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42nd Parliament, 1st Session
Meeting No. 54
Tuesday, June 13, 2017, 3:39 p.m. to 5:00 p.m.
In Camera
Presiding
Stephen Fuhr, Chair (Liberal)

Library of Parliament
• Melissa Radford, Analyst
The Committee proceeded to the consideration of matters related to Committee business.

It was agreed, — That the Minister of National Defence be invited to appear before the Committee to discuss Canada's Defence Policy, Strong, Secure, Engaged on Tuesday June 20, 2017, at 3:30 p.m. in a televised session.

At 3:52 p.m., the sitting was suspended.

At 3:56 p.m., the sitting resumed in public.

Motion

James Bezan moved, — That the Committee undertake a one-meeting study with regard to the National Defence Ombudsman’s Report titled "The Case for a Permanent and Independent Ombudsman Office" in order to analyse the report.

Amendment

Cheryl Gallant moved, — That the amendment be amended by adding after the words “a one- " the following: “public, televised”.

After debate, the question was put on the motion and it was negatived on the following recorded division:

YEAS: James Bezan, Cheryl Gallant, Randall Garrison, Pierre Paul-Hus — 4;

NAYS: Leona Alleslev, Darren Fisher, Mark Gerretsen, Yves Robillard, Sven Spengemann — 5.

Amendment

Darren Fisher moved, — That the motion be amended by deleting the words “meeting study” and by adding after the word "one" the following: "briefing session in camera".

By unanimous consent, the amendment was withdrawn.

Amendment

Darren Fisher moved, — That the motion be amended by adding the word “in camera” after the word “study”.

Debate arose thereon.

After debate, the question was put on the amendment of Darren Fisher and it was agreed to, by a show of hands: YEAS: 5; NAYS: 4.

Amendment

Cheryl Gallant moved, — That the motion be amended by adding after the words “in camera” the following: “or in public at the discretion of the mililtary Ombudsman”.

After debate, the question was put on the amendment of Cheryl Gallant and it was negatived on the following recorded division:

YEAS: James Bezan, Cheryl Gallant, Randall Garrison, Pierre Paul-Hus — 4;

NAYS: Leona Alleslev, Darren Fisher, Mark Gerretsen, Yves Robillard, Sven Spengemann — 5.

The question was put on the motion, as amended, and it was agreed to, by a show of hands: YEAS: 8; NAYS: 1 and now reads as follows — That the Committee undertake a one meeting study in camera with regards to the National Defence Ombudsman’s Report titled "The Case for a Permanent and Independent Ombudsman Office" in order to analyse the report.

Motion

James Bezan moved, — That the Standing Committee of National Defence study the recent fixed wing search and rescue project competition.

That the Committee convene a minimum of three panels, and the Committee hear from the following witnesses:

  • Leonardo S.p.A.;
  • Airbus Defence & Space, and PAL Aerospace;
  • Lisa Campbell (ADM Defence and Marine Procurement), and Patrick Finn (ADM Materiel).
Motion

Darren Fisher moved, — That the debate be now adjourned.

On motion of Mark Gerretsen, it was agreed, — That the debate be now adjourned.

Motion

James Bezan moved, — That the Committee call for documents from the Department of National Defence in regard to the ‘laundry list’ of capital expenditures that will be affected with the reallocation of $8.5 billion dollars in the National Defence budget which the Minister of National Defence referred to during Question Period on the 24th of March, 2017.

After debate, the question was put on the motion and it was negatived on the following recorded division:

YEAS: James Bezan, Cheryl Gallant, Randall Garrison, Pierre Paul-Hus — 4;

NAYS: Leona Alleslev, Darren Fisher, Mark Gerretsen, Yves Robillard, Sven Spengemann — 5.

Motion

James Bezan moved, — That the Committee request that the Parliamentary Budget Officer provide the Committee with a general analysis, within twenty-one (21) calendar days after the adoption of this motion, in regards to the decision of the Government of Canada to sole-source the Boeing F/A-18 Super Hornet for National Defence; that this analysis include, but not be limited to the Department of National Defence’s estimates on the cost of the F/A-18 Super Hornet for:

  1. Acquisition;
  2. Maintenance, training and operations;
  3. Lifecycle costs;
  4. Associated costs of operating a mixed fleet of fighter jets; and

That the Committee order the Government of Canada to provide the Committee with electronic copies of the following:

1- All documents that outline acquisition costs, lifecycle costs, and operational requirements associated with the Boeing F/A-18 Super Hornet;

2- All potential industrial losses if the Memorandum of Understanding in regards to Lockheed Martin’s F-35 JSF program were to be altered and if industrial benefits were to leave Canada.

After debate, the question was put on the motion and it was negatived on the following recorded division:

YEAS: James Bezan, Cheryl Gallant, Pierre Paul-Hus — 3;

NAYS: Leona Alleslev, Darren Fisher, Randall Garrison, Mark Gerretsen, Yves Robillard, Sven Spengemann — 6.

Motion

James Bezan moved, — That, pursuant to Standing Order 108(2), the Committee conduct a study of the Federally Mandated Carbon Tax and its effects on the Canadian Armed Forces, especially on the budget and spending items; and that the Committee report its findings and recommendations to the House of Commons no later than Thursday, April 13, 2017.

Debate arose thereon.

Amendment

Randall Garrison moved, — That the motion be amended by replacing the word “Tax” with the word “Pricing”.

After debate, the question was put on the amendment of Randall Garrison and it was agreed to, by a show of hands: YEAS: 6; NAYS: 3.

Motion

Leona Alleslev moved, — That the debate be now adjourned.

The question was put on the motion and it was agreed to on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Leona Alleslev, Darren Fisher, Mark Gerretsen, Yves Robillard, Sven Spengemann — 5;

NAYS: James Bezan, Cheryl Gallant, Randall Garrison, Pierre Paul-Hus — 4.

At 5:00 p.m., the Committee adjourned to the call of the Chair.



Elizabeth Kingston
Clerk of the Committee