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            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269243" Type="35">The Chair (Mr. Bryan May (Cambridge, Lib.))</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
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              <ParaText id="6562849"> I call this meeting to order.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6562850">Welcome to meeting number 15 of the House of Commons Standing Committee on Veterans Affairs.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6562851">We are starting today in public, as we committed to in the last meeting, in order for a series of motions to be brought forward.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6562852">If there's no objection, I will recognize Monsieur Desilets, if he wishes to move his motions. If not, that's fine as well, but we'll go directly to in camera to start with the report, if that's the case.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6562853">Monsieur Desilets.</ParaText>
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              <Affiliation DbId="269245" Type="40">Mr. Luc Desilets (Rivière-des-Mille-Îles, BQ)</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
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              <ParaText id="6562854">Thank you, Mr. Chair.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6562855">This should go fairly smoothly. My colleagues have probably heard members of other committees talk about it. I am moving two motions today.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6562856">I will read the first one to you right away:</ParaText>
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                  <QuotePara Align="Left" IndentFirst="2" IndentRest="2">That all documents submitted for Committee business that do not come from a federal department or that have not been translated by the Translation Bureau be sent for prior linguistic review by the Translation Bureau before being distributed to members.</QuotePara>
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              <Affiliation DbId="269243" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
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              <ParaText id="6562858">Thank you, Mr. Desilets.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6562859">Is there any discussion on the motion?</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6562860">I have John and Sean. We'll go with John first.</ParaText>
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              <Affiliation DbId="269244" Type="40">Mr. John Brassard (Barrie—Innisfil, CPC)</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
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              <ParaText id="6562861">Thank you, Mr. Chair.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6562862">My comment is probably very similar to Sean's.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6562863">One of the things that we've seen at other committees is an amendment that's been made of adding the words “members' offices” after “federal department”. I would move that amendment for the reasons that have been stated at other committees. We want to ensure—</ParaText>
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            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269245" Type="40">Mr. Luc Desilets</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
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              <ParaText id="6562864">For federal offices....</ParaText>
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              <Affiliation DbId="269244" Type="40">Mr. John Brassard</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
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              <ParaText id="6562865">After “from a federal department”, comma, amend it to read “members' offices”.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6562866">One of the things that we want to ensure is that all documents coming from our MP offices that can be translated internally by OLO and other places are not delayed due to the mandatory linguistic revisions.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6562867">I would also add “members' offices”. Like I said, it's consistent with what some of the other committees have done as well.</ParaText>
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              <Affiliation DbId="269243" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
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              <ParaText id="6562868">That's an amendment to the motion. We'll have to deal with that first.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6562869">Sean, do you have anything to add to that?</ParaText>
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              <Affiliation DbId="264335" Type="47">Mr. Sean Casey (Charlottetown, Lib.)</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6562870">No, thank you, Mr. Chair.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6562871">I support the amendment.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6562872">If the motion is amended, as Mr. Brassard suggested, I will also support the motion.</ParaText>
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            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269243" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6562873">Thank you.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6562874">Can I just, for clarification, check with the clerk and analysts?</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6562875">Do the clerk and the analysts do their own interpretation on documents that come to the committee? If so, should they also be included in this amendment?</ParaText>
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              <Affiliation DbId="271354" Type="27">The Clerk of the Committee (Mr. Benoit Jolicoeur)</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
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              <ParaText id="6562876">I can go ahead, Mr. Chair.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6562877">If the analysts want to add to this, they're more than welcome.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6562878">Per the routine motion, documents that are provided to members have to be in both official languages. In those cases, they would be translated by the translation bureau.</ParaText>
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            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269242" Type="26">Mr. Jean-Rodrigue Paré (Committee Researcher)</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
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              <ParaText id="6562879">One exception is revisions to the draft reports. Usually I'll do the translation from English to French myself, to save a few days. That would be the only exception to that.</ParaText>
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              <Affiliation DbId="269243" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
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              <ParaText id="6562880">I know that's not the case in every committee.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6562881">I'm wondering, if I'm allowed, to make a friendly subamendment to the amendment to also include our analysts and clerk. I wouldn't want to add to the potential delays if this is currently the practice.</ParaText>
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              <Affiliation DbId="269242" Type="26">Mr. Jean-Rodrigue Paré</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
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              <ParaText id="6562882"> If you add my translations to that motion, it will create delays. That's for sure. For revisions to draft reports, if you add that my revisions have to go through the translation bureau, that would add probably three days to every document, at least.</ParaText>
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              <Affiliation DbId="269243" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
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              <ParaText id="6562883">Okay. In order to add to Mr. Brassard's amendment, I would need consent from the committee. Is that okay? Is anyone dissenting on that?</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6562884">Apparently we have a technical problem here. We're going to suspend momentarily. Sorry, we'll come right back.</ParaText>
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              <Affiliation DbId="269243" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
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              <ParaText id="6562885"> Sorry about that. We are back up and running.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6562886">We were in the process of dealing with Monsieur Desilets' first motion.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6562887">There was an amendment by Mr. Brassard, and I see Sean Casey has his hand up.</ParaText>
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              <Affiliation DbId="264335" Type="47">Mr. Sean Casey</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
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              <ParaText id="6562888">Thank you, Mr. Chair.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6562889">After your comments, I know that you cannot propose an amendment, so I will do so. I would like to propose a subamendment to Mr. Brassard's amendment.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6562890">I would like to add the following to his amendment: “the office of the clerk of the committee and the office of the committee analyst”.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6562891">My subamendment aims to add those two offices. The motion already mentions members and their office, but I think the clerk and the analysts must be added to the list.</ParaText>
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            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269243" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
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              <ParaText id="6562892">Thank you, Mr. Casey.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6562893">We'll need to deal with the subamendment first.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6562894">Is there any discussion on the subamendment?</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6562895">Rachel.</ParaText>
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              <Affiliation DbId="264463" Type="47">Ms. Rachel Blaney (North Island—Powell River, NDP)</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
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              <ParaText id="6562896">I'm clarifying. I think the analyst said that if we did that, it would extend the amount of time for us to get reports back. I want to make sure we're clear on that before we support that or not.</ParaText>
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              <Affiliation DbId="269243" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
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              <ParaText id="6562897">I hear what you're saying. I think I heard the same thing. I assumed it was a misunderstanding, but we'll ask the analyst to clarify that.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6562898">If we don't do this subamendment, and include him, in the ability to translate his own documents, that would lead to additional delays if he had to submit them.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6562899">Mr. Analyst.</ParaText>
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              <Affiliation DbId="269242" Type="26">Mr. Jean-Rodrigue Paré</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
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              <ParaText id="6562900">Yes, it would add delays to revisions to draft reports, that's for sure. </ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6562901">For example, in this instance, for this report, I was able to have it sent to you on the Friday because I did all the revisions myself. All the changes to the report that were submitted by all parties, I translated myself. That would have taken at least three more days, as I am obliged to go through the translation bureau for that. All the other documents go through the translation bureau, but I've been doing changes to draft reports myself for 15 years now.</ParaText>
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              <Affiliation DbId="269243" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
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              <ParaText id="6562902">That's excellent.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6562903">Sean, go ahead.</ParaText>
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              <Affiliation DbId="264335" Type="47">Mr. Sean Casey</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
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              <ParaText id="6562904">I want to be absolutely clear. The subamendment I proposed will ensure that we will continue to use the practice we are currently using. Isn't that right?</ParaText>
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              <Affiliation DbId="269243" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
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              <ParaText id="6562905">That's correct.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6562906">Is there any further discussion?</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6562907">I don't know if we need a full-on vote, maybe we can do a quick show of hands.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6562908">(Subamendment agreed to [<I>See Minutes of Proceedings</I>])</ParaText>
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                <B>The Chair:</B> Now we will deal with the amended amendment from Mr. Brassard to include members' offices and the clerk and analyst.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6562910">(Amendment as amended agreed to [<I>See Minutes of Proceedings</I>])</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6562911">(Motion as amended agreed to [<I>See Minutes of Proceedings</I>])</ParaText>
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                <B>The Chair:</B> Monsieur Desilets, thank you.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6562913">That took a lot longer than I was hoping, but if you wish to go on to the second motion, please go ahead.</ParaText>
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              <Affiliation DbId="269245" Type="40">Mr. Luc Desilets</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
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              <ParaText id="6562914">That's life. This will go faster.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6562915">The second motion proposes technical tests for witnesses. I move:</ParaText>
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                  <QuotePara Align="Left" IndentFirst="2" IndentRest="2">That the clerk inform each witness who is to appear before the Committee that the House Administration support team must conduct technical tests to check the connectivity and the equipment used to ensure the best possible sound quality; and that the Chair advise the Committee, at the start of each meeting, of any witness who did not perform the required technical tests.</QuotePara>
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              <ParaText id="6562917">I must inform you, Mr. Chair and respected colleagues, that the administration produced a report on this. The Board of Internal Economy and the Liaison Committee also agree. Yesterday, we went through a situation with a witness that was difficult for us, difficult for the interpretation and difficult for the witness. He was placed in a rather unusual situation. The witness did not know how to handle the technology.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6562918">So that is the goal of the motion.</ParaText>
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              <Affiliation DbId="269243" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
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              <ParaText id="6562919"> Thank you.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6562920">Is there any discussion?</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6562921">I see MP Casey.</ParaText>
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            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264335" Type="47">Mr. Sean Casey</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
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              <ParaText id="6562922">Mr. Chair, the motion proposes what is already being done. That was clear at the last meeting. You did a good job managing the situation.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6562923">I agree with the motion.</ParaText>
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              <Affiliation DbId="269243" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
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              <ParaText id="6562924">Thank you, Mr. Casey.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6562925">Is there any further discussion?</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6562926">Seeing none, again, if I have unanimous consent, I can declare the motion carried.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6562927">(Motion agreed to)</ParaText>
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                <B>The Chair</B>: Excellent.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6562929">Monsieur Desilets, now that the motion has carried, before you move on I would like to propose something to the committee. It's a technical issue regarding the headsets. I'll explain what happened in the last meeting. </ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6562930">You'll notice that the witness was not wearing a government-issued headset. The option is given to the witnesses to request a headset. What I would suggest, with the permission of this committee, is that it not be optional, that we send these headsets that have been proven to be what the interpreters need and the technicians feel is needed, that we make them mandatory for witnesses and send them out. Would we be in agreement that this is the case?</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6562931">John.</ParaText>
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              <Affiliation DbId="269244" Type="40">Mr. John Brassard</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
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              <ParaText id="6562932">Mr. Chair, this is just another technical question: How quickly can we move the headsets if need be? </ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6562933">Oftentimes witnesses might be asked two days, for example, ahead to appear at committee. Are we able to, or can we feel confident that we can get those headsets out quickly?</ParaText>
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              <Affiliation DbId="269243" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
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              <ParaText id="6562934">Yes. It's two to three business days at the maximum. There are exceptions that we will have to deal with as one-offs. For example, the individual we had to deny speaking at the last meeting was actually in Florida. The deal that we have is with Purolator. I know we've been in discussions with the clerk to see how we would deal with somebody who is out of country. </ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6562935">What I'd like to suggest is that we move from making it optional to making it mandatory, and I've gotten direction from the clerk that it shouldn't be a problem.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6562936">Monsieur Desilets.</ParaText>
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            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269245" Type="40">Mr. Luc Desilets</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
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              <ParaText id="6562937">I agree with the proposal.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6562938">A two-day time frame is usually reasonable. They are very quick in Parliament. I think it is our responsibility to provide our witnesses with proper equipment.</ParaText>
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            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269243" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
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              <ParaText id="6562939">Rachel.</ParaText>
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              <Affiliation DbId="264463" Type="47">Ms. Rachel Blaney</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
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              <ParaText id="6562940">Chair, I agree with that, but the one caveat I would like to have acknowledged is that if it doesn't get there on time, and we've done everything we can and they have a headset that works, I think that should be okay. I just want to clarify that. </ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6562941">Of course, if it doesn't work, I agree, and the chair has been very good at saying, “Sorry, it doesn't work” and protecting the interpreters. However, I'm a northern girl, and sometimes things don't get where they're supposed to when you live in the far north of our country.</ParaText>
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            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269243" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
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              <ParaText id="6562942"> I hear you. I'm not moving any kind of motion here. I'm not making any kind of proclamation that somebody's not going to be allowed.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6562943"> What I'm suggesting is that we change the practice of making it an option to send these out. Right now, it's dependent on the witness to request it. What I'm suggesting is that we just send it and say, “This is the device you need to use in order to be heard.” I think that will speed things up a lot.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6562944">Sure, if there is a circumstance where it doesn't get there or it's not compatible with whatever the person is using and they have a suitable device that works, of course we'll let them move forward.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6562945">Okay? Excellent. Thank you.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6562946"> As I said, I'm not moving a motion or anything like that. I just wanted that to be something that we can agree on and give direction on to the technical folks and the clerk.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6562947">Monsieur Desilets, you have one more motion.</ParaText>
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            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269245" Type="40">Mr. Luc Desilets</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
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              <ParaText id="6562948">No, Mr. Chair. I am holding back the third motion.</ParaText>
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          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="11177217">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269243" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6562949">Thank you very much. Excellent.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6562950">Ms. Blaney, go ahead.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="11177222">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264463" Type="47">Ms. Rachel Blaney</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6562951">Chair, I have a motion that was given on notice on March 8 and I would like to read it into the record so that we can get that piece of business done.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="11177225">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269243" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6562952">Yes, certainly.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="11177233">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264463" Type="47">Ms. Rachel Blaney</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6562953">My motion is this:</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6562954">
                <Quote>
                  <QuotePara Align="Left" IndentFirst="2" IndentRest="2"> That, pursuant to Standing Order 108(2), the committee undertake a study on the experience of women veterans, with regard to: (a) physical health, mental health, and safety concerns; (b) supports for their transition to civilian life; (c) sexual trauma during service; (d) housing and homelessness; (e) Veterans Affairs Canada programs and supports for women veterans; that no fewer than 4 meetings be devoted to this study; that the study consist of witness testimony from individual women veterans, stakeholder groups and departmental officials; and that the committee report its findings to the House with recommendations on how the government can improve its programs and supports for women veterans. </QuotePara>
                </Quote>
              </ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="11177244">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269243" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6562955">Is there any discussion on this motion?</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6562956">Go ahead, John.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Timestamp Hr="17" Mn="30">(1730)</Timestamp>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="11177251">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269244" Type="40">Mr. John Brassard</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6562957">Through you, Chair, to Rachel, we know that National Defence is dealing with a very high-profile situation right now. How do you see that as being different from what you're proposing here? I'm asking more out of curiosity than anything.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="11177256">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269243" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6562958">Go ahead, MP Blaney.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="11177261">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264463" Type="47">Ms. Rachel Blaney</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6562959"> I think it's very different. This is specifically focusing on the transition for female veterans. We've heard a lot about the physical health of female veterans and the fact that the system is still largely based on veterans being men and not women. There are a lot of processes that are not in place and a lack of acknowledgement of their health concerns and how women experience those differently.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6562960">We've heard from multiple women that there are some concerns around what happens around sexual trauma. We also talked not too long ago about housing and a safe housing environment. As well, when we look at housing and homelessness, we're hearing more and more that women veterans, 10 years after leaving, are actually experiencing homelessness at a rate that is higher than expected.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6562961">I think it's really important for us to acknowledge that we want to see more women in the military. Part of that means that when they become veterans, they get treated appropriately. There are still a lot of gaps in their service.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6562962">It's distinctly different. This is not going to be focusing at all on what's happening on the military side but on what's happening to women after they leave service.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="11177289">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269243" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6562963">John, do you have a follow-up or can I go to Darrell?</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="11177293">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269244" Type="40">Mr. John Brassard</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6562964">This is just a follow-up to say that we'll be supporting the motion, Mr. Chair. I agree with Rachel. All of us do.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6562965">
                <Affiliation DbId="252542" Type="2">Cathay</Affiliation> has been really engaged on this issue, as you know, Rachel, so we'll be honoured and pleased to support this motion.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6562966">Thank you.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="11177302">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269243" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6562967">Mr. Samson, please go ahead.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="11177309">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264339" Type="47">Mr. Darrell Samson (Sackville—Preston—Chezzetcook, Lib.)</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6562968">Thank you.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6562969">As with the initial question from John, I was wondering if DND was going to...if the study would start there. There are many pieces, as Rachel indicated, that would be very valuable for us to be involved in.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6562970">I'm just wondering, based on our plan for the year and the decisions of the subcommittee in the past, how this would fit in. </ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6562971"> Thanks.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="11177318">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269243" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6562972"> Rachel.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="11177322">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264463" Type="47">Ms. Rachel Blaney</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6562973">I think it's important we're coming close to the end of some of our studies. I hope that the subcommittee will meet and go through these. Right now I see this as a motion being accepted, hopefully, and then let the subcommittee meet and look at what our priorities are.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6562974">I think this is a high priority, so of course I'll be advocating for that. But it is really up to the subcommittee to put together the calendar and then bring it to the larger committee to make a final decision.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="11177337">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269243" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6562975">Monsieur Desilets.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <FloorLanguage language="FR">[<I>Translation</I>]</FloorLanguage>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="11177342">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269245" Type="40">Mr. Luc Desilets</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6562976">Mr. Chair, I am very favourable to this proposal.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6562977">I would just like to remind everyone that this will give us ammunition going forward. This is not word play. It will give us a solid base to be able to implement our motions in the future.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6562978">I would like to remind you that, about two months ago, a series of motions were moved, and some motions were related. They focused on studies such as the one Ms. Blaney would like to carry out.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <FloorLanguage language="EN">[<I>English</I>]</FloorLanguage>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="11177360">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269243" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6562979">Thank you, MP Desilets.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6562980">Is there any further discussion?</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="11177363">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264463" Type="47">Ms. Rachel Blaney</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6562981">I would just like to say thank you to Luc and I couldn't agree more. When we look at our military numbers, we're aiming in Canada for 25% female representation and we're still at 15%. I think there's work to be done on that side, but there's also important work to be done on the veterans side as well.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="11177369">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269243" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6562982">Thank you. Is there any further discussion?</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6562983"> Seeing none, Mr. Clerk, do you want to take us through a vote? </ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6562984">Marie-France.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="11177384">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264337" Type="47">Mrs. Marie-France Lalonde (Orléans, Lib.)</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6562985">I just have a technical problem. My Zoom is unable to detect the camera suddenly. I apologize to all of you.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Timestamp Hr="17" Mn="35">(1735)</Timestamp>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="11177392">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269243" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6562986">We'll have a technician call you, Marie-France.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="11177397">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264337" Type="47">Mrs. Marie-France Lalonde</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6562987">Thank you.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="11177401">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269243" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6562988">I can hear you. I don't have the ability to see everybody with their hands up, but can we maybe go through a vote here, Mr. Clerk?</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="11177403">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="271354" Type="27">The Clerk</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6562989">Yes, absolutely, Mr. Chair.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6562990">On the motion of Ms. Blaney—</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="11177418">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269243" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6562991">Benoit, you're muted.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <FloorLanguage language="FR">[<I>Translation</I>]</FloorLanguage>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="11177423">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="271354" Type="27">The Clerk</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6562992">What is happening?</ParaText>
              <FloorLanguage language="EN">[<I>English</I>]</FloorLanguage>
              <ParaText id="6562993">Can you hear me now? No, you can't hear me.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="11177439">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264334" Type="47">Mr. William Amos (Pontiac, Lib.)</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6562994">Perhaps in the meantime Mr. Davidson can tell us about the state of his Internet connection in his fishing hut.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="11177445">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="265200" Type="2">Mr. Scot Davidson (York—Simcoe, CPC)</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6562995"> York—Simcoe is lacking federal infrastructure dollars for Internet. That I can tell you.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6562996"> We are, so you know, home to the Holland Marsh, which is the soup and salad bowl of Ontario. </ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="11177475">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="271354" Type="27">The Clerk</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6562997">Okay, let's try this again.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6562998">On the motion of Ms. Blaney.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6562999">(Motion agreed to: yeas 10; nays 1)</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6563000">
                <B>The Chair:</B> Now it is past our usual closing time for this meeting. Are we going to attempt to log out and log back in in camera or are we going to call it?</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Timestamp Hr="17" Mn="40">(1740)</Timestamp>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="11177498">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269244" Type="40">Mr. John Brassard</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6563001">My preference is to call it, Mr. Chair, and resume a week and a half from now.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="11177504">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269243" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6563002">I have MP Amos' hand up as well. </ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="11177507">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264334" Type="47">Mr. William Amos</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6563003">Yes, I have a point of order.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6563004">I should have voted in favour. I meant to vote in favour, and I misread a discussion with our team. So with apologies, I'd like to request the unanimous approval of our committee to reverse my vote and vote in favour.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="11177509">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269243" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6563005">Yes, thank you, Will. </ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6563006">I figured that may have been the case. Do we have unanimous consent to allow Mr. Amos to have his vote recorded as yea?</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6563007">I see that we do. That's excellent. </ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6563008">Is there any other discussion as to whether or not we want to proceed with the reports in camera, or are we going to maybe reschedule that?</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="11177527">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="265200" Type="2">Mr. Scot Davidson</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6563009">I'd reschedule. </ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="11177528">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269243" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6563010">Go ahead, MP Blaney.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="11177529">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264463" Type="47">Ms. Rachel Blaney</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6563011">We do have an hour and 20 minutes. I was told that the committee meetings were moved to 5:00 to 7:00. I'm fine to stay. Of course, it's up to the will of the committee.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="11177531">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269243" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6563012">Okay. We've got two against and one in favour. Is there anybody else, please?</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="11177534">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="252569" Type="2">Mr. Larry Maguire (Brandon—Souris, CPC)</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6563013">I have a meeting at 6:00, Bryan, but it's up to the committee.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="11177539">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269243" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6563014">That's three that we'll lose in a few minutes here. </ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6563015">I think we'll need at least an hour to go through the report. The report won't take very long, but I think it will go longer than we have.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6563016">Will, do you have your hand up there?</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="11177543">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="264334" Type="47">Mr. William Amos</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6563017">I simply wanted to say I also have another engagement at 6:00. That would be my preference, but I'll bend to the will of the committee as well.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="11177547">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269243" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6563018"> Unless there's a serious objection, I would suggest that we adjourn for today.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6563019">The voting app success today, and this week, has shown that, although we may be delayed, we're not going to be wiped out like we have been in the past, so we will have some time and runway to do this. It's going to take us more than 20 minutes to get through it. If we're not going to have half of the committee before that, my suggestion is that we adjourn.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6563020">Are we in agreement?</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6563021"> Thank you very much, and thank you, everybody, for your patience.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6563022">A very large shout-out to the technical staff who got us back on track. This has been a heck of a year for them, and it continues.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6563023">Benoit, please high-five the technical folks for us, because we can't do it without them. We'll do it virtually, I guess. A big thank you to all of them.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6563024">We will see you in a week, because we have a constituency week next week.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6563025">Mr. Desilets, please go ahead.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
          <FloorLanguage language="FR">[<I>Translation</I>]</FloorLanguage>
          <Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="11177571">
            <PersonSpeaking>
              <Affiliation DbId="269245" Type="40">Mr. Luc Desilets</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking>
            <Content>
              <ParaText id="6563026">I will comment quickly, as I don't want to drag things out.</ParaText>
              <ParaText id="6563027">I understand that we all have very full schedules. Would it be possible to consider sitting during the break week in two weeks' time? We are regularly handicapped by the Monday and Wednesday votes.</ParaText>
            </Content>
          </Intervention>
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