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Minutes of Proceedings

43rd Parliament, 2nd Session
Meeting 27
Tuesday, April 13, 2021, 11:02 a.m. to 1:12 p.m.
Webcast
Presiding
Ruby Sahota, Chair (Liberal)

• Scott Aitchison for Tom Lukiwski (Conservative)
• William Amos for Stéphane Lauzon (Liberal)
• Vance Badawey for Ryan Turnbull (Liberal)
• Hon. Larry Bagnell for Hon. Kirsty Duncan (Liberal)
• Blaine Calkins for Tom Lukiwski (Conservative)
• Claude DeBellefeuille for Alain Therrien (Bloc Québécois)
• Sukh Dhaliwal for Stéphane Lauzon (Liberal)
• Andy Fillmore for Mark Gerretsen (Liberal)
• Leah Gazan for Daniel Blaikie (NDP)
• Marilyn Gladu for Karen Vecchio (Conservative)
• Mike Kelloway for Stéphane Lauzon (Liberal)
• Emmanuella Lambropoulos for Hon. Kirsty Duncan (Liberal)
• Ron Liepert for John Nater (Conservative)
• Ron Liepert for Karen Vecchio (Conservative)
• Wayne Long for Mark Gerretsen (Liberal)
• Wayne Long for Stéphane Lauzon (Liberal)
• Wayne Long for Hon. Ginette Petitpas Taylor (Liberal)
• Wayne Long for Ryan Turnbull (Liberal)
• Ken McDonald for Stéphane Lauzon (Liberal)
• Eric Melillo for John Nater (Conservative)
• Christine Normandin for Alain Therrien (Bloc Québécois)
• Darrell Samson for Ryan Turnbull (Liberal)
• Randeep Sarai for Stéphane Lauzon (Liberal)
• Brenda Shanahan for Hon. Kirsty Duncan (Liberal)
• Brenda Shanahan for Mark Gerretsen (Liberal)
• Scott Simms for Mark Gerretsen (Liberal)
• Scott Simms for Hon. Ginette Petitpas Taylor (Liberal)
• Scott Simms for Ryan Turnbull (Liberal)
• Arnold Viersen for John Nater (Conservative)
• John Williamson for Hon. Peter Kent (Conservative)
• William Amos (Liberal)
• Kamal Khera (Liberal)
• Irek Kusmierczyk (Liberal)
• Kevin Lamoureux (Liberal)
• James Maloney (Liberal)
• Karen McCrimmon (Liberal)
• Brenda Shanahan (Liberal)
• Tony Van Bynen (Liberal)
Library of Parliament
• Andre Barnes, Analyst
• Laurence Brosseau, Analyst
The committee proceeded to the consideration of matters related to committee business.

The Committee resumed consideration of the amendment moved by Ryan Turnbull on Tuesday, March 23, 2021 to the motion Karen Vecchio, which read as follows:

That the motion of Karen Vecchio, concerning the committee’s study of the government’s reasons for the prorogation of Parliament in August 2020, be amended

I. by deleting paragraph (a);

II. by replacing paragraph (b) with the following: “(b) renew the invitations issued to the Deputy Prime Minister and Minister of Finance and the Minister of Diversity and Inclusion and Youth, each to appear separately before the committee for at least 90 minutes; and”

III. by replacing paragraph (c) with the following: “(b) renew the invitations issued to the Honourable Bill Morneau, Craig Kielburger and Marc Kielburger, each to appear separately before the committee for at least 90 minutes.”; and,

IV. by deleting paragraph (d) to (h).

Debate continued.

At 1:01 p.m., the sitting was suspended.

At 12:05 p.m., on Tuesday, April 15, 2021, the sitting resumed in room 425, Wellington Building.

Debate continued.

At 1:55 p.m., the sitting was suspended.

At 11:02 a.m., on Tuesday, April 20, 2021, the sitting resumed in room 425, Wellington Building.

Debate continued.

At 1:01 p.m., the sitting was suspended.

At 11:01 a.m., on Thursday, April 22, 2022, the sitting resumed in Room 425, Wellington Building.

Debate continued.

At 2:29 p.m., the sitting was suspended.

At 11:22 a.m., on Tuesday, April 27, 2021, the sitting resumed in room 425, Wellington Building.

Debate continued.

At 11:55 a.m., the sitting was suspended.

At 12:41 p.m., the sitting resumed.

Debate continued.

At 2:28 p.m., the sitting was suspended.

At 11:27 a.m., on Thursday, April 29, 2021, the sitting resumed in room 425, Wellington Building.

Debate continued.

At 4:16 p.m., the sitting was suspended.

At 11:00 a.m., on Tuesday, May 4, 2021, the sitting resumed in room 410, Wellington Building.

Debate continued.

Motion

Ryan Turnbull moved, — That the Committee proceed to consider the following motion:

That the committee pursuant to Standing Order 108(3) vi. The chair write, to the chair of the Standing Committee on Finance, indicating that the Committee on Procedure and House affairs wishes to conduct a study on the Amendments to the Canada Elections Act contained in Bill C-30, that the committee shall hold a minimum of three meetings each for a minimum of two hours. That the first witness called shall be the Chief Electoral Officer. The witness lists must be provided to the clerk no later than Friday May 7th. That the report from the committee on this study shall be referred to the Standing committee of Finance not later than the timeline received from the Finance committee.

The question was put on the motion and it was negatived on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Kirsty Duncan, Stéphane Lauzon, Ginette Petitpas Taylor, Ryan Turnbull — 4;

NAYS: Daniel Blaikie, Peter Kent, Tom Lukiwski, John Nater, Alain Therrien, Karen Vecchio — 6.

Debate continued.

Motion

Stéphane Lauzon moved, — That the sitting be suspended.

The question was put on the motion and it was negatived on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Kirsty Duncan, Stéphane Lauzon, Ginette Petitpas Taylor, Scott Simms, Ryan Turnbull — 5;

NAYS: Daniel Blaikie, Peter Kent, Tom Lukiwski, John Nater, Christine Normandin, Karen Vecchio — 6.

Debate continued.

At 2:24 p.m., the sitting was suspended.

At 11:02 a.m., on Thursday, May 6, 2021, the sitting resumed in room 410, Wellington Building.

Debate continued.

At 2:30 p.m., the sitting was suspended.

At 11:03 a.m., on Tuesday, May 11, 2021, the sitting resumed in room 410, Wellington Building.

Debate continued on the amendment of Ryan Turnbull.

The question was put on the amendment and it was negatived on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Larry Bagnell, Mike Kelloway, Wayne Long, Scott Simms, Ryan Turnbull — 5;

NAYS: Daniel Blaikie, Peter Kent, Tom Lukiwski, John Nater, Alain Therrien, Karen Vecchio — 6.

Debate continued on the motion of Karen Vecchio.

Motion

Ryan Turnbull moved, — That the committee proceed to the consideration of Bill C-19.

The question was put on the motion and it was negatived on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Kirsty Duncan, Stéphane Lauzon, Ginette Petitpas Taylor, Scott Simms, Ryan Turnbull — 5;

NAYS: Jack Harris, Peter Kent, Tom Lukiwski, John Nater, Christine Normandin, Karen Vecchio — 6.

Debate continued on the motion of Karen Vecchio.

Motion

Ryan Turnbull moved, — That the committee be adjourned.

The question was put on the motion and it was negatived on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Kirsty Duncan, Stéphane Lauzon, Ginette Petitpas Taylor, Scott Simms, Ryan Turnbull — 5;

NAYS: Daniel Blaikie, Peter Kent, Tom Lukiwski, John Nater, Alain Therrien, Karen Vecchio — 6.

At 1:18 p.m., the sitting was suspended.

At 11:06 a.m., on Thursday, May 25, 2021, the sitting resumed in room 425, Wellington Building.

Debate continued on the amendment of Ryan Turnbull.

Motion

Ryan Turnbull moved, — That the committee proceed to the consideration of Bill C-19.

The question was put on the motion and it was negatived on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Kirsty Duncan, Stéphane Lauzon, Robert J. Morrissey, Ginette Petitpas Taylor, Ryan Turnbull — 5;

NAYS: Daniel Blaikie, Peter Kent, Tom Lukiwski, John Nater, Alain Therrien, Karen Vecchio — 6.

Debate continued on the amendment of Ryan Turnbull to the motion of Karen Vecchio.

The question was put on the amendment of Ryan Turnbull and it was negatived on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Kirsty Duncan, Stéphane Lauzon, Robert J. Morrissey, Ginette Petitpas Taylor, Ryan Turnbull;

NAYS: Daniel Blaikie, Peter Kent, Tom Lukiwski, John Nater, Alain Therrien, Karen Vecchio — 6.

Debate continued on the motion of Karen Vecchio.

Amendment

Daniel Blaikie moved, — That the motion of Karen Vecchio, concerning the committee’s study of the government’s reasons for the prorogation of Parliament in August 2020, be amended

I. by replacing paragraph (a) with the following: “renew the invitation issued to the Prime Minister to appear before the committee, provided that if he does not agree, within one week of the adoption of this motion, to appear for at least one hour, the Chair shall be instructed to report to the House forthwith a recommendation that this committee be empowered to order his appearance from time to time.”;

II. by deleting paragraphs (b) through (h).

Debate arose thereon.

At 12:59 p.m., the sitting was suspended.

At 11:00 a.m., on Thursday, May 27, 2021, the sitting resumed in room 425, Wellington Building.

Debate continued.

The question was put on the amendment of Daniel Blaikie and it was agreed to on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Daniel Blaikie, Blaine Calkins, Kirsty Duncan, Peter Kent, Stéphane Lauzon, Wayne Long, Tom Lukiwski, John Nater, Ginette Petitpas Taylor, Alain Therrien, Karen Vecchio — 11;

NAYS: — 0.

The motion, as amended, read as follows:

That, in respect of the committee’s study of the government’s reasons for the prorogation of Parliament in August 2020, the committee

renew the invitation issued to the Prime Minister to appear before the committee, provided that if he does not agree, within one week of the adoption of this motion, to appear for at least one hour, the Chair shall be instructed to report to the House forthwith a recommendation that this committee be empowered to order his appearance from time to time.

Amendment

Stéphane Lauzon moved, — That the motion be amended by replacing the words after “one hour” with the following: “that the non attendance of the Prime Minister be added to an annex to the main report on the study of the “Government’s Reasons for Proroguing Parliament in August 2020”. .

Debate arose thereon.

Subamendment

Daniel Blaikie moved, — That the amendment be amended by adding after the words “Government’s Reasons for Proroguing Parliament in August 2020”, the words: “, and that all questions necessary for the finalization and tabling of the report be disposed of before the end of the day on June 8, 2021 and that the final report be tabled no later than June 11, 2021”.

At 12:52 p.m., the sitting was suspended.

At 11:01 a.m., On Tuesday, June 1, 2021, the sitting resumed in room425, Wellington Building.

Debate continued.

The question was put on the subamendment of Daniel Blaikie and it was agreed to on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Daniel Blaikie, Kirsty Duncan, Stéphane Lauzon, Robert J. Morrissey, Ginette Petitpas Taylor, Ryan Turnbull — 6;

NAYS: Peter Kent, Tom Lukiwski, John Nater, Alain Therrien, Karen Vecchio — 5.

The amendment, as amended, read as follows:

That the motion be amended by replacing the words after the words “one hour”, with the following: “the non attendance of the Prime Minister be added to an annex to the main report on the study of the “Government’s Reasons for Proroguing Parliament in August 2020”, and that all questions necessary for the finalization and tabling of the report be disposed of before the end of the day on June 8, 2021 and that the final report be tabled no later than June 11, 2021” .

Subamendment

John Nater moved, — That the amendment be amended by replacing the words “the non attendance of the Prime Minister be added to an annex to” with the following: “a recommendation that this Committee be empowered to order the Prime Minister’s attendance be included in”.

The question was put on the subamendment of John Nater and it was negatived on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Peter Kent, Tom Lukiwski, John Nater, Alain Therrien, Karen Vecchio — 5;

NAYS: Daniel Blaikie, Kirsty Duncan, Stéphane Lauzon, Robert J. Morrissey, Ginette Petitpas Taylor, Ryan Turnbull — 6.

Subamendment

John Nater moved, — That the amendment be amended by replacing all the words after the words “disposed of” with the following: “before the Committee begins consideration of Bill C-19”.

Debate arose thereon.

At 1:11 p.m., the sitting was suspended.

At 11:01 a.m., on Thursday, June 3, 2021, the sitting resumed in room 425, Wellington Building.

Debate continued.

The question was put on the subamendment of John Nater and it was negatived on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Peter Kent, Tom Lukiwski, John Nater, Alain Therrien, Karen Vecchio — 5;

NAYS: Daniel Blaikie, Kirsty Duncan, Stéphane Lauzon, Wayne Long, Ginette Petitpas Taylor, Ryan Turnbull — 6.

Subamendment

Alain Therrien moved, — That the words, “be disposed of before the end of the day on June 8, 2021 and that the final report be tabled no later than June 11, 2021, be replaced with: “be disposed of before the end of the day on June 11, 2021 and that the final report be tabled no later than June 18, 2021”.

After debate, the question was put on the subamendment of Alain Therrien and it was agreed to on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Daniel Blaikie, Peter Kent, Tom Lukiwski, John Nater, Alain Therrien, Karen Vecchio — 6;

NAYS: Kirsty Duncan, Stéphane Lauzon, Wayne Long, Ginette Petitpas Taylor, Ryan Turnbull — 5.

The amendment, as amended, read as follows:

That the motion be amended by replacing the words after “one hour” with the following: “the non attendance of the Prime Minister be added to an annex to the main report on the study of the “Government’s Reasons for Proroguing Parliament in August 2020”, and that all questions necessary for the finalization and tabling of the report be disposed of before the end of the day on June 15, 2021 and that the final report be tabled no later than June 18, 2021.”

The question was put on the amendment of Stéphane Lauzon, as amended, and it was agreed to on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Daniel Blaikie, Kirsty Duncan, Stéphane Lauzon, Wayne Long, Ginette Petitpas Taylor, Ryan Turnbull — 6;

NAYS: Peter Kent, Tom Lukiwski, John Nater, Alain Therrien, Karen Vecchio — 5.

The motion, as amended, read as follows:

That, in respect of the Committee’s study of the government’s reasons for the prorogation of Parliament in August 2020, the Committee

renew the invitation issued to the Prime Minister to appear before the committee, provided that if he does not agree, within one week of the adoption of this motion, to appear for at least one hour, the non attendance of the Prime Minister be added to an annex to the main report on the study of the government’s reasons for proroguing Parliament in August 2020, and that all questions necessary for the finalization and tabling of the report be disposed of before the end of the day on June 15, 2021 and that the final report be tabled no later than June 18, 2021.

The question was put on the motion, as amended, and it was agreed to, on a recorded division: YEAS: 11; NAYS: 0.

Motion

Alain Therrien moved, — That the clerk inform each witness who is to appear before the committee that the House Administration support team must conduct technical tests to check the connectivity and the equipment used to ensure the best possible sound quality; and that the Chair advises the committee, at the start of each meeting, of any witness who did not perform the required technical tests.

After debate, the question was put on the motion and it was agreed to.

Motion

Alain Therrien moved, — That all documents submitted for committee business that do not come from a federal department or that have not been translated by the Translation Bureau be sent for prior linguistic review by the Translation Bureau before being distributed to members.

Amendment

Karen Vecchio moved, — That after the words “federal department”, the following be added: “offices of Members of Parliament”.

The question was put on the amendment of Karen Vecchio and it was agreed to on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Kirsty Duncan, Peter Kent, Stéphane Lauzon, Wayne Long, Tom Lukiwski, John Nater, Ginette Petitpas Taylor, Ryan Turnbull, Karen Vecchio — 9;

NAYS: Daniel Blaikie, Alain Therrien — 2.

The motion, as amended, read as follows:

That all documents submitted for committee business that do not come from a federal department, offices of Members of Parliament, or that have not been translated by the Translation Bureau be sent for prior linguistic review by the Translation Bureau before being distributed to members.

After debate, the question was put on the motion, as amended, and it was agreed to.

At 12:12 p.m., the sitting was suspended.

At 12:25 p.m., the sitting resumed in camera.

Pursuant to Standing Order 32(7) and the motion adopted by the committee on Thursday, November 5, 2020, the committee resumed its study of the government’s reasons for proroguing Parliament in August 2020.

The committee commenced consideration of a draft report.

At 1:12 p.m., the committee adjourned to the call of the Chair.



Justin Vaive
Clerk of the Committee