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MINUTES OF PROCEEDINGS


WEDNESDAY, JUNE 12, 1996
(Meeting No. 1)

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The Sub-Committee on Sustainable Human Development of the Standing Committee on Foreign Affairs and International Trade met at 4:10 o'clock p.m. this day, in Room 306, West Block, the Chair, John English, presiding.

Members of the Sub-Committee present: John English, John Godfrey and Keith Martin.

Other Member present: Philippe Paré

In attendance: From the Research Branch of the Library of Parliament: Gerald Schmitz and James Lee, Research Officers.

The Orders of Reference from the Standing Committee on Foreign Affairs and International Trade being read as follows:

Ordered,--That pursuant to Standing Order 108(1) and 108(2), a Sub-Committee on Sustainable Human Development of the Standing Commitee on Foreign Affairs and International Trade be established to consider issues of global cooperation on objectives of sustainable development and human security, including the promotion of respect for fundamental human rights;

Ordered,--That the Sub-Committee be composed of five members or associate members of the Committee, as follows: John English as Chair, Colleen Beaumier, John Godfrey, Maud Debien and one member from the Reform Party, to be named following the usual consultations;

Ordered,--That the evidence adduced by the Sub-Committee of the Committee on Human Rights during the First Session of this Parliament be deemed referred to the Sub-Committee on Sustainable Human Development; and

Ordered,--That the Sub-Committee be empowered to send for persons, papers and records, to sit while the House is sitting, to sit during periods when the House stands adjourned and to publish from time to time such papers and evidence as may be ordered by it.

The Sub-Committee proceeded to sit in camera to discuss future business.

It was agreed,--That the Sub-Committee limit its scope to one primary area of endeavour (not precluding other cases where necessary), and that the first study should be on child labour.

At 4:50 o'clock p.m., the Sub-Committee adjourned to the call of the Chair.


WEDNESDAY, JUNE 19, 1996
(Meeting No. 2)
The Evidence for this meeting is not available because it was held in camera.

The Sub-Committee on Sustainable Human Development of the Standing Committee on Foreign Affairs and International Trade met in camera at 3:40 o'clock p.m. this day, in Room 208, West Block, the Chair, John English, presiding.

Members of the Sub-Committee present: Maud Debien, John English, John Godfrey and Keith Martin.

In attendance: From the Research Branch of the Library of Parliament: Gerald Schmitz and James Lee, Research Officers. From the office of John English: Gordon Shields, Legislative Assistant. From Liberal Party Research: Louise Laliberté, Research Officer.

In accordance with its mandate under Standing Order 108(2), and its Order of Wednesday, June 12, 1996, the Sub-Committee commenced its examination of Child Labour.

Witness: From the Senate of Canada: Honourable Landon Pearson, Senator.

Senator Landon Pearson made a statement and answered questions.

At 4:30 o'clock p.m., the Sub-Committee adjourned to the call of the Chair.


WEDNESDAY, SEPTEMBER 18, 1996
(Meeting No. 3)
The Evidence for this meeting is not available because it was held in camera.

The Sub-Committee on Sustainable Human Development of the Standing Committee on Foreign Affairs and International Trade met in camera at 3:48 o'clock p.m. this day, in Room 306, West Block, the Chairman, John English, presiding.

Members of the Sub-Committee present: Colleen Beaumier, Maud Debien, John English, Keith Martin and John Godfrey.

Other Member present: Philippe Paré.

In attendance: From the Research Branch of the Library of Parliament: Gerald Schmitz, Research Officer. From the office of John English: Gordon Shields, Legislative Assistant.

In accordance with its mandate under Standing Order 108(2) the Sub-Committee proceeded to discuss future business.

It was agreed,--That the Vietnamese Canadian Federation, the Canadian Friends of Burma and the Federation for a Democratic China be invited to make a presentation to the Sub-Committee on Wednesday, September 25, 1996.

It was agreed,--That three televised roundtable discussions be held on Wednesday October 2 and Thursday October 3, 1996, on the subject of Child Labour.

It was agreed,--That the Sub-Committee receive the delegation from the CIDA Regional Initiatives Support Programme in Central America on Wednesday, October 9, 1996, referred by the Standing Committee on Foreign Affairs and International Trade.

It was agreed,--That, subject to Members' schedules, member groups from the Network on International Human Rights be invited to participate in a televised roundtable discussion of Child Labour and disabled and refugee children.

At 4:30 o'clock p.m., the Sub-Committee adjourned to the call of the Chair.


WEDNESDAY, SEPTEMBER 25, 1996
(Meeting No. 4)

The Sub-Committee on Sustainable Human Development of the Standing Committee on Foreign Affairs and International Trade met at 3:37 o'clock p.m. this day, in Room 307, West Block, the Acting Chairman, John Godfrey, presiding.

Members of the Sub-Committee present: Maud Debien, Beryl Gaffney and John Godfrey.

Acting Member present: The Honourable Sheila Finestone for John English.

Other Members present: Rex Crawford, Bill Graham and Philippe Paré.

In attendance: From the Research Branch of the Library of Parliament: Gerald Schmitz, Research Officer.

Witnesses: From the Vietnamese Canadian Federation: Dr. Thu Van Lam, Human Rights Commission; Mr. Minh Tri Truong, Multiculturalism. From the International Committee for a Free Vietnam: Mr. Hai Ngo, Coordinator; Mr. Tan Tri Nguyen, Former prisoner recently released from Vietnam. From the Canadian Friends of Burma: Kevin Heppner, Director, Karen Human Rights Group; Penny Sanger, Executive Committee; Christine Harmston, Coordinator. From the Federation for a Democratic China: Rebecca To, Representative.

In accordance with its mandate under Standing Order 108(2), the Sub-Committee resumed its examination of Child Labour and Sustainable Human Development (See Minutes of Proceedings of Wednesday, June 19, 1996, Issue No. 1).

Dr. Thu Van Lam and Minh Tri Truong, from the Vietnamese Canadian Federation, made statements.

Hai Ngo and Tan Tri Nguyen, from the International Committee for a Free Vietnam, made statements.

Kevin Heppner, Christine Harmston and Penny Sanger, from the Canadian Friends of Burma, made statements.

Rebecca To, from the Federation for a Democratic China, made a statement.

The witnesses answered questions.

At 5:40 o'clock p.m., the Sub-Committee adjourned to the call of the Chair.


WEDNESDAY, OCTOBER 2, 1996
(Meeting No. 5)

The Sub-Committee on Sustainable Human Development of the Standing Committee on Foreign Affairs and International Trade met, in a televised session, at 3:54 o'clock p.m. this day, in Room 253-D, Centre Block, the Chairman, John English, presiding.

Members of the Sub-Committee present: Maud Debien, John English, Beryl Gaffney, John Godfrey and Keith Martin.

Other Members present: Stéphane Bergeron, Francis LeBlanc and Philippe Paré.

In attendance: From the Research Branch of the Library of Parliament: Gerald Schmitz, Research Officer.

Appearing: The Honourable Lloyd Axworthy, Minister of Foreign Affairs and International Trade.

Witnesses: From Foreign Affairs and International Trade: Honourable Senator Landon Pearson, Advisor to the Minister on Children's Rights; Lucie Edwards, Director General, Global Issues Bureau. From the Canadian Council for International Cooperation: Betty Plewes, President and Chief Executive Officer. From the Human Rights Research and Education Centre: Errol Mendes, Director. From CLUB 2/3: Jean Rock Roy, Director of Communications. From ``Jeunesse du Monde'': Serge Fleury, Coordinator, Youth Programs. From ``Défense des enfants internationale'': Jacques Tremblay, Representative; Manon Bernier, Representative.

In accordance with its mandate under Standing Order 108(2), the Sub-Committee resumed its examination of Child Labour and Sustainable Human Development (See Minutes of Proceedings of Wednesday, June 19, 1996, Issue No. 1).

The Honourable Lloyd Axworthy made a statement and, with Senator Landon Pearson and Lucie Edwards, answered questions.

The Minister tabled the following documents: Draft Declaration and Agenda for Action of the World Congress against Sexual Exploitation of Children - Stockholm, Sweden, 27-31 August, 1996. Executive Summary of the RUGMARK Report.

At 5:04 o'clock p.m., the sitting was suspended.

At 5:13 o'clock p.m., the sitting resumed.

Betty Plewes, from the Canadian Council for International Cooperation, made a statement.

Errol Mendes, from the Human Rights Research and Education Centre, made a statement.

Jean Rock Roy, from CLUB 2/3, made a statement.

Serge Fleury, from ``Jeunesse du Monde'', made a statement.

Jacques Tremblay, from ``Défense des enfants internationale'', made a statement.

The witnesses participated in a roundtable discussion.

At 6:45 o'clock p.m., the Sub-Committee adjourned to the call of the Chair.


THURSDAY, OCTOBER 3, 1996
(Meeting No. 6)

The Sub-Committee on Sustainable Human Development of the Standing Committee on Foreign Affairs and International Trade met, in a televised session, at 9:15 o'clock a.m. this day, in Room 253-D, Centre Block, the Chairman, John English, presiding.

Members of the Sub-Committee present: Maud Debien, John English, Beryl Gaffney and John Godfrey.

Acting Member present: Eleni Bakopanos for John English.

Other Members present: Philippe Paré and Osvaldo Nunez.

In attendance: From the Research Branch of the Library of Parliament: Gerald Schmitz, Research Officer.

Witnesses: From the Steelworkers Humanity Fund: Gerry Barr, Representative. From Save the Children (Canada): Girish Godbole, Country Director, India. From the Canadian Labour Congress: Stephen Benedict, National Director, International Department. Individual Presentation: John Harker, Former Director, International Labour Organization (ILO), Canada Branch Office. From the "Confédération des syndicats nationaux (CSN)"--International Relations: Louise Lavallée, Secretary; Marie Pépin, Legal Counsel.

In accordance with its mandate under Standing Order 108(2), the Sub-Committee resumed its examination of Child Labour and Sustainable Human Development. (See Minutes of Proceedings of Wednesday, June 19, 1996, Issue No. 1).

Gerry Barr, from the Steelworkers Humanity Fund, made a statement.

At 9:25 o'clock a.m., John Godfrey took the Chair.

Girish Godbole, from Save the Children (Canada), made a statement.

Stephen Benedict, from the Canadian Labour Congress, made a statement.

John Harker made a statement.

Marie Pépin, from the ``Centrale des syndicats nationaux'' made a statement.

The witnesses participated in a roundtable discussion.

At 11:30 o'clock a.m., John English resumed the Chair.

At 11:55 o'clock a.m., the Sub-Committee adjourned to the call of the Chair.


THURSDAY, OCTOBER 3, 1996
(Meeting No. 7)

The Sub-Committee on Sustainable Human Developement of the Standing Committee on Foreign Affairs and International Trade met, in a televised session, at 3:35 o'clock p.m. this day, in Room 253-D, Centre Block, the Chairman, John English, presiding.

Members of the Sub-Committee present: Maud Debien, John English, Beryl Gaffney and John Godfrey.

Acting Members present: Eleni Bakopanos for John Godfrey; Rey Pagtakhan for Beryl Gaffney; Lee Morrison for Keith Martin.

Other Members present: Philippe Paré and Stéphane Bergeron.

In attendance: From the Research Branch of the Library of Parliament: Gerald Schmitz, Research Officer.

Appearing: The Honourable Pierre Pettigrew, Minister for International Cooperation and Minister Responsible for Francophonie.

Witnesses: From the Canadian International Development Agency: Huguette Labelle, President. From the Canadian Apparel Federation: Stephen Beatty, Executive Director. From Levi Strauss & Co.: William J. Maroni, Vice-President, Government Affairs and Public Policy. From Trio Selection Inc. (Cream Soda Clothing): Subash Khanna, Secretary-Treasurer. From Alexanian Carpet: Linda Alexanian, Buyer.

In accordance with its mandate under Standing Order 108(2), the Sub-committee resumed its examination of Child Labour and Sustainable Human Development. (See Minutes of Proceedings of Wednesday, June 19, 1996, Issue No. 1).

The Honourable Pierre Pettigrew made a statement and, with Huguette Labelle, answered questions.

The Minister tabled the following document: Approaches to Child Labour (Political and Social Policies Division, CIDA, October 1996).

At 4:35 o'clock p.m. the sitting was suspended.

At 4:45 o'clock p.m. the sitting resumed.

Stephen Beatty, from the Canadian Apparel Federation, made a statement.

William J. Maroni, from Levi Strauss & Co., made a statement.

Subash Khanna, from Trio Selection Inc., made a statement.

Linda Alexanian, from Alexanian Carpets, made a statement.

The witnesses participated in a roundtable discussion.

At 6:20 o'clock p.m., the Sub-Committee adjourned to the call of the Chair.


WEDNESDAY, OCTOBER 9, 1996
(Meeting No. 8)

The Sub-Committee on Sustainable Human Development of the Standing Committee on Foreign Affairs and International Trade met at 3:30 o'clock p.m. this day, in Room 208, West Block, the Chairman, John English, presiding.

Members of the Sub-Committee present: Maud Debien, John English, Beryl Gaffney, John Godfrey and Keith Martin.

Other Member present: Osvaldo Nunez.

In attendance: From the Research Branch of the Library of Parliament: Gerald Schmitz, Research Officer.

Witnesses: From the Canadian International Development Agency (CIDA): Jacques Bédard, Acting Regional Director, Central America Program. From CRC Sogema: André Carrier, Project Manager; Carlos Manuel Echeverria, Regional Director, PAR Program, Costa Rica. From the Regional Initiatives Support Program: Richard Aitkenhead Castillo, Representative of the President of the Republic of Guatemala, Responsible for the coordination of International cooperation for Peace, Guatemala City; Irma Acosta De Fortin, Coordinator, International Development Corporation, Tegucigalpa; Mirna Lievano De Marquez, Director, Superior School of Economy and Business, El Salvador; Xabier Gorostiaga S.J., Rector, Central America University and President, Economic and Social Investigations Centre for Central American and the Carribean (CRIES), Managua; From the Caucus of Development NGO Network of the Philippines: Carazon Julino-Soliman, Co-Chair, Philippines Council for Sustainable Development; Karen Tanada, Chair, Women's Action Network for Development; Dan Songco, National Coordinator, Caucus of Development of NGO Network of the Philippines; Katherine Pearson, Advocacy Officer, Canadian Council for International Cooperation.

In accordance with its mandate under Standing Order 108(2), a briefing on CIDA's Regional Initiatives Support Program. (See Minutes of Proceedings of Wednesday, September 18, 1996, Issue No. 1).

Jacques Bédard, from CIDA, made a statement and answered questions.

Xabier Gorostiaga, from the Regional Initiatives Support Program, made a statement and, with Mirna Lievano De Marquez, Richard Aitkenhead Castillo and Irma Acosta De Fortin, answered questions.

André Carrier and Carlos Manuel Echeverria, from CRC Sogema, made statements and answered questions.

At 4:36 o'clock p.m., the sitting was suspended.

At 4:46 o'clock p.m, the sitting resumed.

In accordance with its mandate under Standing Order 108(2), the Sub-Committee resumed its examination of Child Labour and Sustainable Human Development. (See Minutes of Proceedings of Wednesday, June 19, 1996, Issue No. 1).

Katherine Pearson, from the Canadian Council for International Cooperation, made a statement and answered questions.

Dan Songco, Carazon Julino-Soliman and Karen Tanada, from the Caucus of Development NGO Network of the Philippines, made statements and answered questions.

At 5:38 o'clock p.m., the Sub-Committee adjourned to the call of the Chair.


WEDNESDAY, OCTOBER 23, 1996
(Meeting No. 9)
The Evidence for this meeting is not available because it was held in camera.

The Sub-Committee on Sustainable Human Development of the Standing Committee on Foreign Affairs and International Trade met in camera at 3:38 o'clock p.m. this day, in Room 306, West Block, the Acting Chair, John Godfrey, presiding.

Members of the Sub-Committee present: Maud Debien, Beryl Gaffney and John Godfrey.

Other Member present: Philippe Paré.

In attendance: From the Research Branch of the Library of Parliament: Gerald Schmitz, Research Officer. From the office of John English, M.P.: Gordon Shields, Legislative Assistant.

In accordance with its mandate under Standing Order 108(2), the Sub-Committee proceeded to discuss future business.

At 4:30 o'clock p.m., the Sub-Committee adjourned to the call of the Chair.


WEDNESDAY, NOVEMBER 20, 1996
(Meeting No. 10)

The Sub-Committee on Sustainable Human Development of the Standing Committee on Foreign Affairs and International Trade met in a televised session at 3:40 o'clock p.m. this day, in Room 253-D, Centre Block, the Chairman, John English, presiding.

Members of the Sub-Committee present: Maud Debien, John English and Beryl Gaffney.

Acting Member present: Réginald Bélair for John Godfrey.

Other Members present: Bill Graham, Andy Scott, Georgette Sheridan, Roseanne Skoke and Andrew Telegdi.

In attendance: From the Department of Foreign Affairs and International Trade: Honourable Senator Landon Pearson, Advisor to the Minister on Children's Rights. From the Research Branch of the Library of Parliament: Gerald Schmitz, Research Officer.

Witnesses: From Free the Children: Kyle Connolly, Ottawa Member; Laura Hannant, Ottawa Member. From Kids for Human Rights and Justice: Jemima Day Cowan, Founding Member; Caitlin Smith, Founding Member. From ``Jeunesse Canada Monde'': Émilie Bernier, Representative.

In accordance with its mandate under Standing Order 108(2) an examination of Child Labour and Sustainable Human Development. (See Minutes of Proceedings of Wednesday, June 19, 1996, Issue No. 1). Roundtable No. 4: Canadian youth speak out on Child Labour.

Kyle Connolly and Laura Hannant, from Free the Children, made statements.

Jemima Day Cowan and Caitlin Smith, From Kids for Human Rights and Justice, made statements.

At 4:10 o'clock p.m., the sitting was suspended.

At 4:50 o'cl;ock p.m., the sitting resumed.

Émilie Bernier, from ``Jeunesse Canada Monde'', made a statement.

The witnesses participated in a roundtable discussion.

At 5:15 o'clock p.m., the sitting was suspended.

At 5:50 o'clock p.m., the sitting resumed.

It was agreed,--That the Clerk arrange for juice and sandwiches to be brought in for the witnesses.

The roundtable discussion was resumed.

At 6:25 o'clock p.m., the Sub-Committee adjourned to the call of the Chair.

Christine Fisher

Clerk of the Sub-Committee


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