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Minutes of Proceedings

44th Parliament, 1st Session
Meeting 4
Tuesday, February 1, 2022, 11:07 a.m. to 1:01 p.m.
Webcast
Presiding
Ken McDonald, Chair (Liberal)

Library of Parliament
• Michael Chalupovitsch, Analyst
• Thai Nguyen, Analyst
The committee proceeded to the consideration of matters related to committee business.

The committee resumed consideration of the motion moved by Mel Arnold on Thursday, January 20, 2022, which read as follows:

— That, pursuant to Standing Order 108(2), the committee undertake a study of at least six meetings to examine how the Department of Fisheries and Oceans prioritizes, resources and develops scientific studies and advice for the department and how the minister applies data and advice provided by the department and other government departments to ministerial decisions; that the committee call witnesses including the Minister of Fisheries and Oceans, senior department officials from the Department of Fisheries and Oceans and persons who have directly contributed to the department’s science and science processes to testify; that the committee hear from no fewer than 20 witnesses; and that the committee report its conclusions and recommendations to the House.

The debate continued.

Amendment

Ken Hardie moved, — That the motion be amended by replacing the words “for the department and how the minister applies data and advice provided by the department and other government departments to ministerial decisions” with the following: “and how the department applies this science in its decision-making”.

After debate, the question was put on the amendment of Ken Hardie and it was negatived on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Serge Cormier, Brendan Hanley, Ken Hardie, Mike Kelloway, Robert J. Morrissey — 5;

NAYS: Mel Arnold, Lisa Marie Barron, Caroline Desbiens, Rick Perkins, Clifford Small, Bob Zimmer — 6.

Debate resumed on the motion.

Amendment

Lisa Marie Barron moved, — That the motion be amended by adding after the words “advice for the department” the following: “how the results of scientific study are communicated to the Minister and Canadians,”.

Debate arose thereon.

At 11:27 a.m., the sitting was suspended.

At 11:29 a.m., the sitting resumed.

The question was put on the amendment of Lisa Marie Barron and it was agreed to on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Mel Arnold, Lisa Marie Barron, Caroline Desbiens, Rick Perkins, Clifford Small, Bob Zimmer — 6;

NAYS: Serge Cormier, Brendan Hanley, Ken Hardie, Mike Kelloway, Robert J. Morrissey — 5.

The question was put on the motion, as amended, and it was agreed to on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Mel Arnold, Lisa Marie Barron, Caroline Desbiens, Rick Perkins, Clifford Small, Bob Zimmer — 6;

NAYS: Serge Cormier, Brendan Hanley, Ken Hardie, Mike Kelloway, Robert J. Morrissey — 5.

The motion, as amended, read as follows:

That, pursuant to Standing Order 108(2), the committee undertake a study of at least six meetings to examine how the Department of Fisheries and Oceans prioritizes, resources and develops scientific studies and advice for the department, how the results of scientific study are communicated to the Minister and Canadians, and how the minister applies data and advice provided by the department and other government departments to ministerial decisions; that the committee call witnesses including the Minister of Fisheries and Oceans, senior department officials from the Department of Fisheries and Oceans and persons who have directly contributed to the department’s science and science processes to testify; that the committee hear from no fewer than 20 witnesses; that the committee report its conclusions and recommendations to the House.

Motion

Serge Cormier moved, — That, the following regularly scheduled meetings of the committee be programmed as follows:

that, pursuant to Standing Order 108(2), the committee conduct the study proposed by Ken Hardie and adopted, concerning the risks posed to wild salmon runs by flood control and mitigation systems in British Columbia; and that the committee hear from officials from the Department of Fisheries and Oceans no later than February 8, 2022;

that, pursuant to Standing Order 108(2), the committee conduct the study proposed by Caroline Desbiens and adopted, concerning the traceability and mislabeling of seafood products; that the first witness appear no later than February 17, 2022; and that the committee report its findings to the House no later than April 8, 2022; and

that, pursuant to Standing Order 108(2), the committee conduct the study proposed by Lisa Marie Barron and adopted, concerning the impact of marine cargo container spills; that the first witness appear no later than April 5, 2022; and that the committee report its findings to the House no later than June 14, 2022.

Debate arose thereon.

At 11:36 a.m., the sitting was suspended.

At 11:44 a.m., the sitting resumed.

The debate continued.

Amendment

Rick Perkins moved, — That the motion be amended by adding after the words “no later than June 14, 2022” the following: “that, pursuant to standing order 108(2), the committee conduct the study proposed by Mel Arnold concerning the use of science in the Department of Fisheries and Oceans decision making, and that the first witness appear April 26, 2022".

After debate, the question was put on the amendment of Rick Perkins and it was agreed to on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Mel Arnold, Lisa Marie Barron, Serge Cormier, Caroline Desbiens, Brendan Hanley, Ken Hardie, Mike Kelloway, Robert J. Morrissey, Rick Perkins, Clifford Small, Bob Zimmer — 11;

NAYS: — 0.

The question was put on the motion, as amended, and it was agreed to on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Mel Arnold, Lisa Marie Barron, Serge Cormier, Caroline Desbiens, Brendan Hanley, Ken Hardie, Mike Kelloway, Robert J. Morrissey, Rick Perkins, Clifford Small, Bob Zimmer — 11;

NAYS: — 0.

The motion, as amended, read as follows:

That, the following regularly scheduled meetings of the committee be programmed as follows:

that, pursuant to Standing Order 108(2), the committee conduct the study proposed by Ken Hardie and adopted, concerning the risks posed to wild salmon runs by flood control and mitigation systems in British Columbia; and that the committee hear from officials from the Department of Fisheries and Oceans no later than February 8, 2022;

that, pursuant to Standing Order 108(2), the committee conduct the study proposed by Caroline Desbiens and adopted, concerning the traceability and mislabeling of seafood products; that the first witness appear no later than February 17, 2022; and that the committee report its findings to the House no later than April 8, 2022;

that, pursuant to Standing Order 108(2), the committee conduct the study proposed by Lisa Marie Barron and adopted, concerning the impact of marine cargo container spills; that the first witness appear no later than April 5, 2022; and that the committee report its findings to the House no later than June 14, 2022; and

that, pursuant to standing order 108(2), the committee conduct the study proposed by Mel Arnold concerning the use of science in the Department of Fisheries and Oceans decision making, and that the first witness appear April 26, 2022.

Motion

Lisa Marie Barron moved, — That, pursuant to Standing Order 108(2), the committee undertake a study of the state of Pacific Salmon;

that the evidence and documentation received by the committee during the Second Session of the 43rd Parliament on the subject be taken into consideration by the committee in the current session;

that the committee adopt the report entitled Pacific Salmon: Ensuring the Long-Term Health of Wild Populations and Associated Fisheries adopted during the Second Session of the 43rd Parliament;

that the Chair present the report to the House;

that, pursuant to Standing Order 109, the committee request that the government table a comprehensive response to this report; and

that the committee set a deadline for dissenting or supplementary opinions.

At 12:11 p.m., the sitting was suspended.

At 12:15 p.m., the sitting resumed.

The debate continued.

Amendment

Mel Arnold moved, — That the motion be amended by adding after the words “supplementary opinions” the following: “that the committee undertake a study of not more than 30 minutes of the state of the Pacific salmon”.

By unanimous consent, the amendment was withdrawn.

The question was put on the motion and it was agreed to on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Mel Arnold, Lisa Marie Barron, Serge Cormier, Caroline Desbiens, Brendan Hanley, Ken Hardie, Mike Kelloway, Robert J. Morrissey, Rick Perkins, Clifford Small, Bob Zimmer — 11;

NAYS: — 0.

Motion

Rick Perkins moved, — That pursuant to Standing Order 108(2), the committee conduct the following studies in the following order at the conclusion of the study with regard to Department of Fisheries and Oceans’ science proposed by Mel Arnold, that we do it in the following order:

• the study on pinnipeds, as proposed by Clifford Small in the notice of motion adopted by the committee,

• then the study on corporate concentration and foreign ownership, as adopted by the committee and proposed by Caroline Desbiens,

• then the study on illegal, unreported and unregulated fishing (IUU), as proposed by Bob Zimmer,

• followed by the study on safety at sea, as proposed by Rick Perkins, and then finally,

• the study on small craft harbours as proposed by Caroline Desbiens to the committee and adopted.

After debate, the question was put on the motion and it was negatived on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Mel Arnold, Rick Perkins, Clifford Small, Bob Zimmer — 4;

NAYS: Lisa Marie Barron, Serge Cormier, Caroline Desbiens, Brendan Hanley, Ken Hardie, Mike Kelloway, Robert J. Morrissey — 7.

At 12:47 p.m., the sitting was suspended.

At 12:49 p.m., the sitting resumed.

It was agreed, — That the deadline for the receipt of witness lists in relation to the study on the traceability of fish and seafood products be 4:00 p.m. ET on Friday, February 4, 2022.

It was agreed, — That dissenting or supplementary opinions, in relation to the reports adopted by the committee on January 20, and February 1, 2022, be submitted to the clerk of the committee, no later than 5:00 p.m. ET on Wednesday, February 9, 2022.

Pursuant to Standing Order 108(2), the committee commenced its study of the state of the Pacific salmon.

It was agreed, — That, pursuant to Standing Order 109, the committee request that the government table a comprehensive response to the report.

ORDERED, — That the Chair present the report to the House.

At 1:01 p.m., the committee adjourned to the call of the Chair.



Tina Miller
Clerk of the committee