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    <ExtractedItem Name="InstitutionDebate">Standing Committee on Citizenship and Immigration</ExtractedItem>
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    <ExtractedItem Name="Date">Wednesday, October 14, 2020</ExtractedItem>
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          <Timestamp Hr="11" Mn="05">(1105)</Timestamp>
          <FloorLanguage language="EN">[<I>English</I>]</FloorLanguage>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10950744">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264111" Type="27">The Clerk of the Committee (Mr. Leif-Erik Aune)</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299452"> Honourable members, I see a quorum. We will now commence the meeting. </ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299453">The clerk of the committee can only receive motions for the election of the chair, and—</ParaText>
            </Content>
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          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10950749">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264222" Type="47">Mr. Sukh Dhaliwal (Surrey—Newton, Lib.)</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299454">I propose Salma Zahid to be the chair.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10950752">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264111" Type="27">The Clerk</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299455">Okay, sir. That is duly noted. I'll come to your motion in just a moment.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10950754">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264222" Type="47">Mr. Sukh Dhaliwal</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299456">Thank you, sir.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10950760">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264111" Type="27">The Clerk</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299457">I may not receive any other type of motion and I cannot entertain points of order nor participate in debate. </ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299458">We can now proceed to the election of the chair. Pursuant to Standing Order 106(2), the chair must be a member of the government party. </ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299459">Was it Mr. Dhaliwal who moved the motion or Mr. Saroya? I did not see on Zoom who moved the motion. Could you please move your motion again? I'm ready to receive a motion for the nomination of chair.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10950761">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269271" Type="47">Mr. Bob Saroya (Markham—Unionville, CPC)</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299460">It was Sukh Dhaliwal.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10950763">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264111" Type="27">The Clerk</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299461">Mr. Dhaliwal, please turn your camera on. We're ready to receive your motion if you have one.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10950764">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264225" Type="47">Hon. Geoff Regan (Halifax West, Lib.)</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299462">As Mr. Dhaliwal appears to be having technical problems, why don't I...?</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299463">There he is.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10950766">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264222" Type="47">Mr. Sukh Dhaliwal</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299464">The IT people are working on the camera right now. </ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Debate" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951266">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264111" Type="27">The Clerk</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299465">Are there any other motions for the nomination of chair?</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10950772">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264225" Type="47">Hon. Geoff Regan</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299466">Do we have a nomination now before us? I didn't hear it. If we don't have one, I nominate Salma Zahid for chair.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="10950775">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264111" Type="27">The Clerk</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299467">It has been moved by Mr. Regan that Ms. Zahid be elected chair of the committee. </ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299468">Are there any other nominations? </ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299469">Seeing none, is it the pleasure of the committee to adopt the motion? </ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299470">I see unanimity. </ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299471">(Motion agreed to)</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299472"> I declare the motion carried and Ms. Salma Zahid duly elected chair of the committee.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="10950781">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269268" Type="35">The Chair (Mrs. Salma Zahid (Scarborough Centre, Lib.))</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299473"> Thank you to all of the members.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299474">When anyone is speaking, there's a lot of sound coming in. It's difficult to understand. There's a lot of vibration within the sound.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10950784">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264226" Type="47">Mr. Marc Serré (Nickel Belt, Lib.)</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299475">Madam Chair, some of the MPs are not on mute.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10950786">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264111" Type="27">The Clerk</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299476">It seems we're having some technical difficulties. I also hear feedback on my end. I'm going to check with the technical team and follow up with committee in just 10 seconds. Please bear with me for just a moment.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Timestamp Hr="11" Mn="10">(1110)</Timestamp>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="10950787">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269268" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299477"> Yes.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10950789">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264111" Type="27">The Clerk</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299478">Thank you so much. We've made a technical intervention. Hopefully that will improve the audio quality. </ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299479">Ms. Zahid, since you have been elected chair of the committee, I've sent a couple of notes to your P9 account on the next steps. The chair is yours.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="10950792">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269268" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299480"> Thank you, and thanks to all my colleagues for the confidence in electing me the chair again. I really look forward to doing important work on this committee. </ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299481">If the committee would like to move to the election of the vice-chairs, I would invite the clerk to preside over the election of the vice-chairs.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10950795">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264111" Type="27">The Clerk</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299482">Thank you so much.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299483">The committee will proceed to the election of vice-chairs. Pursuant to Standing Order 106(2), the first vice-chair must be a member of the official opposition. I'm now prepared to receive motions for the position of first vice-chair.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299484">Madame Martinez Ferrada.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <FloorLanguage language="FR">[<I>Translation</I>]</FloorLanguage>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="10950800">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264224" Type="47">Ms. Soraya Martinez Ferrada (Hochelaga, Lib.)</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299485">Thank you, Mr. Clerk.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299486">I would like to nominate Christine Normandin for vice-chair of the committee.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <FloorLanguage language="EN">[<I>English</I>]</FloorLanguage>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10950801">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264111" Type="27">The Clerk</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299487"> It has been moved by Ms. Martinez Ferrada that Ms. Normandin be elected as the first vice-chair.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299488">Are there any other nominations?</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10950802">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269271" Type="47">Mr. Bob Saroya</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299489">Hello. Can you hear me? </ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10950803">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264111" Type="27">The Clerk</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299490">I hear an intervention. Is that Mr. Saroya? </ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299491"> Could I ask you to repeat yourself, please?</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299492">Okay, then, are there any other nominations for the position of vice-chair?</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299493">Hearing none, is it the pleasure of the committee to adopt the motion?</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <FloorLanguage language="FR">[<I>Translation</I>]</FloorLanguage>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10950804">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264224" Type="47">Ms. Soraya Martinez Ferrada</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299494">Mr. Chair, my understanding is that....</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <FloorLanguage language="EN">[<I>English</I>]</FloorLanguage>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10950805">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269273" Type="47">Ms. Raquel Dancho (Kildonan—St. Paul, CPC)</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299495">Mr. Clerk, I believe MP Saroya is trying to speak but is obviously not coming through.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10950806">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264224" Type="47">Ms. Soraya Martinez Ferrada</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299496">Point of order, Mr. Clerk.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10950807">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264111" Type="27">The Clerk</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299497">Thank you, Ms. Dancho.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299498">Madame Martinez Ferrada, I'm not able to hear points of order, but you have the floor.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <FloorLanguage language="FR">[<I>Translation</I>]</FloorLanguage>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10950809">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264224" Type="47">Ms. Soraya Martinez Ferrada</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299499">Thank you.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299500">As I understand, the first vice-chair of the committee must be a member of the official opposition. So I will withdraw my nomination and save it for the election of second vice-chair.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10950811">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264111" Type="27">The Clerk</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299501">We are currently discussing the motion to elect the first vice-chair, who must indeed be a member of the official opposition. We have a motion. I think that Mr. Soraya also had something to say.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299502">Mr. Soraya, go ahead.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <FloorLanguage language="EN">[<I>English</I>]</FloorLanguage>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10950815">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269271" Type="47">Mr. Bob Saroya</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299503">Good morning. I propose that Raquel Dancho be the first vice-chair of the committee, please.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10950816">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264111" Type="27">The Clerk</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299504">It has been moved by Mr. Saroya that Raquel Dancho be elected the first vice-chair.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299505">Are there any other nominations?</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299506"> Hearing none, as more than one candidate has been nominated, pursuant to the order adopted by the House on Wednesday, September 23, any motion received after the initial—</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10950819">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264225" Type="47">Hon. Geoff Regan</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299507">I'm sorry, but only one candidate was validly nominated, because it has to be someone from the Conservative Party. Only one Conservative was nominated and that is is Ms. Dancho.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10950822">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264111" Type="27">The Clerk</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299508">Of course, I beg your pardon. </ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299509"> Members of the committee, I must apologize. I've never before received a nomination for someone who was not a member of the required party and I took it for granted.... I apologize to all members.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299510">For the first motion, Madame Normandin regrettably is not eligible to be nominated as the first vice-chair.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299511">Thank you all for your patience.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299512">Mr. Regan, I owe you a nice bottle of wine.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299513">
                <B>Some hon. members:</B> Oh, oh!</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299514">
                <B>The Clerk:</B> It has been moved by Mr. Saroya that Ms. Dancho be elected as the first vice-chair of the committee.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299515"> Thank you for your patience. That was very kind of all of you.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299516">Is it the pleasure of the committee to adopt the motion?</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299517">I see unanimity.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299518">(Motion agreed to)</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299519">
                <B>The Clerk:</B> I declare Ms. Dancho the duly elected vice-chair.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299520">I guess that was my one mistake for the session.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299521">We'll now proceed to the election of second vice-chair. The second vice-chair must be a member of an opposition party other than that of the official opposition. </ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299522">I'm prepared to receive motions for the election of the second vice-chair. </ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299523">Madame Martinez Ferrada.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Timestamp Hr="11" Mn="15">(1115)</Timestamp>
          <FloorLanguage language="FR">[<I>Translation</I>]</FloorLanguage>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10950827">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264224" Type="47">Ms. Soraya Martinez Ferrada</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299524">Thank you, Mr. Clerk.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299525">I made a mistake earlier. So I am happy to correct myself and move a motion to nominate Ms. Normandin for second vice-chair of the committee.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10950828">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264111" Type="27">The Clerk</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299526">Okay, noted. Ms. Martinez Ferrada is nominating Christine Normandin for second vice-chair.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299527">Is it the pleasure of the committee to adopt the motion? We have unanimous consent.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299528">(Motion agreed to)</ParaText>
              <FloorLanguage language="EN">[<I>English</I>]</FloorLanguage>
              <ParaText id="6299529">I declare Madame Normandin the duly elected second vice-chair.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299530">(Motion agreed to)</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299531">
                <B>The Clerk:</B> The vice-chairs have been elected.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299532">Madam Zahid, you have the floor.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="10950829">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269268" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299533"> Thank you, clerk, and congratulations to both the vice-chairs. I look forward to working with you all in our committee. We have some important work to do.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299534">Now I would like to ask the committee members if we are okay to now adopt the routine motions?</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299535">Yes, Mr. Dhaliwal.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10950835">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264222" Type="47">Mr. Sukh Dhaliwal</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299536">Madam Chair, I would like to bring in the routine motions. The motions are basically the same ones as were adopted on February 18. </ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299537">First, would you like me to read them one by one?</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="10950838">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269268" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299538"> Yes, you can read them one by one, and then we will vote on them. </ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10950839">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264222" Type="47">Mr. Sukh Dhaliwal</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299539">Sure. The first is on analyst services: </ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299540">
                <Quote>
                  <QuotePara Align="Left" IndentFirst="2" IndentRest="2">That the committee retain, as needed and at the discretion of the Chair, the services of one or more analysts from the Library of Parliament to assist it in its work.</QuotePara>
                </Quote>
              </ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299541">(Motion agreed to)</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10950841">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264222" Type="47">Mr. Sukh Dhaliwal</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299542">The next is on the Subcommittee on Agenda and Procedure:</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299543">
                <Quote>
                  <QuotePara Align="Left" IndentFirst="2" IndentRest="2">That the Subcommittee on Agenda and Procedure be established and be composed of five (5) members, namely the Chair and  one member from each recognized party; and that the subcommittee work in a spirit of collaboration.</QuotePara>
                </Quote>
              </ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10950844">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269268" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299544"> Is everyone in favour of this motion?</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="10950855">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264467" Type="47">Ms. Jenny Kwan (Vancouver East, NDP)</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299545">Madam Chair, I'm just wondering. With this motion, I think committee members would have also received from their own party whip the latest round of motions from PROC that have been proposed for all committees. I just wonder if I can get a comment from the clerk or from Mr. Dhaliwal regarding all of the motions that we are proceeding with, and whether they are aligned with what was proposed by PROC in the latest round.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10950859">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264222" Type="47">Mr. Sukh Dhaliwal</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299546">Yes, they are.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10950861">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269268" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299547"> Thank you, Ms. Kwan.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299548">Mr. Dhaliwal will read them one by one, and if anything comes up, then we can debate it. So I think he can continue.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Timestamp Hr="11" Mn="20">(1120)</Timestamp>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10950864">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264222" Type="47">Mr. Sukh Dhaliwal</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299549">Okay, I'll continue with the next one, on meeting without a quorum:</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299550">
                <Quote>
                  <QuotePara Align="Left" IndentFirst="2" IndentRest="2">That the Chair be authorized to hold meetings to receive and publish evidence when a quorum is not present, provided that at least four (4) members are present, including two (2) members of the opposition and two (2) members of the government but, when travelling outside the parliamentary precinct, that the meeting begin after fifteen (15) minutes, regardless of members present.</QuotePara>
                </Quote>
              </ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299551"> (Motion agreed to)</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10950870">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264222" Type="47">Mr. Sukh Dhaliwal</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299552"> The next is on time for opening remarks and questioning of witnesses:</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299553">
                <Quote>
                  <QuotePara Align="Left" IndentFirst="2" IndentRest="2">That witnesses be given ten (10) minutes for their opening statements; that, at the discretion of the Chair, during the questioning of witnesses, there be allocated six (6) minutes for the first questioner of each party as follows:</QuotePara>
                </Quote>
              </ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299554">
                <Quote>
                  <QuotePara Align="Left" IndentFirst="2" IndentRest="2">Round 1: Conservative Party, Liberal Party, Bloc Québécois, New Democratic Party.</QuotePara>
                </Quote>
              </ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299555">
                <Quote>
                  <QuotePara Align="Left" IndentFirst="2" IndentRest="2">For the second and subsequent rounds, the order and time for questioning be as follows: Conservative Party, five (5) minutes, Liberal Party, five (5) minutes, Conservative Party, five (5) minutes, Liberal Party, five (5) minutes. Bloc Québécois, two and a half (2.5) minutes, New Democratic Party, two and a half (2.5) minutes.</QuotePara>
                </Quote>
              </ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10950882">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269268" Type="47">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299556"> Ms. Normandin.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <FloorLanguage language="FR">[<I>Translation</I>]</FloorLanguage>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10950884">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269274" Type="47">Ms. Christine Normandin (Saint-Jean, BQ)</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299557">Thank you very much.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299558">Unless I am mistaken, I have before me routine motions from the Standing Committee on Procedure and House Affairs. The first difference I see is that opening remarks last five minutes and, in the second round of questions, the Conservative Party has five minutes, the Liberal Party has five minutes, and the Bloc Québécois is given two and a half minutes, as is the New Democratic Party. Then, the Conservative Party again has five minutes and the Liberal Party has five minutes. My understanding is that this is what the Standing Committee on Procedure and House Affairs has discussed.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <FloorLanguage language="EN">[<I>English</I>]</FloorLanguage>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10950887">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269268" Type="47">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299559"> Ms. Normandin, would you like to propose an amendment to the motion that Mr. Dhaliwal has read?</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <FloorLanguage language="FR">[<I>Translation</I>]</FloorLanguage>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10950891">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269274" Type="47">Ms. Christine Normandin</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299560">With pleasure.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <FloorLanguage language="EN">[<I>English</I>]</FloorLanguage>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10950893">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269268" Type="47">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299561"> Can you please read the amendment?</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <FloorLanguage language="FR">[<I>Translation</I>]</FloorLanguage>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10950894">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269274" Type="47">Ms. Christine Normandin</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299562">I could read you the new motion as amended. Is that okay with you?</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <FloorLanguage language="EN">[<I>English</I>]</FloorLanguage>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10950895">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269268" Type="47">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299563"> Yes. Please, go ahead.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <FloorLanguage language="FR">[<I>Translation</I>]</FloorLanguage>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10950896">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269274" Type="47">Ms. Christine Normandin</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299564">It reads as follows:</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299565">
                <Quote>
                  <QuotePara Align="Left" IndentFirst="2" IndentRest="2">That witnesses be given five (5) minutes for their opening statements; that whenever possible, witnesses provide the committee with their opening statements 72 hours in advance; that, at the discretion of the Chair, during the questioning of witnesses, there be allocated six (6) minutes for the first questioner of each party as follows: Round 1:</QuotePara>
                  <QuotePara Align="Left" IndentFirst="2" IndentRest="2">Conservative Party,</QuotePara>
                  <QuotePara Align="Left" IndentFirst="2" IndentRest="2">Liberal Party,</QuotePara>
                  <QuotePara Align="Left" IndentFirst="2" IndentRest="2">Bloc Québécois,</QuotePara>
                  <QuotePara Align="Left" IndentFirst="2" IndentRest="2">New Democratic Party.</QuotePara>
                  <QuotePara Align="Left" IndentFirst="2" IndentRest="2">For the second and subsequent rounds, the order and time for questioning be as follows:</QuotePara>
                  <QuotePara Align="Left" IndentFirst="2" IndentRest="2">Conservative Party, five (5) minutes,</QuotePara>
                  <QuotePara Align="Left" IndentFirst="2" IndentRest="2">Liberal Party, five (5) minutes,</QuotePara>
                  <QuotePara Align="Left" IndentFirst="2" IndentRest="2">Bloc Québécois, two and a half (2.5) minutes,</QuotePara>
                  <QuotePara Align="Left" IndentFirst="2" IndentRest="2">New Democratic Party, two and a half (2.5) minutes,</QuotePara>
                  <QuotePara Align="Left" IndentFirst="2" IndentRest="2">Conservative Party, five (5) minutes,</QuotePara>
                  <QuotePara Align="Left" IndentFirst="2" IndentRest="2">Liberal Party, five (5) minutes.</QuotePara>
                </Quote>
              </ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <FloorLanguage language="EN">[<I>English</I>]</FloorLanguage>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10950905">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269268" Type="47">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299566"> Mr. Serré.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10950906">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264226" Type="47">Mr. Marc Serré</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299567">Madame Chair, I just want to make sure the translation says that the witnesses have five minutes to present. That was the motion that Ms. Normandin presented. I just want to make sure it's five minutes.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10950907">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269268" Type="47">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299568"> Ms. Normandin, are you proposing five minutes for each of the witnesses for the opening remarks?</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <FloorLanguage language="FR">[<I>Translation</I>]</FloorLanguage>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10950908">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269274" Type="47">Ms. Christine Normandin</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299569">The Standing Committee on Procedure and House Affairs did propose five minutes to ensure the ability to stay within the allocated time and get through all the rounds.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <FloorLanguage language="EN">[<I>English</I>]</FloorLanguage>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10950910">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269268" Type="47">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299570"> Okay.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299571">Just to make sure, I feel there may have been an issue with the translation, so I just want to repeat it. Ms. Normandin, please let me know if that is okay.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299572">You are proposing five minutes for the opening remarks for each of the witnesses. The first speaking round will be six minutes starting with Conservatives, six minutes to the Liberals, and then coming to the Bloc for six minutes and then the NDP for six minutes. Going into the second round, it will be five minutes for the Conservatives, five minutes for the Liberals, and five minutes for the Conservatives.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299573">Ms. Normandin.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Timestamp Hr="11" Mn="25">(1125)</Timestamp>
          <FloorLanguage language="FR">[<I>Translation</I>]</FloorLanguage>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10950913">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269274" Type="47">Ms. Christine Normandin</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299574">For the second round, here is what was suggested in the Standing Committee of Procedure and House Affairs:</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299575">
                <Quote>
                  <QuotePara Align="Left" IndentFirst="2" IndentRest="2">Conservative Party, five (5) minutes</QuotePara>
                  <QuotePara Align="Left" IndentFirst="2" IndentRest="2">Liberal Party, five (5) minutes</QuotePara>
                  <QuotePara Align="Left" IndentFirst="2" IndentRest="2">Bloc Québécois, two and a half (2.5) minutes</QuotePara>
                  <QuotePara Align="Left" IndentFirst="2" IndentRest="2">New Democratic Party, two and a half (2.5) minutes</QuotePara>
                  <QuotePara Align="Left" IndentFirst="2" IndentRest="2">Conservative Party, five (5) minutes</QuotePara>
                  <QuotePara Align="Left" IndentFirst="2" IndentRest="2">Liberal Party, five (5) minutes</QuotePara>
                </Quote>
              </ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299576">The Bloc Québécois and the NDP are in the middle of that round, and not at the end.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <FloorLanguage language="EN">[<I>English</I>]</FloorLanguage>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10950921">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269268" Type="47">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299577"> Thank you, Ms. Normandin, for clarifying. Is everyone okay with the amendment proposed by Ms. Normandin?</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299578">Mr. Allison.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10950925">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264368" Type="47">Mr. Dean Allison (Niagara West, CPC)</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299579">I apologize profusely for not having a headset, but is there any reason why all the members wouldn't get a chance to talk one time before opposition parties got the chance to talk twice? Every member should have the right.... I would go to Mr. Regan to ask his thoughts on that.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10950937">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269268" Type="47">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299580"> Mr. Regan.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10950941">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264225" Type="47">Hon. Geoff Regan</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299581">Madam Chair, it's a bit unorthodox to call on one particular member. I don't know why my old friend Dean's picking on me.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299582">I recognize there's always the argument that we're all members of Parliament and that we all ought to have our turn. I don't have a problem with the proposal by Ms. Normandin, but I do respect what Mr. Allison is saying. I recall someone saying, in a dispute, “Well, some of my friends say this, and some of my friends say this, and I agree with my friends.”</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10950946">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269268" Type="47">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299583"> Thank you, Mr. Allison.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299584">Thank you, Mr. Regan.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299585">All those in favour of the amendment proposed by Ms. Normandin?</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299586">(Amendment agreed to)</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299587">(Motion as amended agreed to [<I>See Minutes of Proceedings</I>])</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299588">
                <B>The Chair:</B> We are back to Mr. Dhaliwal.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10950952">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264222" Type="47">Mr. Sukh Dhaliwal</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299589">The next one is on document distribution:</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299590">
                <Quote>
                  <QuotePara Align="Left" IndentFirst="2" IndentRest="2">That the clerk of the committee be authorized to distribute documents to members of the committee only when the documents are available in both official languages and that witnesses be advised accordingly.</QuotePara>
                </Quote>
              </ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10950956">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269268" Type="47">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299591"> Thank you, Mr. Dhaliwal.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299592">(Motion agreed to)</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10950959">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264222" Type="47">Mr. Sukh Dhaliwal</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299593">The next one is with regard to working meals:</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299594">
                <Quote>
                  <QuotePara Align="Left" IndentFirst="2" IndentRest="2">That the clerk of the committee be authorized to make the necessary arrangements to provide working meals for the committee and its subcommittees.</QuotePara>
                </Quote>
              </ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10950962">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269268" Type="47">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299595"> Thank you, Mr. Dhaliwal.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299596">All those in favour of this motion? Is there anyone against?</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299597">Ms. Normandin.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <FloorLanguage language="FR">[<I>Translation</I>]</FloorLanguage>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10950964">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269274" Type="47">Ms. Christine Normandin</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299598">If I may, Madam Chair, I would like to point out that the Standing Committee on Procedure and House Affairs added something to that motion, whereby members must now confirm their physical presence at the meeting, to avoid extra meals being ordered.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299599">I also propose that addition.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <FloorLanguage language="EN">[<I>English</I>]</FloorLanguage>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10950968">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269268" Type="47">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299600"> Thank you, Ms. Normandin. You are proposing an amendment to the motion proposed by Mr. Dhaliwal.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299601">All those in favour of the amendment proposed by Ms. Normandin?</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299602">(Amendment agreed to)</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299603">(Motion as amended agreed to [<I>See Minutes of Proceedings</I>])</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10950970">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264222" Type="47">Mr. Sukh Dhaliwal</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299604">The next one is on travel, accommodation and living expenses of witnesses:</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299605">
                <Quote>
                  <QuotePara Align="Left" IndentFirst="2" IndentRest="2">That, if requested, reasonable travel, accommodation and living expenses be reimbursed to witnesses not exceeding two representatives per organization; provided that, in exceptional circumstances, payment for more representatives be made at the discretion of the chair.</QuotePara>
                </Quote>
              </ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10950978">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269268" Type="47">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299606"> All those in favour of the motion proposed by Mr. Dhaliwal? All those against the motion?</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10950980">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264467" Type="47">Ms. Jenny Kwan</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299607">[<I>Technical difficulty—Editor</I>]</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10950981">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269268" Type="47">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299608"> The motion is adopted.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299609">(Motion agreed to)</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10950983">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264222" Type="47">Mr. Sukh Dhaliwal</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299610">On to the next one—</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10950984">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264467" Type="47">Ms. Jenny Kwan</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299611">Sorry.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299612">Madam Chair?</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Timestamp Hr="11" Mn="30">(1130)</Timestamp>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10950985">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269268" Type="47">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299613"> Ms. Kwan, please.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10950987">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264467" Type="47">Ms. Jenny Kwan</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299614">I don't actually know how to get onto the rotation. It seems that my “raise hand” feature is not working. Every time I press it, nothing happens.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299615">Before this vote gets passed, I just want to ask a question.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299616">For witnesses who are appearing virtually, there would be no impact. If one organization, let's say, wanted to have three individuals represent it, is that going to be an issue with respect to this motion? I just want to get clarity on that.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10950990">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269268" Type="47">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299617"> Thank you, Ms. Kwan.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299618">Can I ask the clerk to please clarify this situation?</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10950991">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264111" Type="27">The Clerk</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299619">Yes. Thank you very much, Madam Chair.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299620">Traditionally, the limit of the expenses is due to travel. It does not cost us more to have additional witness participating by Zoom. Were we, however, to use a video conferencing studio, for example, if Internet connections were poor in a remote area, then there would be costs incurred. Sometimes those costs can be in the neighbourhood of, say, $500 to $1,000 per session.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299621">Members, as your administrative officer, I should remind you of those costs so that you can be aware when considering the limit to the maximum number of organizational representatives to reimburse for costs incurred.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299622">Thank you.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10950995">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269268" Type="47">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299623"> Thank you for clarifying that.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299624">Ms. Kwan, I hope the clarification given by the clerk is okay.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10950997">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264467" Type="47">Ms. Jenny Kwan</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299625">Am I understanding correctly, then, that the limitation on the number of representatives from an organization is strictly tied to the cost? For example, in an instance where witnesses appear virtually or via video conferencing, if there's no additional cost and they want to have three members in one room, then we would be able to allow them to do that.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299626">It doesn't happen all that often, but it does happen from time to time. I just want to make sure that this does not restrict those organizations' wishes in that regard. As long as there are no additional cost implications, then they would be able to have potentially, let's say, three witnesses instead of two. Am I understanding correctly?</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="10950999">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269268" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299627"> Thank you, Ms. Kwan. </ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299628">I think the clerk would like to clarify it.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951000">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264111" Type="27">The Clerk</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299629">To your clarification, Ms. Kwan, it is our established practice that the chair has the right, on a case-by-case basis, to expand the number of witnesses for extenuating reasons. Even if the committee decides to set a limit, be it two, three, four or whatever it is, if there is some reason why an organization would like to have more representatives and it is a compelling reason to the committee or the chair, then the committee reserves the right to allow for more representatives, despite the cost.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951006">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269268" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299630">Thank you for your clarification. </ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299631">Mr. Dhaliwal, can we please move forward?</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951011">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264222" Type="47">Mr. Sukh Dhaliwal</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299632">Thank you, Madam Chair. </ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299633">The next motion is on access to in camera meetings: <Quote><QuotePara Align="Left" IndentFirst="2" IndentRest="2">That, unless otherwise ordered, each committee member be allowed to have one staff member at an in camera meeting and that one additional person from each House officer's office be allowed to be present.</QuotePara></Quote></ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951015">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269268" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299634">All those in favour of this motion?</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299635">Yes, Ms. Normandin.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <FloorLanguage language="FR">[<I>Translation</I>]</FloorLanguage>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951016">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269274" Type="47">Ms. Christine Normandin</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299636">I would like us to add that those employees would be authorized to participate using Zoom.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299637">I will quickly explain what I mean. Otherwise, those employees can only participate by telephone, so they cannot see people, or they can follow us on ParlVU, which has a 40-second lag. That complicates the exercise a bit. The Standing Committee on Procedure and House Affairs did some testing, and it was working well with employees using Zoom.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <FloorLanguage language="EN">[<I>English</I>]</FloorLanguage>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951020">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269268" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299638">Mr. Regan, were you saying something?</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951029">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264225" Type="47">Hon. Geoff Regan</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299639">Madam Chair, I thought I was voting in favour, but let me say something in French. </ParaText>
              <FloorLanguage language="FR">[<I>Translation</I>]</FloorLanguage>
              <ParaText id="6299640">Should we specify that the assistants using Zoom must not use their camera? That is what I wanted to mention. I am of the impression that Ms. Normandin agrees with this amendment.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <FloorLanguage language="EN">[<I>English</I>]</FloorLanguage>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951033">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269268" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299641">Ms. Normandin, can you please read your amendment so that all the members can vote on it?</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Timestamp Hr="11" Mn="35">(1135)</Timestamp>
          <FloorLanguage language="FR">[<I>Translation</I>]</FloorLanguage>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951036">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269274" Type="47">Ms. Christine Normandin</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299642">I propose:</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299643">
                <Quote>
                  <QuotePara Align="Left" IndentFirst="2" IndentRest="2"> That those employees be authorized to participate through Zoom.</QuotePara>
                </Quote>
              </ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <FloorLanguage language="EN">[<I>English</I>]</FloorLanguage>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951039">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269268" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299644">Mr. Regan was also proposing something. </ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <FloorLanguage language="FR">[<I>Translation</I>]</FloorLanguage>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951045">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264225" Type="47">Hon. Geoff Regan</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299645">I propose a subamendment that would be added at the end of the motion. I would be fine with changes being made to terminology or wording in general. I propose:<Quote><QuotePara Align="Left" IndentFirst="2" IndentRest="2">that those assistants must not use their camera.</QuotePara></Quote></ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <FloorLanguage language="EN">[<I>English</I>]</FloorLanguage>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951047">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269268" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299646">Mr. Serré, did you want to say something?</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <FloorLanguage language="FR">[<I>Translation</I>]</FloorLanguage>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951048">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264226" Type="47">Mr. Marc Serré</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299647">Thank you, Madam Chair.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299648">If I understand correctly, and I would like the clerk to confirm, employees participate in our meeting by telephone. Members are the only ones to participate by video, while employees will participate by telephone, all through Zoom.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299649">I would like the clerk to confirm that this is indeed the procedure in the House of Commons.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <FloorLanguage language="EN">[<I>English</I>]</FloorLanguage>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951052">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269268" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299650">Just to clarify before we move forward, Ms. Normandin and Mr. Regan, are you proposing this amendment and subamendment to the motion on in camera meetings?</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951056">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264225" Type="47">Hon. Geoff Regan</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299651"> I suppose that's right. I guess I'm a little confused about this question of the phones. The question Mr. Serré was asking of the clerk is whether there is a technical problem with what Ms. Normandin is proposing or if it works fine. In fact, I suppose if we're not in camera, perhaps it's not necessary. Is that the case?</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="10951061">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269268" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299652"> Ms. Normandin, can you please clarify that?</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <FloorLanguage language="FR">[<I>Translation</I>]</FloorLanguage>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951062">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269274" Type="47">Ms. Christine Normandin</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299653">I probably would have actually added something at the end so that, during regular meetings, officials and employees can participate in the meeting through Zoom.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <FloorLanguage language="EN">[<I>English</I>]</FloorLanguage>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="10951070">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269268" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299654"> I just want to clarify to all committee members that if you want to speak, please either raise your hand on Zoom on the right-hand side of the screen or wave so I can recognize you.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299655">Ms. Martinez Ferrada.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <FloorLanguage language="FR">[<I>Translation</I>]</FloorLanguage>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951074">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264224" Type="47">Ms. Soraya Martinez Ferrada</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299656">I want to begin by saying that I am new to this committee.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299657">If I have understood correctly, according to the usual procedure, a staff member from the whip's office is allowed in the room, but we want to extent that rule to the entire staff.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299658">As far as I understand, there are no staff members in the room, only one member from each whip's office. Is that right?</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <FloorLanguage language="EN">[<I>English</I>]</FloorLanguage>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="10951096">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269268" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299659">I'll ask the clerk to clarify this.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951100">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264111" Type="27">The Clerk</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299660">Thank you so much, Madam Chair.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299661">Over the summer, the practice of committees was to follow two different procedures: one during public meetings and one in camera meetings.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299662">During public meetings, all staff could use the phone lines to listen to proceedings live. That way they wouldn't face the 45- to 90-second delay from ParlVu. During in camera meetings, only those who were present in the Zoom meeting had access to the video and audio. There was no ParlVu and no phone line. In the case of in camera meetings, I provided password access to the offices of the House leaders, the offices of the whips and to one designated representative from each of your offices. We permitted one party officer from each party to attend, as well as one of your members' assistants.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299663">That's the practice we established over the summer, and if members wish to cement that in a routine motion or to deviate from that for any reason, it would take a motion of the committee to do that. Otherwise, if the members adopt the routine motion as it was drafted in the last session, we would continue the practice of letting certain assistants attend the Zoom meetings during in camera meetings only. Otherwise they would need to call in to the phone line.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Timestamp Hr="11" Mn="40">(1140)</Timestamp>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="10951114">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269268" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299664"> Is everyone okay with the clarification provided by the clerk? </ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <FloorLanguage language="FR">[<I>Translation</I>]</FloorLanguage>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951115">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269274" Type="47">Ms. Christine Normandin</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299665">That seems clear. However, if we are ready have an amendment proposal on the table consolidating what has been done this summer we should adopt it right away.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <FloorLanguage language="EN">[<I>English</I>]</FloorLanguage>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="10951118">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269268" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299666"> Ms. Martinez Ferrada would like to speak to the motion being proposed by Ms. Normandin.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <FloorLanguage language="FR">[<I>Translation</I>]</FloorLanguage>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951121">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264224" Type="47">Ms. Soraya Martinez Ferrada</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299667">Madam Chair, my understanding is that no change of that kind has been made in another committee.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299668">Ms. Normandin, I am wondering whether you could withdraw your motion and talk about it with your party's whip. We can come back to this issue at a later date if we have to make that change.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951122">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269274" Type="47">Ms. Christine Normandin</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299669">I don't see any inconvenience to that. We talked about potentially adding it, since the whips have discussed the possibility of agents and employees being able to participate through Zoom.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299670">If this is in line with what was done this summer and all parties agree on it informally, I don't see an issue with withdrawing it. I would still like to make sure that we have that continuity and that employees can participate using Zoom.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <FloorLanguage language="EN">[<I>English</I>]</FloorLanguage>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="10951128">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269268" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299671"> Thank you, Ms. Normandin. </ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299672">Ms. Normandin is withdrawing her amendment. </ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299673">All those in favour of Ms. Normandin's withdrawing her amendment?</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299674">(Amendment withdrawn)</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299675">
                <B>The Chair:</B> Mr. Dhaliwal.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951133">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264222" Type="47">Mr. Sukh Dhaliwal</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299676">Did you take a vote on the original motion?</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="10951135">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269268" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299677">Can you please repeat it, so that we can vote on it? </ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951137">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264222" Type="47">Mr. Sukh Dhaliwal</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299678">The motion reads:</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299679">
                <Quote>
                  <QuotePara Align="Left" IndentFirst="2" IndentRest="2">That, unless otherwise ordered, each committee member be allowed to have one staff member at an in camera meeting and that one additional person from each House officer's office be allowed to be present.</QuotePara>
                </Quote>
              </ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="10951139">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269268" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299680">All those in favour of the motion?</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299681">Ms. Kwan.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951141">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264467" Type="47">Ms. Jenny Kwan</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299682">I'm not sure the “raise hand” feature is working, because I never get recognized. </ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299683">On this issue, and it's related to what Ms. Normandin was raising previously, it is my understanding that the whip's office is working with the House of Commons to accommodate the Zoom feature for staff, both in the whip's office as well as our own staff. While this is not an official component of PROC, I believe that work is underway. </ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299684">I wonder, as we proceed with or work at this committee, if we can come back to revisit this issue at the appropriate time. I do agree with Ms. Normandin. When staff is on the phone, there is a delay lag. It's different than what we normally have in a committee. Because of the COVID situation, we're having to do some of this work virtually, and therefore, allowing our staff to be able to connect in the same way as we do would be important. </ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="10951149">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269268" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299685">Thank you, Ms. Kwan. </ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299686">The phone line is live, and there are no delays on the phone line. I understand there is a delay of a minute on ParlVu, but there are no delays on the phone line. We will leave it up to PROC and the whips to decide on that. </ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299687">Right now we are on the motion proposed by Mr. Dhaliwal. If that matter is raised at PROC and by the whips, then we can look into it afterwards. </ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299688">All those in favour of the motion proposed by Mr. Dhaliwal?</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299689">(Motion agreed to)</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299690">
                <B>The Chair:</B> Mr. Dhaliwal</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Timestamp Hr="11" Mn="45">(1145)</Timestamp>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951157">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264222" Type="47">Mr. Sukh Dhaliwal</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299691">The next motion deals with transcripts of in camera meetings:</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299692">
                <Quote>
                  <QuotePara Align="Left" IndentFirst="2" IndentRest="2">That one copy of the transcript of each in camera meeting be kept in the committee clerk’s office for consultation by members of the committee or by their staff.</QuotePara>
                </Quote>
              </ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="10951160">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269268" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299693">All those in favour of the motion?</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299694">(Motion agreed to)</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299695">
                <B>The Chair:</B> Mr. Dhaliwal.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951162">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264222" Type="47">Mr. Sukh Dhaliwal</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299696">The next motion deals with notice of motion:</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299697">
                <Quote>
                  <QuotePara Align="Left" IndentFirst="2" IndentRest="2">That a 48 hours’ notice, interpreted as two nights, shall be required for any substantive motion to be considered by the committee, unless the substantive motion relates directly to business then under consideration, provided that: 1. the notice be filed with the clerk of the committee no later than 4:00 p.m. (EST) from Monday to Friday; 2. the motion be distributed to Members in both official languages by the clerk on the same day the said notice was transmitted if it was received no later than the deadline hour; and 3. notices received after the deadline hour or on non-business days be deemed to have been received during the next business day and that when the committee is travelling on official business, no substantive motions may be moved.</QuotePara>
                </Quote>
              </ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="10951169">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269268" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299698"> All those in favour of the motion?</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299699">(Motion agreed to)</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299700">
                <B>The Chair: </B>Mr. Dhaliwal.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951171">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264222" Type="47">Mr. Sukh Dhaliwal</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299701">The next motion deals with orders of reference from the House respecting bills: <Quote><QuotePara Align="Left" IndentFirst="2" IndentRest="2">That, in relation to orders of reference from the House respecting Bills, a. the clerk of the committee shall, upon the committee receiving such an order of reference, write to each Member who is not a member of a caucus represented on the committee to invite those members to file with the clerk of the committee, in both official languages, any amendments to the bill which is the subject of the said order which they would suggest that the committee consider; b) suggested amendments filed, pursuant to paragraph (a), at least 48 hours prior of the start of clause-by-clause consideration of the Bill to which the amendments relate shall be deemed to be proposed during the said consideration, provided that the committee may, by motion, vary this deadline in respect of a given Bill; and c) during the clause-by-clause consideration of a Bill, the chair shall allow a Member who filed suggested amendments, pursuant to paragraph (a), an opportunity to make brief representations in support of them.</QuotePara></Quote></ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="10951174">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269268" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299702">Just a reminder to all members that when you are voting, please raise your hand, so I can see whether you are in favour or against. </ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299703">All those in favour of the motion proposed by Mr. Dhaliwal?</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299704">(Motion agreed to [<I>See Minutes of Proceedings</I>])</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299705">
                <B>The Chair:</B> Mr. Dhaliwal.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951179">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264222" Type="47">Mr. Sukh Dhaliwal</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299706">The next motion deals with other in camera meetings:<Quote><QuotePara Align="Left" IndentFirst="2" IndentRest="2">That any motion to go in camera be debatable and amendable; and that the committee may only meet in camera for the following purposes: a. to consider a draft report; b. to attend briefings concerning national security; c. to consider lists of witnesses; and d. for any other reason with the unanimous consent of the committee; and, that all votes taken in camera with exception of votes regarding the consideration of draft reports be recorded in the Minutes of Proceedings including how each member voted when the recorded votes are requested.</QuotePara></Quote></ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Timestamp Hr="11" Mn="50">(1150)</Timestamp>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="10951184">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269268" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299707"> All those in favour of the motion?</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299708">(Motion agreed to [<I>See Minutes of Proceeding</I>s])</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299709">
                <B>The Chair:</B> We have adopted the routine motions.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299710"> I will keep a speaking list. We'll begin with Ms. Ferrada, followed by Mr. Serré and Ms. Dancho.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951199">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269273" Type="47">Ms. Raquel Dancho</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299711">Madam Chair, I think it's important that the official opposition be recognized first to speak. I would appreciate your consideration of that, at least before the second Liberal member speaks.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="10951201">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269268" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299712"> Thank you, Ms. Dancho. I will keep a speaking list as the hands are raised. The first one was Ms. Ferrada. </ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299713">I'm keeping a complete list, so if you want to speak, raise your hand.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299714">Go ahead, Ms. Ferrada.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <FloorLanguage language="FR">[<I>Translation</I>]</FloorLanguage>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951202">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264224" Type="47">Ms. Soraya Martinez Ferrada</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299715">Thank you, Madam Chair.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299716">I'm happy to see that we can finally resume the committee meeting. We are all very enthusiastic and happy to be able to begin studies that, I think, will be important for immigration issues.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299717">I would like to begin by moving a motion. I hope we can vote on the motion today, as the committee must quickly begin the work if it wants to do as much of it as possible. I hope that the committee members will agree with the motion.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299718">I will summarize the motion, and I could send it by email to the clerk, who could then send it to all the committee members.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299719">I propose:</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299720">
                <Quote>
                  <QuotePara Align="Left" IndentFirst="2" IndentRest="2">That pursuant to standing order 108(2), the committee conduct a study on the impact of the COVID-19 pandemic on immigration in Canada, that the study take into account the effects of the pandemic on international students, that the committee considers actions taken to address public health measures and exemptions affecting family reunification, including identifying best practices in the development of further assistance to international students, families, and foreign workers, that the committee hold at least 6 meetings to hear from witnesses; that the committee report its findings to the House; and that pursuant to Standing Order 109, the government table a comprehensive response thereto.</QuotePara>
                </Quote>
              </ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299721">This motion's objective now gives us the time to look at the impact of COVID-19 on the immigration system and all immigration programs.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299722">If you like, Madam Chair, I can send an email to the clerk with the motion, as it is written. I can send the English and the French versions to all committee members.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <FloorLanguage language="EN">[<I>English</I>]</FloorLanguage>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="10951216">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269268" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299723"> Mr. Clerk, could I get clarification on this? Could you distribute this motion to all members?</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951219">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264111" Type="27">The Clerk</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299724">Yes. Our office will contact the office of Ms. Martinez Ferrada and request the text of the motion. However, when the committee is considering committee business, members may move motions to propose studies without notice.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="10951221">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269268" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299725"> Do we email the motion to all members?</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951224">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264111" Type="27">The Clerk</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299726">As soon as I have it, we'll distribute it to all members directly, without delay.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="10951226">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269268" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299727"> Would anyone like to speak to the motion proposed by Ms. Martinez Ferrada?</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <FloorLanguage language="FR">[<I>Translation</I>]</FloorLanguage>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951227">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269274" Type="47">Ms. Christine Normandin</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299728">If I may, Madam Chair....</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <FloorLanguage language="EN">[<I>English</I>]</FloorLanguage>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="10951228">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269268" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299729"> Go ahead, Ms. Normandin.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <FloorLanguage language="FR">[<I>Translation</I>]</FloorLanguage>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951229">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269274" Type="47">Ms. Christine Normandin</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299730">I have a question about stewardship. There are some raised hands in the participant list. I understand that we are talking about speaking turns. How would it work if someone wanted to take the floor on the motion? I would like to know how we will operate in terms of speaking turns.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <FloorLanguage language="EN">[<I>English</I>]</FloorLanguage>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="10951230">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269268" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299731"> Between me and the clerk, we will keep a list. Now we have a motion proposed by Ms. Martinez Ferrada, and as per the clerk, we will keep a list of speakers, for anyone who would like to speak to this motion.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299732">Can I ask the clerk to clarify that?</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Timestamp Hr="11" Mn="55">(1155)</Timestamp>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951233">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264111" Type="27">The Clerk</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299733">As I see hands rise using the “raise hand” icon in Zoom, I'll take note of the name and message it directly to the chair. I'll attempt to keep track in that way. </ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299734">I see Mr. Regan's hand is physically up, so I'll take note of that.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="10951237">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269268" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299735"> Yes, Mr. Regan.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951238">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264225" Type="47">Hon. Geoff Regan</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299736">I have a point of order that I think might be helpful. </ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299737">I'm the chair of the Canada-China committee, and I find that when I'm chairing it via Zoom, I don't see the “raise hand” function unless the technicians make me a co-host. I don't know, Ms. Zahid, but I presume you're not seeing that “raise hand” function either, and that might help you to see it. Yes, it works for the clerk to advise you, but you might find it simpler if you saw the hands yourself and kept a list. I leave that to you and the clerk.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="10951242">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269268" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299738"> Thank you, Mr. Regan. I think I will work with the clerk on that for the next meeting. I think it's a good idea to have a co-host so that I can see this directly.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299739">We have Ms. Dancho on the list to speak to the motion.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299740">Ms. Dancho.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951244">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269273" Type="47">Ms. Raquel Dancho</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299741"> Thank you, Madam Chair.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299742">I appreciate the motion very much. In fact, I have a more comprehensive motion that encompasses the entirety of the Liberal motion. It does include a number of additions that have been discussed with other opposition parties that I think are extremely important to the benefit of all Canadians in terms of our immigration policy moving forward.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299743">I would like to adjourn debate on this motion and put forward my motion for discussion. Again, it overlaps so we might as well discuss the more fulsome one. I move to adjourn debate on this motion.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="10951499">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269268" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299744"> Thank you, Ms. Dancho.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299745">We will pause for a second.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <FloorLanguage language="FR">[<I>Translation</I>]</FloorLanguage>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951251">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264224" Type="47">Ms. Soraya Martinez Ferrada</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299746">I have a point of order, Madam Chair.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <FloorLanguage language="EN">[<I>English</I>]</FloorLanguage>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="10951257">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269268" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299747">Yes, Ms. Martinez Ferrada.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <FloorLanguage language="FR">[<I>Translation</I>]</FloorLanguage>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951258">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264224" Type="47">Ms. Soraya Martinez Ferrada</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299748">Madam Chair, I have moved a motion and I'm asking that a vote be held. If the committee members want to make amendments to the motion, I am open to discussing it, and I think that all the committee members are, as well.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299749">I think that we all agree on the study of the impact on immigration. In my view, members of the committee can discuss the details of this motion. My goal is for us to have a unanimous motion on an issue that affects us all. Regarding immigration, I think that we will find a consensus to pass a motion that brings together the concerns of committee members.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299750">I have moved a motion, and I am asking that it be put to a vote. If my colleagues would like to discuss it, I invite them to do so.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <FloorLanguage language="EN">[<I>English</I>]</FloorLanguage>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951271">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269273" Type="47">Ms. Raquel Dancho</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299751">Madam Chair, I put a motion on the floor to adjourn debate. Again, my motion encompasses what the Liberal motion includes, as well as some areas the Liberal motion has left out that are of key importance to opposition parties.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299752">Rather than amending a motion that is lacking about half of what it needs, I move to adjourn this debate on that motion so I can put forward my motion that is more encompassing.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="10951273">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269268" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299753">Thank you, Ms. Dancho.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299754">I want to clarify this with the clerk. Give us a second, please.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299755">Thank you, and sorry for the delay. I wanted to clarify this technical issue with the clerk.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299756"> The clerk will do a recorded vote on the motion proposed by Ms. Dancho to adjourn the debate.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Timestamp Hr="12" Mn="00">(1200)</Timestamp>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="10951801">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264111" Type="27">The Clerk</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299757"> I will call a recorded vote.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299758">(Motion agreed to: yeas 6; nays 5 [<I>See Minutes of Proceedings</I>])</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="10951802">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269268" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299759">The motion is adopted.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299760"> Go ahead, Ms Dancho.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951301">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269273" Type="47">Ms. Raquel Dancho</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299761">Thank you, Madam Chair.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299762">I wish to move a motion. This motion is in consideration of the overturn of the entire immigration system in the world and how many human lives are impacted by that both at home and abroad.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299763">In that context, I move:</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299764">
                <Quote>
                  <QuotePara Align="Left" IndentFirst="2" IndentRest="2">That, pursuant to standing order 108(2), the Standing Committee on Citizenship and Immigration commence a study on examining the impact of the ongoing COVID-19 pandemic on Canada’s immigration system, and that this study evaluate, review and examine all issues relevant to this situation, including the following: </QuotePara>
                  <QuotePara Align="Left" IndentFirst="2" IndentRest="2">1. application backlogs and processing times for the different streams of family reunification and the barriers preventing the timely reunification of loved ones, such as denials of temporary resident visas because of section 179(b) of the Immigration and Refugee Protection Regulations and the ongoing closures of Visa Application Centers;</QuotePara>
                  <QuotePara Align="Left" IndentFirst="2" IndentRest="2">2. examine the government’s decision to reintroduce a lottery system for the reunification of parents and grandparents; to compare it to previous iterations of application processes for this stream of family reunification, including a look at processing times and the criteria required for successful sponsorship;</QuotePara>
                  <QuotePara Align="Left" IndentFirst="2" IndentRest="2">3. temporary resident visa processing, authorization to travel to Canada by individuals with an expired Confirmation of Permanent Residency; use of expired security and background checks for permanent immigration;</QuotePara>
                </Quote>
              </ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951315">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264225" Type="47">Hon. Geoff Regan</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299765">I have a point of order.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="10951318">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269268" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299766"> One second, Ms. Dancho. We have a point of order.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299767">Go ahead, Mr. Regan, please.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951321">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264225" Type="47">Hon. Geoff Regan</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299768">I understand this is challenging for the interpreters, so I simply ask that Ms. Dancho slow down.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951322">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269273" Type="47">Ms. Raquel Dancho</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299769">I'll slow down, thank you—</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299770">
                <B>Hon. Geoff Regan:</B> It becomes a real problem for our interpreters.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299771">
                <B>Ms. Raquel Dancho:</B> —and I will try again. I appreciate that.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="10951323">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269268" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299772"> Ms. Dancho, speak a bit more slowly so that it's easier for the interpreters.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951325">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269273" Type="47">Ms. Raquel Dancho</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299773">Okay. The clerk does have a copy of this, so he can distribute it immediately.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299774">I will go more slowly, thank you. </ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299775">It continues: </ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299776">
                <Quote>
                  <QuotePara Align="Left" IndentFirst="2" IndentRest="2">—use of expired security and background checks for permanent immigration;</QuotePara>
                  <QuotePara Align="Left" IndentFirst="2" IndentRest="2">4. to expedite and facilitate the issuing of visas and study permits for international students and that this study pay particular attention to the difficulties encountered by certain groups of international students (such as students from francophone Africa) and to the usual administrative delays and additional delays caused by the COVID 19 pandemic;</QuotePara>
                  <QuotePara Align="Left" IndentFirst="2" IndentRest="2"> 5. refugee resettlement program, meeting the Government of Canada’s international commitments to settle convention refugees in Canada, work of Canadian civil society groups to bring privately sponsored refugees to Canada and to extend a life boat to the people of Hong Kong facing persecution under the new National Security Law;</QuotePara>
                  <QuotePara Align="Left" IndentFirst="2" IndentRest="2">6. severe and long-term economic impact of reduced immigration to Canada in 2020-2023;</QuotePara>
                  <QuotePara Align="Left" IndentFirst="2" IndentRest="2">7. administrative costs and delays related to Labour Market Impact Assessment (LMIA) applications under the Temporary Foreign Worker Program (TFWP) and consideration of possible solutions, including granting open work permits on a sector-by-sector basis to facilitate labour mobility; that LMIAs be biennial; that the duration of work permits be extended; that three-year work permits be extended annually;</QuotePara>
                  <QuotePara Align="Left" IndentFirst="2" IndentRest="2">8. technological capability of the Department of Immigration, Refugees and Citizenship Canada, Immigration and Refugee Board of Canada and Passport Canada to work remotely or virtually, meet service standards and enforce applicable laws.</QuotePara>
                </Quote>
              </ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Timestamp Hr="12" Mn="05">(1205)</Timestamp>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="10951327">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269268" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299777"> I'm sorry for interrupting, Ms. Dancho. Can you go a bit more slowly so that it's easier for the interpreters?</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951328">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269273" Type="47">Ms. Raquel Dancho</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299778">Slower? Okay. My apologies. </ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299779">It continues:</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299780">
                <Quote>
                  <QuotePara Align="Left" IndentFirst="2" IndentRest="2"> —and Refugee Board of Canada and Passport Canada to work remotely or virtually, meet service standards and enforce applicable laws.</QuotePara>
                  <QuotePara Align="Left" IndentFirst="2" IndentRest="2"> 9. that all testimonies received during a study pursuant to this motion be deemed included in further studies; </QuotePara>
                  <QuotePara Align="Left" IndentFirst="2" IndentRest="2">10. the two pilot projects for Caregivers introduced as of June 18, 2019: (1) Home Child Care Provider Pilot; and (2) Home Support Worker Pilot; that the study examines the criteria and its effect on the caregivers who are trying to qualify under these programs toward the path for permanent status; that the Committee report its findings to the House; and that, pursuant to Standing Order 109, the government table a comprehensive response thereto.</QuotePara>
                  <QuotePara Align="Left" IndentFirst="2" IndentRest="2"> 11. that this study begin no later than October 27, 2020, that the Committee table its findings in the House upon completion and that, pursuant to Standing Order 109, the government table a comprehensive response thereto.</QuotePara>
                </Quote>
              </ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="10951335">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269268" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299781"> Thank you, Ms. Dancho.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299782">I have a speaking list. Next is Mr. Serré.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <FloorLanguage language="FR">[<I>Translation</I>]</FloorLanguage>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951337">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264226" Type="47">Mr. Marc Serré</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299783">Thank you, Madam Chair.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299784">Thank you for the motion, Ms. Dancho. There is a lot of information there, and I missed a large portion of what was said.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299785">Would it be possible, with the clerk's assistance, to submit our motions to the subcommittee for consideration?</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299786">I want to make sure to have a French version of this motion, as well.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <FloorLanguage language="EN">[<I>English</I>]</FloorLanguage>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951340">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269273" Type="47">Ms. Raquel Dancho</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299787">Madam Chair, I'd like to respond.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="10951341">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269268" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299788"> We have a speaking list, so....</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951342">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269273" Type="47">Ms. Raquel Dancho</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299789">I just want to reiterate that the clerk did have the motion as of early this morning. He can email it.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="10951343">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269268" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299790"> Thank you, Ms. Dancho.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299791">We have a speaking list, so we will go by that.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299792">However, I think the members have not been provided with a copy of the motion.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299793">Next on the list we have Ms. Normandin, and then we have Ms. Kwan.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <FloorLanguage language="FR">[<I>Translation</I>]</FloorLanguage>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951344">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269274" Type="47">Ms. Christine Normandin</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299794">I had raised my hand to talk about another motion. I just wanted to move my own motions without putting them to the vote. I will still use this opportunity to speak to this motion.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <FloorLanguage language="EN">[<I>English</I>]</FloorLanguage>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="10951347">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269268" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299795">[<I>Technical difficulty--Editor</I>]</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <FloorLanguage language="FR">[<I>Translation</I>]</FloorLanguage>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951350">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269274" Type="47">Ms. Christine Normandin</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299796">May I continue?</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <FloorLanguage language="EN">[<I>English</I>]</FloorLanguage>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="10951351">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269268" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299797"> Yes, Ms. Normandin.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <FloorLanguage language="FR">[<I>Translation</I>]</FloorLanguage>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951352">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269274" Type="47">Ms. Christine Normandin</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299798">Thank you.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299799">You will notice that the motion as such takes up a number of study topics we ourselves proposed as motions, and that's good. It also states that testimonies can be reused in other studies. That's also very good.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299800">I have one or two questions, as I have a few concerns. First, how will we establish the priority of various topics to be studied? After all, there are several of them. So, if the motion is passed, what will we start with and how will we decide? Will we start with family reunification or with foreign workers? There are a number of issues to discuss.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299801">Second, how much time do we want this study to take up? I think it's worthwhile to have a general study that will help us prioritize what we want to study in more depth afterwards, but the general study should not take so much time as to leave us none for that in-depth study.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299802">So that is something I would like to raise.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <FloorLanguage language="EN">[<I>English</I>]</FloorLanguage>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="10951355">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269268" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299803"> Thank you, Ms. Normandin.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299804">Ms. Kwan, please.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Timestamp Hr="12" Mn="10">(1210)</Timestamp>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951357">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264467" Type="47">Ms. Jenny Kwan</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299805">Madam Chair, I wonder if Ms. Dancho could respond to Ms. Normandin's questions, and then I will speak after that.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="10951358">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269268" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299806"> We have a speaking list, so if you want to speak to it.... Because I have Mr. Dhaliwal after you, we will go by the speaking list.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951359">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264467" Type="47">Ms. Jenny Kwan</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299807">All right, thank you.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299808">Then I guess my question also is with regard to the different components in the large motion. How would we prioritize those different components? Are they prioritized in the order in which they were read? Therefore, as the committee proceeds with its work, if this motion is passed, the committee could almost do the work in little chunks, if you will, according to the list that was read out.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299809">The other question I have is this: If this motion were to pass, what will the full duration of this study be? If we begin on October 27, how many meetings will be allocated to the full committee component?</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299810">Once we have a response on that, at the appropriate time I would like to move an amendment to the motion, if I may, in reference to item number 5, which speaks about the “refugee resettlement program, meeting the Government of Canada's international commitments to settle convention refugees in Canada, work of Canadian civil society groups to bring privately sponsored [groups of] refugees to Canada”. I'd like to add another component to it, and that is to extend a lifeboat to the people of Hong Kong who are facing persecution under the new national security law. I'd like to move this amendment to the large motion because I think this is an important piece that we should study under the refugee aspect. I'm aware that the—</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <FloorLanguage language="FR">[<I>Translation</I>]</FloorLanguage>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951369">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264224" Type="47">Ms. Soraya Martinez Ferrada</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299811">Madam Chair, I have a point of order.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <FloorLanguage language="EN">[<I>English</I>]</FloorLanguage>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951370">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269268" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299812"> Yes, Ms. Martinez Ferrada.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <FloorLanguage language="FR">[<I>Translation</I>]</FloorLanguage>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951372">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264224" Type="47">Ms. Soraya Martinez Ferrada</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299813">Madam Chair, I am a bit uncomfortable with the fact that some committee members received a copy of the motion this morning and can propose amendments based on wording we cannot comment on—</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <FloorLanguage language="EN">[<I>English</I>]</FloorLanguage>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951373">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269273" Type="47">Ms. Raquel Dancho</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299814">I have a point of order, Madam Chair.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <FloorLanguage language="FR">[<I>Translation</I>]</FloorLanguage>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951375">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264224" Type="47">Ms. Soraya Martinez Ferrada</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299815">Madam Chair, I made a—</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <FloorLanguage language="EN">[<I>English</I>]</FloorLanguage>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951377">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269273" Type="47">Ms. Raquel Dancho</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299816">We did not have the Liberal motion that was tabled this morning, which they tried to bring forward. They are asking for something they did not do in the first place. That's not acceptable—</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <FloorLanguage language="FR">[<I>Translation</I>]</FloorLanguage>
          <Intervention Type="Debate" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10952635">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264224" Type="47">Ms. Soraya Martinez Ferrada</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299817">Madam Chair, no one—</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <FloorLanguage language="EN">[<I>English</I>]</FloorLanguage>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951378">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264225" Type="47">Hon. Geoff Regan</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299818">Order, order, Madam Chair. We already have a point of order on the floor. It's one at a time.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951380">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269268" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299819">One person speaks at a time. Please raise your hand and I will recognize you one at a time. Please try not to speak over the other members.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951381">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269273" Type="47">Ms. Raquel Dancho</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299820">Understood.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299821">Madam Chair, the Liberals are bringing forward some criticism that doesn't apply to their own motion this morning. They've not provided a copy to all members. At least the Conservatives provided this motion this morning to the clerk. It was provided to the other opposition parties as well. We actually did more than the Liberals are criticizing us for right now. It's a moot point.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951382">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269268" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299822">Thank you, Ms. Dancho.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299823">The clerk got the motion—</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <FloorLanguage language="FR">[<I>Translation</I>]</FloorLanguage>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951384">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264224" Type="47">Ms. Soraya Martinez Ferrada</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299824">Madam Chair, I would like to finish my point of order—</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <FloorLanguage language="EN">[<I>English</I>]</FloorLanguage>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951385">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269268" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299825">Ms. Martinez Ferrada, just let me speak for a second to clarify this.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299826">I have checked with the clerk. The motion was received and is being translated. Until it is translated, the text of the motion proposed by Ms. Dancho cannot be circulated without unanimous consent.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299827">The motion is in the process of being translated. I just want to clarify that.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299828">Yes, Ms. Martinez Ferrada, you were speaking.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <FloorLanguage language="FR">[<I>Translation</I>]</FloorLanguage>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951389">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264224" Type="47">Ms. Soraya Martinez Ferrada</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299829">Madam Chair, the point of order concerns the fact that, when I moved my motion, I specified that I would have the motion sent by email to all the members, through the clerk, to ensure that everyone has had an opportunity to read it.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299830">If I have understood correctly, some members of the committee have already received the motion, probably sent by the Conservative Party members. I propose that, to ensure that our work is effective, we need to wait to receive the motion in writing before making the necessary amendments to it—</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <FloorLanguage language="EN">[<I>English</I>]</FloorLanguage>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951392">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269273" Type="47">Ms. Raquel Dancho</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299831">On a point of order, Madam Chair, I would like to address the speculation of the Liberal member.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951393">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269268" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299832">Ms. Dancho, just one second. She is already speaking on a point of order, so let her finish. Then we can go—</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951395">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269273" Type="47">Ms. Raquel Dancho</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299833">I would like to address the speculation—</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951397">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269268" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299834">—to the other one. Let her speak.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299835">If one member is speaking on a point of order, another member cannot intervene on that meanwhile. We have to wait for Ms. Martinez Ferrada to finish.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299836">Ms. Martinez Ferrada, please proceed.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Timestamp Hr="12" Mn="15">(1215)</Timestamp>
          <FloorLanguage language="FR">[<I>Translation</I>]</FloorLanguage>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951398">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264224" Type="47">Ms. Soraya Martinez Ferrada</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299837">As I was saying, I think that my privilege as a member of the committee is not being respected if I cannot have access to a motion to which I can propose amendments.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299838">Ms. Dancho read the entire text. Unfortunately, I cannot remember all of it. So I want us to collaboratively ask the person who moves the motion to have it sent to us in French and in English, so that committee members who want to propose necessary amendments can do so.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <FloorLanguage language="EN">[<I>English</I>]</FloorLanguage>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951406">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269268" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299839">Thank you, Ms. Martinez Ferrada.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299840">Ms. Dancho, you have a point of order.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951407">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269273" Type="47">Ms. Raquel Dancho</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299841">Madam Chair, I do appreciate the member's comments. The clerk is able to send the English version. We do have a French, translated version as well. It's just not quite complete.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299842">Can the clerk chime in on how long that remaining translation of about two lines is going to take?</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951408">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269268" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299843">Thank you, Ms. Dancho.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299844">I just want to clarify one technical thing. Notices cannot technically be given before the committee has elected a chair.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299845">Right now we have an amendment proposed by Ms. Kwan on the floor.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299846">Would anyone like to speak to that amendment by Ms. Kwan?</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951409">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264467" Type="47">Ms. Jenny Kwan</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299847">Sorry, Madam Chair, I was cut off by a point of order before I finished all of my comments. May I finish?</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951410">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269268" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299848">Yes, please.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951411">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264467" Type="47">Ms. Jenny Kwan</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299849">Thank you very much.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299850">Speaking again on my amendment, I'm aware that the Canada-China committee has also resumed its work. However, with respect to this amendment that I'm proposing, I only want to focus on the immigration aspects related to the people of Hong Kong. As we know, there is an urgent situation happening in Hong Kong. I think it would be appropriate for our committee to study this aspect within the larger context of the refugee resettlement programming so that we can put a clear immigration focus to—</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <FloorLanguage language="FR">[<I>Translation</I>]</FloorLanguage>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951412">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269274" Type="47">Ms. Christine Normandin</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299851">Madam Chair, I have a point of order.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <FloorLanguage language="EN">[<I>English</I>]</FloorLanguage>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="10951414">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269268" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299852"> Yes, Ms. Normandin.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <FloorLanguage language="FR">[<I>Translation</I>]</FloorLanguage>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951418">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269274" Type="47">Ms. Christine Normandin</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299853">I just wanted to know where we are at in terms of the receivability of both the Liberals' motion and the Conservatives' motion, which have not been distributed in both official languages. That has not been clarified. I only want to make sure that we are debating correctly, as, to my knowledge, only my motions have been distributed officially in both languages. I would not want something to be applied to one party, but not to the others.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299854">In short, two motions are not being distributed in both official languages. Either they should both be accepted, or neither one of them should be accepted. I just want to know where we are at right now.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <FloorLanguage language="EN">[<I>English</I>]</FloorLanguage>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="10951420">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269268" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299855">Thank you, Ms. Normandin.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299856">I want to clarify what I said before. The clerk has clarified that notices are permitted before the election of the chair. However, there is no notice period and motions may not be moved until after the election of the chair. The two motions that have been moved by the Liberals and the Conservatives are thus okay.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299857">I will ask the clerk to comment on this.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299858">It's over to the clerk. Please clarify this.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951425">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264111" Type="27">The Clerk</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299859">I hope to.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299860">Members may place motions on notice. Until the election of the chair there is no notice period, because requiring a notice period is a routine motion that the committee adopts for itself. </ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299861">However, it is also the practice—and the committee has adopted a routine motion—that provided that it relates to the ongoing debate, members may move motions without notice. Presently, the committee is considering committee business, and so motions to propose studies for future business are in order even if they are moved without notice. </ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299862">It is understandable that members would want to have text of the motions. Our practice is also to distribute them only when they're available in both official languages. </ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299863">I recall Ms. Dancho's question inquiring how long it would take for the translation. I don't know precisely, but we've made the request. Our intention, our plan and our instruction is to distribute them to all members as soon as they're available in both official languages. </ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299864">I don't encourage it, but if the committee agreed by unanimous consent to distribute a document in one official language, then I would be compelled to do so. It would, though, take the unanimous consent of the entire committee to do something like that.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Timestamp Hr="12" Mn="20">(1220)</Timestamp>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="10951437">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269268" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299865">I hope that clarifies the situation.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299866">We have Mr. Dhaliwal on the list, and then Ms. Normandin.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951442">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264222" Type="47">Mr. Sukh Dhaliwal</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299867">Thank you, Madam Chair.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299868">I agree more with MP Normandin than with Madam Kwan when the latter is talking about the Hong Kong part of the topic.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299869">However, when it comes to MP Dancho's motion, it's wide open to studying almost everything that this department has ever done and will probably ever do. There's no focus—</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951447">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269273" Type="47">Ms. Raquel Dancho</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299870">On a point of order, Madam Chair, the member is making generalizations about my statement.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299871">I just want to be clear that the 10 clauses in here are the ones that are supremely affected by the pandemic. It is the duty of the committee and the department of immigration to cooperate and study these matters that affect human lives.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="10951448">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269268" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299872">Thank you.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299873">Mr. Dhaliwal.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951450">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264222" Type="47">Mr. Sukh Dhaliwal</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299874">Madam Chair, I fully support saving lives so that Canadians can be healthy. There is never an issue with that. However, her motion is so wide open that we would study, as I said, almost everything this department, the IRCC, has ever done and will ever do. </ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299875">I think we should have motions that are focused and time-sensitive, saying in this motion, as number one, that “this is the time we are going to spend on this study”. </ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299876">That's the way I would like to see it.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="10951452">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269268" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299877">Thank you, Mr. Dhaliwal.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299878">I want to let all the members know that right now we have an amendment proposed by Ms. Kwan. We can only speak to that amendment.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299879">We have Ms. Normandin on the list.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <FloorLanguage language="FR">[<I>Translation</I>]</FloorLanguage>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951454">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269274" Type="47">Ms. Christine Normandin</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299880">Thank you.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299881">As a member of the Bloc, I'm troubled by something. In fact, it makes me a bit uneasy. It's not the substance of the motions; it's the fact that the French versions aren't available in either case. If I weren't bilingual, I might have trouble following the discussion right now. I understand the motions, and I'm able to comment on the basis of what I've received and what's been said in English, with the help of the interpreters, but that isn't an official translation. If I spoke only French, I'd feel as though my ability to do my job as a parliamentarian had been thwarted.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299882">This is my question: if we don't receive the translated versions of the motions very soon, wouldn't it be appropriate to postpone this debate? I won't make it a motion, but I am asking the question. I feel I must address the issue of bilingualism. Both official languages have to be on equal footing.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299883">I'd have no problem carrying on with the debate if we had a better sense of how long it's going to take before we get the translated versions. If it's in the next few minutes, I'm fine with extending the meeting.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <FloorLanguage language="EN">[<I>English</I>]</FloorLanguage>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="10951459">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269268" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299884"> Thank you, Ms. Normandin.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299885">We have a speaking order, so please, Ms. Dancho, we will come to you.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951462">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269273" Type="47">Ms. Raquel Dancho</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299886">We have a translated version that's available and will be sending that around shortly.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951467">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269268" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299887"> We have a speaking order, so please raise your hand and I will recognize you. </ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299888">We have Mr. Serré on the list.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <FloorLanguage language="FR">[<I>Translation</I>]</FloorLanguage>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951468">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264226" Type="47">Mr. Marc Serré</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299889">Thank you, Madam Chair.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299890">I just wanted to comment on what Ms. Normandin said. I appreciate how important Ms. Dancho's motion is, as is the need to prioritize. It's difficult to do that, however, when it comes to Ms. Dancho's motion and Ms. Kwan's amendment, since we don't have the French versions of what was distributed in English. I, myself, understand English and French, but I tend to read the French for content.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299891">Could we not put the debate on hold today, as Ms. Normandin suggested, to make sure we get the translated motions and have the opportunity to really digest the content at another meeting? There's no rush, and we need to be sure we have all the information in hand. I don't want members to start submitting unilingual motions on the Standing Committee on Citizenship and Immigration. This isn't a precedent we should be setting. Having the French versions of both motions is important so we can look at them in detail and make sure they're consistent.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299892">I therefore move that we suspend debate, as Ms. Normandin suggested, to give the committee a chance to digest the content in English and in French.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Timestamp Hr="12" Mn="25">(1225)</Timestamp>
          <FloorLanguage language="EN">[<I>English</I>]</FloorLanguage>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951471">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269268" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299893"> Yes, Mr. Serré.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299894"> There is a motion by Mr. Serré.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299895"> Are you moving this motion, Mr. Serré, to suspend the debate?</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951472">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269273" Type="47">Ms. Raquel Dancho</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299896">Madam Chair, we still have to vote on MP Kwan's amendment. I move to vote on her amendment.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951473">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269268" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299897"> Thank you, Ms. Dancho.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299898">We have an amendment by Ms. Kwan on the floor. Would anyone like to speak to the amendment?</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951475">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269273" Type="47">Ms. Raquel Dancho</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299899">Madam Chair, can we vote?</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951476">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269268" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299900"> We can vote on the amendment proposed by Ms. Kwan.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299901">(Amendment agreed to [<I>See Minutes of Proceedings</I>])</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299902">
                <B>The Chair:</B> We have Ms. Dancho on the list.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951477">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269273" Type="47">Ms. Raquel Dancho</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299903"> Madam Chair, further to the study, I would point out that it has more specifics than the Liberal motion had when it was proposed. Moreover, no member had a copy of the Liberal motion, aside from the Liberal members. At the very least, we have distributed our motion in English to the opposition party members, as well as a French translation that we have just finished. It's not the official translation, but hopefully my Bloc colleague will appreciate our efforts in this regard. </ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299904">I would also like to point out that we are operating in this Zoom virtual committee setting per the direction of the Liberal government, and should we have been in the same room as in normal circumstances, it would have been easier to distribute paper copies to everyone in advance and currently, as we're getting the translation.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299905">I'd appreciate it if we could move forward. I move to vote on my motion.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="10951481">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269268" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299906"> Ms. Martinez Ferrada.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <FloorLanguage language="FR">[<I>Translation</I>]</FloorLanguage>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951483">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264224" Type="47">Ms. Soraya Martinez Ferrada</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299907">Madam Chair, as I mentioned earlier, the members of the committee can't do their jobs properly if they don't have the motions in both official languages. If we can't read the motions and put forward amendments in an informed way, in order to do our jobs as parliamentarians, I move that debate be suspended.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <FloorLanguage language="EN">[<I>English</I>]</FloorLanguage>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951486">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269273" Type="47">Ms. Raquel Dancho</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299908">Madam Chair, I have moved a motion to vote on my motion.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951488">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264225" Type="47">Hon. Geoff Regan</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299909">On a point of order, there is no such— </ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="10951489">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269268" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299910"> Ms. Dancho, Ms. Normandin has proposed a motion to adjourn the debate. </ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299911">All those in favour of the motion to adjourn the debate—</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951490">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269273" Type="47">Ms. Raquel Dancho</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299912">No, Madam Chair, that is incorrect. MP Normandin did not move to adjourn debate.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <FloorLanguage language="FR">[<I>Translation</I>]</FloorLanguage>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951491">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269274" Type="47">Ms. Christine Normandin</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299913">That's right. I didn't move anything formally.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951492">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264226" Type="47">Mr. Marc Serré</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299914">I did.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Debate" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951593">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269274" Type="47">Ms. Christine Normandin</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299915">Thank you.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <FloorLanguage language="EN">[<I>English</I>]</FloorLanguage>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="10951493">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269268" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299916"> Just one second....</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951494">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269273" Type="47">Ms. Raquel Dancho</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299917">Mr. Serré did not put forward a motion to adjourn.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="10951495">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269268" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299918">Just one second. </ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299919">Ms. Martinez Ferrada, did you move the motion to adjourn the debate?</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951496">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269273" Type="47">Ms. Raquel Dancho</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299920">Madam Chair, I have a point of order. I put forward my motion to vote on my motion prior to Madame Martinez Ferrada's motion.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951497">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264225" Type="47">Hon. Geoff Regan</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299921">I have a point of order. There is no such motion; there's no such thing as moving to vote now.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Timestamp Hr="12" Mn="30">(1230)</Timestamp>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="10951498">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269268" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299922"> Let me clarify this with the clerk.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299923">Ms. Dancho, we cannot move the motion to vote because there are members on the speaking list.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299924">Yes, Mr. Dhaliwal.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951502">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264222" Type="47">Mr. Sukh Dhaliwal</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299925">Madam Chair, we have the motion on the floor to adjourn the debate, and it is not debatable, so let us vote on this immediately.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="10951505">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269268" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299926"> You are proposing a motion to adjourn the debate, Mr. Dhaliwal?</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951507">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264222" Type="47">Mr. Sukh Dhaliwal</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299927">Yes, please.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="10951509">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269268" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299928"> We have a motion on the floor to adjourn the debate. </ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299929">Can we have a recorded vote on that please, Clerk?</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951517">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264111" Type="27">The Clerk</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299930">The question is on the motion by Mr. Dhaliwal to adjourn the debate.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299931">(Motion negatived: nays 6; yeas 5)</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="10951531">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269268" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299932"> Ms. Normandin.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <FloorLanguage language="FR">[<I>Translation</I>]</FloorLanguage>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951532">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269274" Type="47">Ms. Christine Normandin</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299933">I believe a French version is being distributed. I think the clerks are about to send it out formally. Can someone confirm that?</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <FloorLanguage language="EN">[<I>English</I>]</FloorLanguage>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="10951533">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269268" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299934">Clerk, can I check with you on whether or not you received a copy of the motion in English and French?</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951534">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264111" Type="27">The Clerk</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299935">I'm just checking now. One moment, please.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299936">In the last minutes, we have not received an email from Ms. Dancho's office.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951537">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269273" Type="47">Ms. Raquel Dancho</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299937">I apologize, Mr. Clerk, but I'm looking right now at the email we sent you. It was a number of minutes ago. Would you mind checking again?</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951539">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264111" Type="27">The Clerk</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299938">Yes, of course.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951540">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269273" Type="47">Ms. Raquel Dancho</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299939">Thank you. It was at 11:23. That was 10 minutes ago. There are English and French versions there. My staff are doing their best to use their French skills.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951541">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264111" Type="27">The Clerk</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299940">I'll ask the committee assistant to take a look at all of our correspondence and confirm with me. I'll advise the chair directly. When we find it, we'll distribute it without delay to the committee. We already have instructions to do that. We'll make sure it goes out the door immediately. We're actively looking for it right now.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="10951542">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269268" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299941">Ms. Normandin.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <FloorLanguage language="FR">[<I>Translation</I>]</FloorLanguage>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951543">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269274" Type="47">Ms. Christine Normandin</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299942">I voted against the motion because I didn't want the meeting to end abruptly if we were about to receive the translated version. I would, however, move that the sitting be suspended momentarily, just long enough to receive the motion.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <FloorLanguage language="EN">[<I>English</I>]</FloorLanguage>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="10951544">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269268" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299943">We have Ms. Normandin's motion to suspend the meeting for a few minutes. All in—</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Timestamp Hr="12" Mn="35">(1235)</Timestamp>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951545">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264467" Type="47">Ms. Jenny Kwan</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299944">Madam Chair, can I interject for a minute?</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="10951546">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269268" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299945">We have a motion by Ms. Normandin to suspend the meeting for a few minutes.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299946">All those in favour?</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299947">(Motion agreed to)</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299948">
                <B>The Chair:</B> The meeting is suspended for five minutes.</ParaText>
              <Pause>
                <StartPause>
                  <Timestamp Hr="12" Mn="35">(1235)</Timestamp>
                </StartPause>
                <EndPause>
                  <Timestamp Hr="12" Mn="45">(1245)</Timestamp>
                </EndPause>
              </Pause>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="10951571">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269268" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299949"> I would like to restart the meeting.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299950">Ms. Dancho.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951572">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269273" Type="47">Ms. Raquel Dancho</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299951">Thank you, Madam Chair, I appreciate that.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="10951573">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269268" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299952"> We have a point of order.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299953">Mr. Serré.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951574">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264226" Type="47">Mr. Marc Serré</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299954">Yes, thank you, Madam Chair.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299955">I wanted to give an opportunity for the honourable member Dancho to correct the record. Earlier her comment was a bit insulting of Parliament, in her saying that the reason we are meeting via Zoom is the Liberal government and COVID. It was the will of Parliament to meet by Zoom and to have a hybrid Parliament. </ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299956">Also, I would like her to clarify for the record that she is stating that we should have all 338 MPs physically present in Parliament. </ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299957">There is a reason we have Zoom. </ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299958">I want a clarification because for the member to put all on this on the Liberal government is misleading and false.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951577">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269273" Type="47">Ms. Raquel Dancho</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299959">Madam Chair, I'm happy to respond.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951579">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264226" Type="47">Mr. Marc Serré</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299960">We could debate this all day, but it's insulting to an MP. The alternative is for us all to be present in Parliament.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299961">We chose this as Parliament and as the government. Yes, we would all like to be present in the House of Commons, but because of the pandemic and the risks of travelling from coast to coast to coast, it would not be safe to do so.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951580">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269273" Type="47">Ms. Raquel Dancho</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299962">Madam Chair, this is moving into debate. I wish to address the concerns.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951582">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264226" Type="47">Mr. Marc Serré</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299963">Thank you for the time, Madam Chair.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="10951583">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269268" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299964">Ms. Dancho.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951584">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269273" Type="47">Ms. Raquel Dancho</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299965"> Thank you, Madam Chair. I appreciate the member's comments.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299966"> I don't wish to insult Parliament. I completely understand the pandemic and I wish to withdraw that comment.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299967">The second thing I'd like to talk about is the prioritization suggested by Madame Normandin. It is a good point. I believe the standard procedure for a committee is that the clerk works with the chair and vice-chairs. I would also suggest that our NDP colleague should develop a work plan that works well to allow for robust discussion on each of the 10 items in my motion. Each item is equally important.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299968">With that I move to vote on this motion.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="10951585">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269268" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299969"> Thank you, Ms. Dancho.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299970">I have a list of people who would like to speak, so you cannot move on—</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951586">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269273" Type="47">Ms. Raquel Dancho</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299971">Madam Chair, if that is the case, I move to extend the time. We are running out of time. We have lost 10 minutes to technicalities and 13 minutes to a suspension.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="10951589">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269268" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299972"> We have a speaking list, so we will go with it. Meanwhile, I will clarify with the clerk the time that we have. </ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299973"> We have Mr. Dhaliwal next and then Ms. Kwan.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951591">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264222" Type="47">Mr. Sukh Dhaliwal</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299974">Madam Chair, MP Dancho was saying that we should extend the meeting, but we are all busy with other things. I have another committee meeting to go to and other meetings set up, so I would not be able to support going beyond 10 o'clock.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="10951597">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269268" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299975"> We have Ms. Kwan on the list. Ms Kwan, please.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951599">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264467" Type="47">Ms. Jenny Kwan</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299976">Thank you very much. I will be very brief: I will support the motion.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299977">The length of the motion, how many meetings to hold and the order of the subcomponents of the motion should be determined at subcommittee.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="10951601">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269268" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299978"> We have Ms. Martinez Ferrada next on the list.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <FloorLanguage language="FR">[<I>Translation</I>]</FloorLanguage>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951604">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264224" Type="47">Ms. Soraya Martinez Ferrada</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299979">Thank you, Madam Chair.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299980">I need some clarification, please.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299981">First, I'm new to Parliament and to the committee, so there's something I don't understand. I sent my motion to the committee's general mailbox well before my fellow member asked for a vote. I feel that my privilege as a member has been violated because members voted on a motion they weren't even able to receive. I sent the email at least 45 minutes before Ms. Dancho sent hers.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299982">Second, if we are discussing Ms. Dancho's motion, I'd like to address each of the points and propose amendments so it takes into account changes we think are necessary. I'm not sure how you'd like to proceed, but I'd like to discuss amendments to each of the points in the motion.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299983">Third, I have a question for the other members, especially those from the Bloc Québécois and the NDP. It's about all of these motions. I'd like to hear their thoughts on how much time should be allocated to a study like this and which issues should be prioritized. It's pretty clear to me that there's enough content to take us into next year.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299984">I gather that Ms. Dancho bundled all of the motions that the previous committee had voted on into a single package. That was very generous of her, but I don't think we'll be able to make progress on immigration issues if we can't take a deeper dive into those we feel are more important. We agree on many of them. I just think we need to talk it over and fine-tune a few things, such as figuring out a list of priorities and a time frame.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299985">Last, I'd like some clarification from the clerk on procedure. Can a motion be voted on before it has even been received and read by members? They voted solely on the basis of a discussion, without having the actual document, which had already been sent out quite a few minutes before.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Timestamp Hr="12" Mn="50">(1250)</Timestamp>
          <FloorLanguage language="EN">[<I>English</I>]</FloorLanguage>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="10951609">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269268" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299986"> Thank you, Ms. Martinez Ferrada. </ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299987">I have Ms. Dhillon next on the list, followed by Mr. Regan and Ms. Dancho.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951611">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264223" Type="47">Ms. Anju Dhillon (Dorval—Lachine—LaSalle, Lib.)</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299988"> I agree with my colleague, Soraya, that we should meet some time to study this motion. We only got the French version a few minutes ago. There are very detailed things in it. Some clarification is necessary. As Mr. Dhaliwal said, we have other obligations as well. I can't stay past one o'clock, so I don't know what I'm going to do. We should postpone this to another meeting.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299989">Furthermore, I see several points here that make no sense. Should I get into that or not? </ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299990">Point 7 doesn't fall under CIMM at all. </ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299991">Point 9 is so broad and open. It says “that all testimonies received during a study pursuant to this motion be deemed included and further studies.” What does that mean? Does that mean you pick and choose, and select what parts of the present study are going to go into future studies? Which future, which studies? Can things be picked and chosen, if this is passed without any clarification?</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299992">There are a number of points here that require a lot of clarification. I don't think we can do that today, and I don't think it's fair to ask people to stay beyond one o'clock when we have other obligations. I really hope we can put this aside for another time.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="10951619">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269268" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299993"> Mr. Regan, you are next.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951620">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264225" Type="47">Hon. Geoff Regan</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299994"> Thank you very much, Madam Chair.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299995">While I agree with the comments of Madam Martinez Ferrada and Ms. Dhillon on the motion, I would like to move to amend point four in the motion, deleting the words “to expedite and facilitate the”, and replacing them with “the facilitation and”. I also move to delete the words “the difficulties encountered by certain groups of”, and to replace them “with special attention to the experience of groups of”.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299996">In this way I think that we would not be prejudging the answers we're going to get. We want to have an open examination to hear the experiences of people, and the experience with international students is an important issue and matter of concern. I come from a city—Halifax—where we have a large number of universities, in a province where international students play a very important role economically as well as academically, so I think that broadening the wording of this would be valuable.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Timestamp Hr="12" Mn="55">(1255)</Timestamp>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="10951625">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269268" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6299997"> Thank you, Mr. Regan.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299998">We have an amendment on the floor.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6299999">Ms. Dancho, then Mr. Dhaliwal.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951629">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269273" Type="47">Ms. Raquel Dancho</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6300000">I move to vote on Mr. Regan's amendment.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951633">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264225" Type="47">Hon. Geoff Regan</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6300001">Madam Chair, on a point of order, I think what Madam Dancho has essentially tried to do a few times now is to move the previous question when she uses the phrase “move to vote”. I think the clerk will confirm that you can't do that in a committee in this situation. I don't think you can in any situation.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="10951635">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269268" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6300002">Thank you, Mr. Regan for clarifying that.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6300003">I will repeat that when we have either an amendment or a motion on the floor and we have a speaking list, we cannot move to vote on that amendment or motion until the debate collapses.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6300004">We have Mr. Dhaliwal on the list.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951637">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264222" Type="47">Mr. Sukh Dhaliwal</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6300005">Thank you, Madam Chair.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6300006">I would like to amend paragraph one of the motion, when it comes to family reunification—</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="10951638">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269268" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6300007">Mr. Dhaliwal, I'm sorry for interrupting. We have an amendment on the floor proposed by Mr. Regan, so we are dealing with that amendment now.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951640">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264222" Type="47">Mr. Sukh Dhaliwal</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6300008">Madam Chair, I would also like to propose an amendment.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="10951641">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269268" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6300009">Are you proposing a subamendment to Mr. Regan's amendment?</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951642">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264222" Type="47">Mr. Sukh Dhaliwal</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6300010">No, it will be to—</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="10951643">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269268" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6300011">Right now, we have an amendment proposed by Mr. Regan on the floor, so we are dealing with that amendment.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6300012">Seeing that there is no one to speak on that, can we—</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951646">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269273" Type="47">Ms. Raquel Dancho</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6300013">Madam Chair, I just want to mention that I did not give consent to end the meeting, and that we should have a vote on whether we should extend it or not.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="10951647">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269268" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6300014">Once again, we are now dealing with the amendment proposed by Mr. Regan.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6300015">We will go to a vote on the amendment proposed by Mr. Regan.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6300016">(Amendment agreed to)</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6300017">
                <B>The Chair:</B> Mr. Dhaliwal.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951650">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264222" Type="47">Mr. Sukh Dhaliwal</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6300018">Thank you, Madam Chair.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6300019">Can I propose an amendment as well to paragraph one when it comes to family reunification? It's a very important point in the area I come from. I want to give a bit of background information as well before I move the amendment about what we have done when it comes to family reunification.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6300020">We all know the government moved quickly to introduce a process to reunite many families last June, but many families are still navigating the immigration system. It will be—</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951654">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269273" Type="47">Ms. Raquel Dancho</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6300021"> Madam Chair, I have a point of order. The Liberals are trying to run down the clock, and we have not given consent to adjourn the meeting at one o'clock, so I suggest that we extend the meeting. I believe it is a majority vote for that.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="10951655">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269268" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6300022"> Thank you, Ms. Dancho, but we have Mr. Dhaliwal speaking.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951656">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269273" Type="47">Ms. Raquel Dancho</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6300023">Madam Chair, I move that we vote to extend the meeting.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="10951657">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269268" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6300024"> Just one second.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951658">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264222" Type="47">Mr. Sukh Dhaliwal</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6300025">Madam Chair, I have the floor.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Timestamp Hr="13" Mn="00">(1300)</Timestamp>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="10951660">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269268" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6300026"> Mr. Dhaliwal, just one second.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951661">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264226" Type="47">Mr. Marc Serré</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6300027">Madam Chair, I have a point of order. Can we—</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="10951662">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269268" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6300028"> Just one second.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6300029">Can we please ask the clerk to clarify whether we have to extend the time or— </ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951667">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264111" Type="27">The Clerk</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6300030">Thank you, Madam Chair.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6300031">As members will probably know, the meeting schedule is agreed to by the whips. I give that to you just as a point of information. However, strictly speaking, the rule is that the committee meeting continues until a motion to adjourn is adopted.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="10951671">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269268" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6300032"> Thank you for the clarification.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6300033">Please go ahead, Mr. Dhaliwal.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951674">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264222" Type="47">Mr. Sukh Dhaliwal</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6300034">Thank you, Madam Chair.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6300035">It is very useful to examine family reunification and spousal sponsorships. However, the study should not include the exploration of [<I>Inaudible--Editor</I>], but rather the family reunification scheme as a whole.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6300036">With regard to family reunification and COVID-19, the government has made progress with respect to amending visa [<I>Inaudible—Editor</I>] and seeks to keep families together. Recently, we introduced a process for extended family, committed couples and compassionate cases to reunite.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6300037">We have also sped up our process for spousal applications, and we will make almost 49,000 decisions by the end of the year.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6300038">The parents and grandparents program that was announced will accept 40,000 applications this year and the next.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6300039">Therefore, I propose an amendment to paragraph one of the motion: That, pursuant to Standing Order 108(2), the committee undertake a study on family reunification and that during the study the committee pay attention to the grand operational landscape, including sponsorship application process times; that the committee examines ways in which to improve the application process and explore options to increase efficiency and accessibility for families; and that the committee report its findings and recommendations to the House.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="10951682">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269268" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6300040"> Mr. Dhaliwal, are you proposing this as an amendment?</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951683">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264222" Type="47">Mr. Sukh Dhaliwal</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6300041">Yes, please.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="10951685">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269268" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6300042"> We have an amendment by Mr. Dhaliwal on the floor.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951687">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264222" Type="47">Mr. Sukh Dhaliwal</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6300043">I propose that we strike paragraph one and replace it with my amendment.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="10951688">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269268" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6300044"> Can I please ask the analyst to read the amendment so that it is clear to all members?</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951692">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269273" Type="47">Ms. Raquel Dancho</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6300045">Madam Chair, may I make a comment on the amendment?</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="10951693">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269268" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6300046"> The analysts don't have the amendment right now.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6300047">As we have the amendment on the floor, we will go to it.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6300048">We have a speaking list, so we will go by the speaking list, Ms. Dancho.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6300049"> Ms. Kwan is next on the list.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951695">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264467" Type="47">Ms. Jenny Kwan</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6300050"> Thank you very much, Madam Chair.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6300051">I do not support this amendment. The original motion is very specific about what work needs to be done, particularly the impact on family reunification, spousal sponsorship and the impact of section 179(b). I think we need to have a very focused component to this motion. I do not support the amendment as proposed.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Timestamp Hr="13" Mn="05">(1305)</Timestamp>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="10951698">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269268" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6300052"> Mr. Serré is next on the list.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951700">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264226" Type="47">Mr. Marc Serré</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6300053">Thank you, Madam Chair.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6300054">I'd like to propose an amendment or ask for clarification from the clerk on point number seven in the motion dealing with the temporary foreign worker recruitment program and the LMIA, which is out of scope for this committee.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="10951702">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269268" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6300055"> Mr. Serré, we have an amendment on the floor right now.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951705">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264226" Type="47">Mr. Marc Serré</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6300056">Okay.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="10951706">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269268" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6300057"> We can debate that amendment, which has been proposed by Mr. Dhaliwal.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6300058">We have Ms. Martinez Ferrada on the list.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <FloorLanguage language="FR">[<I>Translation</I>]</FloorLanguage>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951708">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264224" Type="47">Ms. Soraya Martinez Ferrada</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6300059">Thank you, Madam Chair.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6300060">I, too, have some questions, especially in terms of what's valid and what isn't.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6300061">A moment ago, Ms. Dhillon made a comment about point 7 of the motion. Did we get any clarity as to whether it falls under the responsibility of the Standing Committee on Citizenship and Immigration? It deals with labour market impact assessments, which fall under employment, not immigration.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6300062">I'm wondering whether point 7 shouldn't be corrected or amended so it lines up with the committee's role.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <FloorLanguage language="EN">[<I>English</I>]</FloorLanguage>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="10951711">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269268" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6300063"> Ms. Martinez Ferrada, I'm sorry for interrupting. </ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6300064">We have an amendment on the floor, which as been proposed by Mr. Dhaliwal, so we cannot deal with anything else right now. Until or unless you are speaking to that amendment....</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6300065">Ms. Dancho.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951713">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269273" Type="47">Ms. Raquel Dancho</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6300066">Thank you, Madam Chair.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6300067">I think the member's amendment, although it has validity, is actually encompassed in the motion already.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6300068"> I agree completely with MP Jenny Kwan's comments. We have to focus on family reunification.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6300069">The initial Liberal criticism of this was that it was too broad. Now we're wanting to add further layers to it. The motion includes what the Liberals wanted to study, and it includes the priorities of opposition parties. Liberal members are repeating their points over and over and speaking multiple times.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6300070"> In the interests of time, I think we need to vote on this amendment and continue forward. This study is incredibly important. The sooner we pass it, the sooner we can do the good work on behalf of Canadians and their families who are separated abroad.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="10951714">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269268" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6300071"> Mr. Dhaliwal, did you raise your hand to speak?</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951715">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264222" Type="47">Mr. Sukh Dhaliwal</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6300072">No, I'm sorry. I already spoke. Thank you.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="10951716">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269268" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6300073"> Thank you, Mr. Dhaliwal.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6300074">Ms. Martinez Ferrada.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <FloorLanguage language="FR">[<I>Translation</I>]</FloorLanguage>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951717">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264224" Type="47">Ms. Soraya Martinez Ferrada</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6300075">Madam Chair, as I mentioned earlier to the member, we have amendments to propose for each point. She has to respect the fact that committee members want to contribute to the discussion on each of the points in the motion.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6300076">That said, I'd like the clerk to clarify whether I can move a motion to adjourn.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951718">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264111" Type="27">The Clerk</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6300077">May I have the floor, Madam Chair?</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <FloorLanguage language="EN">[<I>English</I>]</FloorLanguage>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="10951719">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269268" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6300078"> Yes, please.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <FloorLanguage language="FR">[<I>Translation</I>]</FloorLanguage>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951720">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264111" Type="27">The Clerk</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6300079">Is the motion to adjourn debate or the meeting?</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <FloorLanguage language="EN">[<I>English</I>]</FloorLanguage>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="10951722">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269268" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6300080"> Ms. Martinez Ferrada.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <FloorLanguage language="FR">[<I>Translation</I>]</FloorLanguage>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951724">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264224" Type="47">Ms. Soraya Martinez Ferrada</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6300081">It's a motion to adjourn the meeting.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951725">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264111" Type="27">The Clerk</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6300082">A motion to adjourn either debate or the meeting is in order, but cannot be debated or amended.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951726">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264224" Type="47">Ms. Soraya Martinez Ferrada</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6300083">Can you repeat what you just said?</ParaText>
              <FloorLanguage language="EN">[<I>English</I>]</FloorLanguage>
              <ParaText id="6300084"> Can you say it again in English? I can't get the translation. I just want to understand what you just said.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951728">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264111" Type="27">The Clerk</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6300085">Motions to adjourn the debate, as well as motions to adjourn the meeting, are in order if a member has the floor. Members may not move such motions on a point of order, but if they have the floor for debate, then a motion to adjourn the meeting or a motion to adjourn the debate is in order and must be moved without debate or amendment.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Timestamp Hr="13" Mn="10">(1310)</Timestamp>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="10951730">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269268" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6300086"> Thank you, Clerk, for the clarification. We have the motion to adjourn the meeting.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6300087">All those in favour—</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <FloorLanguage language="FR">[<I>Translation</I>]</FloorLanguage>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951732">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264224" Type="47">Ms. Soraya Martinez Ferrada</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6300088">Madam Chair, may I speak?</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <FloorLanguage language="EN">[<I>English</I>]</FloorLanguage>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="10951734">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269268" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6300089"> Ms. Martinez Ferrada.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <FloorLanguage language="FR">[<I>Translation</I>]</FloorLanguage>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951736">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264224" Type="47">Ms. Soraya Martinez Ferrada</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6300090">I move that the meeting be adjourned to continue the debate at the next meeting.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <FloorLanguage language="EN">[<I>English</I>]</FloorLanguage>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951740">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269273" Type="47">Ms. Raquel Dancho</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6300091">On a point of order, Madam Chair, the Liberals are looking to adjourn debate on their own amendment to this motion. I just want to reiterate that if we don't pass this motion today, we will be further delayed in our ability to study the important issues in immigration that include all of the topics the Liberals as well as opposition parties put forward.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951741">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264225" Type="47">Hon. Geoff Regan</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6300092">On a point of order, this is debate.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951743">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269273" Type="47">Ms. Raquel Dancho</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6300093">If we can just move on this amendment, vote on it and then move to vote on the motion, we can actually get to work. This committee has not met since the summertime—</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951744">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264225" Type="47">Hon. Geoff Regan</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6300094">On a point of order, Madam Chair, this is debate; it's not a point of order.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="10951746">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269268" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6300095">Thank you, Mr. Regan.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6300096">We have a motion on the floor by Ms. Martinez Ferrada to adjourn the meeting. Can we please move to a vote?</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6300097">All those in favour of the motion proposed by Ms. Martinez Ferrada to adjourn the meeting?</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6300098">We need to move to the recorded vote.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6300099">Clerk, can you please do the recorded vote?</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951747">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264111" Type="27">The Clerk</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6300100">Yes, Madam Chair.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6300101">The question is on the motion by Ms. Martinez Ferrada that the meeting be adjourned.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="10951748">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269268" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6300102"> Can I vote...?</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="10951749">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264111" Type="27">The Clerk</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6300103">Yes, yours is the tie-breaking vote, Madam Chair.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="10951753">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269268" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6300104"> I vote yea.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6300105">(Motion agreed to: yeas 6; nays 5)</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6300106">
                <B>The Chair:</B> The meeting is adjourned.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
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