>]</FloorLanguage>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951354">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269270" Type="47">Mrs. Marilène Gill</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6297259">No, because it's tantamount to asking for unanimous consent regarding Mr. Morrissey's proposal, which I took issue with. Of course, we're being told that the situation is urgent. However, a prorogation prevented us from continuing with the committee meetings.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6297260">Personally, in order to debate and vote on the motion in an informed manner, I need both the English and French versions. It's unfortunate, but I must keep to this.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6297261">There are rules. If we break them, I believe that it shows a lack of rigour and credibility. Since there are two official languages in Canada, I want both versions. It's necessary.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6297262">I want to thank you, Mr. Chair, and all the members, for your understanding. I also want to thank the interpreters.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <FloorLanguage language="EN">[<I>English</I>]</FloorLanguage>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951356">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269267" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6297263">No problem. </ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6297264">Hearing no unanimous consent, I will let members know that they can introduce any motions today, of course, but if they are not in both official languages, we will not be able to vote on them until they are provided in that form.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6297265">I understand fully, Madam Gill. I was in no way trying to take away the privileges expected—</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Timestamp Hr="12" Mn="10">(1210)</Timestamp>
          <FloorLanguage language="FR">[<I>Translation</I>]</FloorLanguage>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951360">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269270" Type="47">Mrs. Marilène Gill</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6297266">I completely understand.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <FloorLanguage language="EN">[<I>English</I>]</FloorLanguage>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951362">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269267" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6297267"> Okay. You understand.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6297268">Mr. Johns, if it's on the same motion, we can't talk about it.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951365">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264473" Type="47">Mr. Gord Johns</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6297269">Mr. Chair, perhaps you can explain this procedurally. If we want to call for an emergency meeting of the fisheries and oceans committee to discuss this motion, so that Ms. Gill and the whole committee will have the motion in both official languages, what would that require right now?</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951366">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269267" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6297270">Well, it would probably require a motion and the consent of the clerk to then be able to do that. I would like to get to other motions first that people have indicated and put up their hands to bring forward. </ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6297271">We'll now consider that Mr. Battiste has given notice of motion. </ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6297272">Next on the list is Mr. Hardie.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951367">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264243" Type="47">Mr. Ken Hardie</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6297273">Thank you, Mr. Chair.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6297274">I would like to give notice of the following motion: “That, pursuant to Standing Order 108(2) and given the decline in Pacific salmon stocks and the ongoing situation with Big Bar Landslide, the committee undertake a study on the state of Pacific salmon and make recommendations on next steps to ensure for the long-term health of these stocks, as well as the commercial, indigenous and recreational fisheries that depend on them; that this study consist of at least six meetings, with two of those meetings focused on the Big Bar slide, that the committee call witness including senior departmental officials, First Nations, and relevant stakeholder groups to testify before committee; that the committee report to the House; that the committee reintroduce all testimony and submissions on this subject from the First Session of the 43rd Parliament to be included and used for considering and drafting a report, and that all previous committee meetings on this subject be considered as meetings as a part of this study as outlined in this motion.”</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="10951371">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269267" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6297275"> Thank you for that, Mr. Hardie.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6297276">Before I go to Mr. Bragdon, I notice that our friend, Mr. Kelloway, has left us. He's bought in another backup for <Affiliation DbId="252487" Type="2">Mr. Cormier</Affiliation>. Mr. Simms, the member for Coast of Bays—Central—Notre Dame is no stranger to this committee. When I first started this, he was the chair. He's off to a different committee now, but he takes great interest in the fishery since he represents such a fishing area in this province. </ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6297277">Welcome, Mr. Simms, it's nice to see you.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6297278">Mr. Bragdon.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951379">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269303" Type="47">Mr. Richard Bragdon</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6297279">Thank you, Mr. Chair.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6297280">In regard to Mr. Hardie's motion—I take it that's the motion we're considering at this point—this may be incorporated into it. It could be considered a friendly amendment. I just want to put this on the table for consideration.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="10951383">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269267" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6297281">Mr. Bragdon, we can't actually discuss the motion. </ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6297282">It's a notice of motion. It's not up for debate. It's not up for any discussion whatsoever because it hasn't been provided in both official languages.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951386">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269303" Type="47">Mr. Richard Bragdon</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6297283">Okay.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6297284">I do have motions prepared in both official languages. We can submit those. They can be given to the clerk as we speak. </ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6297285">If it's okay to proceed with that, I'll begin with the first motion. </ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="10951387">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269267" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6297286"> Indeed you are, sir. </ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6297287">Go ahead.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951388">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269303" Type="47">Mr. Richard Bragdon</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6297288">Thank you, Mr. Chair.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6297289">Motion number one is “that the committee request that the <Affiliation DbId="253373" Type="4">Minister of Fisheries and Oceans and the Canadian Coast Guard </Affiliation>appear before the committee for at least two hours to provide an update on the 2020–21 Main Estimates, 2020-21 Supplementary Estimates (A); and that in the invitation to the Minister, the Chair impart the urgency of the ongoing situation and request that the Minister appear before November 24, 2020.”</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951391">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264113" Type="27">The Clerk</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6297290">Mr. Chair, can you ask Mr. Bragdon if that was a notice of motion or if he intends to move it now? If so, could I get the text, so it can be distributed to all members in the two official languages?</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951396">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269303" Type="47">Mr. Richard Bragdon</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6297291">Absolutely. </ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6297292">Mr. Chair, through you, I believe the text should be sent to you right away, Madam Clerk.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6297293"> I'll submit it as a motion for now.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Timestamp Hr="12" Mn="15">(1215)</Timestamp>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="10951400">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269267" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6297294"> All right.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6297295">Nancy, do I wait to receive that and make sure everybody got it first?</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951401">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264113" Type="27">The Clerk</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6297296">Yes, I'll send that as we speak. </ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951403">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269303" Type="47">Mr. Richard Bragdon</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6297297">Mr. Chair, do we want to consider one motion at a time or do I submit the other motions?</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="10951404">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269267" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6297298"> It's much easier to do them one at a time.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951405">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269303" Type="47">Mr. Richard Bragdon</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6297299">I agree. </ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6297300">Thank you, Mr. Chair.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951413">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264113" Type="27">The Clerk</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6297301">Mr. Chair, I just sent the text of the motion from Mr. Bragdon to all the P9s, and now I can send it also to the staff. It is in the two languages.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="10951416">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269267" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6297302"> I believe Madam Gill nodded and acknowledged that she has received it.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <FloorLanguage language="FR">[<I>Translation</I>]</FloorLanguage>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951417">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269270" Type="47">Mrs. Marilène Gill</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6297303">Yes, I received it.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <FloorLanguage language="EN">[<I>English</I>]</FloorLanguage>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="10951419">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269267" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6297304"> Is there any debate on that motion? </ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6297305">Hearing none, I'll ask for a vote.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6297306">(Motion agreed to: yeas 11; nays 0)</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Timestamp Hr="12" Mn="20">(1220)</Timestamp>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="10951441">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264241" Type="47">Mr. Terry Beech (Burnaby North—Seymour, Lib.)</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6297307">I have a point of order, Mr. Chair.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6297308">It's just a point of clarification. Let's assume that there was an amendment raised for the previous motion. Given the new context of the translation and the written text, could you or the clerk advise how we would proceed in that situation?</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="10951443">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269267" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6297309">Go ahead, Nancy.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951444">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264113" Type="27">The Clerk</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6297310">I will ask Ms. Gill whether I'm correct, but my understanding is that her motion is in relation to all studies pursuant to Standing Order 108(2).</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6297311">Concerning the opinion of Ms. Gill, I would want to make sure that she clarifies whether this is also relevant to any amendment, because any amendment can for sure always be suggested without any notice.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="10951449">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269267" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6297312">I don't think the motion included amendments. Nobody knows what motion is coming forward, so how could you have one provided in both official languages at the time the motion is read?</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6297313">Madam Gill—you can correct me if I'm wrong—would we deal with the amendments to the original motion in our usual fashion?</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6297314">I'm seeing a nod from Madam Gill, so I hope that answers your question, Mr. Beech.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <FloorLanguage language="FR">[<I>Translation</I>]</FloorLanguage>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951451">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269270" Type="47">Mrs. Marilène Gill</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6297315">I suppose that we still need the final text before we can vote on it. This was stated in the motion that I moved.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6297316">Before we vote, we need the final text in the official languages. Of course, we can't always anticipate the amendments and the tabling of motions.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <FloorLanguage language="EN">[<I>English</I>]</FloorLanguage>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="10951453">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269267" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6297317">Thank you again.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6297318">We go back to you, Mr. Bragdon.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6297319">Did I give out the vote? It passed.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951455">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264113" Type="27">The Clerk</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6297320">Again, Mr. Chair, as I said before, if we were in a physical setting, I would talk to you on the side. Because it's difficult now, I would ask whether you would want to have any suggestions from me now or later.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="10951456">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269267" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6297321"> The motion by Mr. Bragdon, which was provided in both official languages, has been voted on and passed unanimously. Mr. Beech raised the issue that an amendment can be introduced any time because nobody knows if they're going to make an amendment until they hear the motion. Hopefully, the interpreters will be able to interpret any amendment as it's being read out.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6297322">Mr. Bragdon.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951469">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269303" Type="47">Mr. Richard Bragdon</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6297323"> Mr. Chair, I have one more motion I can table as well: “That the following reports of this committee in the first session of the 42nd Parliament be adopted as reports in this session: report 23, 'Striped Bass in the Southern Gulf of St. Lawrence and Miramichi River: Striking a Delicate Balance'; report 25, 'Aquatic Invasive Species: A National Priority'; report 26, 'In Hot Water: Lobster and Snow Crab in Eastern Canada'; and that the chair present the reports to the House.”</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6297324">I so move. It will be provided in both official languages and should be on its way to the clerk.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Timestamp Hr="12" Mn="25">(1225)</Timestamp>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951484">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264113" Type="27">The Clerk</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6297325">The motion was sent, Mr. Chair, to all the P9s.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="10951485">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269267" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6297326"> Everybody has received it. It's open for discussion.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6297327"> Hearing none, can I ask if it is going to be adopted, Nancy?</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951487">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264113" Type="27">The Clerk</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6297328">Yes. I just want to point out that you may remember that the committee already readopted these motions from 42-1 into 43-1. The reports were not presented to the House because of the situation with COVID. If you recall, we suggested that first with Standing Order 108(2) there is a provision for a dissenting opinion. Any member of the new parties or new membership can actually add a dissenting opinion. Pursuant to the standing order, the committee would have to agree on a specific date to permit dissenting opinions, if any, to the reports.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6297329">It could be done as part of the motion or as an appended motion next to this one.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Timestamp Hr="12" Mn="30">(1230)</Timestamp>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="10951503">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269267" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6297330"> Does everybody understand what the clerk has given us?</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <FloorLanguage language="FR">[<I>Translation</I>]</FloorLanguage>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951506">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269270" Type="47">Mrs. Marilène Gill</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6297331">Madam Clerk, could this be moved to Friday, since we would like to include a dissenting opinion?</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <FloorLanguage language="EN">[<I>English</I>]</FloorLanguage>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951508">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264113" Type="27">The Clerk</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6297332">Can you repeat the date, Madam Gill?</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <FloorLanguage language="FR">[<I>Translation</I>]</FloorLanguage>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951510">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269270" Type="47">Mrs. Marilène Gill</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6297333">Could you move this to Friday? Everything would be sent to you within 24 hours.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <FloorLanguage language="EN">[<I>English</I>]</FloorLanguage>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951511">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264113" Type="27">The Clerk</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6297334">Mr. Chair, you may want to ask the mover if he agrees with that.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="10951515">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269267" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6297335"> Mr. Bragdon, are you okay with 24 hours or with Friday as a deadline for dissenting reports?</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="10951771">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269267" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6297336">Mr. d'Entremont, you are next on my list.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="10951536">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269267" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6297337">Mr. Simms.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951538">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="252469" Type="2">Mr. Scott Simms (Coast of Bays—Central—Notre Dame, Lib.)</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6297338">Thank you, Chair. I appreciate it</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6297339">It's good to see everybody: some old faces; some new faces. I want to say hello to the table staff: Nancy and Daniele, and Thai, of course.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6297340">This is something near and dear to members' hearts—<Affiliation DbId="252487" Type="2">Serge Cormier</Affiliation>. I just wanted to move this motion. I'm assuming I can proceed with that, Mr. Chair.</ParaText>
              <Timestamp Hr="12" Mn="35">(1235)</Timestamp>
              <ParaText id="6297341">I would like to read this in: “That the committee undertake a study to examine the fishery management measures put in place to protect North Atlantic right whales, in order to evaluate the impact these measures have had on the reduction of right whale deaths in Atlantic Canada and Quebec as well as the impact on the economy of coastal communities in these regions and to provide the government with options and recommendations to improve these measures; that the committee call witnesses including senior officials from the Department of Fisheries and Oceans Canada and interested stakeholder groups to testify before the committee; that the Chair be empowered to coordinate the necessary witnesses, resources and scheduling to complete this task; and that the committee report its conclusions and recommendations to the House of Commons.”</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Debate" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951768">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269267" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6297346">Thank you, Mr. Simms.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6297347">It's my understanding that's being provided in both official languages.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6297348">(Motion agreed to: yeas 11; nays 0)</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951552">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269267" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6297349"> I know you're subbing in for Mr. Cormier today, and Mr. Kelloway was earlier. I don't know if Serge knew that it took two MPs to replace him.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6297350">Mr. Arnold.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951555">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264400" Type="47">Mr. Mel Arnold</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6297351">I have two motions I'd like to present. I'll do one at a time. I believe the translated versions are being shared with the clerk.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6297352">I will speak slowly for the interpreters as well.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6297353">The first motion is: “That the committee undertake a study examining the scope and effects of illegal, unreported and unregulated fishing (IUU) on Canada's fisheries resources and the degradation of those resources caused by illegal, unreported and unregulated fishing;
That the committee receive witness testimony from the Minister of Fisheries and Oceans, Minister of National Defence, officials from the Department of Fisheries and Oceans and Department of National Defence and Canadians impacted by IUU fishing;
That the committee allot no fewer than eight two-hour meetings to receive said testimony; that the committee also accept written briefs from individuals or organizations who wish to submit input; and
That the committee submit its findings with recommendations in a report to the House.”</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="10951557">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269267" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6297354"> We've heard the motion. It hasn't been circulated yet, I don't think, so it's not up for discussion at this time.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6297355">Mr. Battiste, I know you had your hand up. We'll wait until we receive it. Then we'll allow any discussion to take place.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951558">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264240" Type="47">Mr. Jaime Battiste</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6297356">Just as clarification, Mr. Chair, we can't amend the current point raised by MP Arnold: Is that what we're saying?</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Timestamp Hr="12" Mn="40">(1240)</Timestamp>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951559">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269267" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6297357">Yes. </ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951560">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264113" Type="27">The Clerk</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6297358">Mr. Chair, can you ask Mr. Arnold to perhaps provide the text of his motion? I do not have the text of the motion right now.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951562">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264400" Type="47">Mr. Mel Arnold</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6297359">I believe the staff were distributing that to the clerk as I was speaking. For some reason, there seems to be a holdup. </ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951567">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264113" Type="27">The Clerk</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6297360">Mr. Chair, I do not see the emails and the text of the motions from the office of Mr. Arnold, for now. </ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6297361"> Perhaps I could take this time to address the members of the committee and give a reminder that it is much better to send emails to the FOPO and the committee inbox than it is to my personal inbox, in case I cannot access my emails. </ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6297362">That being said, I don't see the emails in either my inbox or the FOPO inbox.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="10951568">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269267" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6297363">Mr. Arnold, for now we'll take that as a notice of motion. Do you want to give another notice of motion? If they arrive before you're finished, we'll vote on them. If not, we won't discuss them or vote on them.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951569">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264400" Type="47">Mr. Mel Arnold</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6297364"> Thank you, Mr. Chair.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6297365">I'll move on to the other motion, and hopefully those translated versions will be arriving to the clerk shortly.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6297366">I would like to make a further motion regarding the public fishery in British Columbia, which contributes $1.1 billion to Canada's economy, the public fishery and 300,000 angling licence-holders and provides 9,000 jobs benefiting families, small communities and businesses connected to the public fisheries activities and tourism-related spending. Since 2016 the public fishery in British Columbia has been damaged by closures and restrictions.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6297367">The motion that I would like to make is: “That the committee undertake a study of the socio-economic impacts of the Minister of Fisheries and Oceans’ decision to restrict recreational and commercial fishing for chinook salmon on the south coast of British Columbia over the past two years to fully understand the impact of this decision on small businesses and coastal communities; and as part of this study, the committee meet virtually with those impacted including recreational anglers, small businesses and indigenous and coastal communities that have and continue to be affected and are observing significant additional hardship in business for 2020 due to the reduction of opportunities in the public fishery; and as part of this study, the committee assess measures, including measures other than fisheries management, that could deliver increases in chinook salmon stocks while allowing for access and opportunity for harvesters and that the department give a full briefing on all public consultation that took place on the west coast with the affected fisheries; and that the committee submit its findings with recommendations in a report to the House.”</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Timestamp Hr="12" Mn="45">(1245)</Timestamp>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="10951588">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269267" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6297368">Both motions have been received in both official languages.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6297369">Is there any discussion on the first motion by Mr. Arnold?</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951594">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264240" Type="47">Mr. Jaime Battiste</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6297370">Is that on the illegal fishing? If so, I would like to add an amendment.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6297371">I would like to make it without prejudice to aboriginal and treaty rights, because while they're bringing these fisheries out, they haven't specifically stated whether that's what they have in mind. I don't think it's appropriate in terms of this kind of study to label them all together.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951598">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264113" Type="27">The Clerk</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6297372">To make sure that I take the correct note and also so the members understand what the they are voting on, could Mr. Battiste suggest a full sentence and specify exactly where that amendment would be in the motion?</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951600">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264240" Type="47">Mr. Jaime Battiste</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6297373">We can put at the end of the motion, “that the motion is without prejudice to aboriginal and treaty rights, which do not fall under these categories”. </ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6297374">(Amendment agreed to: yeas 11; nays 0 )</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6297375">(Motion as amended agreed to: yeas 11; nays 0 [<I>See Minutes of Proceedings</I>])</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="10951603">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269267" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6297376">Mr. Johns, you had your hand up.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Timestamp Hr="12" Mn="50">(1250)</Timestamp>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951610">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264473" Type="47">Mr. Gord Johns</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6297377">Mr. Chair, because of time, I'm concerned about waiting for another week to discuss Mr. Battiste's motion. </ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6297378">I urge the committee and you, Mr. Chair, to call an emergency meeting of this committee either tomorrow afternoon or Friday, so that we can get this discussion rolling, or at least have a chance to debate Mr. Battiste's motion. I'm wondering if you can check with the committee and see if everybody is open to that.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="10951612">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269267" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6297379"> From your statement, I assume you're making a motion.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951613">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264473" Type="47">Mr. Gord Johns</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6297380">I move, Mr. Chair, that the committee meet at its next earliest convenience.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="10951614">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269267" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6297381"> Your motion hasn't been presented in both official languages to each member of the committee, so it's not a motion we can accept right now. </ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6297382">We voted unanimously in favour of the motion that everything be presented in both official languages to all committee members. You can give notice of motion, but it will be a notice. It won't be voted on.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951615">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264473" Type="47">Mr. Gord Johns</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6297383">Mr. Chair, it's my understanding that you have the authority to also call a meeting of the committee without a motion from the committee. </ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="10951616">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269267" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6297384"> Yes, I can call a committee meeting at any time, but dictating what will be discussed at that meeting is in the form of a motion.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6297385">I see the clerk is putting up her hand. Maybe she can better explain it. </ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6297386">Nancy.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951618">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264113" Type="27">The Clerk</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6297387"> Thank you very much, Mr. Chair. </ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6297388">Indeed it is up to the chair to convene a meeting, so if the chair wants to convene a meeting he can certainly do so.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6297389">The only thing at this time, Mr. Chair, is you have to keep in mind that the committees do not yet have a schedule. The whips are debating and negotiating for schedules for all committees, so before you convene a meeting, it would be important for you to contact your whip to see what is possible. At this time, I as a clerk don't know what is possible this week. I know many committees will be electing chairs and organizing meetings. Other than that, you would have to make sure to follow up with your whip. Members, it's a good idea to follow up with your whips, because I believe an agreement should come soon but at this time I'm not aware of the different possibilities. </ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Timestamp Hr="12" Mn="55">(1255)</Timestamp>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951621">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264400" Type="47">Mr. Mel Arnold</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6297390">I have a point of order, Mr. Chair. </ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6297391"> I believe there's one more motion on the table that hasn't been voted on yet.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951622">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264473" Type="47">Mr. Gord Johns</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6297392">I'm happy to wrap things up here, Mr. Chair. My whip's office have said there is a time slot tomorrow afternoon and Friday morning. </ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6297393">I urge you to call an emergency meeting to discuss this, so I'll leave it with you.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="10951623">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269267" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6297394"> I will certainly discuss that with the clerk and take it under advisement.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6297395"> The second motion by Mr. Arnold has not been voted on yet. </ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6297396">Is there any debate?</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951630">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264243" Type="47">Mr. Ken Hardie</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6297397">Mr. Chair, I have a question. </ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6297398">What would come of this? We would understand there have obviously been some social and economic impacts. Determining what those are would do what? What would be an actionable move out of a study like this? </ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6297399">Maybe Mr. Arnold could speak to this.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951636">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264400" Type="47">Mr. Mel Arnold</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6297400">I believe the committee can hear from many witnesses on this as to potential solutions for the people and communities that have been impacted so significantly by this.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6297401">There are other options out there for creating more recreational and commercial opportunity on the west coast, and I certainly believe this committee could hear those options and make recommendations to the House. </ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951639">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264243" Type="47">Mr. Ken Hardie</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6297402">Mr. Chair, I'm wondering if that approach could be incorporated into the motion, so that the purpose of the study would be to look at ways of mitigating the impact of the closures and examine the options that are available to mitigate the impact.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6297403">Could I recommend a friendly motion to amend to that effect?</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="10951644">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269267" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6297404"> I think you just did.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6297405">Mr. Arnold. </ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951645">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264400" Type="47">Mr. Mel Arnold</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6297406">Thank you, Mr. Chair.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6297407">I believe that may be captured in this:</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6297408">
                <Quote>
                  <QuotePara Align="Left" IndentFirst="2" IndentRest="2">[that] as part of [the] study, the committee assess measures, including measures other than fisheries management, that could deliver increases in chinook salmon stocks while allowing for access and opportunity for harvesters.</QuotePara>
                  <QuotePara Align="Left" IndentFirst="2" IndentRest="2">That the department will give a full briefing on [the] public consultations that took place on the West Coast with affected fishers.</QuotePara>
                </Quote>
              </ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6297409">So it's captured in the portion where it says “including measures other than fisheries management that could deliver increases in chinook salmon stock”. </ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="10951649">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269267" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6297410"> Is that satisfactory to you, Mr. Hardie, in maybe not needing an amendment?</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951651">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264243" Type="47">Mr. Ken Hardie</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6297411">Yes, I think we can go ahead and vote on the study on its own merits. </ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6297412">(Motion agreed to: yeas, 11; nays 0)</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Timestamp Hr="13" Mn="00">(1300)</Timestamp>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="10951664">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269267" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6297413">Madam Gill.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <FloorLanguage language="FR">[<I>Translation</I>]</FloorLanguage>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951665">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269270" Type="47">Mrs. Marilène Gill</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6297414">I have another brief motion, which has already been sent to all the committee members. It concerns a completely different topic.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6297415">
                <Quote>
                  <QuotePara Align="Left" IndentFirst="2" IndentRest="2">That the Clerk be asked to review options to allow each Committee member to be accompanied by a staff member directly on the Zoom platform; that she be asked to identify the regulatory, budgetary and technological constraints to this authorization; and that she provide the Committee with the results of her analysis prior to the next meeting.</QuotePara>
                </Quote>
              </ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6297416">If she can't provide the committee with these results prior to the next meeting, we can amend the motion.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951670">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264113" Type="27">The Clerk</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6297417">Ms. Gill, since we don't know when the next meeting will take place, it would be better to change the wording of your motion.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951672">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269270" Type="47">Mrs. Marilène Gill</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6297418">Indeed.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <FloorLanguage language="EN">[<I>English</I>]</FloorLanguage>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="10951673">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269267" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6297419"> Madam Gill, before we try formulating at the end, we've just gone past our two-hour time slot that was allocated for the meeting. To go on any further, I would need unanimous consent of the committee to continue. </ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6297420">I don't know yet if the table staff and the clerk are prepared to go any further. I would ask them, if there is anything wrong with continuing, to let us know.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951675">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264240" Type="47">Mr. Jaime Battiste</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6297421">I don't give consent.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951677">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264245" Type="47">Mr. Robert Morrissey</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6297422">Nay.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="10951678">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269267" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6297423"> We do not have unanimous consent to continue on, so I think we'll close off here. I thank everyone for their participation today, including the clerk, the table staff and the interpreters, of course. </ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6297424">I have a couple of reminders for people before you leave. One is that when you're not speaking, please put your system on mute. I know I'm guilty of it as well, as are others. As well, please try to speak slowly and clearly when you're reading out a motion or statement so the interpreters can try to keep up. Again, we know we have to have everything in both official languages from now on. There will be no excuses.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951679">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269303" Type="47">Mr. Richard Bragdon</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6297425">I have a point of order, Mr. Chair.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="10951680">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269267" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6297426"> We don't have unanimous consent to continue, Mr. Bragdon, so I don't think I can entertain a point of order.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951681">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269303" Type="47">Mr. Richard Bragdon</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6297427">Just in regard to that, does it require a majority vote? A majority vote can ask for the committee to continue. Is that correct?</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="10951684">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269267" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6297428"> No, it has to be unanimous.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6297429">Nancy.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951686">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264113" Type="27">The Clerk</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6297430"> Technically, pursuant to Standing Order 116, if the majority of members want to continue the meeting, they can.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="10951690">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269267" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6297431"> Perhaps I'm wrong on unanimous consent. I thought it required unanimous consent in the past.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951691">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264113" Type="27">The Clerk</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6297432">No, the call of the chair to adjourn is considered implied consent technically, so usually we go with the implied consent that the members are done with the meeting, unless the debate has already started. If some members want to keep the debate going, the chair should not interrupt the debate. What usually goes on is that the members are willing to adjourn the meeting, and that's when the chair calls for the implied consent of the members to adjourn.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="10951696">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269267" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6297433">Nancy, Mr. Bragdon is asking if we can vote on it to extend, and it was—</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Timestamp Hr="13" Mn="05">(1305)</Timestamp>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951697">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264113" Type="27">The Clerk</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6297434">You would not need unanimous consent, but if the members of the committee want to keep on meeting, and if, considering we are virtual, the room is available and the resources are available....</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6297435"> I can start by looking into this before anything else.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951699">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269267" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6297436"> Do you mean going forward, or...?</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951701">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264113" Type="27">The Clerk</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6297437">If it were the will of the committee to pursue the meeting, I would first have to verify that the room was available and that the resources of the House were available at this time. </ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6297438">Do you want me to look into this?</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="10951704">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269267" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6297439"> I think some on the committee were saying no and some were obviously saying yes. Should we get a vote on it to see? I don't remember who said no for unanimous consent and I don't remember who said yes. I think the only way we can find that out is to go to a vote.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6297440">Mr. Arnold.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951707">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264400" Type="47">Mr. Mel Arnold</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6297441">Mr. Chair, I'd like to move that the committee continue further business today if the resources are available.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951709">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269267" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6297442"> All right. So moved.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6297443">Is there any discussion?</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6297444">Nancy, can you do a recorded vote, please?</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Debate" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951710">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264113" Type="27">The Clerk</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6297445">Well, I will first see if there are any resources. </ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6297446">Mr. Chair, I see that there are no meetings in this room until 3:30. Staff would be able to pursue the meeting if there was quorum and the members wanted to pursue the meeting.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951723">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269267" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6297447"> Do you want to do an actual vote on that, Nancy?</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Timestamp Hr="13" Mn="10">(1310)</Timestamp>
          <Intervention Type="Debate" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951845">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264113" Type="27">The Clerk</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6297448">The motion of September 23 is that votes should be recorded unless there is clear unanimous consent, so yes. </ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6297449">Mr. Battiste.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951727">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264241" Type="47">Mr. Terry Beech</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6297450"> I have a point of order, Mr. Chair. </ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6297451">Mr. Battiste is in the waiting room and is trying to get back into the meeting.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951729">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264113" Type="27">The Clerk</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6297452">Yes, I see that. </ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6297453"> He was admitted and is on his way back. He will be a second.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6297454"> Perhaps I will ask Mr. Beech for his recorded vote during this time.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951731">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264241" Type="47">Mr. Terry Beech</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6297455">I voted against this.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6297456">Was there a chance for debate?</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="10951735">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269267" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6297457">We can certainly debate it. We have only found out now that we can accept this.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6297458"> Do you want a debate first?</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951737">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264241" Type="47">Mr. Terry Beech</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6297459"> No, I see that Jaime is here.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6297460">I love the fisheries and oceans committee and I wish I could spend more time with you. But I have other meetings booked and I'm sure other members have. I know that staff have other work as well. </ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6297461">All these things are important, but if we could wait until the next meeting, I would appreciate it. That's why I'll be voting no.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="10951742">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269267" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6297462">Thank you for that.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6297463">Nancy.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Debate" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951811">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264113" Type="27">The Clerk</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6297464">Mr. Battiste is with us.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6297465"> Mr. Battiste, this is a recorded vote under way. It is on the question: shall the committee continue to sit?</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6297466">(Motion negatived: nays 6; yeas 5)</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="10951745">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269267" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6297467">We do not have permission to extend, according to the vote.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6297468">On that note, we'll adjourn the meeting.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6297469">Thank you, everyone.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
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