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HOUSE OF COMMONS OF CANADA
36th PARLIAMENT, 1st SESSION


JOURNALS

No. 076

Wednesday, March 18, 1998

2:00 p.m.



PRAYERS

NATIONAL ANTHEM

STATEMENTS BY MEMBERS

Pursuant to Standing Order 31, Members made statements.

ORAL QUESTIONS

Pursuant to Standing Order 30(5), the House proceeded to Oral Questions.

MOTIONS

By unanimous consent, it was ordered, -- That any recorded division demanded this afternoon on any of Ways and Means proceedings Nos. 3, 6, 10 or 11 be deferred to the expiry of the time provided for Government Orders today.

DAILY ROUTINE OF BUSINESS

Tabling of Documents

Pursuant to Standing Order 32(2), Mr. Adams (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons) laid upon the Table, -- Government responses, pursuant to Standing Order 36(8), to the following petitions:

-- Nos. 361-0036, 361-0085, 361-0086, 361-0087, 361-0088, 361- 0089, 361-0198, 361-0199, 361-0200 and 361-0322 concerning the sexual exploitation of minors. -- Sessional Paper No. 8545-361-44;

-- Nos. 361-0274, 361-0277, 361-0375 and 361-0380 concerning the Young Offenders Act. -- Sessional Paper No. 8545-361-45;

-- No. 361-0435 concerning the highway system. -- Sessional Paper No. 8545-361-11F.

Introduction of Private Members' Bills

Pursuant to Standing Orders 68(2) and 69(1), on motion of Mr. McTeague (Pickering -- Ajax -- Uxbridge), seconded by Mr. Jordan (Leeds -- Grenville), Bill C-381, An Act to amend the Canadian Radio-television and Telecommunications Commission Act, was introduced, read the first time, ordered to be printed and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of the House.

Presenting Petitions

Pursuant to Standing Order 36, petitions certified correct by the Clerk of Petitions were presented as follows:

-- by Mr. Blaikie (Winnipeg Transcona), nine concerning international trade (Nos. 361-0571 to 361-0579);

-- by Mr. Myers (Waterloo -- Wellington), one concerning the highway system (No. 361-0580);

-- by Mr. Elley (Nanaimo -- Cowichan), one concerning international trade (No. 361-0581) and one concerning taxes on books (No. 361-0582);

-- by Mr. Riis (Kamloops), one concerning child labour (No. 361-0583);

-- by Mr. Cannis (Scarborough Centre), four concerning nudity (Nos. 361-0584 to 361-0587) and one concerning nuclear weapons (No. 361-0588);

-- by Mr. Morrison (Cypress Hills -- Grasslands), two concerning the highway system (Nos. 361-0589 and 361-0590);

-- by Mr. Stoffer (Sackville -- Eastern Shore), six concerning international trade (Nos. 361-0591 to 361-0596);

-- by Mr. Szabo (Mississauga South), one concerning police and firefighters' death benefits (No. 361-0597);

-- by Ms. Wasylycia-Leis (Winnipeg North Centre), one concerning international trade (No. 361-0598);

-- by Mr. Nunziata (York South -- Weston), one concerning nudity (No. 361-0599) and one concerning immigration (No. 361- 0600);

-- by Mr. Laliberte (Churchill River), one concerning the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms (No. 361-0601) and twelve concerning international trade (Nos. 361-0602 to 361- 0613);

-- by Mr. Williams (St. Albert), one concerning radio and television programming (No. 361-0614);

-- by Mrs. Desjarlais (Churchill), seven concerning international trade (Nos. 361-0615 to 361-0621);

-- by Ms. Lill (Dartmouth), four concerning international trade (Nos. 361-0622 to 361-0625);

-- by Mr. Earle (Halifax West), eleven concerning international trade (Nos. 361-0626 to 361-0636).

Questions on Order Paper

Pursuant to Standing Order 39(7), the following question was made an Order for Return:

    Q-73 -- Mr. MacKay (Pictou -- Antigonish -- Guysborough) -- With respect to the Canada-Nova Scotia Infrastructure Works program: (a) what projects have been approved under this program since June 2, 1997; (b) what was the location of each approved project; and (c) what was the financial contribution made by the Government of Canada for each approved project?

Mr. Adams (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons) presented the Return to this Order. -- Sessional Paper No. 8555-361-73.

MOTIONS

By unanimous consent, it was ordered, -- That, in relation to its study of social and economic challenges facing members of the Canadian Forces, the Standing Committee on National Defence and Veterans Affairs be authorized to travel to Trenton from March 29 to 31, 1998, to Petawawa on April 20 and 21, 1998, to Borden and Meaford from April 26 to 28, 1998, to Gagetown, Goose Bay and Halifax from May 3 to May 8, 1998, and to Bosnia and Geilenkerchen, Germany, from May 17 to May 23, 1998; and that the necessary staff do accompany the Committee.

GOVERNMENT ORDERS

The Order was read for consideration of a Ways and Means motion to amend the Excise Tax Act notice of which was laid upon the Table on Thursday, December 4, 1997 (Sessional Paper No. 8570-361-3). (Ways and Means Proceedings No. 3)

Mr. MacAulay (Minister of Labour) for Mr. Peterson (Secretary of State (International Financial Institutions)), seconded by Mr. Mifflin (Minister of Veterans Affairs), moved, -- That the motion be concurred in.

The question was put on the motion and it was agreed to.


The Order was read for consideration of a Ways and Means motion to amend the Excise Tax Act notice of which was laid upon the Table on Friday, February 13, 1998 (Sessional Paper No. 8570-361-6). (Ways and Means Proceedings No. 6)

Mr. MacAulay (Minister of Labour) for Mr. Martin (Minister of Finance), seconded by Mr. Mifflin (Minister of Veterans Affairs), moved, -- That the motion be concurred in.

The question was put on the motion and it was agreed to on division.


The Order was read for consideration of a Ways and Means motion to implement a Kamloops Indian Band tax on alcohol, tobacco and fuels notice of which was laid upon the Table on Tuesday March 17, 1998 (Sessional Paper No. 8570-361-11. (Ways and Means Proceedings No. 10)

Mr. MacAulay (Minister of Labour) for Mr. Peterson (Secretary of State (International Financial Institutions)), seconded by Mr. Mifflin (Minister of Veterans Affairs), moved, -- That the motion be concurred in.

The question was put on the motion and, pursuant to Order made earlier today, the recorded division was deferred until the expiry of the time provided for Government Orders.


The Order was read for consideration of a Ways and Means motion to amend the Budget Implementation Act, 1997 notice of which was laid upon the Table on Tuesday March 17, 1998 (Sessional Paper No. 8570-361-12). (Ways and Means Proceedings No. 11)

Mr. MacAulay (Minister of Labour) for Mr. Peterson (Secretary of State (International Financial Institutions)), seconded by Mr. Mifflin (Minister of Veterans Affairs), moved, -- That the motion be concurred in.

The question was put on the motion and, pursuant to Order made earlier today, the recorded division was deferred until the expiry of the time provided for Government Orders.


The Order was read for the third reading of Bill C-21, An Act to amend the Small Business Loans Act.

Mr. Mifflin (Minister of Veterans Affairs) for Mr. Manley (Minister of Industry), seconded by Mr. MacAulay (Minister of Labour), moved, -- That the Bill be now read a third time and do pass.

Debate arose thereon.

MOTIONS

By unanimous consent, it was ordered, -- That the members of the Standing Committee on Transport and the necessary staff be authorized to travel to Europe from April 20 to 27, 1998, to gather information in relation to their study on the national passenger rail system.

GOVERNMENT ORDERS

The House resumed consideration of the motion of Mr. Manley (Minister of Industry), seconded by Mr. MacAulay (Minister of Labour), -- That Bill C-21, An Act to amend the Small Business Loans Act, be now read a third time and do pass.

The debate continued.

The question was put on the motion and, pursuant to Standing Order 45, the recorded division was deferred until the expiry of the time provided for Government Orders.


The Order was read for the second reading and reference to the the Standing Committee on Canadian Heritage of Bill C-29, An Act to establish the Canadian Parks Agency and to amend other Acts as a consequence.

Mr. Mitchell (Secretary of State (Parks)) for Ms. Copps (Minister of Canadian Heritage), seconded by Mr. Kilgour (Secretary of State (Latin America and Africa)), moved, -- That the Bill be now read a second time and referred to the Standing Committee on Canadian Heritage.

Debate arose thereon.


At 5:30 p.m., pursuant to Order made earlier today, the House proceeded to the taking of the deferred recorded division on the motion of Mr. Peterson (Secretary of State (International Financial Institutions)), seconded by Mr. Mifflin (Minister of Veterans Affairs), -- That the Ways and Means motion to implement a Kamloops Indian Band tax on alcohol, tobacco and fuels be concurred in. (Ways and Means Proceedings No. 10)

The question was put on the motion and it was agreed to on the following division:



(Division--Vote No 110)

YEAS-POUR

Members--Députés

-- Adams -- Alarie -- Alcock -- Anderson -- Assadourian -- Asselin -- Augustine -- Axworthy --  (Winnipeg South Centre) -- Bachand --  (Richmond -- Arthabaska) -- Bachand --  (Saint-Jean) -- Baker -- Bakopanos -- Barnes -- Beaumier -- Bélair -- Bélanger -- Bellehumeur -- Bellemare -- Bennett -- Bergeron -- Bernier --  (Bonaventure -- Gaspé -- Îles-de-la-Madeleine -- Pabok) -- Bernier --  (Tobique -- Mactaquac) -- Bertrand -- Bevilacqua -- Blaikie -- Blondin-Andrew -- Bonin -- Bonwick -- Borotsik -- Boudria -- Bradshaw -- Brison -- Brown -- Bryden -- Bulte -- Byrne -- Calder -- Cannis -- Canuel -- Caplan -- Carroll -- Catterall -- Cauchon -- Chamberlain -- Chan -- Charbonneau -- Chrétien --  (Frontenac -- Mégantic) -- Chrétien --  (Saint-Maurice) -- Clouthier -- Coderre -- Cohen -- Collenette -- Comuzzi -- Copps -- Cullen -- Dalphond-Guiral -- Davies -- Debien -- Desjarlais -- Desrochers -- DeVillers -- Dhaliwal -- Dion -- Discepola -- Dromisky -- Drouin -- Dubé --  (Lévis) -- Dubé --  (Madawaska -- Restigouche) -- Duceppe -- Duhamel -- Dumas -- Earle -- Easter -- Eggleton -- Finestone -- Finlay -- Folco -- Fontana -- Gagliano -- Gagnon -- Gallaway -- Gauthier -- Godfrey -- Godin --  (Acadie -- Bathurst) -- Godin --  (Châteauguay) -- Graham -- Gray --  (Windsor West) -- Grose -- Guarnieri -- Guay -- Guimond -- Hardy -- Harvard -- Harvey -- Herron -- Hubbard -- Ianno -- Iftody -- Jackson -- Jennings -- Jones -- Jordan -- Karetak-Lindell -- Keyes -- Kilger --  (Stormont -- Dundas) -- Kilgour --  (Edmonton Southeast) -- Knutson -- Kraft Sloan -- Laliberte -- Lastewka -- Laurin -- Lavigne -- Lebel -- Lee -- Leung -- Lill -- Longfield -- MacAulay -- MacKay --  (Pictou -- Antigonish -- Guysborough) -- Mahoney -- Malhi -- Maloney -- Manley -- Marleau -- Massé -- Matthews -- McCormick -- McDonough -- McGuire -- McKay --  (Scarborough East) -- McLellan --  (Edmonton West) -- McTeague -- McWhinney -- Ménard -- Mifflin -- Minna -- Mitchell -- Murray -- Myers -- Nault -- Normand -- Nystrom -- O'Brien --  (London -- Fanshawe) -- O'Reilly -- Pagtakhan -- Paradis -- Parrish -- Patry -- Peric -- Perron -- Peterson -- Pettigrew -- Phinney -- Picard --  (Drummond) -- Pickard --  (Kent -- Essex) -- Pillitteri -- Plamondon -- Power -- Pratt -- Price -- Proud -- Provenzano -- Redman -- Reed -- Richardson -- Riis -- Robillard -- Rock -- Saada -- Scott --  (Fredericton) -- Serré -- Shepherd -- St. Denis -- Steckle -- Stewart --  (Brant) -- St-Jacques -- St-Julien -- Szabo -- Telegdi -- Thibeault -- Thompson --  (Charlotte) -- Torsney -- Turp -- Ur -- Vanclief -- Vautour -- Venne -- Volpe -- Wappel -- Wasylycia-Leis -- Wayne -- Whelan -- Wilfert -- Wood -- 194

NAYS-CONTRE

Members--Députés

-- Abbott -- Ablonczy -- Anders -- Benoit -- Breitkreuz --  (Yellowhead) -- Casson -- Chatters -- Duncan -- Elley -- Epp -- Forseth -- Gilmour -- Goldring -- Gouk -- Grewal -- Grey --  (Edmonton North) -- Hart -- Hill --  (Prince George -- Peace River) -- Hilstrom -- Hoeppner -- Jaffer -- Johnston -- Kenney --  (Calgary-Sud-Est) -- Kerpan -- Konrad -- Lowther -- Lunn -- Mark -- Mayfield -- McNally -- Meredith -- Mills --  (Red Deer) -- Morrison -- Nunziata -- Penson -- Reynolds -- Schmidt -- Solberg -- Strahl -- Vellacott -- Williams -- 41

Paired Members--Députés Pairés

-- Brien -- Crête -- Fry -- Girard-Bujold -- Goodale -- Harb -- Lalonde -- Lincoln -- Marceau -- Marchi -- Martin --  (LaSalle -- Émard) -- O'Brien --  (Labrador) -- Rocheleau -- Sauvageau -- Speller -- Stewart --  (Northumberland) -- St-Hilaire -- Tremblay --  (Lac-Saint-Jean) -- Tremblay --  (Rimouski -- Mitis) -- Valeri


Pursuant to Order made earlier today, the House proceeded to the taking of the deferred recorded division on the motion of Mr. Peterson (Secretary of State (International Financial Institutions)), seconded by Mr. Mifflin (Minister of Veterans Affairs), -- That the Ways and Means motion to amend the Budget Implementation Act, 1997 be concurred in. (Ways and Means Proceedings No. 11)

The question was put on the motion and it was agreed to on the following division:

YEAS: 194, NAYS: 41. (See list under Division No. 110)


Pursuant to Standing Order 45, the House proceeded to the taking of the deferred recorded division on the motion of Mr. Manley (Minister of Industry), seconded by Mr. MacAulay (Minister of Labour), -- That Bill C-21, An Act to amend the Small Business Loans Act, be now read a third time and do pass.

The question was put on the motion and it was agreed to on the following division:



(Division--Vote No 111)

YEAS-POUR

Members--Députés

-- Adams -- Alarie -- Alcock -- Anderson -- Assadourian -- Asselin -- Augustine -- Axworthy --  (Winnipeg South Centre) -- Bachand --  (Richmond -- Arthabaska) -- Bachand --  (Saint-Jean) -- Baker -- Bakopanos -- Barnes -- Beaumier -- Bélair -- Bélanger -- Bellehumeur -- Bellemare -- Bennett -- Bergeron -- Bernier --  (Bonaventure -- Gaspé -- Îles-de-la-Madeleine -- Pabok) -- Bernier --  (Tobique -- Mactaquac) -- Bertrand -- Bevilacqua -- Blaikie -- Blondin-Andrew -- Bonin -- Bonwick -- Borotsik -- Boudria -- Bradshaw -- Brison -- Brown -- Bryden -- Bulte -- Byrne -- Calder -- Cannis -- Canuel -- Caplan -- Carroll -- Catterall -- Cauchon -- Chamberlain -- Chan -- Charbonneau -- Chrétien --  (Frontenac -- Mégantic) -- Chrétien --  (Saint-Maurice) -- Clouthier -- Coderre -- Cohen -- Collenette -- Comuzzi -- Copps -- Cullen -- Dalphond-Guiral -- Davies -- Debien -- Desjarlais -- Desrochers -- DeVillers -- Dhaliwal -- Dion -- Discepola -- Dromisky -- Drouin -- Dubé --  (Lévis) -- Dubé --  (Madawaska -- Restigouche) -- Duceppe -- Duhamel -- Dumas -- Earle -- Easter -- Eggleton -- Finestone -- Finlay -- Folco -- Fontana -- Gagliano -- Gagnon -- Gallaway -- Gauthier -- Godfrey -- Godin --  (Acadie -- Bathurst) -- Godin --  (Châteauguay) -- Graham -- Gray --  (Windsor West) -- Grose -- Guarnieri -- Guay -- Guimond -- Hardy -- Harvard -- Harvey -- Herron -- Hubbard -- Ianno -- Iftody -- Jackson -- Jennings -- Jones -- Jordan -- Karetak-Lindell -- Keyes -- Kilger --  (Stormont -- Dundas) -- Kilgour --  (Edmonton Southeast) -- Knutson -- Kraft Sloan -- Laliberte -- Lastewka -- Laurin -- Lavigne -- Lebel -- Lee -- Leung -- Lill -- Longfield -- MacAulay -- MacKay --  (Pictou -- Antigonish -- Guysborough) -- Mahoney -- Malhi -- Maloney -- Manley -- Marleau -- Massé -- Matthews -- McCormick -- McDonough -- McGuire -- McKay --  (Scarborough East) -- McLellan --  (Edmonton West) -- McTeague -- McWhinney -- Ménard -- Mifflin -- Minna -- Mitchell -- Murray -- Myers -- Nault -- Normand -- Nunziata -- Nystrom -- O'Brien --  (London -- Fanshawe) -- O'Reilly -- Pagtakhan -- Paradis -- Parrish -- Patry -- Peric -- Perron -- Peterson -- Pettigrew -- Phinney -- Picard --  (Drummond) -- Pickard --  (Kent -- Essex) -- Pillitteri -- Plamondon -- Power -- Pratt -- Price -- Proud -- Provenzano -- Redman -- Reed -- Richardson -- Riis -- Robillard -- Rock -- Saada -- Scott --  (Fredericton) -- Serré -- Shepherd -- St. Denis -- Steckle -- Stewart --  (Brant) -- St-Jacques -- St-Julien -- Szabo -- Telegdi -- Thibeault -- Thompson --  (Charlotte) -- Torsney -- Turp -- Ur -- Vanclief -- Vautour -- Venne -- Volpe -- Wappel -- Wasylycia-Leis -- Wayne -- Whelan -- Wilfert -- Wood -- 195

NAYS-CONTRE

Members--Députés

-- Abbott -- Ablonczy -- Anders -- Benoit -- Breitkreuz --  (Yellowhead) -- Casson -- Chatters -- Duncan -- Elley -- Epp -- Forseth -- Gilmour -- Goldring -- Gouk -- Grewal -- Grey --  (Edmonton North) -- Hart -- Hill --  (Prince George -- Peace River) -- Hilstrom -- Hoeppner -- Jaffer -- Johnston -- Kenney --  (Calgary-Sud-Est) -- Kerpan -- Konrad -- Lowther -- Lunn -- Mark -- Mayfield -- McNally -- Meredith -- Mills --  (Red Deer) -- Morrison -- Penson -- Reynolds -- Schmidt -- Solberg -- Strahl -- Vellacott -- Williams -- 40

Paired Members--Députés Pairés

-- Brien -- Crête -- Fry -- Girard-Bujold -- Goodale -- Harb -- Lalonde -- Lincoln -- Marceau -- Marchi -- Martin --  (LaSalle -- Émard) -- O'Brien --  (Labrador) -- Rocheleau -- Sauvageau -- Speller -- Stewart --  (Northumberland) -- St-Hilaire -- Tremblay --  (Lac-Saint-Jean) -- Tremblay --  (Rimouski -- Mitis) -- Valeri

Accordingly, the Bill was read the third time and passed.

PRIVATE MEMBERS' BUSINESS

At 6:05 p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 30(7), the House proceeded to the consideration of Private Members' Business.

Mr. Chatters (Athabasca), seconded by Mr. Hoeppner (Portage -- Lisgar), moved, -- That, in the opinion of this House, the definition of hobby farmer stated by Disaster Relief Canada should be split into the following two definitions: (a) Hobby farmers: individuals who seek careers outside agriculture and have farms for recreational or investment reasons; and (b) Junior farmers: individuals who intend to become fulltime farmers, but currently are forced to seek off-farm income to build an equity in their farming business. (Private Members' Business M-11)

Debate arose thereon.

Pursuant to Standing Order 96(1), the Order was dropped from the Order Paper.

MESSAGES FROM THE SENATE

Messages were received from the Senate as follows:

-- ORDERED: That a message be sent to the House of Commons to acquaint that House that the Standing Joint Committee on Official Languages has been authorized to examine the expenditures set out in Privy Council Vote 25 of the Estimates for the fiscal year ending March 31, 1999.

-- ORDERED: That a message be sent to the House of Commons to acquaint that House that the Standing Joint Committee on the Library of Parliament has been authorized to examine the expenditures set out in Parliament Vote 10 of the Estimates for the fiscal year ending March 31, 1999.

RETURNS AND REPORTS DEPOSITED WITH THE CLERK OF THE HOUSE

Pursuant to Standing Order 32(1), papers deposited with the Clerk of the House were laid upon the Table as follows:

-- by Mr. Massé (President of the Treasury Board) -- Actuarial Report (Including Cost Certificate) on the Pension Plan for the Canadian Forces as at March 31, 1997, and certificate of assets of the Pension Plan, pursuant to the Public Pensions Reporting Act, R.S. 1985, c. 13 (2nd Supp.), sbs. 9(1). -- Sessional Paper No. 8560-361-49. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(5), permanently referred to the Standing Committee on Finance)

-- by Mr. Massé (President of the Treasury Board) -- Actuarial Report (including Cost Certificate) on the Pension Plan for the Public Service of Canada, as at March 31, 1996, and certificate of assets of the Pension Plan, pursuant to the Public Pensions Reporting Act, R.S. 1985, c. 13 (2nd Supp.), sbs. 9(1). -- Sessional Paper No. 8560-361-221. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(5), permanently referred to the Standing Committee on Finance)

-- by Mr. Massé (President of the Treasury Board) -- Actuarial Report (including Cost Certificate) on the Pension Plan for the Royal Canadian Mounted Police, as at March 31, 1996, and certificate of assets of the Pension Plan, pursuant to the Public Pension Reporting Act, R.S. 1985, c. 13 (2nd Supp.), sbs. 9(1). -- Sessional Paper No. 8560-361-580. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(5), permanently referred to the Standing Committee on Finance)

PETITIONS FILED WITH THE CLERK OF THE HOUSE

Pursuant to Standing Order 36, a petition certified correct by the Clerk of Petitions was filed as follows:

-- by Mr. Harvard (Charleswood -- Assiniboine), concerning international trade (No. 361-0637).

PROCEEDINGS ON ADJOURNMENT MOTION

At 6:58 p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 38(1), the question "That this House do now adjourn" was deemed to have been proposed.

After debate, the question was deemed to have been adopted.

ADJOURNMENT

At 7:22 p.m., the Speaker adjourned the House until tomorrow at 10:00 a.m., pursuant to Standing Order 24(1).