HOUSE OF COMMONS OF CANADA
37th PARLIAMENT, 2nd SESSION

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JOURNALS

No. 68

Wednesday, February 26, 2003

2:00 p.m.

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Prayers

National Anthem

Statements By Members

Pursuant to Standing Order 31, Members made statements.

Oral Questions

Pursuant to Standing Order 30(5), the House proceeded to Oral Questions.

Daily Routine Of Business

Tabling of Documents

Pursuant to Standing Order 79(3), the Speaker read the following Message from Her Excellency the Governor General, presented by Ms. Robillard (President of the Treasury Board) :

Message on Estimates

Her Excellency the Governor General transmits to the House of Commons the Supplementary Estimates (B) of sums required for the public service of Canada in the fiscal year ending on March 31, 2003, and in accordance with section 54 of the Constitution Act, 1867, recommends these Estimates to the House of Commons.

Ms. Robillard (President of the Treasury Board) laid upon the Table, — Document entitled “Supplementary Estimates (B), 2002-2003”. — Sessional Paper No. 8520-372-2.

Pursuant to Standing Order 81(5), the Supplementary Estimates (B) for the fiscal year ending March 31, 2003, were deemed referred to the several standing committees of the House as follows:

(1) to the Standing Committee on Aboriginal Affairs, Northern Development and Natural Resources

Indian Affairs and Northern Development, Votes 1b, 5b, 6b, 7b, 15b, 35b and 40b

Natural Resources, 5b and 10b

(2) to the Standing Committee on Agriculture and Agri-Food

Agriculture and Agri-Food, Votes 1b, 10b, 30b and 40b

(3) to the Standing Committee on Canadian Heritage

Canadian Heritage, Votes 1b, 15b, 20b, 30b, 35b, 40b, 50b, 55b, 70b, 85b, 100b, 110b and 115b

(4) to the Standing Committee on Citizenship and Immigration

Citizenship and Immigration, Votes 2b, 5b and 10b

(5) to the Standing Committee on Environment and Sustainable Development

Environment, Vote 10b

(6) to the Standing Committee on Finance

Canada Customs and Revenue Agency, Vote 1b

Finance, Votes 5b, 16b and 25b

(7) to the Standing Committee on Fisheries and Oceans

Fisheries and Oceans, Votes 1b and 10b

(8) to the Standing Committee on Foreign Affairs and International Trade

Foreign Affairs, Votes 1b, 10b, 20b, 25b and L30b

(9) to the Standing Committee on Health

Health, Votes 1b, 5b, 15b and 20b

(10) to the Standing Committee on Human Resources Development and the Status of Persons with Disabilities

Human Resources Development, Votes 1b, 5b and 20b

(11) to the Standing Committee on Industry, Science and Technology

Industry, Votes 1b, 2b, 20b, 75b, 80b, 85b, 97b, 100b, 105b and 115b

(12) to the Standing Committee on Justice and Human Rights

Justice, Votes 1b, 5b, 10b, 20b, 25b, 35b and 50b

Solicitor General, Votes 1b, 15b, 20b, 25b and 35b

(13) to the Standing Committee on National Defence and Veterans Affairs

National Defence, Votes 1b and 10b

Veterans Affairs, Votes 1b and 10b

(14) to the Standing Committee on Procedure and House Affairs

Parliament, Vote 5b

(15) to the Standing Committee on Public Accounts

Finance, Vote 20b

(16) to the Standing Committee on Transport

Transport, Votes 1b and 20b

(17) to the Standing Committee on Government Operations and Estimates

Justice, Votes 40b and 45b

Parliament, Vote 1b

Privy Council, Votes 1b, 20b, 25b, 40b and 65b

Public Works and Government Services, Votes 1b, 5b and 20b

Treasury Board, Votes 2b and 15b

(18) to the Standing Joint Committee on Library of Parliament

Parliament, Vote 10b

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Pursuant to Standing Order 79(3), the Speaker read the following Message from Her Excellency the Governor General, presented by Ms. Robillard (President of the Treasury Board) :

Message on Estimates

Her Excellency the Governor General transmits to the House of Commons the Main Estimates of sums required for the public service of Canada in the fiscal year ending on March 31, 2004, and in accordance with section 54 of the Constitution Act, 1867, recommends these Estimates to the House of Commons.

Ms. Robillard (President of the Treasury Board) laid upon the Table, — Document entitled “2003-2004 Estimates, Parts I and II: The Government Expenditure Plan and Main Estimates”. — Sessional Paper No. 8520-372-3.

Pursuant to Standing Order 81(4), the Main Estimates for the fiscal year ending March 31, 2004, were deemed referred to the several standing committees of the House as follows:

(1) to the Standing Committee on Aboriginal Affairs, Northern Development and Natural Resources

Indian Affairs and Northern Development, Votes 1, 5, 10, 15, L20, L25, 30, 35, 40 and 45

Natural Resources, Votes 1, 5, 10, 15, 20, 25 and 30

Public Works and Government Services, Vote 25

(2) to the Standing Committee on Agriculture and Agri-Food

Agriculture and Agri-Food, Votes 1, 5, 10, 15, 20, 25, 30, 35 and 40

(3) to the Standing Committee on Canadian Heritage

Canadian Heritage, Votes 1, 5, L10, 15, 20, 25, 30, 35, 40, 45, 50, 55, 60, 65, 70, 75, 80, 85, 90, 95, 100, 105, 115, 120 and 125

(4) to the Standing Committee on Citizenship and Immigration

Citizenship and Immigration, Votes 1, 5 and 10

(5) to the Standing Committee on Environment and Sustainable Development

Environment, Votes 1, 5, 10 and 15

Privy Council Office, Vote 30

(6) to the Standing Committee on Finance

Canada Customs and Revenue Agency, Votes 1, 5 and 10

Finance, Votes 1, 5, L10, 15, 25, 30 and 35

(7) to the Standing Committee on Fisheries and Oceans

Fisheries and Oceans, Votes 1, 5 and 10

(8) to the Standing Committee on Foreign Affairs and International Trade

Foreign Affairs, Votes 1, 5, 10, 15, 20, 25, L30, L35, 40, 45, 50 and 55

(9) to the Standing Committee on Health

Health, Votes 1, 5, 10, 15, 20 and 25

(10) to the Standing Committee on Human Resources Development and the Status of Persons with Disabilities

Human Resources Development, Votes 1, 5, 10, 15 and 20

(11) to the Standing Committee on Industry, Science and Technology

Industry, Votes 1, 5, L10, L15, 20, 25, 30, 35, 40, 45, 50, 55, 60, 65, 70, 75, 80, 85, 90, 95, 100, 105, 110, 115, 120, 125, 130 and 135

(12) to the Standing Committee on Justice and Human Rights

Justice, Votes 1, 5, 10, 15, 20, 25, 30, 35, 50 and 55

Privy Council, Vote 40

Solicitor General, Votes 1, 5, 10, 15, 20, 25, 30, 35, 40, 45, 50 and 55

(13) to the Standing Committee on National Defence and Veterans Affairs

National Defence, Votes 1, 5, 10, 15 and 20

Veterans Affairs, Votes 1, 5 and 10

(14) to the Standing Committee on Official Languages

Privy Council, Vote 25

(15) to the Standing Committee on Procedure and House Affairs

Parliament, Vote 5

Privy Council, Vote 20

(16) to the Standing Committee on Public Accounts

Finance, Vote 20

(17) to the Standing Committee on Transport

Transport, Votes 1, 5, 10, 15, 20, 25, 30, 35, 40, 45, 50, 55 and 60

(18) to the Standing Committee on Government Operations and Estimates

Canadian Heritage, Vote 110

Governor General, Vote 1

Justice, Votes 40 and 45

Parliament, Vote 1

Privy Council, Votes 1, 5, 10, 15 and 35

Public Works and Government Services, Votes 1, 5, 10, 15 and 20

Treasury Board, Votes 1, 2, 5, 10 and 20

(19) to the Standing Joint Committee on the Library of Parliament

Parliament, Vote 10

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Pursuant to Standing Order 32(2), Mr. Regan (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons) laid upon the Table, — Orders in Council concerning certain appointments made by the Governor General in Council, pursuant to Standing Order 110(1), as follows:

— P.C. 2003-162, P.C. 2003-210 and P.C. 2003-211. — Sessional Paper No. 8540-372-3-09. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(6), referred to the Standing Committee on Canadian Heritage)

— P.C. 2003-159, P.C. 2003-160, P.C. 2003-161, P.C. 2003-204, P.C. 2003-205, P.C. 2003-206, P.C. 2003-207 and P.C. 2003-208. — Sessional Paper No. 8540-372-14-08. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(6), referred to the Standing Committee on Citizenship and Immigration)

— P.C. 2003-217. — Sessional Paper No. 8540-372-10-06. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(6), referred to the Standing Committee on Fisheries and Oceans)

— P.C. 2003-164. — Sessional Paper No. 8540-372-8-10. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(6), referred to the Standing Committee on Foreign Affairs and International Trade)

— P.C. 2003-165. — Sessional Paper No. 8540-372-4-08. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(6), referred to the Standing Committee on Government Operations and Estimates)

— P.C. 2003-167, P.C. 2003-168, P.C. 2003-169, P.C. 2003-170 and P.C. 2003-171. — Sessional Paper No. 8540-372-16-07. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(6), referred to the Standing Committee on Human Resources Development and the Status of Persons with Disabilities)

— P.C. 2003-166 and P.C. 2003-216. — Sessional Paper No. 8540-372-22-09. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(6), referred to the Standing Committee on Industry, Science and Technology)

— P.C. 2003-163, P.C. 2003-213 and P.C. 2003-214. — Sessional Paper No. 8540-372-13-07. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(6), referred to the Standing Committee on Justice and Human Rights)

— P.C. 2003-203. — Sessional Paper No. 8540-372-5-09. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(6), referred to the Standing Committee on Procedure and House Affairs)

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Pursuant to Standing Order 32(2), Mr. Regan (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons) laid upon the Table, — Government responses, pursuant to Standing Order 36(8), to the following petitions:

— No. 372-0402 concerning illicit drug use. — Sessional Paper No. 8545-372-67-01;

— Nos. 372-0561 and 372-0810 concerning genetic engineering. — Sessional Paper No. 8545-372-16-04;

— No. 372-0607 concerning abortion. — Sessional Paper No. 8545-372-68-01;

— No. 372-0766 concerning the fishing industry. — Sessional Paper No. 8545-372-22-07;

— No. 372-0811 concerning the protection of the environment. — Sessional Paper No. 8545-372-21-02;

— Nos. 372-0879, 372-0880, 372-0890, 372-0892, 372-0893, 372-0967 and 372-0981 concerning the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms. — Sessional Paper No. 8545-372-44-04;

— Nos. 372-0894, 372-0946, 372-0971, 372-0972 and 372-0976 concerning marriage. — Sessional Paper No. 8545-372-40-04;

— Nos. 372-0968 and 372-0979 concerning sex offenders. — Sessional Paper No. 8545-372-69-01;

— Nos. 372-0986 to 372-0989, 372-0991, 372-0997 and 372-0998 concerning the Steven Truscott case. — Sessional Paper No. 8545-372-23-04.

Presenting Reports from Committees

Mr. Patry (Pierrefonds—Dollard) , from the Standing Committee on Foreign Affairs and International Trade, presented the Fourth Report of the Committee (situation of Iraq). — Sessional Paper No. 8510-372-38.

A copy of the relevant Minutes of Proceedings (Meetings Nos. 5, 9, 12, 14, 16, 20 and 21) was tabled.

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Mr. Robinson (Burnaby—Douglas) , from the Standing Committee on Justice and Human Rights, presented the First Report of the Committee (extension of time to consider Bill C-250, An Act to amend the Criminal Code (hate propaganda)). — Sessional Paper No. 8510-372-39.

A copy of the relevant Minutes of Proceedings (Meeting No. 22) was tabled.

Introduction of Private Members' Bills

Pursuant to Standing Orders 68(2) and 69(1), on motion of Mr. Nystrom (Regina—Qu'Appelle) , seconded by Mr. Robinson (Burnaby—Douglas) , Bill C-405, An Act to provide compensation to First Nations veterans on a comparable basis to that given to other war veterans, was introduced, read the first time, ordered to be printed and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of the House.

Motions

By unanimous consent, it was ordered, — That, during the debate in Committee of the Whole to be held later today, the Chair shall not receive any requests for unanimous consent to propose any motion or quorum calls.

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By unanimous consent, it was ordered, — That, in relation to its study of marriage and the legal recognition of same-sex unions, 11 members of the Standing Committee on Justice and Human Rights be authorized to travel and hold hearings in Vancouver, Edmonton, Moose Jaw, Saskatchewan, Steinbach, Manitoba, Halifax, Sussex, New Brunswick, Sudbury, Toronto, Iqaluit, Montreal, Rimouski or elsewhere in Canada in April and May, 2003, and that the necessary staff do accompany the Committee.

Presenting Petitions

Pursuant to Standing Order 36, petitions certified correct by the Clerk of Petitions were presented as follows:

— by Mrs. Gallant (Renfrew—Nipissing—Pembroke) , two concerning emergency preparedness (Nos. 372-1169 and 372-1170);

— by Mr. LeBlanc (Beauséjour—Petitcodiac) , one concerning war on Iraq (No. 372-1171);

— by Mr. Robinson (Burnaby—Douglas) , one concerning the United States' policy towards Cuba (No. 372-1172);

— by Mr. Peric (Cambridge) , one concerning unborn children (No. 372-1173);

— by Mr. Penson (Peace River) , one concerning pornography (No. 372-1174);

— by Mr. Spencer (Regina—Lumsden—Lake Centre) , two concerning the Divorce Act (Nos. 372-1175 and 372-1176);

— by Mr. Hill (Prince George—Peace River) , one concerning pornography (No. 372-1177);

— by Mrs. Ur (Lambton—Kent—Middlesex) , one concerning pornography (No. 372-1178), one concerning the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms (No. 372-1179) and one concerning the Canada Post Corporation (No. 372-1180);

— by Mr. Grewal (Surrey Central) , one concerning stem cell research (No. 372-1181).

Questions on Order Paper

Mr. Regan (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons) presented the answer to question Q-82 on the Order Paper.

Government Orders

The House resumed consideration of the motion of Mr. Manley (Minister of Finance) , seconded by Mr. Boudria (Minister of State and Leader of the Government in the House of Commons) , — That this House approves in general the budgetary policy of the Government; (Ways and Means Proceedings No. 2)

And of the amendment of Mr. Harper (Calgary Southwest) , seconded by Mr. Hill (Macleod) , — That the motion be amended by deleting all the words after the word “That” and substituting the following:

“this House rejects the government's budget statement because it continues the policies established by the previous Finance Minister that failed to give Canada the economic foundations that lead to a country that is number one in wealth, security and democracy and by laying aside prudence in budgeting for the padding of ministerial budgets; turning surplus funds to slush funds for prime-ministerial hopefuls; and by continuing to overtax and overburden Canadian families and workers.”.

The debate continued.

At 6:15 p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 84(5), the Speaker interrupted the proceedings.

The question was put on the amendment and it was negatived on the following division:

(Division No. 53 -- Vote no 53) YEAS: 82, NAYS: 156 YEAS -- POUR Abbott Anders Anderson (Cypress Hills—Grasslands) Asselin Bachand (Saint-Jean) Bailey Barnes (Gander—Grand Falls) Benoit Bergeron Bigras Borotsik Bourgeois Breitkreuz Burton Cadman Cardin Casson Crête Cummins Dalphond-Guiral Desrochers Doyle Duceppe Duncan Elley Epp Fitzpatrick Forseth Fournier Gagnon (Québec) Gagnon (Lac-Saint-Jean—Saguenay) Gaudet Gauthier Girard-Bujold Goldring Grewal Grey Guay Guimond Hanger Harper Harris Hearn Hill (Prince George--Peace River) Hilstrom Hinton Jaffer Johnston Kenney (Calgary Southeast) Laframboise Lanctôt Lunney (Nanaimo—Alberni) Marceau Martin (Esquimalt--Juan de Fuca) Mayfield Meredith Merrifield Moore Obhrai Paquette Penson Picard (Drummond) Plamondon Rajotte Reid (Lanark—Carleton) Reynolds Rocheleau Roy Sauvageau Skelton Solberg Sorenson Spencer St-Hilaire Strahl Thompson (Wild Rose) Toews Wayne White (Langley--Abbotsford) White (North Vancouver) Williams Yelich -- 82 NAYS -- CONTRE Alcock Allard Anderson (Victoria) Assad Assadourian Augustine Bagnell Bakopanos Barnes (London West) Bélair Bélanger Bellemare Bennett Bevilacqua Binet Blaikie Blondin-Andrew Bonwick Boudria Bradshaw Bryden Bulte Byrne Caccia Calder Cannis Caplan Carignan Carroll Catterall Cauchon Chamberlain Charbonneau Coderre Collenette Copps Cotler Cullen Cuzner Davies Desjarlais DeVillers Dhaliwal Dion Discepola Drouin Duplain Easter Eggleton Eyking Farrah Finlay Folco Fontana Frulla Fry Gallaway Godfrey Godin Goodale Graham Grose Guarnieri Harb Harvard Harvey Ianno Jackson Jennings Jordan Keyes Kilgour (Edmonton Southeast) Knutson Kraft Sloan Laliberte Lastewka LeBlanc Lee Leung Lincoln Longfield MacAulay Macklin Mahoney Malhi Maloney Marcil Marleau Martin (LaSalle--Émard) Masse Matthews McCallum McCormick McGuire McKay (Scarborough East) McLellan Mills (Toronto--Danforth) Minna Mitchell Murphy Myers Nault Neville Nystrom O'Brien (London--Fanshawe) O'Reilly Owen Pacetti Pagtakhan Paradis Parrish Patry Peric Peschisolido Peterson Pettigrew Pickard (Chatham--Kent Essex) Pratt Proctor Proulx Provenzano Redman Reed (Halton) Regan Robillard Robinson Rock Saada Savoy Scherrer Scott Serré Sgro Shepherd Simard St-Jacques St-Julien Steckle Stewart Stoffer Szabo Telegdi Thibault (West Nova) Thibeault (Saint-Lambert) Tirabassi Tonks Torsney Ur Valeri Vanclief Volpe Wappel Wasylycia-Leis Whelan Wilfert Wood -- 156 PAIRED -- PAIRÉS Beaumier Bertrand Brown Dubé Lalonde Loubier Manley Ménard Perron Phinney Speller Tremblay

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At 6:51 p.m., pursuant to Order made Monday, February 24, 2003, under the provisions of Standing Order 53.1, the House resolved itself into a Committee of the Whole for the consideration of the following motion, — That this Committee take note of the fisheries. (Government Business No. 14)

At 10:50 p.m., the Committee rose.

Petitions Filed with the Clerk of the House

Pursuant to Standing Order 36, a petition certified correct by the Clerk of Petitions was filed as follows:

— by Mrs. Chamberlain (Guelph—Wellington) , one concerning the Canada Post Corporation (No. 372-1182).

Adjournment

At 10:50 p.m., the Speaker adjourned the House until tomorrow at 10:00 a.m., pursuant to Standing Order 24(1).