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House of Commons of Canada
35th Parliament, 2nd Session

Journals

No. 145
Monday, March 17, 1997
11:00 a.m.

Prayers

Private Members’ Business

At 11:00 a.m., pursuant to Standing Order 30(6), the House proceeded to the consideration of Private Members’ Business.

Item No. 1 in the order of precedence, standing on the Order Paper in the name of Mr. White (North Vancouver), was called and, not having been proceeded with, was dropped to the bottom of the order of precedence, pursuant to Standing Order 42(2).

Interruption

At 11:18 a.m., the sitting was suspended.

At 12:02 p.m., the sitting resumed.

Government Orders

The Order was read for the consideration of an amendment made by the Senate to Bill C–70, An Act to amend the Excise Tax Act, the Federal-Provincial Fiscal Arrangements Act, the Income Tax Act, the Debt Servicing and Reduction Account Act and related Acts.

Mr. Dingwall (Minister of Health) for Mr. Martin (Minister of Finance), seconded by Mr. Marchi (Minister of the Environment), moved, — That the amendment made by the Senate to Bill C–70, An Act to amend the Excise Tax Act, the Federal-Provincial Fiscal Arrangements Act, the Income Tax Act, the Debt Servicing and Reduction Account Act and related Acts, be now read a second time and concurred in; but

That this House, while disapproving of any infraction of its privileges or rights by the other House, in this case waives its claim to insist upon such rights and privileges, but the waiver of said rights and privileges is not to be drawn into a precedent; and

That a Message be sent to the Senate to acquaint Their Honours therewith.

Debate arose thereon.

Mr. Solberg (Medicine Hat), seconded by Mr. Strahl (Fraser Valley East), moved the following amendment, — That the motion be amended in the first paragraph by deleting all the words after the word “That” and substituting the following:

 
“this House agrees with the principle set out in the amendment made by the Senate to Bill C–70, An Act to amend the Excise Tax Act, the Federal-Provincial Fiscal Arrangements Act, the Income Tax Act, the Debt Servicing and Reduction Account Act and related Acts, but would propose that the amendment be amended to read as follows:
Pages 334 and 335, clause 242: Replace lines 40 to 45 on page 334 and lines 1 to 4 on page 335 with the following:
“Subsection (1) comes into force on a day fixed by order of the Governor in Council, which day shall not be before the first day on which all provinces have enacted laws requiring that suppliers include the tax under Part IX of the Act in indications of the prices of property or services supplied.””

Statements by Members

Pursuant to Standing Order 31, Members made statements.

Oral Questions

Pursuant to Standing Order 30(5), the House proceeded to Oral Questions.

Daily Routine of Business

Tabling of Documents

Pursuant to Standing Order 32(2), Mr. Zed (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons) laid upon the Table, — Government responses, pursuant to Standing Order 36(8), to the following petitions:

  1. No. 352-1798 concerning the appointment of justices. — Sessional Paper No. 8545-352-109F;
  2. No. 352-1806 concerning profits from crime. — Sessional Paper No. 8545-352-97Q;
  3. No. 352-1810 concerning sexual orientation. — Sessional Paper No. 8545-352-45CC.

Introduction of Private Members’ Bills

Pursuant to Standing Orders 68(2) and 69(1), on motion of Mr. Abbott (Kootenay East), seconded by Mr. Hanger (Calgary Northeast), Bill C–386, An Act to amend the Criminal Code (probation order), was introduced, read the first time, ordered to be printed and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of the House.

Pursuant to Standing Orders 68(2) and 69(1), on motion of Mr. Abbott (Kootenay East), seconded by Mr. Hanger (Calgary Northeast), Bill C–387, An Act to require that in the advertising and at the opening of a cultural project supported by public money a public acknowledgement of the grant be made, was introduced, read the first time, ordered to be printed and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of the House.

Presenting Petitions

Pursuant to Standing Order 36, petitions certified correct by the Clerk of Petitions were presented as follows:

  • by Mr. Harb (Ottawa Centre), one concerning the highway system (No. 352-1927);
  • by Mr. Hanger (Calgary Northeast), seven concerning sex offenders (Nos. 352-1928 to 352-1934) and one concerning refugees and immigrants convicted of a crime (No. 352-1935);
  • by Ms. McLaughlin (Yukon), one concerning taxes on books (No. 352-1936);
  • by Mr. Steckle (Huron–Bruce), one concerning police and firefighters’ death benefits (No. 352-1937);
  • by Mr. Scott (Fredericton–York–Sunbury), one concerning sexual abuse of children (No. 352-1938), one concerning taxes on books (No. 352-1939) and two concerning the Controlled Drugs and Substances Act (Nos. 352-1940 and 352-1941);
  • by Mr. McGuire (Egmont), one concerning the highway system (No. 352-1942);
  • by Mr. Szabo (Mississauga South), one concerning police and firefighters’ death benefits (No. 352-1943) and one concerning the income tax system (No. 352-1944);
  • by Mr. Abbott (Kootenay East), one concerning federal electoral districts (No. 352-1945);
  • by Mr. Mitchell (Parry Sound–Muskoka), one concerning the nuclear industry (No. 352-1946);
  • by Mr. Flis (Parkdale–High Park), one concerning NATO (No. 352-1947).

Government Orders

The Order was read for the second reading and reference to the Standing Committee on Finance of Bill C–82, An Act to amend certain laws relating to financial institutions.

Mr. Peters (Secretary of State (International Financial Institutions)) for Mr. Martin (Minister of Finance), seconded by Mr. Anderson (Minister of Transport), moved, — That the Bill be now read a second time and referred to the Standing Committee on Finance.

Debate arose thereon.

Quorum

The attention of the Speaker was drawn to the lack of a quorum and, fewer than 20 Members having been counted, pursuant to Standing Order 29(3), the bells were rung to call in the Members.

After one minute, a quorum was found.

Government Orders

The House resumed consideration of the motion of Mr. Martin (Minister of Finance), seconded by Mr. Anderson (Minister of Transport), — That Bill C–82, An Act to amend certain laws relating to financial institutions, be now read a second time and referred to the Standing Committee on Finance.

The debate continued.

Mr. Silye (Calgary Centre), seconded by Mr. Breitkreuz (Yorkton–Melville), moved the following amendment, — That the motion be amended by deleting all the words after the word “That” and substituting the following:

“Bill C–82, An Act to amend certain laws relating to financial institutions, be not now read a second time, but that the Order be discharged, the Bill withdrawn and the subject-matter thereof referred to the Standing Committee on Industry.”

Debate arose thereon.

At 6:30 p.m., pursuant to Order made Wednesday, March 12, 1997, the House proceeded to the taking of the deferred recorded division on the motion of Mr. Gagliano (Minister of Labour and Deputy Leader of the Government in the House of Commons), seconded by Mr. MacAulay (Secretary of State (Veterans) (Atlantic Canada Opportunities Agency)), — That, in relation to Bill C–66, An Act to amend the Canada Labour Code (Part I) and the Corporations and Labour Unions Returns Act and to make consequential amendments to other Acts, not more than one further sitting day shall be allotted to the consideration of the third reading stage of the Bill; and

That fifteen minutes before the expiry of the time provided for Government Business on the day allotted to the consideration of the third reading stage of the said Bill, any proceedings before the House shall be interrupted, if required for the purpose of this Order, and, in turn, every question necessary for the disposal of the said stage of the Bill shall be put forthwith and successively, without further debate or amendment.

The question was put on the motion and it was agreed to on the following division:

(Division — Vote No 260)

Yeas — Pour

Members — Députés

Anderson — Arseneault — Assadourian — Augustine — Axworthy (Winnipeg South Centre) — Barnes — Beaumier — Bélair — Bélanger — Bellemare — Bethel — Bhaduria — Bodnar — Bonin — Brushett — Caccia — Campbell — Catterall — Cauchon — Chamberlain — Cohen — Collenette — Copps — Culbert — Cullen — DeVillers — Dingwall — Dion — Dromisky — Duhamel — Dupuy — English — Fewchuk — Finestone — Flis — Fontana — Fry — Gaffney — Gagliano — Gallaway — Gerrard — Godfrey — Graham — Grose — Guarnieri — Harb — Harper (Churchill) — Harvard — Hickey — Hopkins — Hubbard — Ianno — Iftody — Irwin — Jackson — Jordan — Kilger (Stormont–Dundas) — Kirkby — Knutson — Kraft Sloan — Lee — Lincoln — MacLellan (Cape Breton–The Sydneys) — Malhi — Maloney — Marchi — Massé — McCormick — McGuire — McTeague — McWhinney — Minna — Mitchell — Murphy — Murray — Nault — O’Reilly — Pagtakhan — Parrish — Patry — Peric — Peterson — Phinney — Pickard (Essex–Kent) — Pillitteri — Proud — Reed — Regan — Richardson — Robichaud — Scott (Fredericton–York–Sunbury) — Serré — Sheridan — Simmons — Steckle — Stewart (Brant) — Szabo — Thalheimer — Torsney — Valeri — Verran — Walker — Whelan — Wood — Zed --105

Nays — Contre

Members — Députés

Abbott — Althouse — Asselin — Bélisle — Bellehumeur — Bergeron — Bernier (Gaspé) — Bernier (Mégantic–Compton–Stanstead) — Blaikie — Breitkreuz (Yorkton–Melville) — Chrétien (Frontenac) — Crête — Cummins — Dalphond-Guiral — de Jong — de Savoye — Debien — Deshaies — Dumas — Epp — Fillion — Forseth — Frazer — Gouk — Grey (Beaver River) — Grubel — Guay — Guimond — Hanger — Harper (Simcoe Centre) — Hart — Hill (Macleod) — Jacob — Lalonde — Landry — Langlois — Laurin — Lebel — Leroux (Richmond–Wolfe) — Leroux (Shefford) — Mayfield — McClelland (Edmonton Southwest) — McLaughlin — Meredith — Morrison — Nunez — Plamondon — Pomerleau — Rocheleau — Sauvageau — Silye — Speaker — Strahl — Tremblay (Rimouski–Témiscouata) — Venne — Wayne — White (North Vancouver) — Williams --58

Paired Members — Députés « Pairés »

Bakopanos — Boudria — Brien — Brown (Oakville–Milton) — Calder — Collins — Daviault — Dubé — Duceppe — Easter — Gagnon (Québec) — Goodale — Lastewka — LeBlanc (Cape Breton Highlands–Canso) — Lefebvre — Loubier — McKinnon — Ménard — Mercier — Paré — Picard (Drummond) — Tremblay (Rosemont) — Ur — Vanclief

Pursuant to Standing Order 45, the House proceeded to the taking of the deferred recorded divisions at report stage of Bill C–32, An Act to amend the Copyright Act, as reported by the Standing Committee on Canadian Heritage with amendments.

Group No. 1

The House proceeded to the taking of the deferred recorded division on Motion No. 1 of Mr. Arseneault (Parliamentary Secretary to the Deputy Prime Minister and Minister of Canadian Heritage), seconded by Mr. Bélanger (Ottawa–Vanier), — That Bill C–32, in Clause 1, be amended by replacing, in the English version, lines 23 to 25 on page 2 with the following:

“wise include a copy made with the consent of the owner of the copyright in the country where the copy was made;”

The question was put on Motion No. 1 and it was agreed to on the following division:

(Division — Vote No 261)

Yeas — Pour

Members — Députés

Althouse — Anderson — Arseneault — Assadourian — Asselin — Augustine — Axworthy (Winnipeg South Centre) — Barnes — Beaumier — Bélair — Bélanger — Bélisle — Bellehumeur — Bellemare — Bergeron — Bernier (Gaspé) — Bernier (Mégantic–Compton–Stanstead) — Bethel — Bhaduria — Blaikie — Blondin-Andrew — Bodnar — Bonin — Brushett — Caccia — Campbell — Catterall — Cauchon — Chamberlain — Chrétien (Frontenac) — Cohen — Collenette — Copps — Crête — Culbert — Cullen — Dalphond-Guiral — de Jong — de Savoye — Debien — Deshaies — DeVillers — Dingwall — Dion — Dromisky — Duhamel — Dumas — Dupuy — English — Fewchuk — Fillion — Finestone — Flis — Fontana — Fry — Gaffney — Gagliano — Gallaway — Gerrard — Godfrey — Graham — Grose — Guarnieri — Guay — Guimond — Harb — Harper (Churchill) — Harvard — Hickey — Hopkins — Hubbard — Ianno — Iftody — Irwin — Jackson — Jacob — Jordan — Kilger (Stormont–Dundas) — Kirkby — Knutson — Kraft Sloan — Lalonde — Landry — Langlois — Laurin — Lebel — Lee — Leroux (Richmond–Wolfe) — Leroux (Shefford) — Lincoln — MacLellan (Cape Breton–The Sydneys) — Malhi — Maloney — Marchi — Massé — McCormick — McGuire — McLaughlin — McTeague — McWhinney — Minna — Mitchell — Murphy — Murray — Nault — Nunez — O’Reilly — Pagtakhan — Parrish — Patry — Peric — Peterson — Phinney — Pickard (Essex–Kent) — Pillitteri — Plamondon — Pomerleau — Proud — Reed — Regan — Richardson — Robichaud — Rocheleau — Sauvageau — Scott (Fredericton–York–Sunbury) — Serré — Sheridan — Simmons — Steckle — Stewart (Brant) — Szabo — Telegdi — Thalheimer — Torsney — Tremblay (Rimouski–Témiscouata) — Valeri — Venne — Verran — Walker — Whelan — Wood — Zed --142

Nays — Contre

Members — Députés

Abbott — Breitkreuz (Yorkton–Melville) — Cummins — Epp — Forseth — Frazer — Gouk — Grey (Beaver River) — Grubel — Hanger — Harper (Simcoe Centre) — Hart — Hill (Macleod) — Mayfield — McClelland (Edmonton Southwest) — Meredith — Morrison — Silye — Speaker — Strahl — Wayne — White (North Vancouver) — Williams --23

Paired Members — Députés « Pairés »

Bakopanos — Boudria — Brien — Brown (Oakville–Milton) — Calder — Collins — Daviault — Dubé — Duceppe — Easter — Gagnon (Québec) — Goodale — Lastewka — LeBlanc (Cape Breton Highlands–Canso) — Lefebvre — Loubier — McKinnon — Ménard — Mercier — Paré — Picard (Drummond) — Tremblay (Rosemont) — Ur — Vanclief

Accordingly, Motions Nos. 8, 9, 10, 11, 39, 42, 43 and 46 were also agreed to on the same division.

The House proceeded to the taking of the deferred recorded division on Motion No. 48 of Mr. Abbott (Kootenay East), seconded by Mr. Strahl (Fraser Valley East), — That Bill C–32, in Clause 45, be amended by deleting lines 17 to 43 on page 71 and lines 1 to 37 on page 72.

The question was put on Motion No. 48 and it was negatived on the following division:

(Division — Vote No 262)

Yeas — Pour

Members — Députés

Abbott — Breitkreuz (Yorkton–Melville) — Cummins — Epp — Forseth — Frazer — Gouk — Grey (Beaver River) — Grubel — Hanger — Harper (Simcoe Centre) — Hart — Hill (Macleod) — Mayfield — McClelland (Edmonton Southwest) — Meredith — Morrison — Silye — Speaker — Strahl — Wayne — White (North Vancouver) — Williams --23

Nays — Contre

Members — Députés

Althouse — Anderson — Arseneault — Assadourian — Asselin — Augustine — Axworthy (Winnipeg South Centre) — Barnes — Beaumier — Bélair — Bélanger — Bélisle — Bellehumeur — Bellemare — Bergeron — Bernier (Gaspé) — Bernier (Mégantic–Compton–Stanstead) — Bethel — Bhaduria — Blaikie — Blondin-Andrew — Bodnar — Bonin — Brushett — Caccia — Campbell — Catterall — Cauchon — Chamberlain — Chrétien (Frontenac) — Cohen — Collenette — Copps — Crête — Culbert — Cullen — Dalphond-Guiral — de Jong — de Savoye — Debien — Deshaies — DeVillers — Dingwall — Dion — Dromisky — Duhamel — Dumas — Dupuy — English — Fewchuk — Fillion — Finestone — Flis — Fontana — Fry — Gaffney — Gagliano — Gallaway — Gerrard — Godfrey — Graham — Grose — Guarnieri — Guay — Guimond — Harb — Harper (Churchill) — Harvard — Hickey — Hopkins — Hubbard — Ianno — Iftody — Irwin — Jackson — Jacob — Jordan — Kilger (Stormont–Dundas) — Kirkby — Knutson — Kraft Sloan — Lalonde — Landry — Langlois — Laurin — Lebel — Lee — Leroux (Richmond–Wolfe) — Leroux (Shefford) — Lincoln — MacLellan (Cape Breton–The Sydneys) — Malhi — Maloney — Marchi — Massé — McCormick — McGuire — McLaughlin — McTeague — McWhinney — Minna — Mitchell — Murphy — Murray — Nault — Nunez — O’Reilly — Pagtakhan — Parrish — Patry — Peric — Peterson — Phinney — Pickard (Essex–Kent) — Pillitteri — Plamondon — Pomerleau — Proud — Reed — Regan — Richardson — Robichaud — Rocheleau — Sauvageau — Scott (Fredericton–York–Sunbury) — Serré — Sheridan — Simmons — Steckle — Stewart (Brant) — Szabo — Telegdi — Thalheimer — Torsney — Tremblay (Rimouski–Témiscouata) — Valeri — Venne — Verran — Walker — Whelan — Wood — Zed --142

Paired Members — Députés « Pairés »

Bakopanos — Boudria — Brien — Brown (Oakville–Milton) — Calder — Collins — Daviault — Dubé — Duceppe — Easter — Gagnon (Québec) — Goodale — Lastewka — LeBlanc (Cape Breton Highlands–Canso) — Lefebvre — Loubier — McKinnon — Ménard — Mercier — Paré — Picard (Drummond) — Tremblay (Rosemont) — Ur — Vanclief

The House proceeded to the putting of the question on Motion No. 49 of Mr. Arseneault (Parliamentary Secretary to the Deputy Prime Minister and Minister of Canadian Heritage), seconded by Mr. Bélanger (Ottawa–Vanier), — That Bill C–32, in Clause 45, be amended by replacing, in the English version, line 6 on page 72 with the following:

“royalties, in respect of each of the first three”

The question was put on Motion No. 49 and it was agreed to on the following division:

YEAS: 142, NAYS: 23. (See list under Division No. 261)

Group No. 2

The House proceeded to the taking of the deferred recorded division on Motion No. 5 of Mr. Abbott (Kootenay East), seconded by Mr. Strahl (Fraser Valley East), — That Bill C–32, in Clause 14, be amended by deleting lines 3 to 38 on page 16, 1 to 48 on page 17, 1 to 43 on page 18, 1 to 40 on.page 19, 1 to 44 on page 20, 1 to 14 on page 21, 6 to 45 on page 22, 1 to 44 on page 23, 1 to 40 on page 24, 1 to 44 on page 25 and 1 to 16 on page 26.

The question was put on Motion No. 5 and it was negatived on the following division:

YEAS: 23, NAYS: 142. (See list under Division No. 262)

Accordingly, Motions Nos. 2, 3, 50, 51 and 52 were also negatived on the same division.

Group No. 3

The House proceeded to the taking of the deferred recorded division on Motion No. 4 of Mr. Leroux (Richmond–Wolfe), seconded by Mrs. Tremblay (Rimouski–Témiscouata), — That Bill C–32, in Clause 10, be amended by replacing lines 33 to 41 on page 14 with the following:

 
“(2)
A person who for private and domestic purposes commissions the taking of a photograph or the making of a film has, where copyright subsists in the resulting work, the right not to have
(a)
copies of the work issued to the public,
(b)
the work exhibited or shown in public, or
(c)
the work broadcast or included in a cable programme service,
and a person who does or authorizes the doing of any of those acts, without the consent of the person who commissions the photograph or film, infringes that right.”

The question was put on Motion No. 4 and it was negatived on the following division:

(Division — Vote No 263)

Yeas — Pour

Members — Députés

Althouse — Asselin — Bélisle — Bellehumeur — Bergeron — Bernier (Gaspé) — Bernier (Mégantic–Compton–Stanstead) — Blaikie — Chrétien (Frontenac) — Crête — Dalphond-Guiral — de Jong — de Savoye — Debien — Deshaies — Dumas — Fillion — Guay — Guimond — Jacob — Lalonde — Landry — Langlois — Laurin — Lebel — Leroux (Richmond–Wolfe) — Leroux (Shefford) — McLaughlin — Nunez — Plamondon — Pomerleau — Rocheleau — Sauvageau — Silye — Tremblay (Rimouski–Témiscouata) — Venne --36

Nays — Contre

Members — Députés

Abbott — Anderson — Arseneault — Assadourian — Augustine — Axworthy (Winnipeg South Centre) — Barnes — Beaumier — Bélair — Bélanger — Bellemare — Bethel — Bhaduria — Blondin-Andrew — Bodnar — Bonin — Breitkreuz (Yorkton–Melville) — Brushett — Caccia — Campbell — Catterall — Cauchon — Chamberlain — Cohen — Collenette — Copps — Culbert — Cullen — Cummins — DeVillers — Dingwall — Dion — Dromisky — Duhamel — Dupuy — English — Epp — Fewchuk — Finestone — Flis — Fontana — Forseth — Frazer — Fry — Gaffney — Gagliano — Gallaway — Gerrard — Godfrey — Gouk — Graham — Grey (Beaver River) — Grose — Grubel — Guarnieri — Hanger — Harb — Harper (Churchill) — Harper (Simcoe Centre) — Hart — Harvard — Hickey — Hill (Macleod) — Hopkins — Hubbard — Ianno — Iftody — Irwin — Jackson — Jordan — Kilger (Stormont–Dundas) — Kirkby — Knutson — Kraft Sloan — Lee — Lincoln — MacLellan (Cape Breton–The Sydneys) — Malhi — Maloney — Marchi — Massé — Mayfield — McClelland (Edmonton Southwest) — McCormick — McGuire — McTeague — McWhinney — Meredith — Minna — Mitchell — Morrison — Murphy — Murray — Nault — O’Reilly — Pagtakhan — Parrish — Patry — Peric — Peterson — Phinney — Pickard (Essex–Kent) — Pillitteri — Proud — Reed — Regan — Richardson — Robichaud — Scott (Fredericton–York–Sunbury) — Serré — Sheridan — Simmons — Speaker — Steckle — Stewart (Brant) — Strahl — Szabo — Telegdi — Thalheimer — Torsney — Valeri — Verran — Walker — Wayne — Whelan — White (North Vancouver) — Williams — Wood — Zed --129

Paired Members — Députés « Pairés »

Bakopanos — Boudria — Brien — Brown (Oakville–Milton) — Calder — Collins — Daviault — Dubé — Duceppe — Easter — Gagnon (Québec) — Goodale — Lastewka — LeBlanc (Cape Breton Highlands–Canso) — Lefebvre — Loubier — McKinnon — Ménard — Mercier — Paré — Picard (Drummond) — Tremblay (Rosemont) — Ur — Vanclief

Group No. 4

The House proceeded to the taking of the deferred recorded division on Motion No. 6 of Mr. Arseneault (Parliamentary Secretary to the Deputy Prime Minister and Minister of Canadian Heritage), seconded by Mr. Bélanger (Ottawa–Vanier), — That Bill C–32, in Clause 15, be amended by replacing

  1. line 29 on page 27 with the following:
    “27.1 (1) Subject to any regulations made under subsection (6), it is an”
  2. line 1 on page 28 with the following:
    “(2) Subject to any regulations made under subsection (6), where the”

The question was put on Motion No. 6 and it was agreed to on the following division:

YEAS: 142, NAYS: 23. (See list under Division No. 261)

The House proceeded to the taking of the deferred recorded division on Motion No. 44 of Mr. Abbott (Kootenay East), seconded by Mr. Strahl (Fraser Valley East), — That Bill C–32, in Clause 28, be amended by replacing lines 22 to 26 on page 62 with the following:

“where they were made, of any used books.”

The question was put on Motion No. 44 and it was negatived on the following division:

YEAS: 23, NAYS: 142. (See list under Division No. 262)

The House proceeded to the putting of the question on Motion No. 60 of Mr. Arseneault (Parliamentary Secretary to the Deputy Prime Minister and Minister of Canadian Heritage), seconded by Mr. Bélanger (Ottawa–Vanier), — That Bill C–32, in Clause 62, be amended by adding after line 18 on page 96 the following:

 
“(3)
Notwithstanding paragraph (1)(d), paragraph 45(1)(e) of the Copyright Act, as enacted by section 28 of this Act, shall be read as follows for the period beginning on June 30, 1996 and ending on the day that is sixty days after the day on which this Act is assented to:
(e)
to import copies, made with the consent of the owner of the copyright in the country where they were made, of any used books.”

The question was put on Motion No. 60 and it was agreed to on the following division:

(Division — Vote No 264)

Yeas — Pour

Members — Députés

Abbott — Althouse — Anderson — Arseneault — Assadourian — Asselin — Augustine — Axworthy (Winnipeg South Centre) — Barnes — Beaumier — Bélair — Bélanger — Bélisle — Bellehumeur — Bellemare — Bergeron — Bernier (Gaspé) — Bernier (Mégantic–Compton–Stanstead) — Bethel — Bhaduria — Blaikie — Blondin-Andrew — Bodnar — Bonin — Breitkreuz (Yorkton–Melville) — Brushett — Caccia — Campbell — Catterall — Cauchon — Chamberlain — Chrétien (Frontenac) — Cohen — Collenette — Copps — Crête — Culbert — Cullen — Cummins — Dalphond-Guiral — de Jong — de Savoye — Debien — Deshaies — DeVillers — Dingwall — Dion — Dromisky — Duhamel — Dumas — Dupuy — English — Epp — Fewchuk — Fillion — Finestone — Flis — Fontana — Forseth — Frazer — Fry — Gaffney — Gagliano — Gallaway — Gerrard — Godfrey — Gouk — Graham — Grey (Beaver River) — Grose — Grubel — Guarnieri — Guay — Guimond — Hanger — Harb — Harper (Churchill) — Harper (Simcoe Centre) — Hart — Harvard — Hickey — Hill (Macleod) — Hopkins — Hubbard — Ianno — Iftody — Irwin — Jackson — Jacob — Jordan — Kilger (Stormont–Dundas) — Kirkby — Knutson — Kraft Sloan — Lalonde — Landry — Langlois — Laurin — Lebel — Lee — Leroux (Richmond–Wolfe) — Leroux (Shefford) — Lincoln — MacLellan (Cape Breton–The Sydneys) — Malhi — Maloney — Marchi — Massé — Mayfield — McClelland (Edmonton Southwest) — McCormick — McGuire — McLaughlin — McTeague — McWhinney — Meredith — Minna — Mitchell — Morrison — Murphy — Murray — Nault — Nunez — O’Reilly — Pagtakhan — Parrish — Patry — Peric — Peterson — Phinney — Pickard (Essex–Kent) — Pillitteri — Plamondon — Pomerleau — Proud — Reed — Regan — Richardson — Robichaud — Rocheleau — Sauvageau — Scott (Fredericton–York–Sunbury) — Serré — Sheridan — Silye — Simmons — Speaker — Steckle — Stewart (Brant) — Strahl — Szabo — Telegdi — Thalheimer — Torsney — Tremblay (Rimouski–Témiscouata) — Valeri — Venne — Verran — Walker — Wayne — Whelan — White (North Vancouver) — Williams — Wood — Zed --165

Nays — Contre

Members — Députés

--0

Paired Members — Députés « Pairés »

Bakopanos — Boudria — Brien — Brown (Oakville–Milton) — Calder — Collins — Daviault — Dubé — Duceppe — Easter — Gagnon (Québec) — Goodale — Lastewka — LeBlanc (Cape Breton Highlands–Canso) — Lefebvre — Loubier — McKinnon — Ménard — Mercier — Paré — Picard (Drummond) — Tremblay (Rosemont) — Ur — Vanclief

Group No. 5

The House proceeded to the taking of the deferred recorded division on Motion No. 7 of Mr. Leroux (Richmond–Wolfe), seconded by Mr. Laurin (Joliette), — That Bill C–32, in Clause 18, be amended by adding after line 2 on page 30 the following:

“29.21.
Section 29.5, subsections 29.6(1), 29.7(1) and 29.7(3), section 30, subsections 30.2(1), (2) and (5) and section 30.5 do not apply in relation to works, performers’ performances, sound recordings or communication signals that form part of the repertoire of a collective society.”

The question was put on Motion No. 7 and it was negatived on the following division:

(Division — Vote No 265)

Yeas — Pour

Members — Députés

Althouse — Asselin — Bélisle — Bellehumeur — Bergeron — Bernier (Gaspé) — Bernier (Mégantic–Compton–Stanstead) — Blaikie — Chrétien (Frontenac) — Crête — Dalphond-Guiral — de Jong — de Savoye — Debien — Deshaies — Dumas — Fillion — Guay — Guimond — Jacob — Lalonde — Landry — Langlois — Laurin — Lebel — Leroux (Richmond–Wolfe) — Leroux (Shefford) — McLaughlin — Nunez — Plamondon — Pomerleau — Rocheleau — Sauvageau — Tremblay (Rimouski–Témiscouata) — Venne --35

Nays — Contre

Members — Députés

Abbott — Anderson — Arseneault — Assadourian — Augustine — Axworthy (Winnipeg South Centre) — Barnes — Beaumier — Bélair — Bélanger — Bellemare — Bethel — Bhaduria — Blondin-Andrew — Bodnar — Bonin — Breitkreuz (Yorkton–Melville) — Brushett — Caccia — Campbell — Catterall — Cauchon — Chamberlain — Cohen — Collenette — Copps — Culbert — Cullen — Cummins — DeVillers — Dingwall — Dion — Dromisky — Duhamel — Dupuy — English — Epp — Fewchuk — Finestone — Flis — Fontana — Forseth — Frazer — Fry — Gaffney — Gagliano — Gallaway — Gerrard — Godfrey — Gouk — Graham — Grey (Beaver River) — Grose — Grubel — Guarnieri — Hanger — Harb — Harper (Churchill) — Harper (Simcoe Centre) — Hart — Harvard — Hickey — Hill (Macleod) — Hopkins — Hubbard — Ianno — Iftody — Irwin — Jackson — Jordan — Kilger (Stormont–Dundas) — Kirkby — Knutson — Kraft Sloan — Lee — Lincoln — MacLellan (Cape Breton–The Sydneys) — Malhi — Maloney — Marchi — Massé — Mayfield — McClelland (Edmonton Southwest) — McCormick — McGuire — McTeague — McWhinney — Meredith — Minna — Mitchell — Morrison — Murphy — Murray — Nault — O’Reilly — Pagtakhan — Parrish — Patry — Peric — Peterson — Phinney — Pickard (Essex–Kent) — Pillitteri — Proud — Reed — Regan — Richardson — Robichaud — Scott (Fredericton–York–Sunbury) — Serré — Sheridan — Silye — Simmons — Speaker — Steckle — Stewart (Brant) — Strahl — Szabo — Telegdi — Thalheimer — Torsney — Valeri — Verran — Walker — Wayne — Whelan — White (North Vancouver) — Williams — Wood — Zed --130

Paired Members — Députés « Pairés »

Bakopanos — Boudria — Brien — Brown (Oakville–Milton) — Calder — Collins — Daviault — Dubé — Duceppe — Easter — Gagnon (Québec) — Goodale — Lastewka — LeBlanc (Cape Breton Highlands–Canso) — Lefebvre — Loubier — McKinnon — Ménard — Mercier — Paré — Picard (Drummond) — Tremblay (Rosemont) — Ur — Vanclief

The House proceeded to the taking of the deferred recorded division on Motion No. 54 of Mr. Leroux (Richmond–Wolfe), seconded by Mr. Laurin (Joliette), — That Bill C–32, in Clause 50, be amended by adding after line 32 on page 81 the following:

“77.1.
(1)
Notwithstanding section 77, where the act for which a licence is being sought is administered by a collective society referred to in section 70.1,
(a)
the application shall be made to the collective society;
(b)
the collective society shall determine whether the conditions set out in subsection 77(1) have been met;
(c)
the collective society shall have the power to issue a licence; and
(d)
the terms of the licence issued by the collective society shall not be more onerous than those set out in the society’s licensing scheme.
(2)
Where the applicant and the collective society are unable to agree on the royalties to be paid for the right to do the act or on their related terms and conditions, either of them may apply to the Board to fix the royalties and their related terms and conditions pursuant to subsection 70.2(1).
(3)
Subsections 77(2), (3) and (4) apply, with such modifications as the circumstances require, to applications made pursuant to subsection (1).”

The question was put on Motion No. 54 and it was negatived on the following division:

YEAS: 35, NAYS: 130. (See list under Division No. 265)

The House proceeded to the taking of the deferred recorded division on Motion No. 57 of Mr. Leroux (Richmond–Wolfe), seconded by Mr. Laurin (Joliette), — That Bill C–32, in Clause 53.1, be amended by replacing lines 21 to 23 on page 93 with the following:

“53.1.
Notwithstanding subsection 67.1(2), section 70.13 and subsections 71(3) and 83(4) of the Copyright Act, as enacted by sections 45, 46 and 50 of this Act, the“

The question was put on Motion No. 57 and it was negatived on the following division:

YEAS: 35, NAYS: 130. (See list under Division No. 265)

Group No. 6

The House proceeded to the taking of the deferred recorded division on Motion No. 13 of Mr. Arseneault (Parliamentary Secretary to the Deputy Prime Minister and Minister of Canadian Heritage), seconded by Mr. Lincoln (Lachine–Lac Saint-Louis), — That Bill C–32, in Clause 18, be amended by replacing lines 10 to 23 on page 37 with the following:

 
“(5)
Where an archive requires the consent of the copyright owner to copy an unpublished work deposited in the archive before the coming into force of this section but is unable to locate the owner, the archive may copy the work in accordance with subsection (3).
  (6)
The archive must make a record of any copy made under subsection (5), and keep it available for public inspection, as prescribed.
  (7)
It is not an infringement of copyright for an archive to make a copy, in accordance with subsection (3), of any“

The question was put on Motion No. 13 and it was agreed to on the following division:

(Division — Vote No 266)

Yeas — Pour

Members — Députés

Althouse — Anderson — Arseneault — Assadourian — Augustine — Axworthy (Winnipeg South Centre) — Barnes — Beaumier — Bélair — Bélanger — Bellemare — Bethel — Bhaduria — Blaikie — Blondin-Andrew — Bodnar — Bonin — Brushett — Caccia — Campbell — Catterall — Cauchon — Chamberlain — Cohen — Collenette — Copps — Culbert — Cullen — de Jong — DeVillers — Dingwall — Dion — Dromisky — Duhamel — Dupuy — English — Fewchuk — Finestone — Flis — Fontana — Fry — Gaffney — Gagliano — Gallaway — Gerrard — Godfrey — Graham — Grose — Guarnieri — Harb — Harper (Churchill) — Harvard — Hickey — Hopkins — Hubbard — Ianno — Iftody — Irwin — Jackson — Jordan — Kilger (Stormont–Dundas) — Kirkby — Knutson — Kraft Sloan — Lee — Lincoln — MacLellan (Cape Breton–The Sydneys) — Malhi — Maloney — Marchi — Massé — McCormick — McGuire — McLaughlin — McTeague — McWhinney — Minna — Mitchell — Murphy — Murray — Nault — O’Reilly — Pagtakhan — Parrish — Patry — Peric — Peterson — Phinney — Pickard (Essex–Kent) — Pillitteri — Proud — Reed — Regan — Richardson — Robichaud — Scott (Fredericton–York–Sunbury) — Serré — Sheridan — Simmons — Steckle — Stewart (Brant) — Szabo — Telegdi — Thalheimer — Torsney — Valeri — Verran — Walker — Wayne — Whelan — Wood — Zed --112

Nays — Contre

Members — Députés

Abbott — Asselin — Bélisle — Bellehumeur — Bergeron — Bernier (Gaspé) — Bernier (Mégantic–Compton–Stanstead) — Breitkreuz (Yorkton–Melville) — Chrétien (Frontenac) — Crête — Cummins — Dalphond-Guiral — de Savoye — Debien — Deshaies — Dumas — Epp — Fillion — Forseth — Frazer — Gouk — Grey (Beaver River) — Grubel — Guay — Guimond — Hanger — Harper (Simcoe Centre) — Hart — Hill (Macleod) — Jacob — Lalonde — Landry — Langlois — Laurin — Lebel — Leroux (Richmond–Wolfe) — Leroux (Shefford) — Mayfield — McClelland (Edmonton Southwest) — Meredith — Morrison — Nunez — Plamondon — Pomerleau — Rocheleau — Sauvageau — Silye — Speaker — Strahl — Tremblay (Rimouski–Témiscouata) — Venne — White (North Vancouver) — Williams --53

Paired Members — Députés « Pairés »

Bakopanos — Boudria — Brien — Brown (Oakville–Milton) — Calder — Collins — Daviault — Dubé — Duceppe — Easter — Gagnon (Québec) — Goodale — Lastewka — LeBlanc (Cape Breton Highlands–Canso) — Lefebvre — Loubier — McKinnon — Ménard — Mercier — Paré — Picard (Drummond) — Tremblay (Rosemont) — Ur — Vanclief

Accordingly, the question was not put on Motions Nos. 14 and 15.

Group No. 7

The House proceeded to the taking of the deferred recorded division on Motion No. 17 of Mr. Arseneault (Parliamentary Secretary to the Deputy Prime Minister and Minister of Canadian Heritage), seconded by Mr. Lincoln (Lachine–Lac Saint-Louis), — That Bill C–32, in Clause 18, be amended by

  1. replacing lines 12 to 19 on page 40 with the following:
    “copyright for a programming undertaking to fix or reproduce in accordance with this section a performer’s performance or work, other than a cinematographic work, that is performed live or a sound recording that is performed at the same time as the performer’s performance or work, if the undertaking”
  2. replacing lines 25 to 32 on page 40 with the following:
     
     
    “itself, for its own broadcasts;
    (c)
    does not synchronize the fixation or reproduction with all or part of another recording, performer’s performance or work; and
    (d)
    does not cause the fixation or reproduction to be used in an advertisement intended to sell or promote, as the case may be, a product, service, cause or institution.
    (2)
    The programming undertaking must record the dates of the making and destruction of all fixations and reproductions and any other prescribed information about the fixation or reproduction, and keep the record current.”
  3. replacing lines 37 to 40 on page 41 with the following:
    “ing meets the conditions set out in subsection (1) and is part of a prescribed network that includes the programming undertaking.”
  4. adding after line 8 on page 42 the following:
     
    “(11)
    In this section, “programming undertaking” means
    (a)
    a programming undertaking as defined in the Broadcasting Act;
    (b)
    a programming undertaking described in paragraph (a) that originates programs within a network, as defined in the Broadcasting Act; or
    (c)
    a distribution undertaking as defined in the Broadcasting Act, in respect of the programs that it originates.
    The undertaking must hold a broadcasting licence issued by the Canadian Radio-television and Telecommunications Commission under the Broadcasting Act.
    30.9.
    (1)
    It is not an infringement of copyright for a broadcasting undertaking to reproduce in accordance with this section a sound recording, or a performer’s performance or work that is embodied in a sound recording, solely for the purpose of transferring it to a format appropriate for broadcasting, if the undertaking
    (a)
    owns the copy of the sound recording, performer’s performance or work and that copy is authorized by the owner of the copyright;
    (b)
    is authorized to communicate the sound recording, performer’s performance or work to the public by telecommunication;
    (c)
    makes the reproduction itself, for its own broadcasts;
    (d)
    does not synchronize the reproduction with all or part of another recording, performer’s performance or work; and
    (e)
    does not cause the reproduction to be used in an advertisement intended to sell or promote, as the case may be, a product, service, cause or institution.
    (2)
    The broadcasting undertaking must record the dates of the making and destruction of all reproductions and any other prescribed information about the reproduction, and keep the record current.
    (3)
    The broadcasting undertaking must make the record referred to in subsection (2) available to owners of copyright in the sound recordings, performer’s performances or works, or their representatives, within twenty-four hours after receiving a request.
    (4)
    The broadcasting undertaking must destroy the reproduction when it no longer possesses the sound recording or performer’s performance or work embodied in the sound recording, or at the latest within thirty days after making the reproduction, unless the copyright owner authorizes the reproduction to be retained.
    (5)
    If the copyright owner authorizes the reproduction to be retained, the broadcasting undertaking must pay any applicable royalty.
    (6)
    This section does not apply if a licence is available from a collective society to reproduce the sound recording, performer’s performance or work.
    (7)
    In this section, “broadcasting undertaking” means a broadcasting undertaking as defined in the Broadcasting Act that holds a broadcasting licence issued by the Canadian Radio-television and Telecommunications Commission under that Act.”

The question was put on Motion No. 17 and it was agreed to on the following division:

YEAS: 142, NAYS: 23. (See list under Division No. 261)

Accordingly, the question was not put on Motions Nos. 19, 20 and 33.

The House proceeded to the taking of the deferred recorded division on Motion No. 24 of Mrs. Chamberlain (Guelph–Wellington), seconded by Mrs. Ur (Lambton–Middlesex), — That Bill C–32, in Clause 18, be amended by replacing line 3 on page 41 with the following:

“sixty days after the first broadcast of the fixation or reproduction, unless”

The question was put on Motion No. 24 and it was negatived on the following division:

(Division — Vote No 267)

Yeas — Pour

Members — Députés

Althouse — Blaikie — Chamberlain — de Jong — McLaughlin — Peric — Telegdi — Wayne --8

Nays — Contre

Members — Députés

Abbott — Anderson — Arseneault — Assadourian — Asselin — Augustine — Barnes — Beaumier — Bélair — Bélanger — Bélisle — Bellehumeur — Bellemare — Bergeron — Bernier (Gaspé) — Bernier (Mégantic–Compton–Stanstead) — Bethel — Bhaduria — Blondin-Andrew — Bodnar — Bonin — Breitkreuz (Yorkton–Melville) — Brushett — Caccia — Campbell — Catterall — Cauchon — Chrétien (Frontenac) — Cohen — Collenette — Copps — Crête — Culbert — Cullen — Cummins — Dalphond-Guiral — de Savoye — Debien — Deshaies — DeVillers — Dingwall — Dion — Dromisky — Duhamel — Dumas — Dupuy — English — Epp — Fewchuk — Fillion — Finestone — Flis — Fontana — Forseth — Frazer — Fry — Gaffney — Gagliano — Gallaway — Gerrard — Godfrey — Gouk — Graham — Grey (Beaver River) — Grose — Grubel — Guarnieri — Guay — Guimond — Hanger — Harb — Harper (Churchill) — Harper (Simcoe Centre) — Hart — Harvard — Hickey — Hill (Macleod) — Hopkins — Hubbard — Ianno — Iftody — Irwin — Jackson — Jacob — Jordan — Kilger (Stormont–Dundas) — Kirkby — Knutson — Kraft Sloan — Lalonde — Landry — Langlois — Laurin — Lebel — Lee — Leroux (Richmond–Wolfe) — Leroux (Shefford) — Lincoln — MacLellan (Cape Breton–The Sydneys) — Malhi — Maloney — Marchi — Massé — Mayfield — McClelland (Edmonton Southwest) — McCormick — McGuire — McTeague — McWhinney — Meredith — Minna — Mitchell — Morrison — Murphy — Murray — Nault — Nunez — O’Reilly — Pagtakhan — Parrish — Patry — Peterson — Phinney — Pickard (Essex–Kent) — Pillitteri — Plamondon — Pomerleau — Proud — Reed — Regan — Richardson — Robichaud — Rocheleau — Sauvageau — Scott (Fredericton–York–Sunbury) — Serré — Sheridan — Silye — Simmons — Speaker — Steckle — Stewart (Brant) — Strahl — Szabo — Thalheimer — Torsney — Tremblay (Rimouski–Témiscouata) — Valeri — Venne — Verran — Walker — Whelan — White (North Vancouver) — Williams — Wood — Zed --156

Paired Members — Députés « Pairés »

Bakopanos — Boudria — Brien — Brown (Oakville–Milton) — Calder — Collins — Daviault — Dubé — Duceppe — Easter — Gagnon (Québec) — Goodale — Lastewka — LeBlanc (Cape Breton Highlands–Canso) — Lefebvre — Loubier — McKinnon — Ménard — Mercier — Paré — Picard (Drummond) — Tremblay (Rosemont) — Ur — Vanclief

The House proceeded to the putting of the question on Motion No. 25 of Mr. Abbott (Kootenay East), seconded by Mr. Strahl (Fraser Valley East), — That Bill C–32, in Clause 18, be amended by replacing line 3 on page 41 with the following:

“six months after making it, unless”

The question was put on Motion No. 25 and it was negatived on the following division:

YEAS: 23, NAYS: 142. (See list under Division No. 262)

The House proceeded to the taking of the deferred recorded division on Motion No. 26 of Mrs. Chamberlain (Guelph–Wellington), seconded by Mrs. Ur (Lambton–Middlesex), — That Bill C–32, in Clause 18, be amended by replacing line 4 on page 41 with the following:

“(a) the copyright owner or that owner’s representative authorizes its“

The question was put on Motion No. 26 and it was negatived on the following division:

(Division — Vote No 268)

Yeas — Pour

Members — Députés

Abbott — Althouse — Bhaduria — Blaikie — Breitkreuz (Yorkton–Melville) — Chamberlain — Cummins — de Jong — Epp — Forseth — Frazer — Gouk — Grey (Beaver River) — Grubel — Hanger — Harper (Simcoe Centre) — Hart — Hill (Macleod) — Mayfield — McClelland (Edmonton Southwest) — McLaughlin — Meredith — Morrison — Silye — Speaker — Strahl — Wayne — White (North Vancouver) — Williams --29

Nays — Contre

Members — Députés

Anderson — Arseneault — Assadourian — Asselin — Augustine — Barnes — Beaumier — Bélair — Bélanger — Bélisle — Bellehumeur — Bellemare — Bergeron — Bernier (Gaspé) — Bernier (Mégantic–Compton–Stanstead) — Bethel — Blondin-Andrew — Bodnar — Bonin — Brushett — Caccia — Campbell — Catterall — Cauchon — Chrétien (Frontenac) — Cohen — Collenette — Copps — Crête — Culbert — Cullen — Dalphond-Guiral — de Savoye — Debien — Deshaies — DeVillers — Dingwall — Dion — Dromisky — Duhamel — Dumas — Dupuy — English — Fewchuk — Fillion — Finestone — Flis — Fontana — Fry — Gaffney — Gagliano — Gallaway — Gerrard — Godfrey — Graham — Grose — Guarnieri — Guay — Guimond — Harb — Harper (Churchill) — Harvard — Hickey — Hopkins — Hubbard — Ianno — Iftody — Irwin — Jackson — Jacob — Jordan — Kilger (Stormont–Dundas) — Kirkby — Knutson — Kraft Sloan — Lalonde — Landry — Langlois — Laurin — Lebel — Lee — Leroux (Richmond–Wolfe) — Leroux (Shefford) — Lincoln — MacLellan (Cape Breton–The Sydneys) — Malhi — Maloney — Marchi — Massé — McCormick — McGuire — McTeague — McWhinney — Minna — Mitchell — Murphy — Murray — Nault — Nunez — O’Reilly — Pagtakhan — Parrish — Patry — Peric — Peterson — Phinney — Pickard (Essex–Kent) — Pillitteri — Plamondon — Pomerleau — Proud — Reed — Regan — Richardson — Robichaud — Rocheleau — Sauvageau — Scott (Fredericton–York–Sunbury) — Serré — Sheridan — Simmons — Steckle — Stewart (Brant) — Szabo — Telegdi — Thalheimer — Torsney — Tremblay (Rimouski–Témiscouata) — Valeri — Venne — Verran — Walker — Whelan — Wood — Zed --135

Paired Members — Députés « Pairés »

Bakopanos — Boudria — Brien — Brown (Oakville–Milton) — Calder — Collins — Daviault — Dubé — Duceppe — Easter — Gagnon (Québec) — Goodale — Lastewka — LeBlanc (Cape Breton Highlands–Canso) — Lefebvre — Loubier — McKinnon — Ménard — Mercier — Paré — Picard (Drummond) — Tremblay (Rosemont) — Ur — Vanclief

The House proceeded to the taking of the deferred recorded division on Motion No. 27 of Mrs. Chamberlain (Guelph–Wellington), seconded by Mrs. Ur (Lambton–Middlesex), — That Bill C–32, in Clause 18, be amended by deleting lines 8 to 11 on page 41.

The question was put on Motion No. 27 and it was negatived on the following division:

(Division — Vote No 269)

Yeas — Pour

Members — Députés

Abbott — Althouse — Bhaduria — Blaikie — Breitkreuz (Yorkton–Melville) — Cummins — de Jong — Epp — Forseth — Frazer — Gouk — Grey (Beaver River) — Grubel — Hanger — Harper (Simcoe Centre) — Hart — Hill (Macleod) — Mayfield — McClelland (Edmonton Southwest) — McLaughlin — Meredith — Morrison — Silye — Speaker — Strahl — Wayne — White (North Vancouver) — Williams --28

Nays — Contre

Members — Députés

Anderson — Arseneault — Assadourian — Asselin — Augustine — Barnes — Beaumier — Bélair — Bélanger — Bélisle — Bellehumeur — Bellemare — Bergeron — Bernier (Gaspé) — Bernier (Mégantic–Compton–Stanstead) — Bethel — Blondin-Andrew — Bodnar — Bonin — Brushett — Caccia — Campbell — Catterall — Cauchon — Chamberlain — Chrétien (Frontenac) — Cohen — Collenette — Copps — Crête — Culbert — Cullen — Dalphond-Guiral — de Savoye — Debien — Deshaies — DeVillers — Dingwall — Dion — Dromisky — Duhamel — Dumas — Dupuy — English — Fewchuk — Fillion — Finestone — Flis — Fontana — Fry — Gaffney — Gagliano — Gallaway — Gerrard — Godfrey — Graham — Grose — Guarnieri — Guay — Guimond — Harb — Harper (Churchill) — Harvard — Hickey — Hopkins — Hubbard — Ianno — Iftody — Irwin — Jackson — Jacob — Jordan — Kilger (Stormont–Dundas) — Kirkby — Knutson — Kraft Sloan — Lalonde — Landry — Langlois — Laurin — Lebel — Lee — Leroux (Richmond–Wolfe) — Leroux (Shefford) — Lincoln — MacLellan (Cape Breton–The Sydneys) — Malhi — Maloney — Marchi — Massé — McCormick — McGuire — McTeague — McWhinney — Minna — Mitchell — Murphy — Murray — Nault — Nunez — O’Reilly — Pagtakhan — Parrish — Patry — Peric — Peterson — Phinney — Pickard (Essex–Kent) — Pillitteri — Plamondon — Pomerleau — Proud — Reed — Regan — Richardson — Robichaud — Rocheleau — Sauvageau — Scott (Fredericton–York–Sunbury) — Serré — Sheridan — Simmons — Steckle — Stewart (Brant) — Szabo — Telegdi — Thalheimer — Torsney — Tremblay (Rimouski–Témiscouata) — Valeri — Venne — Verran — Walker — Whelan — Wood — Zed --136

Paired Members — Députés « Pairés »

Bakopanos — Boudria — Brien — Brown (Oakville–Milton) — Calder — Collins — Daviault — Dubé — Duceppe — Easter — Gagnon (Québec) — Goodale — Lastewka — LeBlanc (Cape Breton Highlands–Canso) — Lefebvre — Loubier — McKinnon — Ménard — Mercier — Paré — Picard (Drummond) — Tremblay (Rosemont) — Ur — Vanclief

The House proceeded to the putting of the question on Motion No. 28 of Mr. Abbott (Kootenay East), seconded by Mr. Strahl (Fraser Valley East), — That Bill C–32, in Clause 18, be amended by replacing line 10 on page 41 with the following:

“after the six months, the programming under-”

The question was put on Motion No. 28 and it was negatived on the following division:

YEAS: 23, NAYS: 142. (See list under Division No. 262)

The House proceeded to the taking of the deferred recorded division on Motion No. 29 of Mrs. Chamberlain (Guelph–Wellington), seconded by Mrs. Ur (Lambton–Middlesex), — That Bill C–32, in Clause 18, be amended by replacing lines 14 to 16 on page 41 with the following:

“exceptional documentary character, the undertaking may deposit it in an archive and”

The question was put on Motion No. 29 and it was negatived on the following division:

YEAS: 8, NAYS: 156. (See list under Division No. 267)

Accordingly, Motion No. 30 was also negatived on the same division.

The House proceeded to the taking of the deferred recorded division on Motion No. 31 of Mrs. Chamberlain (Guelph–Wellington), seconded by Mrs. Ur (Lambton–Middlesex), — That Bill C–32, in Clause 18, be amended by deleting lines 25 to 29 on page 41.

The question was put on Motion No. 31 and it was negatived on the following division:

YEAS: 23, NAYS: 142. (See list under Division No. 262)

The House proceeded to the putting of the question on Motion No. 32 of Mr. Leroux (Richmond–Wolfe), seconded by Mrs. Dalphond-Guiral (Laval Centre), — That Bill C–32, in Clause 18, be amended by replacing lines 25 to 29 on page 41 with the following:

 
“(8)
This section does not apply where a collective society is authorized to grant a licence to the programming undertaking to make the fixation or reproduction of the performer’s performance, work or sound recording.”

The question was put on Motion No. 32 and it was negatived on the following division:

YEAS: 35, NAYS: 130. (See list under Division No. 265)

The House proceeded to the taking of the deferred recorded division on Motion No. 34 of Mrs. Chamberlain (Guelph–Wellington), seconded by Mrs. Ur (Lambton–Middlesex), — That Bill C–32, in Clause 18, be amended by replacing lines 5 to 8 on page 42 with the following:

 
“(5)
and
(b)
within sixty days after the day on which the broadcasting undertaking first broadcasts the fixation or reproduction.”

The question was put on Motion No. 34 and it was negatived on the following division:

YEAS: 8, NAYS: 156. (See list under Division No. 267)

The House proceeded to the putting of the question on Motion No. 35 of Mr. Abbott (Kootenay East), seconded by Mr. Strahl (Fraser Valley East), — That Bill C–32, in Clause 18, be amended by replacing line 6 on page 42 with the following:

“(b) within six months after the day on which “

The question was put on Motion No. 35 and it was negatived on the following division:

YEAS: 23, NAYS: 142. (See list under Division No. 262)

The House proceeded to the taking of the deferred recorded division on Motion No. 36 of Mrs. Chamberlain (Guelph–Wellington), seconded by Mrs. Ur (Lambton–Middlesex), — That Bill C–32, in Clause 18, be amended by adding after line 8 on page 42 the following:

“30.9.
(1)
Notwithstanding any other provision in this Act, there is deemed to have been no infringement of copyright where a broadcasting undertaking, within the meaning of the Broadcasting Act, on or after August 16, 1990, but before the coming into force of section 30.8, fixed or reproduced a performer’s performance or work, other than a cinematographic work or sound recording, if the undertaking
(a)
was authorized to communicate the performer’s performance, work or sound recording to the public by telecommunication;
(b)
made the fixation or the reproduction itself, for its own broadcasts; and
(c)
did not use the fixation or reproduction to promote a commercial product or service.
(2)
For greater certainty, paragraph (1)(a) applies in respect of any proceeding commenced on or after August 16, 1990, but not concluded before the coming into force of section 30.8, and paragraph (1)(b) does not affect any proceeding commenced on or after August 16, 1990, but concluded before the coming into force of section 30.8, or any order made pursuant to that proceeding.”

The question was put on Motion No. 36 and it was negatived on the following division:

(Division — Vote No 270)

Yeas — Pour

Members — Députés

Bhaduria — Chamberlain — Wayne --3

Nays — Contre

Members — Députés

Abbott — Althouse — Anderson — Arseneault — Assadourian — Asselin — Augustine — Barnes — Beaumier — Bélair — Bélanger — Bélisle — Bellehumeur — Bellemare — Bergeron — Bernier (Gaspé) — Bernier (Mégantic–Compton–Stanstead) — Bethel — Blaikie — Blondin-Andrew — Bodnar — Bonin — Breitkreuz (Yorkton–Melville) — Brushett — Caccia — Campbell — Catterall — Cauchon — Chrétien (Frontenac) — Cohen — Collenette — Copps — Crête — Culbert — Cullen — Cummins — Dalphond-Guiral — de Jong — de Savoye — Debien — Deshaies — DeVillers — Dingwall — Dion — Dromisky — Duhamel — Dumas — Dupuy — English — Epp — Fewchuk — Fillion — Finestone — Flis — Fontana — Forseth — Frazer — Fry — Gaffney — Gagliano — Gallaway — Gerrard — Godfrey — Gouk — Graham — Grey (Beaver River) — Grose — Grubel — Guarnieri — Guay — Guimond — Hanger — Harb — Harper (Churchill) — Harper (Simcoe Centre) — Hart — Harvard — Hickey — Hill (Macleod) — Hopkins — Hubbard — Ianno — Iftody — Irwin — Jackson — Jacob — Jordan — Kilger (Stormont–Dundas) — Kirkby — Knutson — Kraft Sloan — Lalonde — Landry — Langlois — Laurin — Lebel — Lee — Leroux (Richmond–Wolfe) — Leroux (Shefford) — Lincoln — MacLellan (Cape Breton–The Sydneys) — Malhi — Maloney — Marchi — Massé — Mayfield — McClelland (Edmonton Southwest) — McCormick — McGuire — McLaughlin — McTeague — McWhinney — Meredith — Minna — Mitchell — Morrison — Murphy — Murray — Nault — Nunez — O’Reilly — Pagtakhan — Parrish — Patry — Peric — Peterson — Phinney — Pickard (Essex–Kent) — Pillitteri — Plamondon — Pomerleau — Proud — Reed — Regan — Richardson — Robichaud — Rocheleau — Sauvageau — Scott (Fredericton–York–Sunbury) — Serré — Sheridan — Silye — Simmons — Speaker — Steckle — Stewart (Brant) — Strahl — Szabo — Telegdi — Thalheimer — Torsney — Tremblay (Rimouski–Témiscouata) — Valeri — Venne — Verran — Walker — Whelan — White (North Vancouver) — Williams — Wood — Zed --161

Paired Members — Députés « Pairés »

Bakopanos — Boudria — Brien — Brown (Oakville–Milton) — Calder — Collins — Daviault — Dubé — Duceppe — Easter — Gagnon (Québec) — Goodale — Lastewka — LeBlanc (Cape Breton Highlands–Canso) — Lefebvre — Loubier — McKinnon — Ménard — Mercier — Paré — Picard (Drummond) — Tremblay (Rosemont) — Ur — Vanclief

Accordingly, Motion No. 58 was also negatived on the same division.

The House proceeded to the taking of the deferred recorded division on Motion No. 37 of Mrs. Chamberlain (Guelph–Wellington), seconded by Mrs. Ur (Lambton–Middlesex), — That Bill C–32, in Clause 18, be amended by adding after line 8 on page 42 the following:

“30.9.
It is not an infringement of copyright for any broadcaster to reproduce any work, performer’s performance or sound recording that it is legally entitled to broadcast solely for the purposes of transferring that work, performer’s performance or sound recording to a technical format that is appropriate for the purposes of its broadcasts, provided that all such reproductions shall be destroyed immediately when the broadcaster ceases to be legally entitled to broadcast the work or other subject-matter.
  30.10.
(1)
Notwithstanding any other provision in this Act, there is deemed to have been no infringement of copyright where a broadcaster, on or after August 16, 1990 but before the coming into force of section 30.9, reproduced any work, performer’s performance or sound recording that it was legally entitled to broadcast solely for the purposes of transferring that work, performer’s performance or sound recording to a technical format that was appropriate for the purposes of its broadcasts, provided that all such reproductions shall be destroyed immediately after the day section 30.9 comes into force where the broadcaster on or before that day ceases to be legally entitled to broadcast the work or other subject-matter.
(2)
For greater certainty, subsection (1)
(a)
applies in respect of any proceeding commenced on or after August 16, 1990, but not concluded before the coming into force of section 30.8; and
(b)
does not affect any proceeding commenced on or after August 16, 1990, but concluded before the coming into force of section 30.8, or any order made pursuant to that proceeding.”

The question was put on Motion No. 37 and it was negatived on the following division:

YEAS: 3, NAYS: 161. (See list under Division No. 270)

Accordingly, Motion No. 59 was also negatived on the same division.

The House proceeded to the putting of the question on Motion No. 38 of Mr. Abbott (Kootenay East), seconded by Mr. Strahl (Fraser Valley East), — That Bill C–32, in Clause 18, be amended by adding after line 8 on page 42 the following:

“30.9.
It is not an infringement of copyright for any broadcaster to
(a)
reproduce any work or other subject-matter that it is legally entitled to broadcast, where it does so for the purposes of transferring that work or other subject-matter to a technical format that is appropriate for the purposes of its broadcasts, providing that the reproduction:
(i)
is essential for the compatibility of the broadcast medium,
(ii)
is used solely to facilitate the day-to-day operations of the broadcaster, and
(iii)
is, when the broadcaster ceases to be legally entitled to broadcast the work or other subject-matter, immediately destroyed by the broadcaster; or
(b)
make a single reproduction for backup purposes of any work or other subject-matter reproduced under paragraph (a), providing the reproduction for backup purposes is destroyed by the broadcaster immediately following the broadcast of the original subject-matter for which a backup was made.”

The question was put on Motion No. 38 and it was negatived on the following division:

YEAS: 23, NAYS: 142. (See list under Division No. 262)

Group No. 8

The House proceeded to the taking of the deferred recorded division on Motion No. 40 of Mr. Abbott (Kootenay East), seconded by Mr. Strahl (Fraser Valley East), — That Bill C–32, in Clause 19, be amended by deleting lines 1 to 28 on page 46.

The question was put on Motion No. 40 and it was negatived on the following division:

YEAS: 23, NAYS: 142. (See list under Division No. 262)

The House proceeded to the taking of the deferred recorded division on Motion No. 41 of Mr. Abbott (Kootenay East), seconded by Mr. Strahl (Fraser Valley East), — That Bill C–32, in Clause 19, be amended by deleting lines 29 to 41 on page 46, and lines 1 to 17 on page 47.

The question was put on Motion No. 41 and it was negatived on the following division:

YEAS: 23, NAYS: 142. (See list under Division No. 262)

Group No. 9

The House proceeded to the taking of the deferred recorded division on Motion No. 45 of Mr. Leroux (Richmond–Wolfe), seconded by Mrs. Dalphond-Guiral (Laval Centre), — That Bill C–32 be amended by deleting Clause 44.

The question was put on Motion No. 45 and it was negatived on the following division:

(Division — Vote No 271)

Yeas — Pour

Members — Députés

Abbott — Althouse — Asselin — Bélisle — Bellehumeur — Bergeron — Bernier (Gaspé) — Bernier (Mégantic–Compton–Stanstead) — Blaikie — Breitkreuz (Yorkton–Melville) — Chrétien (Frontenac) — Crête — Cummins — Dalphond-Guiral — de Jong — de Savoye — Debien — Deshaies — Dumas — Epp — Fillion — Forseth — Frazer — Gouk — Grey (Beaver River) — Grubel — Guay — Guimond — Hanger — Harper (Simcoe Centre) — Hart — Hill (Macleod) — Jacob — Lalonde — Landry — Langlois — Laurin — Lebel — Leroux (Richmond–Wolfe) — Leroux (Shefford) — Mayfield — McClelland (Edmonton Southwest) — McLaughlin — Meredith — Morrison — Nunez — Plamondon — Pomerleau — Rocheleau — Sauvageau — Silye — Speaker — Strahl — Tremblay (Rimouski–Témiscouata) — Venne — Wayne — White (North Vancouver) — Williams --58

Nays — Contre

Members — Députés

Anderson — Arseneault — Assadourian — Augustine — Barnes — Beaumier — Bélair — Bélanger — Bellemare — Bethel — Bhaduria — Blondin-Andrew — Bodnar — Bonin — Brushett — Caccia — Catterall — Cauchon — Chamberlain — Cohen — Collenette — Copps — Culbert — Cullen — DeVillers — Dingwall — Dion — Dromisky — Duhamel — Dupuy — English — Fewchuk — Finestone — Flis — Fontana — Fry — Gaffney — Gagliano — Gallaway — Gerrard — Godfrey — Graham — Grose — Guarnieri — Harb — Harper (Churchill) — Harvard — Hickey — Hopkins — Hubbard — Ianno — Iftody — Irwin — Jackson — Jordan — Kilger (Stormont–Dundas) — Kirkby — Knutson — Kraft Sloan — Lee — Lincoln — MacLellan (Cape Breton–The Sydneys) — Malhi — Maloney — Marchi — Massé — McCormick — McGuire — McTeague — McWhinney — Minna — Mitchell — Murphy — Murray — Nault — O’Reilly — Pagtakhan — Parrish — Patry — Peric — Peterson — Phinney — Pillitteri — Proud — Reed — Regan — Richardson — Robichaud — Scott (Fredericton–York–Sunbury) — Serré — Sheridan — Simmons — Steckle — Stewart (Brant) — Szabo — Telegdi — Thalheimer — Torsney — Valeri — Verran — Walker — Whelan — Wood — Zed --104

Paired Members — Députés « Pairés »

Bakopanos — Boudria — Brien — Brown (Oakville–Milton) — Calder — Collins — Daviault — Dubé — Duceppe — Easter — Gagnon (Québec) — Goodale — Lastewka — LeBlanc (Cape Breton Highlands–Canso) — Lefebvre — Loubier — McKinnon — Ménard — Mercier — Paré — Picard (Drummond) — Tremblay (Rosemont) — Ur — Vanclief

Group No. 10

The House proceeded to the taking of the deferred recorded division on Motion No. 55 of Mr. Abbott (Kootenay East), seconded by Mr. Strahl (Fraser Valley East), — That Bill C–32, in Clause 50, be amended by deleting lines 21 to 38 on page 82, 1 to 47 on page 83, 1 to 41 on page 84, 1 to 46 on page 85, 1 to 44 on page 86, 1 to 44 on page 87, 1 to 46 on page 88, 1 to 46 on page 89, 1 to 42 on page 90 and 1 to 34 on page 91.

The question was put on Motion No. 55 and it was negatived on the following division:

YEAS: 23, NAYS: 142. (See list under Division No. 262)

Ms. Copps (Minister of Canadian Heritage), seconded by Mr. Gagliano (Minister of Labour and Deputy Leader of the Government in the House of Commons), moved, — That Bill C–32, An Act to amend the Copyright Act, as amended, be concurred in at report stage with further amendments.

The question was put on the motion and it was agreed to on the following division:

(Division — Vote No 272)

Yeas — Pour

Members — Députés

Anderson — Arseneault — Assadourian — Asselin — Augustine — Barnes — Beaumier — Bélair — Bélanger — Bélisle — Bellehumeur — Bellemare — Bergeron — Bernier (Gaspé) — Bernier (Mégantic–Compton–Stanstead) — Bethel — Blondin-Andrew — Bodnar — Bonin — Brushett — Caccia — Catterall — Cauchon — Chamberlain — Chrétien (Frontenac) — Cohen — Collenette — Copps — Crête — Culbert — Cullen — Dalphond-Guiral — de Savoye — Debien — Deshaies — DeVillers — Dingwall — Dion — Dromisky — Duhamel — Dumas — Dupuy — English — Fewchuk — Fillion — Finestone — Flis — Fontana — Fry — Gaffney — Gagliano — Gallaway — Gerrard — Godfrey — Graham — Grose — Guarnieri — Guay — Guimond — Harb — Harper (Churchill) — Harvard — Hickey — Hopkins — Hubbard — Ianno — Iftody — Irwin — Jackson — Jacob — Jordan — Kilger (Stormont–Dundas) — Kirkby — Knutson — Kraft Sloan — Lalonde — Landry — Langlois — Laurin — Lebel — Lee — Leroux (Richmond–Wolfe) — Leroux (Shefford) — Lincoln — MacLellan (Cape Breton–The Sydneys) — Malhi — Maloney — Marchi — Massé — McCormick — McGuire — McTeague — McWhinney — Minna — Mitchell — Murphy — Murray — Nault — Nunez — O’Reilly — Pagtakhan — Parrish — Patry — Peric — Peterson — Phinney — Pillitteri — Plamondon — Pomerleau — Proud — Reed — Regan — Richardson — Robichaud — Rocheleau — Sauvageau — Scott (Fredericton–York–Sunbury) — Serré — Sheridan — Simmons — Steckle — Stewart (Brant) — Szabo — Telegdi — Thalheimer — Torsney — Tremblay (Rimouski–Témiscouata) — Valeri — Venne — Verran — Walker — Whelan — Wood — Zed --134

Nays — Contre

Members — Députés

Abbott — Althouse — Bhaduria — Blaikie — Breitkreuz (Yorkton–Melville) — Cummins — de Jong — Epp — Forseth — Frazer — Gouk — Grey (Beaver River) — Grubel — Hanger — Harper (Simcoe Centre) — Hart — Hill (Macleod) — Mayfield — McClelland (Edmonton Southwest) — McLaughlin — Meredith — Morrison — Silye — Speaker — Strahl — Wayne — White (North Vancouver) — Williams --28

Paired Members — Députés « Pairés »

Bakopanos — Boudria — Brien — Brown (Oakville–Milton) — Calder — Collins — Daviault — Dubé — Duceppe — Easter — Gagnon (Québec) — Goodale — Lastewka — LeBlanc (Cape Breton Highlands–Canso) — Lefebvre — Loubier — McKinnon — Ménard — Mercier — Paré — Picard (Drummond) — Tremblay (Rosemont) — Ur — Vanclief

Accordingly, the Bill, as amended, was concurred in at report stage with further amendments and ordered for a third reading at the next sitting of the House.

Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House

Pursuant to Standing Order 32(1), papers deposited with the Clerk of the House were laid upon the Table as follows:

by Mr. Anderson (Minister of Transport) — Report of the Canadian Coast Guard (Ship Safety) on exemptions issued to Masters, Mates and Engineers for the year 1996, pursuant to the Canada Shipping Act, R.S. 1985, c. S–9, sbs. 132(2). — Sessional Paper No. 8560-352-239A. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(5), permanently referred to the Standing Committee on Transport)

by Mr. Anderson (Minister of Transport) — Summaries of the Corporate Plans for 1997 to 2001 and of the Capital Budgets for 1997 of the Canada Ports Corporation, Halifax Port Corporation, Montréal Port Corporation, Prince Rupert Port Corporation, Port of Québec Corporation, Saint John Port Corporation, St. John’s Port Corporation and Vancouver Port Corporation, pursuant to the Financial Administration Act, R.S. 1985, c. F–11, sbs. 125(4). — Sessional Paper No. 8562-352-805A. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(5), permanently referred to the Standing Committee on Transport)

by Mr. Anderson (Minister of Transport) — Summaries of the amended Corporate Plan for 1996-2000 and Capital Budget for 1996 of the Port of Québec Corporation, pursuant to the Financial Administration Act, R. S. 1985, c. F–11, sbs. 125(4). — Sessional Paper No. 8562-352-805B. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(5), permanently referred to the Standing Committee on Transport)

by Mr. Anderson (Minister of Transport) — Summaries of the Corporate Plan for 1997 to 2001 and of the Operating and Capital Budgets for 1997 of Marine Atlantic Inc., and summaries of the Corporate Plans of its subsidiaries for 1997-2001, pursuant to the Financial Administration Act, R. S. 1985, c. F–11, sbs. 125(4). — Sessional Paper No. 8562-352-846A. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(5), permanently referred to the Standing Committee on Transport)

by Mr. Eggleton (Minister for International Trade) — Report of the Export Development Corporation, together with the Auditor General’s Report, for the financial year ended December 31, 1996, pursuant to the Financial Administration Act, R. S. 1985, c. F–11, sbs. 150(1). — Sessional Paper No. 8560-352-289A. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(5), permanently referred to the Standing Committee on Foreign Affairs and International Trade)

by Ms. Marleau (Minister of Public Works and Government Services) — Summaries of the Corporate Plan for 1997-2001 and of the Capital Budget for 1997 of the Royal Canadian Mint, pursuant to the Financial Administration Act, R. S. 1985, c. F–11, sbs. 125(4). — Sessional Paper No. 8562-352-810A. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(5), permanently referred to the Standing Committee on Government Operations)

by the Clerk of Petitions — 3rd Report, pursuant to Standing Order 131, which was as follows:

The Clerk of Petitions has the honour to report that the petition from the Bishop of the Arctic of the Church of England in Canada, praying for passage of a private Act, filed by Mr. Peterson on Thursday, March 13, 1997, meets the requirements of Standing Order 131.

Petitions Filed with the Clerk of the House

Pursuant to Standing Order 36, a petition certified correct by the Clerk of Petitions was filed as follows:

  • by Mrs. Chamberlain (Guelph–Wellington), concerning taxes on books (No. 352-1948).

Proceedings on Adjournment Motion

At 7:41 p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 38(1), the question “That this House do now adjourn" was deemed to have been proposed.

After debate, the question was deemed to have been adopted.

Adjournment

At 7:55 p.m., the Speaker adjourned the House until tomorrow at 10:00 a.m., pursuant to Standing Order 24(1).