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		<OrderOfBusiness><CatchLine></CatchLine><SubjectOfBusiness><SubjectOfBusinessContent><Timestamp Hr="11" Mn="05">(1105)</Timestamp><FloorLanguage language="EN">[<I>English</I>]</FloorLanguage><Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="3538606"><PersonSpeaking><Affiliation DbId="162373" Type="35">The Chair (Hon. Joseph Volpe (Eglinton—Lawrence, Lib.))</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking><Content><ParaText id="2179542">Colleagues, I call the meeting to order. </ParaText><ParaText id="2179543">Good morning. For this first part we're in public, as per usual. </ParaText><ParaText id="2179544">We'll discuss the recommendations emanating out of steering committee yesterday. Then we'll go on to the regular business, for which we will probably go in camera. </ParaText><ParaText id="2179545">Colleagues, yesterday, November 17, your subcommittee met to consider the business of the committee and agreed to make the following recommendations:</ParaText><ParaText id="2179546"><Quote><QuotePara Align="Left" IndentFirst="3" IndentRest="2">1. That, pursuant to the motion adopted by the Committee on Thursday, April 15, 2010, in relation to correspondence concerning the implementation of the Committee’s recommendations in its report on Chapter 9, “Pension and Insurance Administration—Royal Canadian Mounted Police,” of the November 2006 Report of the Auditor General of Canada (2nd Report, 2nd Session of the 39th Parliament), the Chair be authorized to communicate with the government and that witnesses be invited to the Committee in the immediate future.</QuotePara></Quote></ParaText><ParaText id="2179547">Mr. Kramp.</ParaText></Content></Intervention>
					<Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="3538611"><PersonSpeaking><Affiliation DbId="162374" Type="40">Mr. Daryl Kramp (Prince Edward—Hastings, CPC)</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking><Content><ParaText id="2179548">Chair, that wasn't quite the way I anticipated it, or what I thought I'd heard. What I'd heard at the meeting was that....</ParaText><ParaText id="2179549">There was no doubt we stated our concerns, and we wanted them dealt with, and we wanted a response. But it was my understanding that we were to issue that request for a response with an understanding that if we were not satisfied with that response, and that response was to be due PDQ, at that point then we would certainly be calling witnesses forward. </ParaText><ParaText id="2179550">I think we're prejudging when we're saying that “witnesses be invited”. Should we not wait for the response, unless you want to authorize it...? Are you suggesting that the chair be authorized to call witnesses if we don't like the response?</ParaText><ParaText id="2179551">That's just the point I'm trying to make here. </ParaText></Content></Intervention>
					<Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="3538630"><PersonSpeaking><Affiliation DbId="162373" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking><Content><ParaText id="2179552">Madame Faille? No? Okay.</ParaText><ParaText id="2179553">Thank you for that, Mr. Kramp. I don't think the recommendation is intended to convey that particular impression. You're quite right, we did debate this at some length. The idea was to communicate with the government and say there's complete dissatisfaction. If we don't get the answer, it will be.... </ParaText><ParaText id="2179554">I think we tried to use the word that was the most appropriate--“forthwith”, “immediate”, and I think a few other words were conveyed to suggest the urgency. So this is the language to encapsulate all of that. </ParaText><ParaText id="2179555">There's no confusion in the chair's mind about where the steering committee wanted that recommendation to go. It's just very difficult to combine all of those in that one phrase. </ParaText></Content></Intervention>
					<Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="3538641"><PersonSpeaking><Affiliation DbId="162374" Type="40">Mr. Daryl Kramp</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking><Content><ParaText id="2179556">Fine. As long as we have that understanding, I'm fine.</ParaText></Content></Intervention>
					<FloorLanguage language="FR">[<I>Translation</I>]</FloorLanguage><Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="3538644" ToCText=""><PersonSpeaking><Affiliation DbId="162373" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking><Content><ParaText id="2179557">Do you agree, Madame Faille?</ParaText></Content></Intervention>
					<Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="3538645"><PersonSpeaking><Affiliation DbId="160907" Type="47">Ms. Meili Faille (Vaudreuil-Soulanges, BQ)</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking><Content><ParaText id="2179558">Yes, I do.</ParaText></Content></Intervention>
					<Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" id="3538646" ToCText=""><PersonSpeaking><Affiliation DbId="162373" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking><Content><ParaText id="2179559">And you, Monsieur D'Amours? Thank you.</ParaText><ParaText id="2179560">Yes, Mr. Saxton?</ParaText></Content></Intervention>
					<FloorLanguage language="EN">[<I>English</I>]</FloorLanguage><Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="3538653"><PersonSpeaking><Affiliation DbId="159840" Type="47">Mr. Andrew Saxton (North Vancouver, CPC)</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking><Content><ParaText id="2179561">I have a question. When you talk about “witnesses”, who are the witnesses going to be?</ParaText></Content></Intervention>
					<Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="3538654"><PersonSpeaking><Affiliation DbId="162373" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking><Content><ParaText id="2179562">Well, I think the committee yesterday...and I stand to be corrected if I convey the wrong impression. That's not my intent. But I think the witnesses were those who we would typically get, and that would be the deputy minister.</ParaText></Content></Intervention>
					<Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="3538658"><PersonSpeaking><Affiliation DbId="159840" Type="47">Mr. Andrew Saxton</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking><Content><ParaText id="2179563">Okay. I just wanted to clarify that. </ParaText></Content></Intervention>
					<Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="3538659"><PersonSpeaking><Affiliation DbId="162373" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking><Content><ParaText id="2179564">I think that's where we were going to start. We weren't going anywhere else.</ParaText></Content></Intervention>
					<Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="3538663"><PersonSpeaking><Affiliation DbId="159840" Type="47">Mr. Andrew Saxton</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking><Content><ParaText id="2179565">Okay. Good.</ParaText></Content></Intervention>
					<Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="3538664"><PersonSpeaking><Affiliation DbId="162373" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking><Content><ParaText id="2179566">I have acceptance of recommendation number one?</ParaText><ParaText id="2179567"><B>Some hon. members:</B> Agreed.</ParaText><ParaText id="2179568"><B>The Chair:</B> Thank you. It's so accepted. </ParaText><ParaText id="2179569">Recommendation two reads as follows:</ParaText><ParaText id="2179570"><Quote><QuotePara Align="Left" IndentFirst="3" IndentRest="2">2. That, in relation to the documents concerning the West Block restoration project, requested from the Department of Public Works and Government Services pursuant to the motions adopted by the Committee on Thursday, October 21 and Tuesday, November 2, 2010, the analysts from the Library of Parliament be authorized to review the documents</QuotePara></Quote></ParaText><ParaText id="2179571">--I notice that we haven't put them down as “at source”--</ParaText><ParaText id="2179572"><Quote><QuotePara Align="Left" IndentFirst="2" IndentRest="2"> categorize them and create a list for the use of the Committee.</QuotePara></Quote>
							</ParaText><ParaText id="2179573">The committee there would be for the steering committee, which would then, after receiving that information, make a determination of how we would proceed next. </ParaText><ParaText id="2179574">Mr. Kramp.</ParaText></Content></Intervention>
					<Timestamp Hr="11" Mn="10">(1110)</Timestamp><Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="3538665"><PersonSpeaking><Affiliation DbId="162374" Type="40">Mr. Daryl Kramp</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking><Content><ParaText id="2179575">I just want to go on record as well, Chair, that, for the reasons I gave at steering committee, obviously I'm in opposition to this. I think it's outside of our mandate, etc. </ParaText><ParaText id="2179576">Obviously the steering committee voted on this issue and it has come forward, but I'm stating very, very clearly that the government is opposed to this.</ParaText></Content></Intervention>
					<Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="3538674"><PersonSpeaking><Affiliation DbId="162373" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking><Content><ParaText id="2179577">Are you suggesting, Mr. Kramp, that we have a vote on it? </ParaText></Content></Intervention>
					<Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="3538675"><PersonSpeaking><Affiliation DbId="162374" Type="40">Mr. Daryl Kramp</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking><Content><ParaText id="2179578">Thank you.</ParaText></Content></Intervention>
					<Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="3538676"><PersonSpeaking><Affiliation DbId="162373" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking><Content><ParaText id="2179579">Those in favour of the recommendation?</ParaText><ParaText id="2179580">Recommendation accepted.... </ParaText><ParaText id="2179581">Oops, sorry: it's five and five. </ParaText><ParaText id="2179582">Okay. The chair will have to vote.</ParaText><ParaText id="2179583">(Motion negatived [See <I>Minutes of Proceedings</I>]</ParaText><ParaText id="2179584"><B>The Chair:</B> I vote in favour of the recommendation as per the will of the steering committee. I would maintain that status quo. </ParaText><ParaText id="2179585"><B>Some hon. members:</B> Agreed. </ParaText><ParaText id="2179586">
								<B>The Chair:</B> Thank you very much. </ParaText></Content></Intervention>
					<Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="3538685"><PersonSpeaking><Affiliation DbId="159840" Type="47">Mr. Andrew Saxton</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking><Content><ParaText id="2179587">What status quo was that, Chair?</ParaText></Content></Intervention>
					<Intervention Type="Interjection" ToC="No" ToCText="" id="3538686"><PersonSpeaking><Affiliation DbId="162373" Type="35">The Chair</Affiliation>: </PersonSpeaking><Content><ParaText id="2179588">The status quo was the recommendation of the steering committee.</ParaText><ParaText id="2179589">All right. Thank you very much. That would be it.</ParaText><ParaText id="2179590">We'll move on now to item two. For this part, we're going to go in camera. </ParaText><ParaText id="2179591">[<I>Proceedings continue in camera</I>]</ParaText></Content></Intervention>
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