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House of Commons of Canada
35th Parliament, 2nd Session

Journals

No. 147
Wednesday, March 19, 1997
2:00 p.m.

Prayers

National Anthem

Statements by Members

Pursuant to Standing Order 31, Members made statements.

Oral Questions

Pursuant to Standing Order 30(5), the House proceeded to Oral Questions.

Daily Routine of Business

Tabling of Documents

Pursuant to Standing Order 32(2), Mr. Zed (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons) laid upon the Table, — Government responses, pursuant to Standing Order 36(8), to the following petitions:

  1. No. 352-1489 concerning Bell Canada. — Sessional Paper No. 8545-352-6D;
  2. No. 352-1607 concerning the pharmaceutical industry. — Sessional Paper No. 8545-352-94D;
  3. Nos. 352-1608, 352-1616 and 352-1624 concerning the tax on gasoline. — Sessional Paper No. 8545-352-44W;
  4. No. 352-1612 concerning the income tax system. — Sessional Paper No. 8545-352-28II;
  5. No. 352-1619 concerning gasoline pricing. — Sessional Paper No. 8545-352-78E.

Pursuant to Standing Order 32(2), Mr. Zed (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons) laid upon the Table, — Orders in Council approving certain appointments made by the Governor General in Council, pursuant to Standing Order 110(1), as follows:

  1. P.C. 1997-269, P.C. 1997-270, P.C. 1997-271 and P.C. 1997-272. — Sessional Paper No. 8540-352-2D. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(6), referred to the Standing Committee on Agriculture and Agri-Food);
  2. P.C. 1997-224, P.C. 1997-225 and P.C. 1997-276. — Sessional Paper No. 8540-352-3I. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(6), referred to the Standing Committee on Canadian Heritage);
  3. P.C. 1997-232, P.C. 1997-233, P.C. 1997-234, P.C. 1997-235, P.C. 1997-236 and P.C. 1997-237. — Sessional Paper No. 8540-352-14J. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(6), referred to the Standing Committee on Citizenship and Immigration);
  4. P.C. 1997-228. — Sessional Paper No. 8540-352-10J. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(6), referred to the Standing Committee on Fisheries and Oceans);
  5. P.C. 1997-222, P.C. 1997-223, P.C. 1997-268 and P.C. 1997-313. — Sessional Paper No. 8540-352-8K. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(6), referred to the Standing Committee on Foreign Affairs and International Trade);
  6. P.C. 1997-281. — Sessional Paper No. 8540-352-4G. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(6), referred to the Standing Committee on Government Operations);
  7. P.C. 1997-314. — Sessional Paper No. 8540-352-18G. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(6), referred to the Standing Committee on Health);
  8. P.C. 1997-221. — Sessional Paper No. 8540-352-22H. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(6), referred to the Standing Committee on Industry);
  9. P.C. 1997-226. — Sessional Paper No. 8540-352-13H. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(6), referred to the Standing Committee on Justice and Legal Affairs);
  10. P.C. 1997-264. — Sessional Paper No. 8540-352-6I. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(6), referred to the Standing Committee on Natural Resources);
  11. P.C. 1997-227, P.C. 1997-277 and P.C. 1997-278. — Sessional Paper No. 8540-352-5L. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(6), referred to the Standing Committee on Procedure and House Affairs).

Mr. Eggleton (Minister of International Trade) laid upon the Table, — Documents entitled “Canada’s International Business Strategy 1997-98” and “Achievements of the International Business Development Program (1997)”. — Sessional Paper No. 8525-352-18.

Statements by Ministers

Pursuant to Standing Order 33(1), Mr. Eggleton (Minister for International Trade) made a statement.

Presenting Reports from Committees

Mr. Zed (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons), from the Standing Committee on Procedure and House Affairs, presented the 59th Report of the Committee, which was as follows:

In accordance with its mandate under Standing Order 92(1), your Committee has selected from among the items for which an order of precedence was established on or after Thursday, February 20, 1997, the following as votable items:

Bill C–226 — Mrs. Venne

Bill C–232 — Mr. Riis

Bill C–345 — Mr. Bhaduria

A copy of the relevant Minutes of Proceedings and Evidence (Issue No. 3, which includes this Report) was tabled.

Pursuant to Standing Order 92(2), the Report was deemed adopted.

Mr. Zed (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons), from the Standing Committee on Procedure and House Affairs, presented the 60th Report of the Committee, which was as follows:

The Committee recommends, pursuant to Standing Orders 104 and 114, the following changes in the membership of Standing Committees:

Industry

Yves Rocheleau for Nic Leblanc

National Defence and Veterans Affairs

Jean-Marc Jacob for Pierre Brien
The Committee further recommends, that where a Member is appointed as permanent member to a Committee in accordance with this report and to which he was previously appointed Associate Member, that the name of the Member be struck from the list of Associate Members of the said Committee.
A copy of the relevant Minutes of Proceedings and Evidence (Issue No. 3, which includes this Report) was tabled.

Introduction of Private Members’ Bills

Pursuant to Standing Orders 68(2) and 69(1), on motion of Mrs. Jennings (Mission–Coquitlam), seconded by Mr. Williams (St. Albert), Bill C–390, An Act to amend the Food and Drugs Act (labelling for prepackaged foods), was introduced, read the first time, ordered to be printed and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of the House.

Pursuant to Standing Orders 68(2) and 69(1), on motion of Mr. Finlay (Oxford), seconded by Mr. Grose (Oshawa), Bill C–391, An Act to amend the Criminal Code (penalties for sexual offences involving children), was introduced, read the first time, ordered to be printed and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of the House.

Motions

By unanimous consent, Mr. Zed (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons), seconded by Mr. Kilger (Stormont–Dundas), moved, — That the 60th Report of the Standing Committee on Procedure and House Affairs, presented earlier today, be concurred in.

The question was put on the motion and it was agreed to.

Mr. Williams (St. Albert), seconded by Mr. Silye (Calgary Centre), moved, — That the 3rd Report of the Standing Committee on Public Accounts, presented on Monday, October 28, 1996, be concurred in.

Debate arose thereon.

Mr. Speaker (Lethbridge), seconded by Mr. Hanger (Calgary Northeast), moved, — That the Member for Calgary Centre be now heard.

The question was put on the motion and it was agreed to.

The House resumed consideration of the motion of Mr. Williams (St. Albert), seconded by Mr. Silye (Calgary Centre), — That the 3rd Report of the Standing Committee on Public Accounts, presented on Monday, October 28, 1996, be concurred in.

The debate continued.

Mr. Silye (Calgary Centre), seconded by Mr. Harper (Simcoe Centre), moved, — That the House do now adjourn.

The question was put on the motion and it was negatived on the following division:

(Division — Vote No 273)

Yeas — Pour

Members — Députés

Blaikie — Cummins — Epp — Gilmour — Grubel — Hanger — Harper (Simcoe Centre) — Hart — Jennings — Martin (Esquimalt–Juan de Fuca) — McClelland (Edmonton Southwest) — Meredith — Morrison — Silye — Solberg — Speaker — Thompson — White (North Vancouver) — Williams --19

Nays — Contre

Members — Députés

Alcock — Anderson — Arseneault — Augustine — Axworthy (Winnipeg South Centre) — Bachand — Bakopanos — Barnes — Bélanger — Bélisle — Bellehumeur — Bellemare — Bergeron — Bernier (Beauce) — Bernier (Gaspé) — Bernier (Mégantic–Compton–Stanstead) — Bertrand — Bethel — Bevilacqua — Bhaduria — Blondin-Andrew — Bodnar — Bonin — Boudria — Brown (Oakville–Milton) — Brushett — Bryden — Campbell — Cannis — Canuel — Catterall — Cauchon — Chan — Chrétien (Frontenac) — Chrétien (Saint-Maurice) — Clancy — Cohen — Collenette — Comuzzi — Copps — Cowling — Crête — Culbert — Cullen — Dalphond-Guiral — Daviault — Debien — Deshaies — DeVillers — Discepola — Dumas — Dupuy — Fewchuk — Fillion — Finestone — Finlay — Flis — Fontana — Frazer — Gaffney — Gagliano — Gagnon (Bonaventure–Îles-de-la-Madeleine) — Gallaway — Gauthier — Gerrard — Godfrey — Godin — Graham — Gray (Windsor West) — Grose — Guarnieri — Harb — Harvard — Hickey — Hopkins — Hubbard — Ianno — Iftody — Jackson — Jacob — Keyes — Kilger (Stormont–Dundas) — Kirkby — Knutson — Kraft Sloan — Langlois — Laurin — Lavigne (Verdun–Saint-Paul) — Lebel — Lee — Leroux (Richmond–Wolfe) — Leroux (Shefford) — Lincoln — Loubier — MacLellan (Cape Breton–The Sydneys) — Malhi — Maloney — Manley — Marchand — Marchi — Marleau — Martin (LaSalle–Émard) — Massé — McGuire — McLellan (Edmonton Northwest) — McTeague — Ménard — Mercier — Mitchell — Murphy — Murray — Nault — Nunez — O’Reilly — Pagtakhan — Paradis — Paré — Peric — Peters — Peterson — Pettigrew — Picard (Drummond) — Pillitteri — Plamondon — Pomerleau — Proud — Reed — Regan — Richardson — Rideout — Robichaud — Robillard — Sauvageau — Scott (Fredericton–York–Sunbury) — Serré — Shepherd — Sheridan — Speller — St. Denis — Szabo — Telegdi — Torsney — Tremblay (Lac Saint-Jean) — Tremblay (Rimouski–Témiscouata) — Valeri — Wappel — Wells — Whelan — Wood — Young — Zed --151

Paired Members — Députés « Pairés »

Brien — Calder — Chamberlain — Collins — Dubé — Duceppe — Duhamel — English — Fry — Gagnon (Québec) — Goodale — Guay — Guimond — Lalonde — Landry — Lefebvre — McKinnon — Patry — Rocheleau — Steckle — Vanclief — Venne

The House resumed consideration of the motion of Mr. Williams (St. Albert), seconded by Mr. Silye (Calgary Centre), — That the 3rd Report of the Standing Committee on Public Accounts, presented on Monday, October 28, 1996, be concurred in.

Mr. Zed (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons), seconded by Mr. Kilger (Stormont–Dundas), moved, — That the House do now proceed to the Orders of the Day.

The question was put on the motion and it was agreed to on the following division:

(Division — Vote No 274)

Yeas — Pour

Members — Députés

Arseneault — Assad — Axworthy (Winnipeg South Centre) — Barnes — Bellemare — Bertrand — Bethel — Bevilacqua — Blondin-Andrew — Bodnar — Bonin — Boudria — Brown (Oakville–Milton) — Brushett — Bryden — Campbell — Cannis — Catterall — Cauchon — Chan — Chrétien (Saint-Maurice) — Clancy — Cohen — Collenette — Comuzzi — Cowling — Culbert — DeVillers — Dingwall — Discepola — Dupuy — Fewchuk — Finlay — Flis — Fontana — Gagliano — Gagnon (Bonaventure–Îles-de-la-Madeleine) — Gallaway — Gerrard — Graham — Grose — Guarnieri — Harb — Harvard — Hopkins — Irwin — Jackson — Keyes — Kilger (Stormont–Dundas) — Kirkby — Kraft Sloan — Lee — MacLellan (Cape Breton–The Sydneys) — Manley — Massé — McGuire — McLellan (Edmonton Northwest) — Murray — Nault — O’Brien (London–Middlesex) — O’Reilly — Pagtakhan — Peric — Peters — Peterson — Pettigrew — Pillitteri — Proud — Reed — Regan — Richardson — Rideout — Robichaud — Robillard — Serré — Shepherd — Sheridan — Simmons — Speller — St. Denis — Szabo — Telegdi — Valeri — Volpe — Walker — Wappel — Wells — Whelan — Wood — Young — Zed --91

Nays — Contre

Members — Députés

Althouse — Blaikie — Cummins — Epp — Frazer — Gilmour — Grubel — Hanger — Harper (Simcoe Centre) — Hart — Martin (Esquimalt–Juan de Fuca) — Mayfield — Meredith — Morrison — Schmidt — Solberg — Speaker — Thompson — White (North Vancouver) — Williams --20

Paired Members — Députés « Pairés »

Brien — Calder — Chamberlain — Collins — Dubé — Duceppe — Duhamel — English — Fry — Gagnon (Québec) — Goodale — Guay — Guimond — Lalonde — Landry — Lefebvre — McKinnon — Patry — Rocheleau — Steckle — Vanclief — Venne

Government Orders

At 5:40 p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 45, the House resumed consideration of the motion of Mr. Martin (Minister of Finance), seconded by Mr. Gray (Leader of the Government in the House of Commons and Solicitor General of Canada), — That this House approves in general the budgetary policy of the Government. (Ways and Means Proceedings No. 15)

The House proceeded to the taking of the deferred recorded division on the amendment of Mr. Loubier (Saint-Hyacinthe–Bagot), seconded by Mr. Pomerleau (Anjou–Rivière-des-Prairies), — That the motion be amended by deleting all the words after the word “That” and substituting the following:

“the budget statement by the Minister of Finance be rejected by the House of Commons because it:
unilaterally maintains major reductions in transfer payments to the provinces in the fields of postsecondary education, health and social assistance, while intruding in areas of exclusive provincial jurisdiction, particularly by creating the Canada Foundation for Innovation from money earmarked for the provinces, introducing a national child tax benefit system, and setting up pilot projects filled with national unity propaganda in the field of health and social programs;
proposes no tangible job creation measures, does not substantially reduce Unemployment Insurance contribution rates, or improve protection for unemployed persons, which has been greatly reduced by Employment Insurance;
conceals its lack of action in creating jobs and fighting poverty, knowingly reducing effectiveness in these areas and distributing electoral gifts around Canada and Quebec;
does not include an in-depth reform of the tax treatment of businesses or individuals, for example, by maintaining benefits for large corporations and rich Canadians; and
introduces no measures to compensate the Quebec government for the 1991 harmonization of its sales tax with the federal GST, although Quebec would be eligible for this compensation in light of the $1 billion being paid to the maritime provinces.”

The question was put on the amendment and it was negatived on the following division:

(Division — Vote No 275)

Yeas — Pour

Members — Députés

Bachand — Bélisle — Bellehumeur — Bergeron — Bernier (Gaspé) — Bernier (Mégantic–Compton–Stanstead) — Canuel — Chrétien (Frontenac) — Crête — Dalphond-Guiral — Daviault — de Savoye — Debien — Dumas — Fillion — Gauthier — Godin — Jacob — Langlois — Laurin — Lebel — Leroux (Richmond–Wolfe) — Leroux (Shefford) — Loubier — Ménard — Mercier — Nunez — Paré — Picard (Drummond) — Plamondon — Pomerleau — Sauvageau — Tremblay (Lac Saint-Jean) — Tremblay (Rimouski–Témiscouata) --34

Nays — Contre

Members — Députés

Alcock — Arseneault — Assad — Augustine — Axworthy (Winnipeg South Centre) — Bakopanos — Barnes — Bélanger — Bellemare — Bertrand — Bethel — Bevilacqua — Bhaduria — Blondin-Andrew — Bodnar — Bonin — Brown (Oakville–Milton) — Brushett — Bryden — Campbell — Cannis — Catterall — Cauchon — Clancy — Cohen — Collenette — Comuzzi — Copps — Cowling — Culbert — Cullen — Cummins — DeVillers — Dingwall — Discepola — Dupuy — Epp — Fewchuk — Finestone — Finlay — Flis — Fontana — Gagliano — Gagnon (Bonaventure–Îles-de-la-Madeleine) — Gallaway — Gerrard — Godfrey — Graham — Grubel — Guarnieri — Hanger — Harb — Harper (Simcoe Centre) — Hart — Harvard — Hickey — Hopkins — Hubbard — Iftody — Irwin — Jackson — Keyes — Kilger (Stormont–Dundas) — Kirkby — Knutson — Kraft Sloan — Lavigne (Verdun–Saint-Paul) — Lee — Lincoln — MacLellan (Cape Breton–The Sydneys) — Malhi — Maloney — Marchi — Marleau — Martin (Esquimalt–Juan de Fuca) — Massé — Mayfield — McCormick — McGuire — McLellan (Edmonton Northwest) — McTeague — Meredith — Mitchell — Morrison — Murphy — Murray — Nault — O’Brien (London–Middlesex) — O’Reilly — Pagtakhan — Peric — Peters — Peterson — Pettigrew — Pillitteri — Proud — Reed — Regan — Richardson — Rideout — Robichaud — Robillard — Schmidt — Scott (Fredericton–York–Sunbury) — Serré — Shepherd — Sheridan — Simmons — Solberg — Speaker — Speller — St. Denis — Szabo — Telegdi — Thompson — Torsney — Valeri — Volpe — Walker — Wappel — Wells — Whelan — White (North Vancouver) — Williams — Wood — Young — Zed --127

Paired Members — Députés « Pairés »

Brien — Calder — Chamberlain — Collins — Dubé — Duceppe — Duhamel — English — Fry — Gagnon (Québec) — Goodale — Guay — Guimond — Lalonde — Landry — Lefebvre — McKinnon — Patry — Rocheleau — Steckle — Vanclief — Venne

Messages from the Senate

A Message was received from the Senate informing this House that the Senate has passed Bill S–15, An Act to amend An Act to incorporate the Bishop of the Arctic of the Church of England in Canada, to which the concurrence of the House is desired.

Pursuant to Standing Order 135(2), the Bill was deemed to have been read the first time and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of the House.

Private Members’ Business

At 5:59 p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 30(7), the House proceeded to the consideration of Private Members’ Business.

Pursuant to Order made Tuesday, March 18, 1997, the Order was read for the consideration at report stage of Bill C–300, An Act respecting the establishment and award of a Canadian Peacekeeping Service Medal for Canadians who have served with an international peacekeeping mission, as reported by the Standing Committee on National Defence and Veterans Affairs with amendments.

Mr. Frazer (Saanich–Gulf Islands), seconded by Mr. Hanger (Calgary Northeast), moved, — That the Bill, as amended, be concurred in at report stage.

Pursuant to Order made Tuesday, March 18, 1997, the question was deemed to have been put on the motion and agreed to.

Accordingly, the Bill, as amended, was concurred in at report stage.

Pursuant to Standing Order 76.1(11), Mr. Frazer (Saanich–Gulf Islands), seconded by Mr. Hanger (Calgary Northeast), moved, — That the Bill be now read a third time and do pass.

Debate arose thereon.

Pursuant to Order made Tuesday, March 18, 1997, the question was deemed to have been put on the motion and agreed to.

Accordingly, the Bill was read the third time and passed.

At 6:11 p.m., the House resumed consideration of the motion of Miss Grey (Beaver River), seconded by Mrs. Ablonczy (Calgary North), — That, in the opinion of this House, the government should return the word “Canadian” among questions of ethnic origin on the Canadian Census;

And of the amendment of Mr. Langlois (Bellechasse), seconded by Mrs. Venne (Saint-Hubert), — That the motion be amended by replacing all the words after the word “should” with the following:

“include ‘Canadian’, ‘Quebecker’, ‘English-Canadian’, ‘French-Canadian’ and ‘Acadian’ among questions of ethnic origin on the Canadian Census.”

The debate continued.

At 6:55 p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 93, the Speaker interrupted the proceedings.

Pursuant to Order made Tuesday, March 18, 1997, the question was deemed to have been put on the amendment and a recorded division was deemed to have been requested and deferred to Monday, April 7, 1997, at the expiry of the time provided for Government Orders.

Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House

Pursuant to Standing Order 32(1), papers deposited with the Clerk of the House were laid upon the Table as follows:

by Mr. Irwin (Minister of Indian Affairs and Northern Development) — Statutes of the Northwest Territories for the year 1996, pursuant to the Northwest Territories Act, R. S. 1985, c. N–27, sbs. 21(1). — Sessional Paper No. 8560-352-388D. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(5), permanently referred to the Standing Committee on Aboriginal Affairs and Northern Development)

by Mr. Pettigrew (Minister of Human Resources Development) — Copy of Order in Council P.C. 1997-296, dated March 4, 1997, concerning the Agreement on Social Security between the Government of Canada and the Government of the Republic of Chile, pursuant to the Old Age Security Act, R. S. 1985, c. O-9, sbs. 42(1). — Sessional Paper No. 8560-352-212E. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(5), permanently referred to the Standing Committee on Human Resources Development)

Petitions Filed with the Clerk of the House

Pursuant to Standing Order 36, a petition certified correct by the Clerk of Petitions was filed as follows:

  • by Mr. Godfrey (Don Valley West), concerning nuclear weapons (No. 352-1954).

Adjournment

At 6:55 p.m., the Speaker adjourned the House until tomorrow at 10:00 a.m., pursuant to Standing Order 24(1).