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          <Timestamp Hr="13" Mn="05">(1305)</Timestamp>
          <FloorLanguage language="EN">[<I>English</I>]</FloorLanguage>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="11022091">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269109" Type="35">The Chair (Mr. David Sweet (Flamborough—Glanbrook, CPC))</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6390281"> Colleagues, we're ready to begin now. I have a couple of opening remarks and then I'll get to a very full speakers list.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6390282">We passed the motion of Mr. Angus, and I wanted to advise the committee that we've already taken action in the sense of sending the request to Speakers' Spotlight in regard to the documents. As well, we're relying on you to make sure that all of your witness lists are in by next Monday. We will be reaching out to Frank Baylis as well; and anything else that's specifically embedded in the motion, we'll take action on.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6390283">Now we'll continue with the debate that we left off from the last meeting, and here's my list: Mr. Angus; Mr. Kelly, Mr. Gourde, Madame Gaudreau, Mr. Warkentin, Madame Lattanzio, Madame Shanahan, Mr. Fergus, and Mr. Sorbara. </ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6390284">Mr. Angus.</ParaText>
            </Content>
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          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="11022095">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264469" Type="47">Mr. Charlie Angus (Timmins—James Bay, NDP)</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6390285">Thank you, Chair, and thank you for clarifying that we need to get our witness lists in so that we can actually get to work. </ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6390286">I want to speak briefly to Mr. Dong's motion.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6390287">We have gone through 40 hours of obstruction of this committee. What that means, I think my Liberal colleagues really need to understand, is that there's been a poisoning of the relationships on this committee. You get elected by your party and your party sends you in to do certain stuff. Sometimes it's not all that tasteful, but you do it because you're a good loyal foot soldier, but the only thing that gets you through your career in politics is your integrity. Your “yes” means yes, and your “no” means no, as the nuns used to teach me at school. </ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6390288"> I've seen see 40 hours of obstruction and interference in the work of the committee, something I've never seen before, and when we finally passed the motion, the committee is immediately hijacked by Mr. Dong—something else that I've never ever seen before. The reasoning he gives us is that he's upset because he doesn't want to talk about this and that he's never had a motion passed, and the Liberals haven't had any of their motions passed.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6390289">So rather than let our committee do the work that we need to do, we were filibustered by both Mr. Dong and Ms. Shanahan. I mention this because I'm asking my Liberal colleagues if that's how they want to play, because if it's about jumping the floor and getting motions to change subjects, we could make life a living hell. If you want scorched earth, it will be scorched earth. If your word means nothing, then for the opposition, we have nothing to get from this committee other than our own agendas.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6390290">On the last ethics committee I was on, we worked extremely well together. We put aside our agendas. We learned to listen to each other and work, and we did extraordinary work and that work was recognized internationally. In the previous ethics committee, it was often a gong show. Dean Del Mastro and I went at it on a daily basis, but the work of the committee was never interfered with. It was never monkeywrenched by the antics that I've seen from the Liberals. When things got bad between Dean Del Mastro and me, the whips came down and we got things sorted out because the committee always had to function, but now we see that this committee is in a position where the Liberals want to make it impossible to function.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6390291">With regard to Mr. Dong's debate or motion, I find it really irregular. I think it's really a cheap tactic to stop us from getting the basic work done on a committee study.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6390292">So I move to adjourn debate on Mr. Dong's motion.</ParaText>
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          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="11022110">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269109" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6390293">This is a dilatory motion, so I'll hand it over to the clerk for a vote.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="11022111">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264204" Type="47">Mr. Han Dong (Don Valley North, Lib.)</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6390294">I have a point of order, Chair.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="11022113">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264469" Type="47">Mr. Charlie Angus</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6390295">It's not debatable.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="11022115">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269109" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6390296">Go ahead, Mr. Dong, on your point.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="11022116">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264204" Type="47">Mr. Han Dong</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6390297">Yes, thank you, Chair. I hear a little bit of echo here, but I'll do my best. I listened to Mr. Angus' debate on the motion I put forward—</ParaText>
            </Content>
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          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="11022117">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269111" Type="40">Ms. Marie-Hélène Gaudreau (Laurentides—Labelle, BQ)</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6390298">I have a point of order, Mr. Chair.</ParaText>
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          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="11022118">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269109" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6390299">Madame Gaudreau, is it on a technical issue? Are you not getting translation?</ParaText>
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            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269111" Type="40">Ms. Marie-Hélène Gaudreau</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6390300">I heard a bit of echo, and since Mr. Dong began speaking, it's been even worse. We can hear the floor, the member in question and the interpreter all at once. It's unbelievable.</ParaText>
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          </Intervention>
          <FloorLanguage language="EN">[<I>English</I>]</FloorLanguage>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="11022127">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269109" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6390301"> We'll get the IT team to work on it. </ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6390302">Mr. Dong, can you conclude your remarks, please?</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="11022129">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264204" Type="47">Mr. Han Dong</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6390303">Sure. I'll be very quick. </ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6390304">I want to say that I want to show my respect to allow Mr. Angus to finish his remarks today, but the content of his debate today, I find very offensive. He's taking—</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="11022131">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264469" Type="47">Mr. Charlie Angus</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6390305">It's not debatable; this is not debatable. We're going to a vote. </ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="11022134">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264204" Type="47">Mr. Han Dong</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6390306">Chair, do I have the floor?</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="11022136">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269109" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6390307">Mr. Dong, I actually—</ParaText>
            </Content>
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          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="11022137">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264204" Type="47">Mr. Han Dong</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6390308">I will be very concise. I spoke for only 20 seconds. </ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="11022138">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269109" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6390309">Hang on just a second. </ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="11022139">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264204" Type="47">Mr. Han Dong</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6390310">I've been interrupted already. </ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="11022141">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264469" Type="47">Mr. Charlie Angus</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6390311">It's not debatable. </ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="11022147">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269109" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6390312">Please just chill a bit. </ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6390313">I've already taken the liberty. Generally speaking, when a motion is moved and I have advised the clerk to take the vote, then there's no other interruption of business. </ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6390314">I thought you were going to have a brief comment. I will give you 20 more seconds and then we need to get to the vote. </ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Timestamp Hr="13" Mn="10">(1310)</Timestamp>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="11022150">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264204" Type="47">Mr. Han Dong</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6390315">Thank you, Chair. I don't want to take any more time. </ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6390316">Just check the blues of the last meeting to see how much time Mr. Angus used to debate—</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="11022152">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264469" Type="47">Mr. Charlie Angus</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6390317">This is debate. </ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="11022154">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264204" Type="47">Mr. Han Dong</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6390318">—and how much time I used. </ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="11022156">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264469" Type="47">Mr. Charlie Angus</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6390319">This is debate. </ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="11022157">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264204" Type="47">Mr. Han Dong</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6390320">I just find it very disrespectful—</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="11022589">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264469" Type="47">Mr. Charlie Angus</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6390321">This is interrupting the our vote. He's interrupting our vote. He's interrupted our meeting. This is interrupting our vote. </ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Debate" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="11022590">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264204" Type="47">Mr. Han Dong</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6390322">I'm being constantly interrupted by Mr. Angus. </ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Debate" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="11022158">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264469" Type="47">Mr. Charlie Angus</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6390323">He's interrupting a vote. He has no right to this. </ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="11022160">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269109" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6390324"> Colleagues— </ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="11022162">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264204" Type="47">Mr. Han Dong</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6390325">I don't bully anybody on the committee. We are respectful members. </ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="11022163">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264469" Type="47">Mr. Charlie Angus</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6390326">He needs to show respect to our committee. </ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="11022164">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264204" Type="47">Mr. Han Dong</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6390327">Yes, let's do that. </ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="11022165">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264469" Type="47">Mr. Charlie Angus</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6390328">Let's get to a vote. </ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="11022166">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269109" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6390329">Madam Clerk. </ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="11022168">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264158" Type="27">The Clerk of the Committee (Ms. Miriam Burke)</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6390330">On the motion that debate be now adjourned, please say yea if you're in favour or nay if you're opposed, when I call your name.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6390331">The vote is 5 yeas, 5 nays.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6390332">
                <B>The Chair:</B> I'll vote for the motion.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6390333">(Motion agreed to: yeas 6; nays 5)</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="11022172">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269109" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6390334">We'll move on to Mr. Kelly. </ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="11022173">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="252815" Type="2">Mr. Pat Kelly (Calgary Rocky Ridge, CPC)</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6390335">Thank you very much. </ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6390336">I move that the committee now resume its scheduling and planning for the motion on the questions regarding conflict of interest and lobbying in relation to the pandemic spending study. </ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="11022174">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269109" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6390337">To be clear, Mr. Kelly, you're talking about Mr. Angus' motion?</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="11022176">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264376" Type="47">Mr. Chris Warkentin (Grande Prairie—Mackenzie, CPC)</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6390338">Yes, he is. </ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="11022179">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="252815" Type="2">Mr. Pat Kelly</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6390339">Yes.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="11022180">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269109" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6390340">Colleagues, the motion is to move to the next order of business, and then I'll turn it over to the clerk again. </ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="11022181">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269110" Type="40">Mrs. Brenda Shanahan (Châteauguay—Lacolle, Lib.)</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6390341">Chair, I have point of order. </ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="11022182">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269109" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6390342">We're going to a vote, Ms. Shanahan. Is it a technical question?</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="11022184">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264469" Type="47">Mr. Charlie Angus</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6390343">It's a vote. </ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="11022190">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269110" Type="40">Mrs. Brenda Shanahan</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6390344">That's what I want to clarify, whether we could speak to this motion. </ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="11022192">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269109" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6390345">No, it's a dilatory motion to move to the business of Mr. Angus' motion. </ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="11022195">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264158" Type="27">The Clerk</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6390346">All those in favour please say yea and all those opposed please say nay when I call your name.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6390347">The vote is 5 yeas, 5 nays.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6390348">
                <B>The Chair:</B> Okay, I'll vote for the motion. </ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6390349">(Motion agreed to: yeas 6; nays 5)</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="11022206">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269109" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6390350"> Madame Gaudreau, you were next on the speaking list. Right now it is 1:14, but we had already scheduled to deal with the work plan of Mr. Angus. </ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6390351">We'll move in camera to deal with that business and motion. We'll need to suspend for about 10 minutes.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6390352">You should have received a different link and password for in camera meeting. You'll need to log out of this meeting, and then log back into the in camera meeting. We suspect it will probably take about 10 to 15 minutes for that to happen.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Timestamp Hr="13" Mn="15">(1315)</Timestamp>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="11022214">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269110" Type="40">Mrs. Brenda Shanahan</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6390353">Mr. Chair, can you be specific? Will it be 10 or 15 minutes until we resume?</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="11022218">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269109" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6390354">It will probably take 10 to 15 minutes by the time the IT team gets everybody logged in. That's about how long it usually takes.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="11022220">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269110" Type="40">Mrs. Brenda Shanahan</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6390355">Mr. Chair, when we come back in, could you talk about the speakers list, because that seems to be very <I>flou</I>. </ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="11022223">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269109" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6390356">Did you say fluent?</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="11022224">
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              <Affiliation DbId="269110" Type="40">Mrs. Brenda Shanahan</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
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              <ParaText id="6390357">No, I did not.</ParaText>
              <FloorLanguage language="FR">[<I>Translation</I>]</FloorLanguage>
              <ParaText id="6390358">I said “flou”, which means “unclear” or “iffy”.</ParaText>
              <FloorLanguage language="EN">[<I>English</I>]</FloorLanguage>
              <ParaText id="6390359">People are getting on the list before you gavel in, because it will be a separate meeting.</ParaText>
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          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="11022229">
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              <Affiliation DbId="269109" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
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              <ParaText id="6390360">I will definitely speak to that. The whole place was full before I gavelled in today.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6390361">We'll suspend and come back.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6390362">[<I>Proceedings continue in camera</I>]</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
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