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		<ExtractedItem Name="InCameraNote"></ExtractedItem></ExtractedInformation><HansardBody><OrderOfBusiness><CatchLine></CatchLine><SubjectOfBusiness><SubjectOfBusinessContent><Timestamp Hr="15" Mn="30">(1530)</Timestamp><FloorLanguage language="EN">[<I>English</I>]</FloorLanguage><Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="8782016"><PersonSpeaking><Affiliation DbId="214746" Type="27">The Clerk of the Committee (Ms. Angela Crandall)</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking><Content><ParaText id="4196441"> Honourable members of the committee, I see a quorum. </ParaText>
							<FloorLanguage language="FR">[<I>Translation</I>]</FloorLanguage><ParaText id="4196442">I must inform you that the clerk of the committee can receive motions only for the election of the chair. The clerk cannot receive other types of motions, entertain points of order or participate in debate.</ParaText>
							<FloorLanguage language="EN">[<I>English</I>]</FloorLanguage><ParaText id="4196443">We can now proceed to the election of the chair.</ParaText><ParaText id="4196444">Pursuant to Standing Order 106(2), the chair must be a member of the government party. I am now ready to receive motions for the chair. </ParaText><ParaText id="4196445">Go ahead, Mr. Miller. </ParaText></Content></Intervention>
					<Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="8782017"><PersonSpeaking><Affiliation DbId="215931" Type="47">Mr. Marc Miller (Ville-Marie—Le Sud-Ouest—Île-des-Soeurs, Lib.)</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking><Content><ParaText id="4196446">I move to appoint Bob Nault as chair. </ParaText></Content></Intervention>
					<Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="8782018"><PersonSpeaking><Affiliation DbId="214746" Type="27">The Clerk</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking><Content><ParaText id="4196447">It has been moved by Marc Miller that Bob Nault be elected as the chair of the committee. </ParaText><ParaText id="4196448">Are there any further motions?</ParaText></Content></Intervention>
					<Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="8782019" ToCText=""><PersonSpeaking><Affiliation DbId="217886" Type="47">Mr. Dean Allison (Niagara West, CPC)</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking><Content><ParaText id="4196449">Are there any speeches?</ParaText><ParaText id="4196450">We'll save those for later. </ParaText></Content></Intervention>
					<Intervention Type="Debate" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="8783038"><PersonSpeaking><Affiliation DbId="214746" Type="27">The Clerk</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking><Content><ParaText id="4196451">Are there any other motions?</ParaText><ParaText id="4196452">(Motion agreed to)</ParaText><ParaText id="4196453"><B>The Clerk:</B> I declare the motion carried, and Robert Nault is duly elected as the chair of the committee. </ParaText><ParaText id="4196454"><B>Some hon. members:</B> Hear, hear!</ParaText><ParaText id="4196455"><B>The Clerk:</B> I invite Mr. Nault to take the chair. </ParaText></Content></Intervention>
					<Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="8782037"><PersonSpeaking><Affiliation DbId="219051" Type="35">The Chair (Hon. Robert Nault (Kenora, Lib.))</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking><Content><ParaText/><ParaText id="4196456">Colleagues, if the committee is in agreement, I'd invite the clerk to proceed with the election of the vice-chairs, but before we do that, perhaps everybody could just say hello, who they are and where they're from. I always like introductions; it kind of makes me feel as if I'm at home. Why don't we start with Dean, and then go around and say a few words. I don't want long speeches, though, about all the years you've been in Parliament and all the things you've done.</ParaText></Content></Intervention>
					<Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="8782039"><PersonSpeaking><Affiliation DbId="217886" Type="47">Mr. Dean Allison</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking><Content><ParaText id="4196457">Thanks, Bob. </ParaText><ParaText id="4196458">I'm Dean Allison, member for Niagara West and former chair of the foreign affairs committee, for the last five years. </ParaText></Content></Intervention>
					<Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="8782041"><PersonSpeaking><Affiliation DbId="217884" Type="47">Hon. Peter Kent (Thornhill, CPC)</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking><Content><ParaText id="4196459">I'm Peter Kent, member for Thornhill, former chair of the national defence committee, but it was a pleasure in the last Parliament to participate in a couple of joint sessions with foreign affairs. I'm delighted to be here, although I would have preferred the other side of the table. </ParaText></Content></Intervention>
					<Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="8782044"><PersonSpeaking><Affiliation DbId="214396" Type="2">Mr. Garnett Genuis (Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, CPC)</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking><Content><ParaText id="4196460">I'm Garnett Genuis, member for Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan. I'm not ordinarily a member of the committee, but I believe I'll be substituting here for most of the month of February, and I look forward to working together with everyone here for that period. </ParaText></Content></Intervention>
					<FloorLanguage language="FR">[<I>Translation</I>]</FloorLanguage><Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="8782045"><PersonSpeaking><Affiliation DbId="217204" Type="47">Ms. Hélène Laverdière (Laurier—Sainte-Marie, NDP)</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking><Content><ParaText id="4196461">Good afternoon.</ParaText><ParaText id="4196462">My name is Hélène Laverdière, member for Laurier—Sainte-Marie. I had the pleasure of sitting on this committee in the previous Parliament, starting with my election in 2011. I must say I'm a bit sad to see that I am the only woman on this committee, but here we are. It's 2016!</ParaText><ParaText id="4196463">I want to thank Dean Allison for all the work he did in the last Parliament.</ParaText></Content></Intervention>
					<FloorLanguage language="EN">[<I>English</I>]</FloorLanguage><Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="8782048" ToCText="Ms. Goldsmith-Jones"><PersonSpeaking><Affiliation DbId="214556" Type="2">Ms. Pam Goldsmith-Jones (West Vancouver—Sunshine Coast—Sea to Sky Country, Lib.)</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking><Content><ParaText id="4196464">I am Pam Goldsmith-Jones, member for West Vancouver—Sunshine Coast—Sea to Sky Country. I'm the Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Foreign Affairs. </ParaText></Content></Intervention>
					<Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="8782049"><PersonSpeaking><Affiliation DbId="213890" Type="2">Mr. Omar Alghabra (Mississauga Centre, Lib.)</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking><Content><ParaText id="4196465">I am Omar Alghabra. I am member of Parliament for Mississauga Centre and the Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Foreign Affairs for Consular Affairs. </ParaText></Content></Intervention>
					<Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="8782051"><PersonSpeaking><Affiliation DbId="215933" Type="47">Mr. Peter Fragiskatos (London North Centre, Lib.)</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking><Content><ParaText id="4196466">I am Peter Fragiskatos, MP for London North Centre. I am very much looking forward to getting to know all of you and working with you. </ParaText></Content></Intervention>
					<FloorLanguage language="FR">[<I>Translation</I>]</FloorLanguage><Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="8782058"><PersonSpeaking><Affiliation DbId="215931" Type="47">Mr. Marc Miller</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking><Content><ParaText id="4196467">My name is Marc Miller, member for Ville-Marie—Le Sud-Ouest—Île-des-Soeurs. Ms. Laverdière, I just want to say that we are all feminists here. So you are in good company.</ParaText><ParaText id="4196468">I also want to thank those who have come to participate in this meeting. I thank them for their commitment.</ParaText></Content></Intervention>
					<FloorLanguage language="EN">[<I>English</I>]</FloorLanguage><Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="8782066"><PersonSpeaking><Affiliation DbId="215932" Type="47">Mr. Michael Levitt (York Centre, Lib.)</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking><Content><ParaText id="4196469">I am Michael Levitt, the member of Parliament for York Centre. I am honoured to serve with such an esteemed group of colleagues from across the Commons. </ParaText></Content></Intervention>
					<Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="8782069"><PersonSpeaking><Affiliation DbId="215928" Type="47">Mr. Jati Sidhu (Mission—Matsqui—Fraser Canyon, Lib.)</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking><Content><ParaText id="4196470">I am Jati Sidhu, member for Mission—Matsqui—Fraser Canyon. If you're wondering, it's in British Columbia. </ParaText></Content></Intervention>
					<Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="8782071"><PersonSpeaking><Affiliation DbId="215929" Type="47">Mr. Raj Saini (Kitchener Centre, Lib.)</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking><Content><ParaText id="4196471">I am Raj Saini, member for Kitchener Centre.</ParaText><ParaText id="4196472">Mr. Kent, there is a seat for you if you ever want to cross over to this side. </ParaText></Content></Intervention>
					<Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="8782073" ToCText=""><PersonSpeaking><Affiliation DbId="219051" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking><Content><ParaText id="4196473">Thank you very much to everyone. I very much appreciated that. </ParaText><ParaText id="4196474">I am Bob Nault. I am from the riding of Kenora in northern Ontario.</ParaText><ParaText id="4196475">I'm looking forward to working with all of you on making Canada a better place, and I will enjoy every minute of it in committee. Committees have always been my favourite thing. </ParaText><ParaText id="4196476">Just for those who don't know, I was a member of Parliament from 1988 to 2004. I've sat in every particular role I could find, except they wouldn't let me be Prime Minister or Speaker, but I've tried everything else, so I'm looking forward to this challenge with you. </ParaText><ParaText id="4196477">Again, thank you very much for introducing yourselves. </ParaText><ParaText id="4196478">I'll turn it back to the clerk. Thank you. </ParaText><ParaText id="4196479">Oh, one second...we were just introducing ourselves. Go ahead. </ParaText></Content></Intervention>
					<Timestamp Hr="15" Mn="35">(1535)</Timestamp><Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="8782082" ToCText="Ms. Gould"><PersonSpeaking><Affiliation DbId="214413" Type="2">Ms. Karina Gould (Burlington, Lib.)</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking><Content><ParaText id="4196480"> I am Karina Gould, member of Parliament for Burlington. I am the Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister for International Development.</ParaText></Content></Intervention>
					<Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="8782083"><PersonSpeaking><Affiliation DbId="214746" Type="27">The Clerk</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking><Content><ParaText id="4196481">Pursuant to Standing Order 106(2), the first vice-chair must be a member of the official opposition. I'm now prepared to receive motions for the position of the first vice-chair.</ParaText></Content></Intervention>
					<Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="8782085"><PersonSpeaking><Affiliation DbId="217884" Type="47">Hon. Peter Kent</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking><Content><ParaText id="4196482">I would like to nominate Dean Allison.</ParaText></Content></Intervention>
					<Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="8782086"><PersonSpeaking><Affiliation DbId="214746" Type="27">The Clerk</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking><Content><ParaText id="4196483">It has been moved by Peter Kent that Dean Allison be the first vice-chair.</ParaText><ParaText id="4196484">Are there any further motions?</ParaText><ParaText id="4196485">Is it the pleasure of the committee to adopt the motion?</ParaText><ParaText id="4196486">(Motion agreed to)</ParaText><ParaText id="4196487"><B>The Clerk:</B> I declare the motion carried and Dean Allison duly elected as the first vice-chair.</ParaText><ParaText id="4196488">Pursuant to Standing Order 106(2), the second vice-chair must be a member of an opposition party other than the official opposition. I'm now prepared to receive motions for the second vice-chair.</ParaText></Content></Intervention>
					<Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="8782092" ToCText=""><PersonSpeaking><Affiliation DbId="215932" Type="47">Mr. Michael Levitt</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking><Content><ParaText id="4196489">I would like to nominate Hélène Laverdière.</ParaText></Content></Intervention>
					<Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="8782093"><PersonSpeaking><Affiliation DbId="214746" Type="27">The Clerk</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking><Content><ParaText id="4196490">It's been moved by Michael Levitt that Madame Hélène Laverdière be elected as the second vice-chair of the committee.</ParaText><ParaText id="4196491">Is it the pleasure of the committee to adopt the motion?</ParaText><ParaText id="4196492">(Motion agreed to)</ParaText><ParaText id="4196493"><B>The Clerk:</B> I declare the motion carried and Madame Laverdière duly elected as second vice-chair.</ParaText></Content></Intervention>
					<Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="8782095" ToCText=""><PersonSpeaking><Affiliation DbId="219051" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking><Content><ParaText id="4196494">Colleagues, I assume there are other procedural motions we could get into. I wanted to get some feedback from you as to how far you want to go today. I was thinking we might want to get the subcommittee sorted out for the purposes of discussing how we will do our business and how we will operate as a committee. Once that discussion is had, then we could come back to full committee with some recommendations as to how we will proceed and then move some of those motions. We can do that or we can move on some of the motions that are already before us, depending on what your wishes are.</ParaText><ParaText id="4196495">Dean.</ParaText></Content></Intervention>
					<Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="8782105"><PersonSpeaking><Affiliation DbId="217886" Type="47">Mr. Dean Allison</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking><Content><ParaText id="4196496">Why don't we work on the routine motions? We could get started on those and then maybe have some discussions, as you said, on the subcommittee and all those other things afterwards.</ParaText></Content></Intervention>
					<Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="8782107" ToCText=""><PersonSpeaking><Affiliation DbId="219051" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking><Content><ParaText id="4196497">Colleagues, you'll see in front of you the first motion being proposed, which deals with analysts. For the sake of the committee I'll read it:</ParaText><ParaText id="4196498"><Quote><QuotePara Align="Left" IndentFirst="2" IndentRest="2">That the Committee retain, as needed and at the discretion of the Chair, the services of one or more analysts from the Library of Parliament to assist it in its work.</QuotePara></Quote></ParaText><ParaText id="4196499">(Motion agreed to)</ParaText></Content></Intervention>
					<Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="8782128"><PersonSpeaking><Affiliation DbId="214746" Type="27">The Clerk</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking><Content><ParaText id="4196500">Would you like to invite the analysts to come to the table now?</ParaText></Content></Intervention>
					<Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="8783156" ToCText=""><PersonSpeaking><Affiliation DbId="219051" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking><Content><ParaText id="4196501">Are they here?</ParaText></Content></Intervention>
					<Timestamp Hr="15" Mn="40">(1540)</Timestamp><Intervention Type="Debate" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="8783157"><PersonSpeaking><Affiliation DbId="214746" Type="27">The Clerk</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking><Content><ParaText id="4196502">They are.</ParaText></Content></Intervention>
					<Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="8782129" ToCText=""><PersonSpeaking><Affiliation DbId="219051" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking><Content><ParaText id="4196503">Come on over and we'll have you introduce yourselves.</ParaText></Content></Intervention>
					<Intervention Type="Debate" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="8783168"><PersonSpeaking><Affiliation DbId="87586" Type="26">Ms. Allison Goody (Analyst)</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking><Content><ParaText id="4196504">Hello. My name is Allison Goody. I'm one of the analysts from the Library of Parliament. I have been working for the foreign affairs committee since September 2009 and am very much looking forward to working with all of you.</ParaText></Content></Intervention>
					<Intervention Type="Debate" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="8783174"><PersonSpeaking><Affiliation DbId="190615" Type="26">Mr. Brian Hermon (Analyst)</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking><Content><ParaText id="4196505">Hi. My name is Brian Hermon. I'm also an analyst with the Library of Parliament. I worked with this committee during the second session of the last Parliament, and I'm very much looking forward to working with everyone as well.</ParaText></Content></Intervention>
					<Intervention Type="Debate" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="8783177"><PersonSpeaking><Affiliation DbId="219051" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking><Content><ParaText id="4196506">Welcome, and I'm looking forward to working with you.</ParaText><ParaText id="4196507">The next motion is on the subcommittee on agenda and procedure. It may have to be changed as our party has changed the way we are going to approach this. It should read: </ParaText><ParaText id="4196508"><Quote><QuotePara Align="Left" IndentFirst="2" IndentRest="2">That the Subcommittee on Agenda and Procedure be established and be composed of five (5) members: the Chair, the two Vice-Chairs and two government members. </QuotePara></Quote></ParaText><ParaText id="4196509">Are we in favour of that?</ParaText><ParaText id="4196510">Dean, do you want to speak to the motion?</ParaText></Content></Intervention>
					<Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="8782147"><PersonSpeaking><Affiliation DbId="217886" Type="47">Mr. Dean Allison</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking><Content><ParaText id="4196511"> I guess my question is about the two other members. Would it make sense to have one from the opposition and one from the government? I'm just asking that question.</ParaText><ParaText id="4196512">It can't hurt. If you don't try, it never happens, right?</ParaText></Content></Intervention>
					<Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="8782151" ToCText=""><PersonSpeaking><Affiliation DbId="219051" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking><Content><ParaText id="4196513">It might make sense to certain sides of the table, but we would prefer to have two members of the government, as was the case under the previous government. The two parliamentary secretaries were from the government, so there is no real difference, except in our view, because of our changes as a government, they will be committee members.</ParaText><ParaText id="4196514">As you know, parliamentary secretaries are not official members of the committee, or voting members, but that was one of the reasons I wanted to talk to the agenda and procedure subcommittee. I think we could have a discussion about the role of parliamentary secretaries for our benefit as a committee. As you know, we can decide on our own how we want things to be done, so I would like to have that conversation with you as we work our way through. The parliamentary secretaries have a lot to offer. I'd hate to think they were just going to keep looking at the chairman the whole time over the next years.</ParaText><ParaText id="4196515">The motion would read: </ParaText><ParaText id="4196516"><Quote><QuotePara Align="Left" IndentFirst="2" IndentRest="2">That the Subcommittee on Agenda and Procedure be established and be composed of five (5) members: the Chair, the two Vice-Chairs and two government members</QuotePara></Quote></ParaText><ParaText id="4196517">(Motion agreed to)</ParaText><ParaText id="4196518"><B>The Chair: </B> Thanks for trying, Dean. I appreciate that.</ParaText><ParaText id="4196519">The next one is on reduced quorum:</ParaText><ParaText id="4196520"><Quote><QuotePara Align="Left" IndentFirst="2" IndentRest="2">That the Chair be authorized to hold meetings to receive evidence and to have that evidence printed when a quorum is not present, provided that at least three (3) members are present, including one member of the opposition and one member of the government, but when travelling outside the parliamentary precinct, that the meeting begin after fifteen (15) minutes, regardless of members present.</QuotePara></Quote></ParaText><ParaText id="4196521">That has been sort of standard practice for as long as I can remember. Are there any issues with that?</ParaText><ParaText id="4196522">(Motion agreed to)</ParaText><ParaText id="4196523"><B>The Chair:</B> On the questioning of witnesses, this is a discussion. Basically, I'm very interested in this discussion later on, but let me see if I can just break this down:</ParaText><ParaText id="4196524"><Quote><QuotePara Align="Left" IndentFirst="2" IndentRest="2">That witnesses be given ten (10) minutes for their opening statement; that, at the discretion of the Chair, during the questioning of witnesses, there be allocated—</QuotePara></Quote></ParaText><ParaText id="4196525">—and if everyone here is willing, I'd like to defer this one and have a conversation about how you want to do the questioning. For example, if the committee is at all interested, there is nothing stopping us and I'd like to know what your views are if other members come to the committee on a specific topic on which they have interest, and even though they are not committee members, whether we will allow them to ask questions.</ParaText></Content></Intervention>
					<Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="8782183"><PersonSpeaking><Affiliation DbId="217884" Type="47">Hon. Peter Kent</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking><Content><ParaText id="4196526">Is that recognized parties?</ParaText></Content></Intervention>
					<Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="8782185" ToCText=""><PersonSpeaking><Affiliation DbId="219051" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking><Content><ParaText id="4196527">Yes, that's recognized parties and otherwise. That's the conversation I would like to have to see what people's views are of that, whether it's Elizabeth May or the Bloc. If no one is in favour of that right off the bat, then we won't spend a lot of time talking about it, but I thought we would have a discussion about the allocation of time. </ParaText><ParaText id="4196528">Obviously, the standard time for the parties will be adhered to, but there's also the opportunity for other members of Parliament. I include parliamentary secretaries when I say that. </ParaText></Content></Intervention>
					<Timestamp Hr="15" Mn="45">(1545)</Timestamp><Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="8782191"><PersonSpeaking><Affiliation DbId="214396" Type="2">Mr. Garnett Genuis</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking><Content><ParaText id="4196529">Mr. Chair, could I just ask a question on that? My understanding is, if other members come—from a recognized party at least, or even other members in general—that members who have existing allotments in terms of the rounds of questions could, without any problem, defer their time to those members, right?</ParaText></Content></Intervention>
					<Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="8782193" ToCText=""><PersonSpeaking><Affiliation DbId="219051" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking><Content><ParaText id="4196530">I am referring to others.</ParaText></Content></Intervention>
					<Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="8782195"><PersonSpeaking><Affiliation DbId="214396" Type="2">Mr. Garnett Genuis</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking><Content><ParaText id="4196531">Members could defer their time if they wished in those cases as well, right?</ParaText></Content></Intervention>
					<Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="8782198" ToCText=""><PersonSpeaking><Affiliation DbId="219051" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking><Content><ParaText id="4196532">Well, what I was really talking about was, at the discretion of the chair, allowing people the opportunity to participate, but as long as it doesn't affect the time of the official parties.</ParaText></Content></Intervention>
					<Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="8782199"><PersonSpeaking><Affiliation DbId="217884" Type="47">Hon. Peter Kent</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking><Content><ParaText id="4196533">Wouldn't that necessitate one side or the other relinquishing one speaking position?</ParaText></Content></Intervention>
					<Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="8782201" ToCText=""><PersonSpeaking><Affiliation DbId="219051" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking><Content><ParaText id="4196534">Yes, it would. </ParaText></Content></Intervention>
					<Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="8782204"><PersonSpeaking><Affiliation DbId="217886" Type="47">Mr. Dean Allison</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking><Content><ParaText id="4196535">Mr. Chair, I'm happy to have that discussion another time, but I think it should be for the full committee to have that discussion. What I mean is not the subcommittee but the whole committee, so I'm happy to defer. </ParaText></Content></Intervention>
					<Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="8782208" ToCText=""><PersonSpeaking><Affiliation DbId="219051" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking><Content><ParaText id="4196536">This is just so people see what took place in PROC, the procedure and House affairs committee. These are the changes based on the changes to government and the parties, as far as their time goes. We can proceed with looking at it from this perspective or otherwise.</ParaText><ParaText id="4196537">Let me read it for you:</ParaText><ParaText id="4196538"><Quote><QuotePara Align="Left" IndentFirst="2" IndentRest="2">That witnesses be given ten (10) minutes to make their opening statement; and that during the questioning of witnesses the time allocated to each questioner be as follows: for the first round of questioning, seven (7) minutes to a representative of each party in the following order: Liberal, Conservative, NDP and Liberal; for the second round, five (5) minutes be allocated in the following order: Conservative, Liberal, Conservative, Liberal; followed by NDP, three (3) minutes.</QuotePara></Quote></ParaText><ParaText id="4196539">Peter.</ParaText></Content></Intervention>
					<Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="8782212"><PersonSpeaking><Affiliation DbId="217884" Type="47">Hon. Peter Kent</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking><Content><ParaText id="4196540">PROC generally doesn't follow the same meeting time frames that we occasionally do in foreign affairs, in terms of one-hour or two-hour blocks. Would the second round simply be repeated as many times as necessary? For example, the last time the rotation did change certainly on some committees depending on how many rounds were necessary.</ParaText></Content></Intervention>
					<Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="8782216" ToCText=""><PersonSpeaking><Affiliation DbId="219051" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking><Content><ParaText id="4196541">I think the objective of the exercise is to reflect the majority on the government side, so we want to make sure we get a fair number of questions or the ability to ask questions, based on the percentages. That's the idea of this motion.</ParaText><ParaText id="4196542">I'm at your disposal as far as what you might think goes.</ParaText><ParaText id="4196543">Michael.</ParaText></Content></Intervention>
					<Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="8783263"><PersonSpeaking><Affiliation DbId="215932" Type="47">Mr. Michael Levitt</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking><Content><ParaText id="4196544"> I'd like to propose that we do six minutes in rounds one, two, three, and four, so it would be Conservative, Liberal, NDP, and then Liberal. Then in round two it would be six, six, six, five, and three, for Liberal, Conservative, Liberal, Conservative, and NDP, for a total of 50 minutes.</ParaText></Content></Intervention>
					<Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="8782220" ToCText=""><PersonSpeaking><Affiliation DbId="219051" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking><Content><ParaText id="4196545">Are you following that, Madame?</ParaText></Content></Intervention>
					<Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="8782221"><PersonSpeaking><Affiliation DbId="217204" Type="47">Ms. Hélène Laverdière</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking><Content><ParaText id="4196546">I would need to make some calculations.</ParaText>
							<FloorLanguage language="FR">[<I>Translation</I>]</FloorLanguage><ParaText id="4196547">I would like to comment on Mr. Kent's last question. It seems to me that, if any time is left, we should repeat the order from the first round. That is how I understood his question.</ParaText>
							<FloorLanguage language="EN">[<I>English</I>]</FloorLanguage><ParaText id="4196548">After round one and round two, when there's still time left, then we should go back to round one, it seems to me, but I would have to calculate this. I have no comment on this one yet.</ParaText></Content></Intervention>
					<Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="8782227" ToCText=""><PersonSpeaking><Affiliation DbId="219051" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking><Content><ParaText id="4196549">Dean.</ParaText></Content></Intervention>
					<Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="8782228"><PersonSpeaking><Affiliation DbId="217886" Type="47">Mr. Dean Allison</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking><Content><ParaText id="4196550">I don't think we have a problem with it in terms of that thought process. It should be fair and representative of what's in the House. I think that our biggest concern, when we start talking about other parties, is to make sure that everyone on the committee who was present would get a chance to speak first, before anyone else would. </ParaText><ParaText id="4196551">I don't know if it would be that much of a problem. We could talk about that later. I think that's what you're getting at. </ParaText><ParaText id="4196552">At the very least, all of the members or their equivalents, their fill-ins, should have a chance to speak before we open it up. </ParaText></Content></Intervention>
					<Timestamp Hr="15" Mn="50">(1550)</Timestamp><Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="8782232" ToCText=""><PersonSpeaking><Affiliation DbId="219051" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking><Content><ParaText id="4196553">That's very much in line with my thinking. Obviously, regular committee members will get the first opportunity, before anybody else who's not on the committee does.</ParaText><ParaText id="4196554">Hélène.</ParaText></Content></Intervention>
					<Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="8782235"><PersonSpeaking><Affiliation DbId="217204" Type="47">Ms. Hélène Laverdière</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking><Content><ParaText id="4196555">This is on Mr. Levitt's proposal.</ParaText>
							<FloorLanguage language="FR">[<I>Translation</I>]</FloorLanguage><ParaText id="4196556">That gives us a total of 50 minutes instead of 51 minutes. That is one less minute for the NDP. That is not really acceptable for us.</ParaText><ParaText id="4196557">Thank you.</ParaText></Content></Intervention>
					<FloorLanguage language="EN">[<I>English</I>]</FloorLanguage><Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="8782239"><PersonSpeaking><Affiliation DbId="215929" Type="47">Mr. Raj Saini</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking><Content><ParaText id="4196558">I didn't understand that. The total time is 50 minutes.</ParaText></Content></Intervention>
					<Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="8782240"><PersonSpeaking><Affiliation DbId="217204" Type="47">Ms. Hélène Laverdière</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking><Content><ParaText id="4196559">Yes, and in the current proposal the total time is 51 minutes. In Mr. Levitt's proposal the total time is 50 minutes. However, in the current proposal, in what we have in front of us, the NDP is entitled to 10 minutes. As you'll see, I talk a lot. I'm rather talkative. With Mr. Levitt's proposal, I lose a minute. It may be a gain for your own mental health, but it's a loss for me, so I can't agree to that.</ParaText><ParaText id="4196560">Thank you.</ParaText></Content></Intervention>
					<Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="8782245" ToCText=""><PersonSpeaking><Affiliation DbId="219051" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking><Content><ParaText id="4196561"> Thank you very much for your comment.</ParaText><ParaText id="4196562"> To make this formal, Mr. Levitt is putting a motion forward. If he would read it one more time, we'll move to put the question.</ParaText></Content></Intervention>
					<Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="8782248"><PersonSpeaking><Affiliation DbId="215932" Type="47">Mr. Michael Levitt</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking><Content><ParaText id="4196563">The rotation by time would be the following: in rounds one, two, three, and four, in the order Conservative, Liberal, NDP, Liberal, it would be six, six, six, six. In round two, in the order Liberal, Conservative, Liberal, Conservative, NDP, it would be six, six, six, five, three. This would total 50 minutes, which I believe is representative of the proportion in the House as well.</ParaText></Content></Intervention>
					<Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="8782252" ToCText=""><PersonSpeaking><Affiliation DbId="219051" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking><Content><ParaText id="4196564">You've heard the motion. I'll put the question.</ParaText></Content></Intervention>
					<Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="8782253"><PersonSpeaking><Affiliation DbId="217204" Type="47">Ms. Hélène Laverdière</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking><Content><ParaText id="4196565">There's an amendment to the motion.</ParaText></Content></Intervention>
					<Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="8782254" ToCText=""><PersonSpeaking><Affiliation DbId="219051" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking><Content><ParaText id="4196566">Well, it's a little late for that. I've already put the question.</ParaText><ParaText id="4196567">(Motion agreed to [See <I>Minutes of Proceedings</I>])</ParaText><ParaText id="4196568"><B>The Chair:</B> Keep in mind that we'll be very flexible on these kinds of things, as we should be.</ParaText><ParaText id="4196569">Thank you for that, Michael. I appreciate it.</ParaText><ParaText id="4196570">The next procedural motion is on document distribution. The motion reads:</ParaText><ParaText id="4196571"><Quote><QuotePara Align="Left" IndentFirst="2" IndentRest="2">That the Clerk of the Committee be authorized to distribute documents to members of the Committee only when the documents are available in both official languages and that witnesses be advised accordingly.</QuotePara></Quote></ParaText><ParaText id="4196572">I would like to make an amendment to this document. I'd like to include the parliamentary secretaries for the sake of the distribution of documents. As you may imagine, they'll be here the whole time, and it would be useful for the clerk to distribute the documents to the parliamentary secretaries for their information. I'm sure you'll also distribute it to everybody that you want to anyway, but I think it just makes good common sense.</ParaText><ParaText id="4196573">If people are in favour of that, I would make that small amendment.</ParaText></Content></Intervention>
					<Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="8782266"><PersonSpeaking><Affiliation DbId="214396" Type="2">Mr. Garnett Genuis</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking><Content><ParaText id="4196574">Mr. Chair, I don't object to that in principle, but I would suggest that if this provision is made for parliamentary secretaries, then we allow members who wish to come to this committee on a regular basis to request that they receive documents distributed to them directly as well, regardless of the party. That seems like a fair way to operate.</ParaText></Content></Intervention>
					<Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="8782271" ToCText=""><PersonSpeaking><Affiliation DbId="219051" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking><Content><ParaText id="4196575">The clerk has brought it to my attention that when we are in the process of doing reports that are considered to be not for public consumption before they are completed, there would not be a distribution of documents to people who are not on the committee. That is, of course, the standard procedure of how we have operated in committees for many years. </ParaText><ParaText id="4196576">I think I may have to forgo what I was trying to accomplish—allowing documents to go to the parliamentary secretaries because they will be here—because it has to be members of the committee.</ParaText><ParaText id="4196577">If you'll allow me, we'll go back to the standard motion: </ParaText><ParaText id="4196578"><Quote><QuotePara Align="Left" IndentFirst="2" IndentRest="2">That the Clerk of the Committee be authorized to distribute documents to members of the Committee only when the documents are available in both official languages and that witnesses be advised accordingly.</QuotePara></Quote></ParaText><ParaText id="4196579">Mr. Kent.</ParaText></Content></Intervention>
					<Timestamp Hr="15" Mn="55">(1555)</Timestamp><Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="8782277"><PersonSpeaking><Affiliation DbId="217884" Type="47">Hon. Peter Kent</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking><Content><ParaText id="4196580">Just for clarification, given that we've already begun the transition to paperless committee work, should there be some reference here to the fact that it would be electronically distributed to members' iPads, for instance? Somehow we need to recognize, I think, the fact that much of the document distribution is intended to be digital in the future.</ParaText></Content></Intervention>
					<Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="8782280"><PersonSpeaking><Affiliation DbId="214746" Type="27">The Clerk</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking><Content><ParaText id="4196581">The distribution of documents involves either hard copies or electronic copies. Sometimes only paper copies may be available, if they're something that the witnesses provide.</ParaText></Content></Intervention>
					<Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="8782282"><PersonSpeaking><Affiliation DbId="217884" Type="47">Hon. Peter Kent</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking><Content><ParaText id="4196582">Sure.</ParaText></Content></Intervention>
					<Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="8782287"><PersonSpeaking><Affiliation DbId="214746" Type="27">The Clerk</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking><Content><ParaText id="4196583"> Distribution can mean electronic format as well. It's included.</ParaText></Content></Intervention>
					<Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="8782288"><PersonSpeaking><Affiliation DbId="217884" Type="47">Hon. Peter Kent</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking><Content><ParaText id="4196584">Understood.</ParaText></Content></Intervention>
					<Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="8782289" ToCText=""><PersonSpeaking><Affiliation DbId="219051" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking><Content><ParaText id="4196585"> Is there any further discussion?</ParaText><ParaText id="4196586">(Motion agreed to)</ParaText></Content></Intervention>
					<Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="8782290"><PersonSpeaking><Affiliation DbId="217204" Type="47">Ms. Hélène Laverdière</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking><Content><ParaText id="4196587">Mr. Chair, before we move to the next item, I'd like to move a motion that, following the proposal from Mr. Levitt, an extra minute be added to the NDP talking time in the second round, bringing it from three to four.</ParaText></Content></Intervention>
					<Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="8782294" ToCText=""><PersonSpeaking><Affiliation DbId="219051" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking><Content><ParaText id="4196588"> Okay, you've heard the motion, so we're going to have a discussion to make an amendment, which is a little unusual since we've moved beyond that, but for the sake of being fair, let's have that discussion.</ParaText><ParaText id="4196589">Garnett, do you want to touch that?</ParaText></Content></Intervention>
					<Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="8782297"><PersonSpeaking><Affiliation DbId="214396" Type="2">Mr. Garnett Genuis</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking><Content><ParaText id="4196590">I want to say I support that. I think it's reasonable based on the original time to the new proposal. I think the new proposal flows a bit better in terms of having equal time throughout, but I wouldn't want to shortchange the NDP from something they had in a previous version.</ParaText><ParaText id="4196591"><B>Mr. Dean Allison:</B> I want extra minutes.</ParaText></Content></Intervention>
					<Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="8782300"><PersonSpeaking><Affiliation DbId="219051" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking><Content><ParaText id="4196592">Now Dean wants 10 extra minutes.</ParaText><ParaText id="4196593"><B>Mr. Dean Allison:</B> Just one is all right.</ParaText><ParaText id="4196594"><B>The Chair:</B> Just one. </ParaText><ParaText id="4196595">I don't have any problems with it personally as the chair, and if my colleagues don't have any problems with it, then we'll make the small amendment and we'll move on.</ParaText></Content></Intervention>
					<Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="8782302"><PersonSpeaking><Affiliation DbId="214396" Type="2">Mr. Garnett Genuis</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking><Content><ParaText id="4196596">We can vote on it.</ParaText></Content></Intervention>
					<Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="8782303"><PersonSpeaking><Affiliation DbId="219051" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking><Content><ParaText id="4196597">Yes. </ParaText><ParaText id="4196598"> (Motion negatived)</ParaText><ParaText id="4196599"><B>The Chair:</B> The next motion is on working meals:</ParaText><ParaText id="4196600"><Quote><QuotePara Align="Left" IndentFirst="2" IndentRest="2">That the Clerk of the Committee be authorized to make the necessary arrangements to provide working meals for the Committee and its Subcommittees.</QuotePara></Quote></ParaText><ParaText id="4196601">(Motion agreed to)</ParaText><ParaText id="4196602"><B>The Chair:</B> The next is on witnesses' expenses:</ParaText><ParaText id="4196603"><Quote><QuotePara Align="Left" IndentFirst="2" IndentRest="2">That, if requested, reasonable travel, accommodation and living expenses be reimbursed to witnesses not exceeding two (2) representatives per organization; provided that, in exceptional circumstances, payment for representatives be made at the discretion of the Chair.</QuotePara></Quote></ParaText><ParaText id="4196604">(Motion agreed to)</ParaText><ParaText id="4196605"><B>The Chair:</B> This next motion deals with staff at in camera meetings:</ParaText><ParaText id="4196606"><Quote><QuotePara Align="Left" IndentFirst="2" IndentRest="2">That, unless otherwise ordered, each Committee member be allowed to have one staff at an in camera meeting and that one additional person from each party be allowed to be present.</QuotePara></Quote></ParaText><ParaText id="4196607">I guess that was the standard motion last time. I don't see any problem with that.</ParaText><ParaText id="4196608">(Motion agreed to)</ParaText><ParaText id="4196609"><B>The Chair:</B> Next is on transcripts of in camera meetings:</ParaText><ParaText id="4196610"><Quote><QuotePara Align="Left" IndentFirst="2" IndentRest="2">That one copy of the transcript of each in camera meeting be kept in the Committee Clerk's office for consultation by members of the Committee or by their staff.</QuotePara></Quote></ParaText><ParaText id="4196611">It's a standard motion.</ParaText><ParaText id="4196612">(Motion agreed to)</ParaText><ParaText id="4196613"><B>The Chair:</B> Next is on notice of motions:</ParaText><ParaText id="4196614"><Quote><QuotePara Align="Left" IndentFirst="2" IndentRest="2">That forty-eight (48) hours' notice be required for any substantive motion to be considered by the Committee, unless the substantive motion relates directly to business then under consideration; and that the notice of motion be filed with the Clerk of the Committee and distributed to members in both official languages;</QuotePara><QuotePara Align="Left" IndentFirst="2" IndentRest="2">That, for motions requiring forty-eight (48) hours' notice, the Chair be authorized to defer consideration until fifteen (15) minutes prior to the adjournment time for the meeting as indicated in the notice of meeting and that these motions be received no later than 4:00 p.m.</QuotePara></Quote></ParaText><ParaText id="4196615">That sounds reasonable.</ParaText><ParaText id="4196616">(Motion agreed to)</ParaText><ParaText id="4196617"><B>The Chair:</B> Next is on gifts:</ParaText><ParaText id="4196618"><Quote><QuotePara Align="Left" IndentFirst="2" IndentRest="2">That the Committee be authorized to purchase gifts to be presented to foreign hosts and visiting delegations.</QuotePara></Quote></ParaText><ParaText id="4196619">(Motion agreed to)</ParaText><ParaText id="4196620"><B>The Chair:</B> Next is on purchase of documents:</ParaText><ParaText id="4196621"><Quote><QuotePara Align="Left" IndentFirst="2" IndentRest="2">That the Committee be authorized to purchase documents for the use of the Committee.</QuotePara></Quote></ParaText><ParaText id="4196622">This is another standard process.</ParaText><ParaText id="4196623">(Motion agreed to)</ParaText><ParaText id="4196624"><B>The Chair:</B> The next one is on the subcommittee:</ParaText><ParaText id="4196625"><Quote><QuotePara Align="Left" IndentFirst="2" IndentRest="2">That, pursuant to Standing Orders 108(1) and 108(2), a Subcommittee on International Human Rights be chaired by a member elected by the Subcommittee, and be established to inquire into matters relating to the promotion of respect for international human rights, as may be referred to it by the Committee;</QuotePara><QuotePara Align="Left" IndentFirst="2" IndentRest="2"> That the Subcommittee be composed of seven (7) members or associate members of which four (4) shall be government members, two (2) shall be from the Conservative Party, and one (1) from the New Democratic Party, to be named following the usual consultations with the Whips;</QuotePara><QuotePara Align="Left" IndentFirst="2" IndentRest="2">That the Subcommittee be empowered to send for persons, papers, and records, to receive evidence, to sit during a time when the Committee is not sitting in Ottawa, to sit when the Committee is sitting outside the Parliamentary Precinct and to sit during periods when the House stands adjourned; and </QuotePara><QuotePara Align="Left" IndentFirst="2" IndentRest="2"> That the Chair of the Subcommittee meet with the Subcommittee on Agenda and Procedure of the Committee at their mutual discretion.</QuotePara></Quote></ParaText></Content></Intervention>
					<Timestamp Hr="16" Mn="00">(1600)</Timestamp><Intervention Type="Debate" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="8783181"><PersonSpeaking><Affiliation DbId="219051" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking><Content><ParaText id="4196626"> Peter.</ParaText></Content></Intervention>
					<Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="8782321"><PersonSpeaking><Affiliation DbId="217884" Type="47">Hon. Peter Kent</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking><Content><ParaText id="4196627">Mr. Chair, should we specify that one of the government four should be designated chair?</ParaText></Content></Intervention>
					<Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="8782322" ToCText=""><PersonSpeaking><Affiliation DbId="219051" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking><Content><ParaText id="4196628">I would suspect so.</ParaText><ParaText id="4196629">Just to reflect the change to the second paragraph, “That the Subcommittee be chaired by a government member; That the membership be composed of seven (7) members or associate members of which four (4) shall be government members, two (2) shall be from the Conservative Party, and one (1) shall be from the New Democratic Party, to be named following the usual consultations with the Whips”.</ParaText><ParaText id="4196630">All those in favour?</ParaText><ParaText id="4196631">(Motion agreed to)</ParaText><ParaText id="4196632"><B>The Chair:</B> Those are all the procedural motions. </ParaText><ParaText id="4196633">Before we adjourn, I think we should have a discussion about process down the road, and I'll hear from all the members about where they want to take this. </ParaText><ParaText id="4196634">I wanted to make a few suggestions for all the members of the committee. The first would be to invite the officials to start to brief us as a committee. I think that's standard procedure. I also think it's a good idea for new members to have people from Global Affairs and international affairs come and talk to us, to get a sense of what the issues were in the previous Parliament, and of course, the issues of the day. That would be our agenda going forward, but obviously, we'd like to have a meeting of the subcommittee on agenda and procedure before that. I thought I would throw that into the discussion so we could invite them sooner rather than later, because I understand it takes a little while to get people to come to the committee.</ParaText><ParaText id="4196635"> Hélène.</ParaText></Content></Intervention>
					<Timestamp Hr="16" Mn="05">(1605)</Timestamp><Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="8782330"><PersonSpeaking><Affiliation DbId="217204" Type="47">Ms. Hélène Laverdière</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking><Content><ParaText id="4196636">I'm sorry. I hope my timing is not too far off again.</ParaText>
							<FloorLanguage language="FR">[<I>Translation</I>]</FloorLanguage><ParaText id="4196637">I would like to know whether I could file notices of motion before today's meeting is adjourned. I'm not talking about discussing the motions, of course. I just wanted to file them.</ParaText></Content></Intervention>
					<FloorLanguage language="EN">[<I>English</I>]</FloorLanguage><Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="8782333" ToCText=""><PersonSpeaking><Affiliation DbId="219051" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking><Content><ParaText id="4196638">I would prefer we didn't start off that way.</ParaText><ParaText id="4196639">What I'd like to do is have a good discussion with the committee about the work ahead. There will be plenty of time for notices of motion and the like. I don't necessarily think it makes much sense to start that process, but I can't stop the committee members from moving a notice of motion. It's perfectly legitimate for anyone to do that at this stage. </ParaText></Content></Intervention>
					<FloorLanguage language="FR">[<I>Translation</I>]</FloorLanguage><Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="8782338"><PersonSpeaking><Affiliation DbId="217204" Type="47">Ms. Hélène Laverdière</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking><Content><ParaText id="4196640">So, could I read the two notices of motion I have before me? We could discuss them at a later date.</ParaText></Content></Intervention>
					<FloorLanguage language="EN">[<I>English</I>]</FloorLanguage><Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="8782339" ToCText=""><PersonSpeaking><Affiliation DbId="219051" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking><Content><ParaText id="4196641">Yes, you can.</ParaText></Content></Intervention>
					<FloorLanguage language="FR">[<I>Translation</I>]</FloorLanguage><Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="8782340"><PersonSpeaking><Affiliation DbId="217204" Type="47">Ms. Hélène Laverdière</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking><Content><ParaText id="4196642">Thank you very much, Mr. Chair.</ParaText><ParaText id="4196643">I have two notices of motion I would like to....</ParaText></Content></Intervention>
					<FloorLanguage language="EN">[<I>English</I>]</FloorLanguage><Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="8782342" ToCText=""><PersonSpeaking><Affiliation DbId="219051" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking><Content><ParaText id="4196644"> Before we start, do we have copies of these motions for the members?</ParaText></Content></Intervention>
					<Intervention Type="Debate" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="8784748"><PersonSpeaking><Affiliation DbId="217204" Type="47">Ms. Hélène Laverdière</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking><Content><ParaText id="4196645">Yes.</ParaText></Content></Intervention>
					<Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="8782350" ToCText=""><PersonSpeaking><Affiliation DbId="219051" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking><Content><ParaText id="4196646"> Just so the committee is aware, these are notices of motion. An NDP member will read them out, and they will be tabled. Then we'll go to further discussion on committee business.</ParaText><ParaText id="4196647">Hélène, go ahead.</ParaText></Content></Intervention>
					<FloorLanguage language="FR">[<I>Translation</I>]</FloorLanguage><Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="8782352"><PersonSpeaking><Affiliation DbId="217204" Type="47">Ms. Hélène Laverdière</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking><Content><ParaText id="4196648">Thank you very much, Mr. Chair.</ParaText><ParaText id="4196649">I would like to give notice of the following motion: </ParaText><ParaText id="4198490"><Quote><QuotePara Align="Left" IndentFirst="2" IndentRest="2">That, pursuant to standing orders 108(1) and 108(2), a Subcommittee on Arms Control to be chaired by a member elected by the Subcommittee, be established to inquire into matters relating to Canadian arms exports and arms export permits;</QuotePara><QuotePara Align="Left" IndentFirst="2" IndentRest="2"> that the Subcommittee be composed of seven (7) members or associate members of which four (4) shall be government members, two (2) shall be Conservative Party members, and one (1) from the New Democratic Party, to be named following the usual consultations with the Whips;</QuotePara><QuotePara Align="Left" IndentFirst="2" IndentRest="2"> that the Subcommittee be empowered to send for persons, papers and records, to receive evidence, to sit during a time when the Committee is not sitting in Ottawa, to sit when the Committee is sitting outside the Parliamentary Precinct and to sit during periods when the House stands adjourned; </QuotePara><QuotePara Align="Left" IndentFirst="2" IndentRest="2">and that the Chair of the Subcommittee meet with the Subcommittee on Agenda and Procedure of the Committee at their mutual discretion. </QuotePara></Quote></ParaText><ParaText id="4196650">I also want to give notice of the following motion: </ParaText><ParaText id="4199465"><Quote><QuotePara Align="Left" IndentFirst="2" IndentRest="2">That, pursuant to standing order 108(2), the Standing Committee on Foreign Affairs and International Development undertake a study on Women, Peace and Security; including an examination of the efforts of the Government of Canada to implement and support the United Nations Security Council Resolutions on women, peace and security (including resolutions 1325 and 1889 on the participation of women in peace processes; resolutions 1820, 1888 and 1960 on sexual violence in conflict; and resolution 2122 on women's leadership in conflict resolution and peacebuilding); and report its findings back to the House. </QuotePara></Quote></ParaText><ParaText id="4196651">Thank you.</ParaText></Content></Intervention><Timestamp Hr="16" Mn="10">(1610)</Timestamp><FloorLanguage language="EN">[<I>English</I>]</FloorLanguage><Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="8782363" ToCText=""><PersonSpeaking><Affiliation DbId="219051" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking><Content><ParaText id="4196652">Thank you. It is noted that these notices of motion have been submitted to the committee.</ParaText><ParaText id="4196653">Before that, I think, Garnett, you wanted to speak to some other matter.</ParaText></Content></Intervention>
					<Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="8782370"><PersonSpeaking><Affiliation DbId="214396" Type="2">Mr. Garnett Genuis</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking><Content><ParaText id="4196654">Yes, I did, Mr. Chair.</ParaText><ParaText id="4196655">I'm the vice-chair of the Parliamentary Friends of Tibet. The foreign minister from Tibet is going to be here in Ottawa in various meetings on Parliament Hill on February 16, which is the scheduled date of our next committee.</ParaText><ParaText id="4196656">I know this is moving rather quickly, and the chair may be able to tell me whether this requires a simple majority or unanimous consent to move forward on, but I think it would be very worthwhile if the committee were to take advantage of the opportunity and try to schedule a visit to this committee by the minister from the Tibetan government in exile. It would give us an opportunity to ask some important questions about that government and about the upcoming election in March for the Tibetan government in exile. It would also give us an opportunity to explore some broader questions about human rights issues in the region.</ParaText><ParaText id="4196657">As much as it might be nice to have a bit more time to fit this into a broader study, because the minister is going to be here on February 16, we probably need to decide today if we're going to do it or not in order to make it happen.</ParaText></Content></Intervention>
					<Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="8782376" ToCText=""><PersonSpeaking><Affiliation DbId="219051" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking><Content><ParaText id="4196658">You've put the chair in a pretty difficult spot. On the one hand, we've just spoken to the process and procedure of giving notice, and you're basically coming forward without notice and asking the committee to make a decision.</ParaText><ParaText id="4196659"> Unless we decide as a committee to change our process, I'll have to rule that as not admissible and not debatable, simply because you're not giving us notice and/or giving us written notice. That's the procedure we have decided to follow. Until we have had the chance to sit down and talk about these things as a committee as a whole, I think we'll have to leave it at that.</ParaText></Content></Intervention>
					<Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="8782379"><PersonSpeaking><Affiliation DbId="214396" Type="2">Mr. Garnett Genuis</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking><Content><ParaText id="4196660">Could I have the opportunity to ask the committee, then, for unanimous consent? If we have unanimous consent, my understanding is that we can move forward in spite of those rules. Right?</ParaText></Content></Intervention>
					<Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="8782381" ToCText=""><PersonSpeaking><Affiliation DbId="219051" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking><Content><ParaText id="4196661">I don't think so, but I'm at the disposal of the committee.</ParaText><ParaText id="4196662"> Does anyone want to speak to this request, colleagues? No?</ParaText></Content></Intervention>
					<Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="8782382"><PersonSpeaking><Affiliation DbId="214396" Type="2">Mr. Garnett Genuis</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking><Content><ParaText id="4196663">Mr. Chairman, I'm a bit confused, because you said it's up to the committee, if I understand that correctly.</ParaText><ParaText id="4196664">Can I ask if there is agreement by the committee to move forward to do this?</ParaText><ParaText id="4196665">If anyone objects, then we won't do it, but if there is a consensus that this is something worth doing, then let's seize the moment and do it.</ParaText></Content></Intervention>
					<Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="8782383" ToCText=""><PersonSpeaking><Affiliation DbId="219051" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking><Content><ParaText id="4196666">Before we go down that road, Garnett, you're basically asking for a motion to move beyond the rules of procedure that we've agreed to and to allow the committee, which is their right, to approve your request to have the ambassador come to this committee.</ParaText><ParaText id="4196667">Which date are you proposing?</ParaText></Content></Intervention>
					<Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="8782384"><PersonSpeaking><Affiliation DbId="214396" Type="2">Mr. Garnett Genuis</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking><Content><ParaText id="4196668">Just to clarify, it's not the ambassador; it's the foreign minister. It would be February 16. </ParaText></Content></Intervention>
					<Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="8782387" ToCText=""><PersonSpeaking><Affiliation DbId="219051" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking><Content><ParaText id="4196669">All right, colleagues, you've heard the motion by our colleague who wants to forgo our procedures and move it.</ParaText><ParaText id="4196670">(Motion negatived)</ParaText></Content></Intervention>
					<Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="8782389"><PersonSpeaking><Affiliation DbId="215931" Type="47">Mr. Marc Miller</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking><Content><ParaText id="4196671"> Just to make sure we're on the same page, there is a process we want to respect. Obviously, that is a very important meeting, and if we have the time, we should meet. Madam Laverdière wants to form two committees. They are equally important. I think we have to have ground rules. </ParaText><ParaText id="4196672">I get it, Garnett. It's a great idea and it conveys our respect to him, but I think we need a process and ground rules.</ParaText></Content></Intervention>
					<Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="8782392"><PersonSpeaking><Affiliation DbId="214396" Type="2">Mr. Garnett Genuis</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking><Content><ParaText id="4196673">It's just that this particular issue is time-sensitive. She's not going to be here on February 18 or in March. She'll be here on February 16.</ParaText><ParaText id="4196674">I'm sorry. I wouldn't have brought it forward if it weren't time-sensitive in this way. I would be happy to follow the normal procedure. It's just that this is our first meeting, and that will be our second meeting. Either we do it or we don't. We voted and that's where we are.</ParaText></Content></Intervention>
					<Timestamp Hr="16" Mn="15">(1615)</Timestamp><Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="8782394" ToCText=""><PersonSpeaking><Affiliation DbId="219051" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking><Content><ParaText id="4196675">Hélène is next.</ParaText></Content></Intervention>
					<Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="8782395"><PersonSpeaking><Affiliation DbId="217204" Type="47">Ms. Hélène Laverdière</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking><Content><ParaText id="4196676">First to clarify, I understand it's a foreign minister of the government in exile, of course.</ParaText><ParaText id="4196677">Of course, I would be in agreement with meeting with that person. I think it could be a great opportunity for us. If it's not possible, at least it has happened in the past that the chair would organize a less formal meeting or a lunch at the parliamentary restaurant, or something like that, so that the committee could meet those representatives.</ParaText></Content></Intervention>
					<Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="8782400"><PersonSpeaking><Affiliation DbId="214396" Type="2">Mr. Garnett Genuis</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking><Content><ParaText id="4196678"> Just on that, for the committee's information, I believe there will be a reception after question period in any event, so members will have an opportunity to meet more informally. I would still see some value in having the opportunity for a more formal presentation, but that would be at the will of the committee.</ParaText></Content></Intervention>
					<Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="8782404" ToCText=""><PersonSpeaking><Affiliation DbId="219051" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking><Content><ParaText id="4196679">Mr. Sidhu.</ParaText></Content></Intervention>
					<Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="8782405"><PersonSpeaking><Affiliation DbId="215928" Type="47">Mr. Jati Sidhu</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking><Content><ParaText id="4196680">I just wanted to correct the protocol. My friend Garnett was asking members questions directly. Any question a member has must be funnelled through the chair. Then it's up to the chair, if he is comfortable putting that motion forward, to ask the members if it's appropriate. That's all.</ParaText><ParaText id="4196681">Thank you.</ParaText></Content></Intervention>
					<Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="8782407" ToCText=""><PersonSpeaking><Affiliation DbId="219051" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking><Content><ParaText id="4196682">Dean, you're next.</ParaText></Content></Intervention>
					<Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="8782408"><PersonSpeaking><Affiliation DbId="217886" Type="47">Mr. Dean Allison</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking><Content><ParaText id="4196683">Very quickly, I was going to mention what Hélène said. In the past, we've met informally, even around the table, but just not recorded it. That is another option. I'll just leave it at that, because this is time-sensitive.</ParaText></Content></Intervention>
					<Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="8782409" ToCText=""><PersonSpeaking><Affiliation DbId="219051" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking><Content><ParaText id="4196684">Peter.</ParaText></Content></Intervention>
					<Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="8782410"><PersonSpeaking><Affiliation DbId="217884" Type="47">Hon. Peter Kent</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking><Content><ParaText id="4196685">I would just say that circumstances have placed the chair and the committee in a difficult situation given that we've just approved routine motions. But just as a reminder, should similar circumstances present themselves in the future, the committee is the master of its own domain. I think Hélène and Dean have suggested some good alternatives in this particular case.</ParaText></Content></Intervention>
					<Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="8782412" ToCText=""><PersonSpeaking><Affiliation DbId="219051" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking><Content><ParaText id="4196686">Why don't you let the chair explore those alternatives and see what we can come up with, and we will stick with the orders of the day?</ParaText><ParaText id="4196687">Would it be acceptable for the chair to ask the committee to allow a motion requesting that Global Affairs, the appropriate officials, come to the committee at their earliest convenience so that we can all be briefed? That would give us an opportunity to start talking in our subcommittee about the agenda, and obviously we'll also deal with the motions that have been presented by the NDP.</ParaText></Content></Intervention>
					<Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="8782430"><PersonSpeaking><Affiliation DbId="217204" Type="47">Ms. Hélène Laverdière</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking><Content><ParaText id="4196688">Mr. Chair, I think that's a very good idea and I understand that will also be to go over the issues that are hot right now. I was just wondering what kind of level you were thinking of. Did you mean ADM or deputy minister, or should we let the department decide who they're going to send to talk about the hot issues?</ParaText></Content></Intervention>
					<Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="8782432" ToCText=""><PersonSpeaking><Affiliation DbId="219051" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking><Content><ParaText id="4196689"> It certainly is my intention to get someone as high up as we can get, who knows what the issues are in the department. I'll leave it to the officials to find out who's available and in what time frame. I'd like to get the committee up and running. If the department is not really seized with or ready to get into that discussion, then we'll have to come back to the committee and inform you of that.</ParaText><ParaText id="4196690">Peter.</ParaText></Content></Intervention>
					<Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="8782434"><PersonSpeaking><Affiliation DbId="217884" Type="47">Hon. Peter Kent</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking><Content><ParaText id="4196691">Chair, a number of other committees have moved forward by offering an invitation to the minister to discuss his mandate letter.</ParaText></Content></Intervention>
					<Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="8782436" ToCText=""><PersonSpeaking><Affiliation DbId="219051" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking><Content><ParaText id="4196692">Yes. Well, without going too far down the road, that was obviously going to be my second discussion with you, with a motion to request that the minister come at his convenience to brief us. I also think that makes good sense, Peter, so that was certainly my intent to get the committee off on the right foot. </ParaText><ParaText id="4196693">Can we start with the motion, though, to request our officials to approach Global Affairs and the appropriate officials to come to this committee as soon as possible? Could I make that motion? All those in favour?</ParaText><ParaText id="4196694">(Motion agreed to)</ParaText><ParaText id="4196695"><B>The Chair:</B> Okay. Let's leave it at that. It is my intention as well to pursue the discussion with the minister about coming as soon as possible, which would make good sense for all of us. There are two ministers, as you know, so I would want you to keep that in mind. We will request that and see where we go with it. I'll report back to the committee on those matters.</ParaText><ParaText id="4196696">Mr. Allison.</ParaText></Content></Intervention>
					<Timestamp Hr="16" Mn="20">(1620)</Timestamp><Intervention Type="" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="8782439"><PersonSpeaking><Affiliation DbId="217886" Type="47">Mr. Dean Allison</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking><Content><ParaText id="4196697">I promise to keep this short. I want the committee members to consider this.</ParaText><ParaText id="4196698"> I believe that as the foreign affairs committee we should be in New York and in Washington from time to time. We don't always get to it because studies and things show up, and we don't get a chance to build those relationships. With what we do—and we're going to talk about what we're going to move forward on—that should be part of the thought process as well, that we have a chance to reach out to our counterparts in both those places.</ParaText><ParaText id="4196699"> I'll leave it at that. I'll address the rest of these things at subcommittee.</ParaText></Content></Intervention>
					<Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="8782443" ToCText=""><PersonSpeaking><Affiliation DbId="219051" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking><Content><ParaText id="4196700">That sounds good.</ParaText><ParaText id="4196701">There is no further business, so I will bring this meeting to a close. </ParaText><ParaText id="4196702">I think we have a regular slot, right?</ParaText></Content></Intervention>
					<Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="8782445"><PersonSpeaking><Affiliation DbId="214746" Type="27">The Clerk</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking><Content><ParaText id="4196703">Yes.</ParaText></Content></Intervention>
					<Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="8782446" ToCText=""><PersonSpeaking><Affiliation DbId="219051" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking><Content><ParaText id="4196704">The next official date is February 16. I'd like to see if we could get the subcommittee to meet before that. I'll attempt to do that. I'll reach out to you.</ParaText><ParaText id="4196705">Thank you very much, colleagues. It was a very good meeting. I hope to see you bright and chipper here after the week of constituency work.</ParaText><ParaText id="4196706">The meeting is adjourned.</ParaText></Content></Intervention>
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