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HOUSE OF COMMONS OF CANADA
35th PARLIAMENT, 2nd SESSION


JOURNALS

No. 109

Thursday, November 28, 1996

10:00 a.m.



PRAYERS

DAILY ROUTINE OF BUSINESS

Tabling of Documents

Pursuant to Standing Order 32(2), Mr. Zed (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons) laid upon the Table, -- Government responses, pursuant to Standing Order 36(8), to the following petitions: (1) Nos. 352-1165 and 352-1170 concerning the income tax system. -- Sessional Paper No. 8545-352-28Y; (2) Nos. 352-1244 to 352-1246 concerning profits from crime. -- Sessional Paper No. 8545-352-97H.


Mr. Zed (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons), seconded by Mr. Kilger (Stormont -- Dundas), moved, -- That the House do now proceed to the Orders of the Day.

The question was put on the motion and it was agreed to on the following division:



(Division--Vote No 187)

YEAS-POUR

Members--Députés

-- Alcock -- Allmand -- Arseneault -- Assadourian -- Augustine -- Axworthy --  (Winnipeg South Centre/Sud-Centre) -- Baker -- Bakopanos -- Barnes -- Bélair -- Bélanger -- Bellemare -- Bevilacqua -- Blondin-Andrew -- Boudria -- Brown --  (Oakville -- Milton) -- Brushett -- Bryden -- Byrne -- Calder -- Cannis -- Catterall -- Cauchon -- Chamberlain -- Cohen -- Collenette -- Cowling -- Crawford -- Culbert -- DeVillers -- Dhaliwal -- Dion -- Discepola -- Duhamel -- Easter -- English -- Finestone -- Flis -- Fontana -- Gaffney -- Gagliano -- Gagnon --  (Bonaventure -- Îles-de-la-Madeleine) -- Gallaway -- Goodale -- Graham -- Gray --  (Windsor West/Ouest) -- Grose -- Harb -- Hopkins -- Hubbard -- Jackson -- Keyes -- Kilger --  (Stormont -- Dundas) -- Kirkby -- Knutson -- Kraft Sloan -- Lastewka -- Lee -- Lincoln -- MacAulay -- MacLellan --  (Cape/Cap-Breton -- The Sydneys) -- Malhi -- Maloney -- Manley -- Marleau -- Massé -- McCormick -- McGuire -- McKinnon -- McLellan --  (Edmonton Northwest/Nord-Ouest) -- McTeague -- Minna -- Mitchell -- Murphy -- Murray -- Nault -- O'Brien --  (London -- Middlesex) -- O'Reilly -- Pagtakhan -- Paradis -- Parrish -- Patry -- Payne -- Peric -- Peters -- Peterson -- Pettigrew -- Pickard --  (Essex -- Kent) -- Pillitteri -- Reed -- Regan -- Richardson -- Rideout -- Robichaud -- Robillard -- Rock -- Scott --  (Fredericton -- York -- Sunbury) -- Serré -- Shepherd -- St. Denis -- Steckle -- Stewart --  (Brant) -- Szabo -- Telegdi -- Torsney -- Ur -- Valeri -- Vanclief -- Verran -- Volpe -- Walker -- Wappel -- Wells -- Whelan -- Zed -- 115

NAYS-CONTRE

Members--Députés

-- Abbott -- Ablonczy -- Asselin -- Bachand -- Bélisle -- Bellehumeur -- Benoit -- Bergeron -- Bernier --  (Gaspé) -- Bernier --  (Mégantic -- Compton -- Stanstead) -- Blaikie -- Brien -- Canuel -- Chatters -- Chrétien --  (Frontenac) -- Crête -- Dalphond-Guiral -- Daviault -- de Savoye -- Debien -- Deshaies -- Dubé -- Duceppe -- Duncan -- Epp -- Forseth -- Frazer -- Gagnon --  (Québec) -- Gauthier -- Gilmour -- Godin -- Gouk -- Grubel -- Guay -- Guimond -- Hanger -- Harper --  (Calgary West/Ouest) -- Harper --  (Simcoe Centre) -- Hayes -- Hermanson -- Hill --  (Macleod) -- Hill --  (Prince George -- Peace River) -- Jacob -- Johnston -- Kerpan -- Lalonde -- Landry -- Langlois -- Laurin -- Lavigne --  (Beauharnois -- Salaberry) -- Lebel -- Leblanc --  (Longueuil) -- Lefebvre -- Leroux --  (Richmond -- Wolfe) -- Loubier -- Manning -- Marchand -- Martin --  (Esquimalt -- Juan de Fuca) -- Ménard -- Mercier -- Morrison -- Nunez -- Paré -- Picard --  (Drummond) -- Ramsay -- Ringma -- Rocheleau -- Solberg -- Solomon -- Speaker -- St-Laurent -- Strahl -- Taylor -- Thompson -- Wayne -- White --  (Fraser Valley West/Ouest) -- White --  (North Vancouver) -- Williams -- 78

Paired Members--Députés Pairés

-- Caron -- Chan -- Clancy -- Dumas -- Dupuy -- Eggleton -- Fillion -- Iftody -- Leroux --  (Shefford) -- Loney -- MacDonald -- Pomerleau -- Sauvageau -- Speller -- Tremblay --  (Lac-Saint-Jean) -- Tremblay --  (Rimouski -- Témiscouata) -- Venne -- Young

GOVERNMENT ORDERS

Notice having been given at a previous sitting under the provisions of Standing Order 78(3), Mr. Gagliano (Minister of Labour and Deputy Leader of the Government in the House of Commons), seconded by Mr. Gray (Leader of the Government in the House of Commons and Solicitor General of Canada), moved, -- That in relation to Bill C-42, An Act to amend the Judges Act and to make consequential amendments to another Act, not more than one further sitting day shall be allotted to the stage of consideration of Senate amendments to the bill; and that, fifteen minutes before the expiry of the time provided for government business on the allotted day of the consideration of the said stage of the said bill, any proceedings before the House shall be interrupted, if required for the purpose of this Order, and in turn every question necessary for the disposal of the said stage of the bill shall be put forthwith and successively without further debate or amendment.

The question was put on the motion and it was agreed to on the following division:



(Division--Vote No 188)

YEAS-POUR

Members--Députés

-- Alcock -- Allmand -- Arseneault -- Assadourian -- Augustine -- Axworthy --  (Winnipeg South Centre/Sud-Centre) -- Baker -- Bakopanos -- Barnes -- Bélair -- Bélanger -- Bellemare -- Bevilacqua -- Blondin-Andrew -- Boudria -- Brown --  (Oakville -- Milton) -- Brushett -- Bryden -- Byrne -- Calder -- Cannis -- Catterall -- Cauchon -- Chamberlain -- Cohen -- Collenette -- Cowling -- Crawford -- Culbert -- DeVillers -- Dhaliwal -- Dion -- Discepola -- Duhamel -- Easter -- English -- Finestone -- Flis -- Fontana -- Gaffney -- Gagliano -- Gagnon --  (Bonaventure -- Îles-de-la-Madeleine) -- Gallaway -- Goodale -- Graham -- Gray --  (Windsor West/Ouest) -- Grose -- Harb -- Hopkins -- Hubbard -- Jackson -- Keyes -- Kilger --  (Stormont -- Dundas) -- Kirkby -- Knutson -- Kraft Sloan -- Lastewka -- Lee -- Lincoln -- MacAulay -- MacLellan --  (Cape/Cap-Breton -- The Sydneys) -- Malhi -- Maloney -- Manley -- Marleau -- Massé -- McCormick -- McGuire -- McKinnon -- McLellan --  (Edmonton Northwest/Nord-Ouest) -- McTeague -- Minna -- Mitchell -- Murphy -- Murray -- Nault -- O'Brien --  (London -- Middlesex) -- O'Reilly -- Pagtakhan -- Paradis -- Parrish -- Patry -- Payne -- Peric -- Peters -- Peterson -- Pettigrew -- Pickard --  (Essex -- Kent) -- Pillitteri -- Reed -- Regan -- Richardson -- Rideout -- Robichaud -- Robillard -- Rock -- Scott --  (Fredericton -- York -- Sunbury) -- Serré -- Shepherd -- St. Denis -- Steckle -- Stewart --  (Brant) -- Szabo -- Telegdi -- Torsney -- Ur -- Valeri -- Vanclief -- Verran -- Volpe -- Walker -- Wells -- Whelan -- Zed -- 114

NAYS-CONTRE

Members--Députés

-- Abbott -- Ablonczy -- Asselin -- Bachand -- Bélisle -- Bellehumeur -- Benoit -- Bergeron -- Bernier --  (Gaspé) -- Bernier --  (Mégantic -- Compton -- Stanstead) -- Blaikie -- Brien -- Canuel -- Chatters -- Chrétien --  (Frontenac) -- Crête -- Dalphond-Guiral -- Daviault -- de Savoye -- Debien -- Deshaies -- Dubé -- Duceppe -- Duncan -- Epp -- Forseth -- Frazer -- Gagnon --  (Québec) -- Gauthier -- Godin -- Gouk -- Grubel -- Guay -- Guimond -- Hanger -- Harper --  (Calgary West/Ouest) -- Harper --  (Simcoe Centre) -- Hayes -- Hermanson -- Hill --  (Macleod) -- Hill --  (Prince George -- Peace River) -- Jacob -- Johnston -- Kerpan -- Lalonde -- Landry -- Langlois -- Laurin -- Lavigne --  (Beauharnois -- Salaberry) -- Lebel -- Leblanc --  (Longueuil) -- Lefebvre -- Leroux --  (Richmond -- Wolfe) -- Loubier -- Marchand -- Martin --  (Esquimalt -- Juan de Fuca) -- Ménard -- Mercier -- Morrison -- Nunez -- Paré -- Ramsay -- Ringma -- Rocheleau -- Solberg -- Solomon -- Speaker -- St-Laurent -- Strahl -- Taylor -- Thompson -- Wayne -- White --  (Fraser Valley West/Ouest) -- White --  (North Vancouver) -- Williams -- 75

Paired Members--Députés Pairés

-- Bethel -- Caron -- Chan -- Clancy -- Dumas -- Dupuy -- Eggleton -- Fillion -- Iftody -- Leroux --  (Shefford) -- Loney -- MacDonald -- Picard --  (Drummond) -- Pomerleau -- Sauvageau -- Speller -- Tremblay --  (Lac-Saint-Jean) -- Tremblay --  (Rimouski -- Témiscouata) -- Venne -- Young


The House resumed consideration of the motion of Mr. Rock (Minister of Justice), seconded by Mr. Gerrard (Secretary of State (Science, Research and Development)(Western Economic Diversification)), -- That the amendments made by the Senate to Bill C-42, An Act to amend the Judges Act and to make consequential amendments to another Act, be now read a second time and concurred in;

And of the amendment of Mr. Ramsay (Crowfoot), seconded by Mr. Williams (St. Albert), -- That the motion be amended by deleting all the words after the word "That" and substituting the following: "a Message be sent to the Senate to acquaint their Honours that this House disagrees with amendment No. 1 made by the Senate to Bill C-42, An Act to amend the Judges Act and to make consequential amendments to another Act, and that this House agrees with the principles set out in amendment No. 2, but would propose the following amendments:

    (a) insert the words "for a period not to exceed 3 years" after the words "judicial duties" in section 56.1(1);
    (b) strike out all the lines in section 56.1(2) and substitute the following:
      "If Madam Justice Arbour elects to take leave pursuant to section 56.1(1) she may receive moving or transportation expenses and reasonable travel and other expenses, in connection with her services as Prosecutor, from the United Nations";
    (c) that the following words be added to section 56.1(3):
      "notwithstanding any prohibition against accepting any salary fee, remuneration or other emolument described in section 57"; and
    (d) that the following words be added to section 56.1(5):
      ``and that benefits payable under these sections will be paid or will commence to be paid at the expiration of the leave of absence without pay''.''

The debate continued.

WAYS AND MEANS

Mr. Martin (Minister of Finance) laid upon the Table, -- Notice of a Ways and Means motion to amend the Excise Tax Act, the Income Tax Act and the Customs Tariff. (Ways and Means Proceedings No. 11) -- Sessional Paper No. 8570-352-11.

Pursuant to Standing Order 83(2), at the request of Mr. Martin (Minister of Finance), an Order of the Day was designated for the consideration of this Ways and Means motion.

GOVERNMENT ORDERS

The House resumed consideration of the motion of Mr. Rock (Minister of Justice), seconded by Mr. Gerrard (Secretary of State (Science, Research and Development)(Western Economic Diversification)), -- That the amendments made by the Senate to Bill C-42, An Act to amend the Judges Act and to make consequential amendments to another Act, be now read a second time and concurred in;

And of the amendment of Mr. Ramsay (Crowfoot), seconded by Mr. Williams (St. Albert).

The debate continued.

STATEMENTS BY MEMBERS

Pursuant to Standing Order 31, Members made statements.

ORAL QUESTIONS

Pursuant to Standing Order 30(5), the House proceeded to Oral Questions.

GOVERNMENT ORDERS

The House resumed consideration of the motion of Mr. Rock (Minister of Justice), seconded by Mr. Gerrard (Secretary of State (Science, Research and Development)(Western Economic Diversification)), -- That the amendments made by the Senate to Bill C-42, An Act to amend the Judges Act and to make consequential amendments to another Act, be now read a second time and concurred in;

And of the amendment of Mr. Ramsay (Crowfoot), seconded by Mr. Williams (St. Albert).

The debate continued.

ROYAL ASSENT

The Speaker informed the House that the Honourable the Deputy Governor General will proceed to the Senate today at 6:00 p.m. for the purpose of giving the Royal Assent to certain Bills.

GOVERNMENT ORDERS

The House resumed consideration of the motion of Mr. Rock (Minister of Justice), seconded by Mr. Gerrard (Secretary of State (Science, Research and Development)(Western Economic Diversification)), -- That the amendments made by the Senate to Bill C-42, An Act to amend the Judges Act and to make consequential amendments to another Act, be now read a second time and concurred in;

And of the amendment of Mr. Ramsay (Crowfoot), seconded by Mr. Williams (St. Albert).

The debate continued.

At 5:18 p.m., pursuant to Order made earlier today under the provisions of Standing Order 78(3), the Speaker interrupted the proceedings.

The question was put on the amendment and it was negatived on division.

The question was put on the main motion and it was agreed to on the following division:



(Division--Vote No 189)

YEAS-POUR

Members--Députés

-- Assadourian -- Augustine -- Baker -- Bakopanos -- Barnes -- Bélanger -- Bellemare -- Bertrand -- Bevilacqua -- Blondin-Andrew -- Bodnar -- Boudria -- Brown --  (Calgary Southeast/Sud-Est) -- Brushett -- Bryden -- Byrne -- Calder -- Campbell -- Catterall -- Cauchon -- Cohen -- Copps -- Cowling -- Crawford -- Culbert -- Cullen -- DeVillers -- Dhaliwal -- Dion -- Discepola -- Easter -- English -- Finestone -- Finlay -- Flis -- Gaffney -- Gagnon --  (Bonaventure -- Îles-de-la-Madeleine) -- Gallaway -- Goodale -- Graham -- Grose -- Harb -- Hopkins -- Hubbard -- Jackson -- Keyes -- Kilger --  (Stormont -- Dundas) -- Kirkby -- Knutson -- Kraft Sloan -- Lastewka -- Lincoln -- MacAulay -- MacLellan --  (Cape/Cap-Breton -- The Sydneys) -- Malhi -- Maloney -- Marleau -- Martin --  (LaSalle -- Émard) -- Massé -- McCormick -- McGuire -- McKinnon -- McLellan --  (Edmonton Northwest/Nord-Ouest) -- McTeague -- Milliken -- Minna -- Mitchell -- Murphy -- Murray -- Nault -- O'Brien --  (London -- Middlesex) -- O'Reilly -- Pagtakhan -- Parrish -- Patry -- Payne -- Peric -- Peters -- Peterson -- Pettigrew -- Pickard --  (Essex -- Kent) -- Pillitteri -- Reed -- Regan -- Richardson -- Robichaud -- Rock -- Serré -- Simmons -- St. Denis -- Steckle -- Szabo -- Telegdi -- Torsney -- Ur -- Valeri -- Vanclief -- Verran -- Walker -- Wells -- Whelan -- Zed -- 102

NAYS-CONTRE

Members--Députés

-- Abbott -- Bélisle -- Bellehumeur -- Benoit -- Bergeron -- Bernier --  (Mégantic -- Compton -- Stanstead) -- Brien -- Canuel -- Chatters -- Crête -- Daviault -- de Savoye -- Debien -- Dubé -- Duceppe -- Duncan -- Epp -- Forseth -- Frazer -- Gauthier -- Godin -- Gouk -- Grubel -- Guay -- Hanger -- Harper --  (Calgary West/Ouest) -- Hill --  (Macleod) -- Hill --  (Prince George -- Peace River) -- Jacob -- Johnston -- Kerpan -- Lalonde -- Landry -- Laurin -- Lebel -- Leblanc --  (Longueuil) -- Leroux --  (Richmond -- Wolfe) -- Loubier -- Marchand -- Ménard -- Mercier -- Morrison -- Nunez -- Paré -- Ringma -- Solberg -- Speaker -- Strahl -- Taylor -- Thompson -- Williams -- 51

Paired Members--Députés Pairés

-- Alcock -- Anderson -- Asselin -- Bachand -- Bethel -- Caron -- Chan -- Clancy -- Dalphond-Guiral -- DeVillers -- Dumas -- Dupuy -- Eggleton -- Fillion -- Gagnon --  (Québec) -- Godfrey -- Guimond -- Iftody -- Leroux --  (Shefford) -- Loney -- MacDonald -- Phinney -- Picard --  (Drummond) -- Pomerleau -- Sauvageau -- Speller -- Tremblay --  (Lac-Saint-Jean) -- Tremblay --  (Rimouski -- Témiscouata) -- Venne -- Young

PRIVATE MEMBERS' BUSINESS

At 5:47 p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 30(7), the House proceeded to the consideration of Private Members' Business.

The Order was read for the second reading and reference to the Standing Committee on Finance of Bill C-335, An Act to amend the Bank Act (foreign banks).

Mr. Assadourian (Don Valley North), seconded by Ms. Augustine (Etobicoke -- Lakeshore), moved, -- That the Bill be now read a second time and referred to the Standing Committee on Finance.

Debate arose thereon.

MESSAGES FROM THE SENATE

A Message was received from the Senate as follows:

-- ORDERED: That a Message be sent to the House of Commons to acquaint that House that the Senate has passed Bill C-68, An Act for granting to Her Majesty certain sums of money for the public service of Canada for the financial year ending March 31, 1997.

ROYAL ASSENT

A Message was received from the honourable John Major, Puisne Judge of the Supreme Court of Canada, in his capacity as Deputy Governor General, desiring the immediate attendance of the House in the Senate.

Accordingly, the Speaker, with the House, proceeded to the Senate.

The Commons returned to the Chamber.

Whereupon, the Speaker reported that, when the Commons had been in the Senate, the Honourable the Deputy Governor General was pleased to give, in Her Majesty's name, the Royal Assent to the following Bills:

    Bill C-6, An Act to amend the Yukon Quartz Mining Act and the Yukon Placer Mining Act -- Chapter 27;
    Bill C-54, An Act to amend the Foreign Extraterritorial Measures Act -- Chapter 28;
    Bill C-42, An Act to amend the Judges Act and to make consequential amendments to another Act -- Chapter 30.

The Speaker also reported that he had addressed the Honourable the Deputy Governor General as follows:

    ``May it please Your Honour:
      The Commons of Canada have voted Supplies required to enable the Government to defray certain expenses of the public service.
      In the name of the Commons I present to Your Honour the following Bill:
      An Act for granting to Her Majesty certain sums of money for the public service of Canada for the financial year ending March 31, 1997
      To which Bill I humbly request Your Honour's Assent.''

Whereupon, the Clerk of the Senate, by Command of the Deputy the Governor General, did say:

      ``In Her Majesty's name, the Honourable the Deputy to His Excellency the Governor General thanks Her Loyal Subjects, accepts their benevolence, and assents to this Bill.''
      Bill C-68, An Act for granting to Her Majesty certain sums of money for the public service of Canada for the financial year ending March 31, 1997 (Appropriation Act No. 3, 1996-97) -- Chapter 29.

PRIVATE MEMBERS' BUSINESS

The House resumed consideration of the motion of Mr. Assadourian (Don Valley North), seconded by Ms. Augustine (Etobicoke -- Lakeshore), -- That Bill C-335, An Act to amend the Bank Act (foreign banks), be now read a second time and referred to the Standing Committee on Finance.

The debate continued.

Pursuant to Standing Order 96(1), the Order was dropped from the Order Paper.

By unanimous consent, the Order was read for the consideration at report stage of Bill C-270, An Act to amend the Financial Administration Act (session of Parliament), as reported by the Standing Committee on Procedure and House Affairs with an amendment.

Mr. Milliken (Kingston and the Islands), seconded by Mr. Cullen (Etobicoke North), moved, -- That the Bill, as amended, be concurred in at report stage.

The question was put on the motion and it was agreed to.

Accordingly, the Bill, as amended, was concurred in at report stage.

By unanimous consent, Mr. Milliken (Kingston and the Islands), seconded by Mr. Cullen (Etobicoke North), moved, -- That the Bill be now read a third time and do pass.

The question was put on the motion and it was agreed to.

Accordingly, the Bill was read the third time and passed.

RETURNS AND REPORTS DEPOSITED WITH THE CLERK OF THE HOUSE

Pursuant to Standing Order 32(1), a paper deposited with the Clerk of the House was laid upon the Table as follows:

-- by Mr. Axworthy (Minister of Foreign Affairs) -- Report of Operations under the Export and Import Permits Act for the year 1995, pursuant to the Export and Import Permits Act, R. S. 1985, c. E-19, s. 27. -- Sessional Paper No. 8560-352-137. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(5), permanently referred to the Standing Committee on Foreign Affairs and International Trade)

PETITIONS FILED WITH THE CLERK OF THE HOUSE

Pursuant to Standing Order 36, petitions certified correct by the Clerk of Petitions were filed as follows:

-- by Mr. Nault (Kenora -- Rainy River), three concerning taxes on books (Nos. 352-1310 to 352-1312);

-- by Mr. Fontana (London East), one concerning the highway system (No. 352-1313), one concerning profits from crime (No. 352-1314), one concerning sexual orientation (No. 352-1315) and one concerning material depicting violence (No. 352-1316);

-- by Mr. Milliken (Kingston and the Islands), one concerning the highway system (No. 352-1317).

ADJOURNMENT

At 7:00 p.m., the Speaker adjourned the House until tomorrow at 10:00 a.m., pursuant to Standing Order 24(1).