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Minutes of Proceedings

Standing Committee on Human Resources, Skills and Social Development and the Status of Persons with Disabilities (HUMA)
42nd Parliament, 1st Session
Meeting 149
Thursday, May 16, 2019, 11:29 a.m. to 1:31 p.m.
Televised
Presiding
Bryan May, Chair (Liberal)

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Liberal

Conservative

NDP

• Sheri Benson for Brigitte Sansoucy (NDP)
• Churence Rogers for Robert J. Morrissey (Liberal)
• Karen Vecchio for John Barlow (Conservative)
• Sheri Benson (NDP)
• Tom Kmiec (Conservative)
• Blake Richards (Conservative)
Library of Parliament
• Mayra Perez-Leclerc, Analyst
• Matthew Blackshaw, Research Assistant
 
House of Commons
• Jubilee Jackson, Procedural Clerk
Main Estimates 2019-20: Votes 1, 5 and 10 under Canada Mortgage and Housing Corporation, Vote 1 under Canadian Centre for Occupational Health and Safety, Votes 1, 5, 10, 15, 20, 25, 30, 35, 40, 45, 50, 55, 60, 65, 70, 75, 80 and 85 under Department of Employment and Social Development
• Hon. Jean-Yves Duclos, P.C., M.P., Minister of Families, Children and Social Development
• Hon. Filomena Tassi, P.C., M.P., Minister of Seniors
Department of Employment and Social Development
• Graham Flack, Deputy Minister, Employment and Social Development
• Leslie MacLean, Senior Associate Deputy Minister of Employment and Social Development and Chief Operating Officer for Service Canada
• Mark Perlman, Chief Financial Officer and Senior Assistant Deputy Minister, Chief Financial Officer Branch
• Benoît Robidoux, Associate Deputy Minister, Employment and Social Development
Canada Mortgage and Housing Corporation
• Evan Siddall, President and Chief Executive Officer
• Lisa Williams, Chief Financial Officer
Pursuant to Standing Order 81(4), the Committee resumed consideration of the Main Estimates 2019-20: Votes 1, 5 and 10 under Canada Mortgage and Housing Corporation, Vote 1 under Canadian Centre for Occupational Health and Safety, Votes 1, 5, 10, 15, 20, 25, 30, 35, 40, 45, 50, 55, 60, 65, 70, 75, 80 and 85 under Department of Employment and Social Development, referred to the Committee on Thursday, April 11, 2019.

Committee Business
The Committee proceeded to the consideration of matters related to Committee business.

Kerry Diotte gave notice of the following motion:

That, pursuant to Standing Order 108(2), the Committee accept the Auditor General’s offer and invite him to appear before the Committee to present the findings of Report 1, Call Centres, of the 2019 Spring Reports of the Auditor General of Canada.

A point of order was raised as to whether the motion put on notice by Kerry Diotte could be debated.

RULING BY THE CHAIR

The Chair ruled that Kerry Diotte had indicated that he was giving oral notice of the motion, and as such, the motion could not be debated before the notice period had elapsed.

Main Estimates 2019-20: Votes 1, 5 and 10 under Canada Mortgage and Housing Corporation, Vote 1 under Canadian Centre for Occupational Health and Safety, Votes 1, 5, 10, 15, 20, 25, 30, 35, 40, 45, 50, 55, 60, 65, 70, 75, 80 and 85 under Department of Employment and Social Development
• Hon. Jean-Yves Duclos, P.C., M.P., Minister of Families, Children and Social Development
• Hon. Filomena Tassi, P.C., M.P., Minister of Seniors
Department of Employment and Social Development
• Graham Flack, Deputy Minister, Employment and Social Development
• Leslie MacLean, Senior Associate Deputy Minister of Employment and Social Development and Chief Operating Officer for Service Canada
• Mark Perlman, Chief Financial Officer and Senior Assistant Deputy Minister, Chief Financial Officer Branch
• Benoît Robidoux, Associate Deputy Minister, Employment and Social Development
Canada Mortgage and Housing Corporation
• Evan Siddall, President and Chief Executive Officer
• Lisa Williams, Chief Financial Officer
Pursuant to Standing Order 81(4), the Committee resumed consideration of the Main Estimates 2019-20: Votes 1, 5 and 10 under Canada Mortgage and Housing Corporation, Vote 1 under Canadian Centre for Occupational Health and Safety, Votes 1, 5, 10, 15, 20, 25, 30, 35, 40, 45, 50, 55, 60, 65, 70, 75, 80 and 85 under Department of Employment and Social Development, referred to the Committee on Thursday, April 11, 2019.

The Ministers made statements.

Committee Business
The Committee proceeded to the consideration of matters related to Committee business.

Motion

Kerry Diotte moved, — That the Committee invite the Minister of Families, Children and Social Development and departmental officials to appear to provide an update on the implementation of the seven recommendations found in the Committee’s 14th report entitled: “Supporting Families After the Loss of a Child”; that this meeting be two hours long; that this meeting be held prior to Friday, May 31, 2019; and that this meeting be televised.

Debate arose thereon.

Motion

Wayne Long moved, — That the debate be now adjourned.

The question was put on the motion and it was negatived on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Wayne Long, Churence Rogers, Dan Ruimy, Ramesh Sangha — 4;

NAYS: Sheri Benson, Kerry Diotte, Rosemarie Falk, Gordie Hogg, Karen Vecchio — 5.

The Committee resumed consideration of the motion moved by Kerry Diotte, which read as follows:

That, pursuant to Standing Order 108(2), the Committee accept the Auditor General’s offer and invite him to appear before the Committee to present the findings of Report 1, Call Centres, of the 2019 Spring Reports of the Auditor General of Canada.

Motion

Wayne Long moved, — That the debate be now adjourned.

The question was put on the motion and it was agreed to on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Gordie Hogg, Wayne Long, Robert J. Morrissey, Dan Ruimy, Ramesh Sangha — 5;

NAYS: Kerry Diotte, Rosemarie Falk, Brigitte Sansoucy, Karen Vecchio — 4.

Main Estimates 2019-20: Votes 1, 5 and 10 under Canada Mortgage and Housing Corporation, Vote 1 under Canadian Centre for Occupational Health and Safety, Votes 1, 5, 10, 15, 20, 25, 30, 35, 40, 45, 50, 55, 60, 65, 70, 75, 80 and 85 under Department of Employment and Social Development
• Hon. Jean-Yves Duclos, P.C., M.P., Minister of Families, Children and Social Development
• Hon. Filomena Tassi, P.C., M.P., Minister of Seniors
Department of Employment and Social Development
• Graham Flack, Deputy Minister, Employment and Social Development
• Leslie MacLean, Senior Associate Deputy Minister of Employment and Social Development and Chief Operating Officer for Service Canada
• Mark Perlman, Chief Financial Officer and Senior Assistant Deputy Minister, Chief Financial Officer Branch
• Benoît Robidoux, Associate Deputy Minister, Employment and Social Development
Canada Mortgage and Housing Corporation
• Evan Siddall, President and Chief Executive Officer
• Lisa Williams, Chief Financial Officer
Pursuant to Standing Order 81(4), the Committee resumed consideration of the Main Estimates 2019-20: Votes 1, 5 and 10 under Canada Mortgage and Housing Corporation, Vote 1 under Canadian Centre for Occupational Health and Safety, Votes 1, 5, 10, 15, 20, 25, 30, 35, 40, 45, 50, 55, 60, 65, 70, 75, 80 and 85 under Department of Employment and Social Development, referred to the Committee on Thursday, April 11, 2019.

Questioning of the Ministers and witnesses resumed.

At 12:32 p.m., the sitting was suspended.

At 12:34 p.m., the sitting resumed.

Benoît Robidoux, Graham Flack, Leslie MacLean and Evan Siddall answered questions.

By unanimous consent, the Chair called Votes 5 and 10 under Canada Mortgage and Housing Corporation, Vote 1 under Canadian Centre for Occupational Health and Safety, and Votes 1, 5, 10, 15, 20, 25, 30, 35, 40, 45, 50, 55, 60, 65, 70, 75, 80 and 85 under Department of Employment and Social Development.

Votes 1, 5 and 10 under Canada Mortgage and Housing Corporation, Vote 1 under Canadian Centre for Occupational Health and Safety, and Votes 1, 5, 10, 15, 20, 25, 30, 35, 40, 45, 50, 55, 60, 65, 70, 75, 80 and 85 under Department of Employment and Social Development carried on division.

ORDERED, — That the Chair report Votes 1, 5 and 10 under Canada Mortgage and Housing Corporation, Vote 1 under Canadian Centre for Occupational Health and Safety, and Votes 1, 5, 10, 15, 20, 25, 30, 35, 40, 45, 50, 55, 60, 65, 70, 75, 80 and 85 under Department of Employment and Social Development, less the amounts voted in the Interim Estimates, to the House.

At 1:31 p.m., the Committee adjourned to the call of the Chair.



Stephanie Feldman
Clerk of the Committee